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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
March 01 2009 20:53 GMT
#1981
On March 02 2009 05:45 Instigata wrote:
when bisu held off who had the advantage before he let the next big wave or zerglings in again? they showed his base and jaedong had no drones at his base. if bisu didnt let that second big wave in, was he ahead?

yeah, bc that is basically an allin imo.
Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-01 21:07:37
March 01 2009 21:07 GMT
#1982
[image loading]


lol
IMBA
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
March 01 2009 21:10 GMT
#1983
can someone translate each rating?
SC2 was doomed from the start.
Spinlock
Profile Joined December 2008
United States59 Posts
March 01 2009 21:11 GMT
#1984
On March 02 2009 05:45 Instigata wrote:
when bisu held off who had the advantage before he let the next big wave or zerglings in again? they showed his base and jaedong had no drones at his base. if bisu didnt let that second big wave in, was he ahead?

IIRC, only 1 of the lings got past the 2 zealots yet that combined with the 2 or 3 lings already in the base killed all the zealots. So I don't think the second wave could have been prevented...
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
March 01 2009 21:12 GMT
#1985
First 3 are Offense, Defense, and Macro, last one is "star power." I forget what the rest of them are.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-01 21:30:09
March 01 2009 21:17 GMT
#1986
On March 02 2009 06:07 Cadical wrote:
[image loading]


lol


Oh how I love watching people eat humble pie.

I had a few buddies over and we streamed the games onto my 42 or so inch tv. Next season I'm definitely paying for the high definition content.

Overall, fantastic series, the first 4 games really made jaedong feel like the underdog and I was the only zerg supporter out of all my friends; added to the overall tension. I'm glad Jaedong won, but I wish it wasn't because of such a rediculous mistake. I mean come on, letting 6 lings get past a double lot+probe ramp block? Huge rookie mistake, it's going to eat up Bisu for a long time - it isn't quite the rape bisu gave savior before his slump, but I have a feeling it will affect bisu's current aura of invulnerability.

EDIT:
I just had to add, I think it was game 2 that had the biggest LoL moment when tasteless yelled out "OMG, somebody call the police! There's a rape in progress!".
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
March 01 2009 21:22 GMT
#1987
When the second wave came, Bisu was too busy chasing the zerglings already in the base around to stop the second wave from getting in. For the final wave, the ramp had 2 zealots but the ramp is so big that 3 zerglings could hit a zealot each. Jaedong knew he could do this, because it's basic ZvP knowledge and because he was in his base seeing how many zealots he had. And Jaedong had three hatcheries and killed a lot of probes while Bisu had zero tech (Jaedong had 8 drones and 3 hatcheries, Bisu had 10 probes according to the counter, this is really bad for P). So continuing with making zerglings was not an all-in, not at all. Bisu lost the game when he let the first 6 zerglings in.
Pulp can move, baby!
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
March 01 2009 21:23 GMT
#1988
On March 02 2009 06:10 Instigata wrote:
can someone translate each rating?


They basically rated each other and Bisu gave Jaedong's macro and defense 5 out of 10. What a cock, seriously.
Pulp can move, baby!
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
March 01 2009 21:27 GMT
#1989
On March 02 2009 05:37 Kuja900 wrote:
I feel so robbed i wanted Jaedong to outright beat bisu


I think that's pretty much what happened, no?
May the BeSt man win.
jellyfish
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States149 Posts
March 01 2009 21:29 GMT
#1990
On March 02 2009 06:12 Rho_ wrote:
First 3 are Offense, Defense, and Macro, last one is "star power." I forget what the rest of them are.


Offense, Defense, Macro, Fighting Spirit (I think), Micro (literally, 'control') and Star power
Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
March 01 2009 21:31 GMT
#1991
Great games, sad they ended in such a way.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123657
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 01 2009 21:43 GMT
#1992
On March 02 2009 06:29 jellyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 06:12 Rho_ wrote:
First 3 are Offense, Defense, and Macro, last one is "star power." I forget what the rest of them are.


Offense, Defense, Macro, Fighting Spirit (I think), Micro (literally, 'control') and Star power

It's offense, defense, macro, management, micro, star power.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7584 Posts
March 01 2009 21:52 GMT
#1993
I know its just my opinion.

I am a big jaedong fan and I'm glad that he won.

I also think that Zero/Luxury/yellow have better ZvP and ZvT mutalisk control then jaedong.

Jaedong mutas and his control of them is often less clean then zero and luxury esp zvt. ZvP he seems to falter in the mutalisk/multi-task department.

I think he is the best zerg and that mutalisk control is just one of the defining zerg attributes. Definately not the whole shebang.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 01 2009 22:02 GMT
#1994
Jaedong's mutalisk control has degraded recently, I don't know why, do pro zergs work on only micro during practice?
Jaedong
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
March 01 2009 22:09 GMT
#1995
On March 02 2009 07:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Jaedong's mutalisk control has degraded recently, I don't know why, do pro zergs work on only micro during practice?


did you see his templar snipe? is this a troll?
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
March 01 2009 22:10 GMT
#1996
well mutas play such a huge part of zergs matchups, working on only micro for mutas would be somewhat reasonable..

Its odd, I havent rooted for a zerg since like 2004 really, and bisu is one of my favs, but I just had a feeling that JD would win this one.. He has something to him. Great player. Maybe its cause im not a fan of the new-age of pure macro and waiting 30 mins to build up like alot of players these days.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-01 22:19:10
March 01 2009 22:15 GMT
#1997
On March 02 2009 07:09 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 07:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Jaedong's mutalisk control has degraded recently, I don't know why, do pro zergs work on only micro during practice?


did you see his templar snipe? is this a troll?


I could have sniped those templars if we're talking merely about control, they were sitting basically by themselves. What was amazing about the HT snipes was the timing, not really the control.

Overall Jaedong's Mutalisk CONTROL has degraded from what it used to be. He still has the timing down to snipe HT's but that wasn't extreme mutalisk control, it was just click on HT's. It's still top notch but it used to be far and away the best, I don't really understand why it got worse.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
March 01 2009 22:30 GMT
#1998
Wow I so disagree with the comments about JDs muta micro..
Mada Mada Dane
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
March 01 2009 22:37 GMT
#1999
--- Nuked ---
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-01 22:38:09
March 01 2009 22:37 GMT
#2000
JD's muta micro was never that godlike, I always felt Lux's was better.

In the series that many people felt established JD as one of the best muta microers, JD vs Sea in OCL, jaedong lost like a muta for every 3 marines he killed, that game was basically Sea severely messing up his own fact/sv timing and trying to expo when he should've focused on defending (though Jaedong did pick off plenty of scvs too). Lux has always been the one to win on pure mutas, i.e. vs frozean and a few others I think. Jaedong's mutalisks have won him many games, but not on micro alone; alot of those wins were from prior ling control or super quick muta builds -> mutas finish opponents off.
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