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On March 02 2009 05:45 Instigata wrote:
when bisu held off who had the advantage before he let the next big wave or zerglings in again? they showed his base and jaedong had no drones at his base. if bisu didnt let that second big wave in, was he ahead?
yeah, bc that is basically an allin imo.
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Cadical
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can someone translate each rating?
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On March 02 2009 05:45 Instigata wrote:
when bisu held off who had the advantage before he let the next big wave or zerglings in again? they showed his base and jaedong had no drones at his base. if bisu didnt let that second big wave in, was he ahead?
IIRC, only 1 of the lings got past the 2 zealots yet that combined with the 2 or 3 lings already in the base killed all the zealots. So I don't think the second wave could have been prevented...
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First 3 are Offense, Defense, and Macro, last one is "star power." I forget what the rest of them are.
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On March 02 2009 06:07 Cadical wrote:lol
Oh how I love watching people eat humble pie.
I had a few buddies over and we streamed the games onto my 42 or so inch tv. Next season I'm definitely paying for the high definition content.
Overall, fantastic series, the first 4 games really made jaedong feel like the underdog and I was the only zerg supporter out of all my friends; added to the overall tension. I'm glad Jaedong won, but I wish it wasn't because of such a rediculous mistake. I mean come on, letting 6 lings get past a double lot+probe ramp block? Huge rookie mistake, it's going to eat up Bisu for a long time - it isn't quite the rape bisu gave savior before his slump, but I have a feeling it will affect bisu's current aura of invulnerability.
EDIT:
I just had to add, I think it was game 2 that had the biggest LoL moment when tasteless yelled out "OMG, somebody call the police! There's a rape in progress!".
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When the second wave came, Bisu was too busy chasing the zerglings already in the base around to stop the second wave from getting in. For the final wave, the ramp had 2 zealots but the ramp is so big that 3 zerglings could hit a zealot each. Jaedong knew he could do this, because it's basic ZvP knowledge and because he was in his base seeing how many zealots he had. And Jaedong had three hatcheries and killed a lot of probes while Bisu had zero tech (Jaedong had 8 drones and 3 hatcheries, Bisu had 10 probes according to the counter, this is really bad for P). So continuing with making zerglings was not an all-in, not at all. Bisu lost the game when he let the first 6 zerglings in.
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On March 02 2009 06:10 Instigata wrote:
can someone translate each rating?
They basically rated each other and Bisu gave Jaedong's macro and defense 5 out of 10. What a cock, seriously.
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On March 02 2009 05:37 Kuja900 wrote:
I feel so robbed i wanted Jaedong to outright beat bisu
I think that's pretty much what happened, no?
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On March 02 2009 06:12 Rho_ wrote:
First 3 are Offense, Defense, and Macro, last one is "star power." I forget what the rest of them are.
Offense, Defense, Macro, Fighting Spirit (I think), Micro (literally, 'control') and Star power
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Great games, sad they ended in such a way.
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On March 02 2009 06:29 jellyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 06:12 Rho_ wrote:
First 3 are Offense, Defense, and Macro, last one is "star power." I forget what the rest of them are. Offense, Defense, Macro, Fighting Spirit (I think), Micro (literally, 'control') and Star power
It's offense, defense, macro, management, micro, star power.
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I know its just my opinion.
I am a big jaedong fan and I'm glad that he won.
I also think that Zero/Luxury/yellow have better ZvP and ZvT mutalisk control then jaedong.
Jaedong mutas and his control of them is often less clean then zero and luxury esp zvt. ZvP he seems to falter in the mutalisk/multi-task department.
I think he is the best zerg and that mutalisk control is just one of the defining zerg attributes. Definately not the whole shebang.
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Jaedong's mutalisk control has degraded recently, I don't know why, do pro zergs work on only micro during practice?
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On March 02 2009 07:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Jaedong's mutalisk control has degraded recently, I don't know why, do pro zergs work on only micro during practice?
did you see his templar snipe? is this a troll?
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well mutas play such a huge part of zergs matchups, working on only micro for mutas would be somewhat reasonable..
Its odd, I havent rooted for a zerg since like 2004 really, and bisu is one of my favs, but I just had a feeling that JD would win this one.. He has something to him. Great player. Maybe its cause im not a fan of the new-age of pure macro and waiting 30 mins to build up like alot of players these days.
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On March 02 2009 07:09 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 07:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Jaedong's mutalisk control has degraded recently, I don't know why, do pro zergs work on only micro during practice? did you see his templar snipe? is this a troll?
I could have sniped those templars if we're talking merely about control, they were sitting basically by themselves. What was amazing about the HT snipes was the timing, not really the control.
Overall Jaedong's Mutalisk CONTROL has degraded from what it used to be. He still has the timing down to snipe HT's but that wasn't extreme mutalisk control, it was just click on HT's. It's still top notch but it used to be far and away the best, I don't really understand why it got worse.
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Wow I so disagree with the comments about JDs muta micro..
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JD's muta micro was never that godlike, I always felt Lux's was better.
In the series that many people felt established JD as one of the best muta microers, JD vs Sea in OCL, jaedong lost like a muta for every 3 marines he killed, that game was basically Sea severely messing up his own fact/sv timing and trying to expo when he should've focused on defending (though Jaedong did pick off plenty of scvs too). Lux has always been the one to win on pure mutas, i.e. vs frozean and a few others I think. Jaedong's mutalisks have won him many games, but not on micro alone; alot of those wins were from prior ling control or super quick muta builds -> mutas finish opponents off.
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