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On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. And making stupid predictions isn't lame? Some people care about realism and common sense. I'm sure there are 1000s of Savior fans choking it over Bisu's loss right now. I'm sure it's fun for some delusional fan boys to hope for their Savior's return. But Jesus won't come back and neither will Savior. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won.
Is it honestly that bad to be outclassed by BISU?
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Arguing with fanboys is pointless, whether it be Savior fanboys or Bisu fanboys or whatever.
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On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won.
Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling.
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On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling.
wtf savior played quite well (granted bisu wasnt playing up to his best) the scourging especially pivotal
bisu's army during the later stages of the game was aimless, reminded me of saviors futile hydra dance actually
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ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod
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On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling.
Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win.
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On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod
You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!!
Edit* I probably deserved a temp ban for this comment, I'm sorry.
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On January 16 2009 13:07 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling. Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win.
"Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units."
His final base was his only link in the game, he didn't do anything tricky with it, just some reaver micro that did sqaut. Savior had the entire map, it lasted like 20 seconds?
Watch how Bisu gets his obs sniped in the most crucial moment, watch how Bisu's reavers do no damage the entire game, watch Savior do a scarab dodge. Savior was not outclassed the entire game. Bisu did no harassment at all.
On January 16 2009 13:10 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!!
You're getting banned. Hmm...maybe not.
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On January 16 2009 11:48 Avidkeystamper wrote:
If he sensed the burrowed units, he would 1) not fly around with his shuttle and 2) made observers before reavers.
1. he didnt fly around with shuttle until observer
same as:
2. he made observer before flying his shuttle out( you dont make observer before reavers just cuz you suspect burrowed hydras somewhere, reavers are useful units even when u defend)
On January 16 2009 11:57 Manifesto7 wrote:I stand by what I said earlier. Savior was a stone faced assassin that game. People have to understand that to beat Bisu, you need to claim that early advantage and then play brilliantly on the edge the rest of the time to stand a chance. That is what MJY did. Did he lost some units when he didn't have to? Yes, but that is the nature of zerg. I would argue that it forced Bisu to remain close to home. The beginning was not a zerg all-in, it was simply a way to slow down Bisu. If you let him get established without losing anything, you aren't going to win. Savior basically forced the P army to stay at the top of the map for 20 minutes. Imagin, you pressure BISU enough so that he cannot march south on a two player map. Incredible. Bisu played amazing for his part. Him game sense was awesome and he got back into a game so quickly after suffering a huge setback. He forced MJY into bad attacks and tried to shut down expansions with harass. Both players played an amazing game, I don't see why everyone feels like one person has to be torn down. + Show Spoiler [to the nit pickers] +I know that Bisu then lost to Zero, but that was only because of a single micro mistake. Had he not lost his sairs, he would not lose that game. That was not a strategy loss or a BO loss. It mearly represents the random nature of progaming.
everything is true, also zero game was pretty illustrative of bisus psychological state and preparation hes done
i do think that zero watched the game vs magma( bisu didnt even pretend to care about mutas, 1 cannon in main and 1-2 sairs. Not an archon in time. Basically he read the scourge into hydra build and didnt spend any money on defense, which was pretty ballsy). Thats why magma deserves a lot of credit for the game he played. Possibly thats why zero stuck with muta build, and his micro was sick( no wonder hes slashing people in zvz)
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On January 16 2009 13:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:07 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling. Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win. "Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units." His final base was his only link in the game, he didn't do anything tricky with it, just some reaver micro that did sqaut. Savior had the entire map, it lasted like 20 seconds? Watch how Bisu gets his obs sniped in the most crucial moment, watch how Bisu's reavers do no damage the entire game, watch Savior do a scarab dodge. Savior was not outclassed the entire game. Bisu did no harassment at all. Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:10 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!! You're getting banned. Hmm...maybe not.
I hope I don't get banned, I love posting here. Also, I lied, I do care that Bisu lost. The quality of the MSL is lessened because of this.
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On January 16 2009 13:20 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling. Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win. "Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units." His final base was his only link in the game, he didn't do anything tricky with it, just some reaver micro that did sqaut. Savior had the entire map, it lasted like 20 seconds? Watch how Bisu gets his obs sniped in the most crucial moment, watch how Bisu's reavers do no damage the entire game, watch Savior do a scarab dodge. Savior was not outclassed the entire game. Bisu did no harassment at all. On January 16 2009 13:10 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!! You're getting banned. Hmm...maybe not. I hope I don't get banned, I love posting here. Also, I lied, I do care that Bisu lost. The quality of the MSL is lessened because of this.
Honestly, if Flash and JD go out in Group F, I'm going to stop caring about the MSL.
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United States10774 Posts
On January 16 2009 13:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:20 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling. Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win. "Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units." His final base was his only link in the game, he didn't do anything tricky with it, just some reaver micro that did sqaut. Savior had the entire map, it lasted like 20 seconds? Watch how Bisu gets his obs sniped in the most crucial moment, watch how Bisu's reavers do no damage the entire game, watch Savior do a scarab dodge. Savior was not outclassed the entire game. Bisu did no harassment at all. On January 16 2009 13:10 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!! You're getting banned. Hmm...maybe not. I hope I don't get banned, I love posting here. Also, I lied, I do care that Bisu lost. The quality of the MSL is lessened because of this. Honestly, if Flash and JD go out in Group F, I'm going to stop caring about the MSL.
Haha I love seeing new faces do well. Quite the opposite 
Btw, I have never seen Bisu play so sloppily as he did verses Zero. Idle shuttle, horribly microed corsairs, etc..
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United States2186 Posts
On January 16 2009 13:53 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 13:20 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling. Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win. "Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units." His final base was his only link in the game, he didn't do anything tricky with it, just some reaver micro that did sqaut. Savior had the entire map, it lasted like 20 seconds? Watch how Bisu gets his obs sniped in the most crucial moment, watch how Bisu's reavers do no damage the entire game, watch Savior do a scarab dodge. Savior was not outclassed the entire game. Bisu did no harassment at all. On January 16 2009 13:10 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!! You're getting banned. Hmm...maybe not. I hope I don't get banned, I love posting here. Also, I lied, I do care that Bisu lost. The quality of the MSL is lessened because of this. Honestly, if Flash and JD go out in Group F, I'm going to stop caring about the MSL. Haha I love seeing new faces do well. Quite the opposite Btw, I have never seen Bisu play so sloppily as he did verses Zero. Idle shuttle, horribly microed corsairs, etc..
Bisu has no mental strength. It's just like when Mind owned him then he got murdered by Stork the week after.
His play vs Zero and vs Savior were like two completely different people.
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United States10774 Posts
On January 16 2009 13:58 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 13:53 OneOther wrote:On January 16 2009 13:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 13:20 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 12:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:
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FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. Were we watching the same game? If what you described occurred, than Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game. Stop trolling. Yes we were watching the same game. Watch Saviors waves of Hydras get slaughtered due to poor control and management. Watch his first drop and second drops get slaughtered gaining a single nearly minedout nexus and a handful of probes in return. Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units. Savior WAS outclassed. You use some of the worst logic I've ever seen. "Savior could not win if it was a 26 minute game." Are you fucking kidding me? I'm saying if Jaedong or Lux were in Savior's initial post ling rush position, we wouldn't have had half the game. Bisu almost clawed his way to a win. "Watch Bisu's final base, watch how long it lasts against against wave after wave of units." His final base was his only link in the game, he didn't do anything tricky with it, just some reaver micro that did sqaut. Savior had the entire map, it lasted like 20 seconds? Watch how Bisu gets his obs sniped in the most crucial moment, watch how Bisu's reavers do no damage the entire game, watch Savior do a scarab dodge. Savior was not outclassed the entire game. Bisu did no harassment at all. On January 16 2009 13:10 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod You think I give a fuck that Bisu lost? Get down lower on you knees for Savior plz. Go CJ!! You're getting banned. Hmm...maybe not. I hope I don't get banned, I love posting here. Also, I lied, I do care that Bisu lost. The quality of the MSL is lessened because of this. Honestly, if Flash and JD go out in Group F, I'm going to stop caring about the MSL. Haha I love seeing new faces do well. Quite the opposite Btw, I have never seen Bisu play so sloppily as he did verses Zero. Idle shuttle, horribly microed corsairs, etc.. Bisu has no mental strength. It's just like when Mind owned him then he got murdered by Stork the week after. His play vs Zero and vs Savior were like two completely different people.
Hmm I have never really viewed Bisu as a mentally weak player. Whatever it is, I hope the Taek-Bang comes back stronger than ever.
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On January 16 2009 12:35 aRod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote:On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote:On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote:
FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. And making stupid predictions isn't lame? Some people care about realism and common sense. I'm sure there are 1000s of Savior fans choking it over Bisu's loss right now. I'm sure it's fun for some delusional fan boys to hope for their Savior's return. But Jesus won't come back and neither will Savior. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won.
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Osaka27172 Posts
aRod I won't ban you, but I do suggest you rewatch the game before you insult other people. Savior lost some units needlessly, but that is the art of zerg anyway. He managed the game, and forced Bisu to defend for 26 minutes. At the end, Bisu had all army and no buildings because he sat in one place. He was unable to move out with that army because if he divided it he was dead, and if he left his base he was dead. At the end of the game he moved out, savior saved himself with great obs snipes, and skull fucked Bisus main and expo.
Savior looked like GoRush in that game to be honest.
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I love how it's guaranteed that a savior-bisu match is going to start some screaming fanboy hysterics no matter what.
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On January 16 2009 13:07 Ace wrote:
ooooooo god will you shut the fuck up arod
You and your rhetoric 
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I'm fine with people getting excited about one of their favorite players winning but pages and pages of excuses and arguing is getting kinda insane. Savior won, Bisu lost blame what you want but it won't change anything lol
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Does anyone have the brackets for Ro16? Like which seed from which group plays who? I always see it, but can never locate it when I want.
Nvm...
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