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aRod
United States758 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On January 16 2009 10:41 erin[go]bragh wrote: Wasn't it an elimination war? It's kind of sad that I don't remember considering I watched it live this morning, but i thought Savior was mined out, just about mined out, or running off half a base or something. If that was the case, Bisu still could have won considering he still had quite a large army that was much more durable than Savior's own. Uhm, dude, what game were you watching? o_O | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
On January 16 2009 02:44 D00dles wrote: FBH vs Savior final... Calling it right here. FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. | ||
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perx80
Malaysia65 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Uhm, dude, what game were you watching? o_O He meant the first game, except that only bisu is in danger of elimination.(In fact, bisu got eliminated before he GGed) | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote: FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. As I've said, savior vs fbh final is impossible, brackets would make them play in the Semi Finals. As for your comment, I really hope he doesn't lose. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:11 aRod wrote: FBH will loose to any protoss he plays. Savior will be extinct in the next round. Calling it right now. Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
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perx80
Malaysia65 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:05 aRod wrote: Savior won thanks to the early advantage he gained from the speedling rush. Bisu still outclassed him the whole game with better multitask, better control, and better game sense. If Bisu would have scouted the rush or done a better job defending, we wouldn't be seeing what remains of Savior's rotting corpse in R16. I have to disagree. Maybe SaviOr did gain some lead from the early rush but we had seen Bisu came back from worse situations. Throughout the game SaviOr did a good job of delaying Bisu from moving out, i.e. scourging the first cosair, dropping the main repeatedly. Also, Bisu was never gotten past 2 expansions, while Bisu did not manage to take down any of SaviOr's expansions till the very end. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:02 Shikyo wrote: All in? Okay... Savior made maybe 20 lings or so. That's 10 drones. Z's have less drones than Protoss so drones are a bit more valuable than Probes I think. Savior came out ahead, but just a tiny bit. It wasn't nearly as much as you're making it out to be... 13 probes + 2 zeals / 2 cannons / and 1 minute of lost mining time. That's about another 600-700 minerals advantage early game. Doing this much early damage stalls everything that protoss does mid-game. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:22 WindCalibur wrote: How does Zero micro against those archons with mutas? Did he use patrol, right clicks, or hold position micro? Those archon snipes were sick. Patrol almost the whole time. Some right clicks, but mostly patrol. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:22 WindCalibur wrote: How does Zero micro against those archons with mutas? Did he use patrol, right clicks, or hold position micro? Those archon snipes were sick. just right click obviously. Patrol does not target archons. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:24 perx80 wrote: I have to disagree. Maybe SaviOr did gain some lead from the early rush but we had seen Bisu came back from worse situations. Throughout the game SaviOr did a good job of delaying Bisu from moving out, i.e. scourging the first cosair, dropping the main repeatedly. Also, Bisu was never gotten past 2 expansions, while Bisu did not manage to take down any of SaviOr's expansions till the very end. you fail to realize that whole game depended on that early advantage that savior got. Only excellent play allowed bisu to come back into it and even gain the upper hand it was pretty amazing that he didnt try to harass with his shuttle feeling that savior might have burrowed units somewhere, even though he had no information at that point. Pure intelligence | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27178 Posts
The beginning was not a zerg all-in, it was simply a way to slow down Bisu. If you let him get established without losing anything, you aren't going to win. Savior basically forced the P army to stay at the top of the map for 20 minutes. Imagin, you pressure BISU enough so that he cannot march south on a two player map. Incredible. Bisu played amazing for his part. Him game sense was awesome and he got back into a game so quickly after suffering a huge setback. He forced MJY into bad attacks and tried to shut down expansions with harass. Both players played an amazing game, I don't see why everyone feels like one person has to be torn down. + Show Spoiler [to the nit pickers] + I know that Bisu then lost to Zero, but that was only because of a single micro mistake. Had he not lost his sairs, he would not lose that game. That was not a strategy loss or a BO loss. It mearly represents the random nature of progaming. | ||
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
Overall a beautiful game. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
Savior simply used that strategy to try and gain an advantage, and it worked. So how exactly does that reflect poorly on Savior's skill? Let's rephrase this. "Savior won because he used an unexpected strategy at the right moment to get a decisive advantage in the game." Edit: Sorry that this post is so angry-sounding. Just, please don't take any credit away from Savior for a great game he played there. I have enough respect for Bisu to know that you need to play an amazing game to take him down. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
Is Savior as popular among Korean fans as he is here on Teamliquid? | ||
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aRod
United States758 Posts
On January 16 2009 11:15 Frits wrote: Yeah and Bisu will beat Sa..... oh wait Making safe predictions is lame anyway, what's the point, we all know Savior is still the underdog right now, noone cares. And FBH is not nearly as bad at TvP as people make him out to be. I always think it's one of those meme's created to confuse me, just like how people keep calling Backho bad for some reason. And making stupid predictions isn't lame? Some people care about realism and common sense. I'm sure there are 1000s of Savior fans choking it over Bisu's loss right now. I'm sure it's fun for some delusional fan boys to hope for their Savior's return. But Jesus won't come back and neither will Savior. Fact remains Savior was still outclassed the entire game, except for the poorly defended and poorly scouted ling rush, which is the only reason Savior won. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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