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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
January 15 2009 23:40 GMT
#1221
sAviOr looked so good that game. Its like the first time i've seen sAviOr play modern (i.e. post-sAviOr ) starcraft without having to wince any point because I knew that a better zerg wouldnt be making that decision/mistakel (excluding Blizzcon where he also looked very strong)
Writerman what
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
January 16 2009 00:08 GMT
#1222
I hope Zero starts to fully pull it together. Once he stops losing to the likes of Justin, he could really become a force.
Zero fighting.
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
January 16 2009 00:12 GMT
#1223
omg, just saw the game...
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definetely one of the best PvZ ive seen,
i mean, im no zerg player... but those scourges were sweet!
I feel like pwning noobs
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 16 2009 00:18 GMT
#1224
On January 16 2009 08:40 Atrioc wrote:
sAviOr looked so good that game. Its like the first time i've seen sAviOr play modern (i.e. post-sAviOr ) starcraft without having to wince any point because I knew that a better zerg wouldnt be making that decision/mistakel (excluding Blizzcon where he also looked very strong)

he ate bisu.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
January 16 2009 00:26 GMT
#1225
FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YES.
TranslatorBaa!
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 16 2009 00:28 GMT
#1226
On January 16 2009 08:15 LxRogue wrote:
Savior's win over Bisu was pretty freaking epic, and his play was definitely awesome, way better than he has been playing.

Still, i was even more impressed with how easily Zero just dismantled Bisu. Destination has been pretty balanced, and Zero played it very straight up, exactly the way Bisu is comfortable playing PvZ.


Destination has been really weird. Look at the map statistics: PvZ since 12/9 (hyvaa vs anytime proleague) has been 14-1 in favor of the zerg. But before that it was 19-11 in favor of the protoss. What the hell happened there?
BW forever || Thall
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 00:48:54
January 16 2009 00:48 GMT
#1227
I never doubted you savior, sick play. Man when I was watching the downloaded vods without knowing the results and I cheered soooooooo much. Incredible.

Kinda sad zero advanced instead of magma but oh well you can't have everything.
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
January 16 2009 00:48 GMT
#1228
On January 16 2009 09:28 Rostam wrote:
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On January 16 2009 08:15 LxRogue wrote:
Savior's win over Bisu was pretty freaking epic, and his play was definitely awesome, way better than he has been playing.

Still, i was even more impressed with how easily Zero just dismantled Bisu. Destination has been pretty balanced, and Zero played it very straight up, exactly the way Bisu is comfortable playing PvZ.


Destination has been really weird. Look at the map statistics: PvZ since 12/9 (hyvaa vs anytime proleague) has been 14-1 in favor of the zerg. But before that it was 19-11 in favor of the protoss. What the hell happened there?


either zerg started getting their shit going, or protoss started choking...or both
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
January 16 2009 00:59 GMT
#1229
so I heard Bisu is 1-4 in his last 5 PvZs ?
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
viceroy
Profile Joined January 2003
Romania227 Posts
January 16 2009 01:02 GMT
#1230
Zero played better than Savior, although Savior's game was more entertaining because he is always one step from losing... I don't think savior is "back", the SC pro scene evolved and he is not Jaedong's level.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 01:07:51
January 16 2009 01:07 GMT
#1231
On January 16 2009 10:02 viceroy wrote:
Zero played better than Savior, although Savior's game was more entertaining because he is always one step from losing... I don't think savior is "back", the SC pro scene evolved and he is not Jaedong's level.

Zero played better than Savior? O_o Destination's ZvP's are like.. Z is on a 11-win streak or something. Bisu didn't play that well either... Zero had great muta micro and pretty good defense against the DT harrass but Bisu really wasn't playing like himself.

And for some reason Bisu thought that delaying storm is an amazing idea.
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viceroy
Profile Joined January 2003
Romania227 Posts
January 16 2009 01:17 GMT
#1232
well, it may be the map, but I thought Savior will lose couple of times during the game, never had the same impression from Zero's game. Bisu's strategy seems weak against mass hydra/scourge/good scouting, but then again earlier HT could have helped.
I'm still happy to see Savior advancing because I like his games (and July's) always fresh, based more on intuition than careful planning, but I also hate disappointments and so I like Jaedong since his more consistent with the best execution overall.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 16 2009 01:23 GMT
#1233
...just popping in here again to say "I told you so."


I told you so, bitches.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 01:32:44
January 16 2009 01:29 GMT
#1234
On January 16 2009 07:50 G0dly wrote:
The fact that Bisu would not gg even when his main got destroyed along with all his gates and tech shows the kind of mental state he was in.

anybody who thinks that Savior was not fucking impressive in that game has gotta be kidding me. He shut down Bisu so completely that he was never able to really expand beyond his natural until the last few minutes of the game when it was already completely over. Savior kept Bisu on his toes by harassing constantly and dropping multiple times, as well as playing clutch and sniping off shuttles and observers and Bisu was not able to respond well. His nerves got the best of him, he was playing pretty badly overall. Bisu choked hard, I dunno what he was thinking in the end, I think he was too stunned to even gg as all his bases were getting destroyed (in fact I believe he was eliminated). That's why he played so badly later on and didn't advance. It's a shame that a player of his caliber just messed up so badly.

If savior can keep this up, I think he will advance far into the tournament. I hope he does well. I like Bisu as a player, but in all honesty he got owned this game, no denying it.



Savior had a HUGE lead after those initial zergling allin. He killed around 11-13 probes, everything at the expo expect 2 probes. That's HUGE.


Savior won because of that play. He would have either took the game longer / lost if he didn't get such an early lead.


Bisu didn't choke, he was just extremely shaken after the first zergling rush.
We decide our own destiny
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
January 16 2009 01:34 GMT
#1235
GoRush and sAviOr do a celebratory dance

Writerman what
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
January 16 2009 01:35 GMT
#1236
I just woke up and i'm still pumped
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do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 01:43:18
January 16 2009 01:41 GMT
#1237
On January 16 2009 07:50 G0dly wrote:
The fact that Bisu would not gg even when his main got destroyed along with all his gates and tech shows the kind of mental state he was in.

anybody who thinks that Savior was not fucking impressive in that game has gotta be kidding me. He shut down Bisu so completely that he was never able to really expand beyond his natural until the last few minutes of the game when it was already completely over. Savior kept Bisu on his toes by harassing constantly and dropping multiple times, as well as playing clutch and sniping off shuttles and observers and Bisu was not able to respond well. His nerves got the best of him, he was playing pretty badly overall. Bisu choked hard, I dunno what he was thinking in the end, I think he was too stunned to even gg as all his bases were getting destroyed (in fact I believe he was eliminated). That's why he played so badly later on and didn't advance. It's a shame that a player of his caliber just messed up so badly.

If savior can keep this up, I think he will advance far into the tournament. I hope he does well. I like Bisu as a player, but in all honesty he got owned this game, no denying it.


Wasn't it an elimination war? It's kind of sad that I don't remember considering I watched it live this morning, but i thought Savior was mined out, just about mined out, or running off half a base or something. If that was the case, Bisu still could have won considering he still had quite a large army that was much more durable than Savior's own.


In any case, I am pretty sad Bisu got eliminated this early. Even if you hate the guy, the excitement he would have brought to a BoX vs. Savior/jaedong/flash ect. would have been undeniable. On the bright side, at least now I can cheer all in for Savior and not have to worry about two of my favorite players meeting up again in the Ro8.

What I'm curious to see is Bisu's response in GOM/Proleague. He will either a) have his confidence crushed and go into a slump, or b) he will be fucking PISSED and go on a rampage destroying GOM and all-killing everything in proleague.

Hoping it's the latter (unless he's vs. STX or CJ!) SC needs a protoss bad guy, and of all the dragons I'd much rather have it be Bisu (or Kal! <3) than someone boring like Jangbi or Stork.

JulyZerg! by.hero, effOrt, KTY.
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 01:49:36
January 16 2009 01:46 GMT
#1238
On January 16 2009 10:29 Tien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2009 07:50 G0dly wrote:
The fact that Bisu would not gg even when his main got destroyed along with all his gates and tech shows the kind of mental state he was in.

anybody who thinks that Savior was not fucking impressive in that game has gotta be kidding me. He shut down Bisu so completely that he was never able to really expand beyond his natural until the last few minutes of the game when it was already completely over. Savior kept Bisu on his toes by harassing constantly and dropping multiple times, as well as playing clutch and sniping off shuttles and observers and Bisu was not able to respond well. His nerves got the best of him, he was playing pretty badly overall. Bisu choked hard, I dunno what he was thinking in the end, I think he was too stunned to even gg as all his bases were getting destroyed (in fact I believe he was eliminated). That's why he played so badly later on and didn't advance. It's a shame that a player of his caliber just messed up so badly.

If savior can keep this up, I think he will advance far into the tournament. I hope he does well. I like Bisu as a player, but in all honesty he got owned this game, no denying it.



Savior had a HUGE lead after those initial zergling allin. He killed around 11-13 probes, everything at the expo expect 2 probes. That's HUGE.


Savior won because of that play. He would have either took the game longer / lost if he didn't get such an early lead.


Bisu didn't choke, he was just extremely shaken after the first zergling rush.


he had to cut a lot of drones in order to produce those zerglings, his lead was not as massive as you make it out to be. Bisu was very much still in the game after those zerglings died. My point is that with harasses like that, savior was able to keep bisu on his toes and shut down his expansions, ensuring that bisu was never able to macro beyond more than 2 bases and amass a massive army. Doing so really cost bisu his confidence in his play, which is why he played subpar in the rest of the games.
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
January 16 2009 01:59 GMT
#1239
I am one of 266 smart people!

HOLY FRICK, the Hive is in full swing!

"ee lim ee nay shon! ee lim ee nay shon! ee lim ee nay shon!" YOU HAVE FAILED

Best moment in SC since Savior did that to TT on Neo Requiem. 2009 is here, I am pissing my pants, putting on new pairs of pants and pissing in those. GG. Sickest set, this MSL is epic.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 02:11:37
January 16 2009 02:02 GMT
#1240
On January 16 2009 10:29 Tien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2009 07:50 G0dly wrote:
The fact that Bisu would not gg even when his main got destroyed along with all his gates and tech shows the kind of mental state he was in.

anybody who thinks that Savior was not fucking impressive in that game has gotta be kidding me. He shut down Bisu so completely that he was never able to really expand beyond his natural until the last few minutes of the game when it was already completely over. Savior kept Bisu on his toes by harassing constantly and dropping multiple times, as well as playing clutch and sniping off shuttles and observers and Bisu was not able to respond well. His nerves got the best of him, he was playing pretty badly overall. Bisu choked hard, I dunno what he was thinking in the end, I think he was too stunned to even gg as all his bases were getting destroyed (in fact I believe he was eliminated). That's why he played so badly later on and didn't advance. It's a shame that a player of his caliber just messed up so badly.

If savior can keep this up, I think he will advance far into the tournament. I hope he does well. I like Bisu as a player, but in all honesty he got owned this game, no denying it.



Savior had a HUGE lead after those initial zergling allin. He killed around 11-13 probes, everything at the expo expect 2 probes. That's HUGE.


Savior won because of that play. He would have either took the game longer / lost if he didn't get such an early lead.


Bisu didn't choke, he was just extremely shaken after the first zergling rush.

All in? Okay...

Savior made maybe 20 lings or so. That's 10 drones. Z's have less drones than Protoss so drones are a bit more valuable than Probes I think. Savior came out ahead, but just a tiny bit. It wasn't nearly as much as you're making it out to be...

On January 16 2009 10:41 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2009 07:50 G0dly wrote:
The fact that Bisu would not gg even when his main got destroyed along with all his gates and tech shows the kind of mental state he was in.

anybody who thinks that Savior was not fucking impressive in that game has gotta be kidding me. He shut down Bisu so completely that he was never able to really expand beyond his natural until the last few minutes of the game when it was already completely over. Savior kept Bisu on his toes by harassing constantly and dropping multiple times, as well as playing clutch and sniping off shuttles and observers and Bisu was not able to respond well. His nerves got the best of him, he was playing pretty badly overall. Bisu choked hard, I dunno what he was thinking in the end, I think he was too stunned to even gg as all his bases were getting destroyed (in fact I believe he was eliminated). That's why he played so badly later on and didn't advance. It's a shame that a player of his caliber just messed up so badly.

If savior can keep this up, I think he will advance far into the tournament. I hope he does well. I like Bisu as a player, but in all honesty he got owned this game, no denying it.


Wasn't it an elimination war? It's kind of sad that I don't remember considering I watched it live this morning, but i thought Savior was mined out, just about mined out, or running off half a base or something. If that was the case, Bisu still could have won considering he still had quite a large army that was much more durable than Savior's own.

Around the 18th minute of the game, they gave a view of all the bases of Savior. The minerals in the main and nat were at the second lowest state, so they had a couple hundred minerals per patch. If you can remember, the third running base wasn't savior's third, but his fourth. It still had plenty of minerals left, and wasn't even close to running out. At the end Savior prepated a flank attack against Bisu's army with mass hydra. He'd likely have beat at least most of it(If you can remember, he had no reavers left, and wasted most of his storms at 5 o'clock), and with 3 base hydra pump would have been able to take the rest of them out. It wasn't an elimination race at all.
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