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The rematch between Stork and GGplay. I hope it is twice as long as their first encounter.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On December 17 2008 08:27 Little-Chimp wrote:
The rematch between Stork and GGplay. I hope it is twice as long as their first encounter.
More like 6th.
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On December 17 2008 08:27 Little-Chimp wrote:
The rematch between Stork and GGplay. I hope it is twice as long as their first encounter.
lol. Here's hoping for some kind of mind control rush from Stork 
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hmm - i hope free isn't sleepy by the time he gets to play
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lol this is gonna be on MBCGame again, i wonder what the commentators will say hehe
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Ok, Stork vs GGPlay, I hope it won't last more than 30 minutes.
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Hungary11270 Posts
Samsung 3-0 again. Not likely, but meh, who would have guessed against Lecaf.
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god i hope this game goes long. although map isnt quite as conducive to long games as andromeda
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I definitely think Stars have the edge in tonights matchups; we better bring our A game.
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Stork < GGPLAY [ggplay is 5-1 against stork]
Great < Free
Odin > MVP
FBH > Zero
Jangbi> Free/Zero/GGplay
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I don't know if I can stand another hour+ long game between the two of them. Heres to hoping it lasts under 20 minutes.
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i wish Stork tries a probe rush.....
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Odin VS MVP matchup of the century
+ Show Spoiler +Check out what Odin did to FBH (terrible quality sorry):
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I'm going to be a bad fan and watch Jaedong vs Flash no matter what is going on over here. =X
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FBH vs Zero is gonna be epic if FBH doesn't cheese.
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Some epic games slated for tonight!
My predictions:
 Stork >  GGPlay
Yes, GGPlay is 5 - 1 against Dinotoss, but it's the Taek-Bang era, and GGPlay now has to go up against the Bang.
great < free
free's PvZ is quite stellar, and though I like great's style a lot, I don't think he can overcome the protoss giant.
oDin >  MVP
Not sure on this one, simply taking an established player over a newer one.
firebathero > ZerO
ZerO is a great rising Z player, but come on, he's going up against FBH, one of the most terrifying TvZers today.
3 - 1 Samsung!
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Sigh... GGplay vs Stork. = (.
They have the longest games = (.
Free is cooling down a bit and he never feels invincible...
3-2 Stars -_-;; CMonnn plz kill Khan.
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Go Stars! Knock Samsung below Lecaf! Yep, that's how I always know who to root for. 
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OMG STORK VS GGPLAY WILL BE PWNAGE
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Predictions.
Stork > GGPlay: Yes, GGPlay is 5-1 against Stork, but Stork's PvZ nowadays isn't nearly as bad as it was. Also this game won't be long since Stork won't go SaiR/reaver into carrier tech on such a small map.
great > free: If any game would turn out to be Stork vs GGPlay Sequel, it would be this one. I' bmetting on map imbalance in favor of Great. But this is more of a homer pick.
oDin < MVP: oDin just plain sucks. Although he is up against MVP, so it's not auto-lose.
firebathero > ZerO: I think this is somewhat of a tossup, because FBH can look bad TvZ when he's not up for it like against Saint. But he is still a TvZ beast and Destination is a map he absolutely owns.
Khan wins 3-1
If the match goes to ACE, I think it depends on the MU. The fact that Stars has a good toss means KHAN can't just throw out FBH knowing he'll own.
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I hope GGplay does an offensive hatch
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I can NOT wait for this
I need sleep because I'm flying overseas tomorrow but there's no way I'm missing all these games.
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I really hope we get to see either stork or ggplay say "no rush 25" in the pre-game chat before it starts.
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good thing everyone else is going to watch lecaf vs ktf for jaedong vs flash. that means the stream will be much less laggy.
also:
ggplay wins
mvp wins (he's the mothafuckin' mvp; no shit he's going to dominate)
free is a newb. he will lose to a two port wraith from the zerg.
fbh wins.
free will get sent out for ace and do decently well before having a stroke and dying.
my predictions.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
go Woongjin! Make me a 2 hour 1st Set!
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zero is overrated
fbh will crush zero if it ever gets to set 4
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I think Khan will take this 3-0, but I kinda wanna see FBH play~
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Stork > GGplay
Great < Free
Odin < MVP
FBH > Zero
Jangbi < MVP
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Stork vs GGPlay should've been been placed on the second map :[
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I have a feeling FBH will play all of samsung's games disguised as whoever is supposed to play and using their races and will win all the games.
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
samsung vs stars vlc:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
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FBH? is warming up on a laptop with a touch pad. Ridiculous.
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On December 17 2008 14:00 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs stars vlc:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
Thanks Corinthos.
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On December 17 2008 14:00 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs stars vlc:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
muchisimas gracias
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 14:00 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs stars vlc:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
You = God
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On December 17 2008 14:00 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs stars vlc:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
thank you
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I'll be live reporting the games.
Hopefully Stork vs GGPlay doesn't take too long, or my fingers will break off.
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These are my two of my favorite teams, so this should be a blast.
Stork and GGPlay are in their booths, looking badass as usual.
GGPlay got more cheers than Stork, haha.
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On December 17 2008 14:00 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs stars vlc:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
Thank you SO much.
And GGPlay just isn't the same w/o his glasses. Almost can't recognize him.
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INTRO IS PLAYING.... EPICNESS INCOMING...
Serious -_- faces on.... ITS STARTED
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GGPlay is green on 1
Stork is orange on 7
STORK SENDING EARLY PROBE, CHEESEEEEE
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Starting yay, fast probe out for Stork... like his 5th probe, proxy it looks like... MAYBE spotted by overlord
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I think the overlord missed it
Pylon right outside of GGPlays main
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
FORGE and gateway AT GGPLAYS RAMP
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Pylon is up, first gateway planted down
GGPlay seems to be going for a 12 hatch?
Forge also down for Stork
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GGPlay pulls all drones and attacks, also plants the pool
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Holy fuck hahaha gateway blocks ramp, drones cant pass, cannon warping in, ggplay laying sunken near ramp
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That is some sweet building placement.
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Cannon going down for Stork, Gateway finished for Stork
GGPlay has a creep colony up
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Stork has 2 cannons and 1 zealot out
Attacking a somewhat stray sunken
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GGplay wastes his first 6 lings.
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Lings out for GGPlay, and he carelessly moves them into the cannons
ZEALOTS THREATENING DRONES
oh wait only one goes down
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
ggplay laying a second coloney, zealot out for stork, gives vision to cannon and forces 2nd sunken to be cancelled... lings out sacrificed to buy time for new 2nd colony, but cancelled
2 zealots slip into mineral line
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GGplay don't got this anymoar. 5 - 2 nao
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Both zealots killed, only 2 drones dead
Cannons taking potshots at the sunkens
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Once again ggplay trying to lay another sunken in range of the cannon but zealot spots, it is killed, ggplay frantically morphing in 2 more
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Well, looks like the new version of the map is still a toss proxy haven.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
finally sunkens morph in range of the cannon and kill it, but there is another and stork is morphing 2 more, building cyber core at home, forge dying to sunken
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Core is going up for Stork
GGPlay still trying to put down sunks, and Stork still putting down cannons
2 Lings manage to runby the contain
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Forge down, lings run past! many die but like 4-5 make it through, heading to storks main.
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If GGplay ran by with more than 4 lings he would have stood a much better chance.
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Scratch that, 3 lings in Storks' main, carefully attacking probes
Stargate up for Stork
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
take that back, 3 lings in storks main, still 3 cannons or so at ggplays ramp, and 4-5 sunkens up top. stargate finished, lings still running around in stork main being chased by zealots.
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Stargate is flashing
GGplay runs 5 lings, going for the main again
First sair is out for Stork
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ggplay might actually win this lol
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Corsair out, cannon contain outside of ggplay's nat, LOTS of lings in stork's main now, like 8
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THe lings inside the main are still being annoying, taking out a few probes
However, Stork gets a cannon up
Hatch going up in GGPlays main
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is awesome32271 Posts
GGPlay on FOUR drones lol.
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GGplay only has 4 drones.
And he GG's.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Ling harass getting a couple probes, but there is a cannon in the min line... corsair getting
GG ggplay gives up!
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GGPlay GGs
No overlords/4 drones.
Khan 1-0 Stars
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haha well it wasn't 80 minutes, thats for sure
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GGplay doesn't like change in his openings, does he? He reacted this poorly against Fantasy, too.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
chupung awesome for cheese
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Hahahaha, what rape... ggplay is actually smiling through
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That build was a lot more fragile than Stork made it look. If GGplay had bided his time with his initial control group of lings and then did a run by instead of an attack I think he would have won.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 17 2008 14:14 baubo wrote:
Well, looks like the new version of the map is still a toss proxy haven.
ugh
what stork did is possible on any map with a highground-choke
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Gotta hand it to Stork, that was pretty slick building placement. ggplay was so adamant about laying those sunkens to try and kill the proxy buildings though, he wasted just tons of minerals and drones. Definitely should've just tried to one base for a little...
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On December 17 2008 14:20 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 14:14 baubo wrote:
Well, looks like the new version of the map is still a toss proxy haven. ugh what stork did is possible on any map with a highground-choke
I think Stork has done it before, but I don't know where. I want to say Mondragon at WWI or something similar but I'm not 100% sure. But he did it on a 2 player map (I think it was Loki II) and proxy 2 gated.
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Stork describing his rape to team mates.
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How utterly terrible. Glad I was watching Forgg - Luxury, and that's saying something.
Stork, you will never be Kang Min, regardless of how hard you try.
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what could he have done with one-base? fast mutalisks?
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 14:23 Proposal wrote:
what could he have done with one-base? fast mutalisks?
Either a hydra bust or hope mutas could do some damage.
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Wow, I should've watched this game instead, sounds crazy
actually it sounds really short, now that I look at the time
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
great vs free, or JAEDONG VS FLASH...
I think I'm switching streams for the next game
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YEAHHH GREAT VS FREE!!
LETS GET HYPED WOO
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On December 17 2008 14:23 Proposal wrote:
what could he have done with one-base? fast mutalisks?
ventral sacs and elevator out? I dunno.
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On December 17 2008 14:20 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 14:14 baubo wrote:
Well, looks like the new version of the map is still a toss proxy haven. ugh what stork did is possible on any map with a highground-choke
I'm sure there are other considerations, like being a 2 player map, travel time of lings between bases, etc. The amount of cheese on the map seems abnormally high.
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I'll still be here live reporting. I added the stream
Corinthos' VLC: mmsh://75.126.18.2:3113
to the OP
Great and pretty in the booths, -_- faces on
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On December 17 2008 14:26 EvilTeletubby wrote:great vs free, or JAEDONG VS FLASH... I think I'm switching streams for the next game
oh god no spoilers plz y'all
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On December 17 2008 14:28 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 14:20 Carnac wrote:On December 17 2008 14:14 baubo wrote:
Well, looks like the new version of the map is still a toss proxy haven. ugh what stork did is possible on any map with a highground-choke I'm sure there are other considerations, like being a 2 player map, travel time of lings between bases, etc. The amount of cheese on the map seems abnormally high.
A other important factor would be that the choke not being in the first overlords scouting path
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That was a sick cheese. Stork planned it well that regardless what happened to his contain he will be ahead in the game.
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C'mon its KHAN they cheese on everything.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Time to bolt and watch Flash/Jaedong.
Staying on topic, I look forward to seeing Free dismantle Hades' questionable ZvP.
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On December 17 2008 14:23 QibingZero wrote:
How utterly terrible. Glad I was watching Forgg - Luxury, and that's saying something.
Stork, you will never be Kang Min, regardless of how hard you try.
Stork is stork, he doesn't need to try be Kang Min since he's just fucking awesome in his own way.
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INTRO PLAYING.... FEEL THE HYPE
SPLIT SCREEN ON THE SUPER-SERIOUS OWNAGE FACES
....AND IT HAS BEGUN
great is yellow at 10
free is teal at 8
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Great sending overlord in the WRONG direction
free FEing, pylon at nat
great is going for a 9 overpool
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hmmm another pvz on andromeda, maybe this will be the hour long game
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Hades = great... *facepalm* how did I not realize that earlier
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On December 17 2008 14:32 imDerek wrote:
hmmm another pvz on andromeda, maybe this will be the hour long game
great and free's styles / skill would not allow for that I'd think. great couldn't last that long and free probably won't go with the units that usually draw things out (carriers in pvz).
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Free putting down his forge, keeping up his scout
Free fails to harass the expoing drone
2 cannons going up for free
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Lings are now out for great, ignoring the scouting probe
Thrid hatch going up for great at the nat
2 LINGS RUN BY THE CANNONS
meh
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great gets 2 lings into the main past the cannons
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First gas for great is up, lings in free's base not doing much
Core going up for free, free's 2nd base is taking off
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Core is finished for free, free going for Stargate
Lair is finished, great is opting for a Spire
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Citadel of Adun is going up for free
2 lings in free's base are finally driven off, take out a few probes though
4th hatch going down in the min only
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fucking epic ling harass got at least 4 probes with 2 lings
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Evo Chamber and Den coming up for great
Sair takes out one overlord, sees all of great's tech (scourge chase away sair)
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i mean granted he lost a bunch to cannons but still
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Free building nexus at the min only
5th hatch building for great
Free loses his sair
Free has his first DT out (missed the archives asdf)
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Great taking an expo at 2's nat
DT scouts it, but leaves?!
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DT is back for more, but Overlord is there for detection
3 Lurks out for great
Drone maynard coming up, 2 zealots + DT attacking expo at 2
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Drones and lurks coming in and take out free's small force, Hatch is about half-dead
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Triple Evo Chambers up for great
A lot of HT out for Free, observatory coming up
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jesus free has a lot of gateways
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Free slapping down more gates
Great macroing up hydra/lurk/ling, and moving out with a moderate force of it
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Queens Nest started for great, lurks burrowing in the middle of the two mains
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Lings move in to attack free's army, gets stormed
Hive started for great
Free getting some wonderful storms, taking out quite a few hydras and lings
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Great is still macroing like a maniac
Free's force is definitely bigger, great throwing away some units
GREAT GOING FOR A NICE LING/HYDRA FLANK
gets destroyed, free has more reinforcements coming
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Great is on 5 base, after taking the min only at 2 o'clock
Defiler Mound is up for great
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Free has one large dragoon/zeal army though. Holy shit that is one scary ass force.
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Free moving his force to 2 o'clock, he's serious about taking out those expos
GREAT MOVING HIS ENTIRE FORCE TO COMBAT IT
NICE STORMS FOR FREE, TAKING OUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF HYDRA/LING
DRAGOONS/ZEALOTS TAKE OUT THE REST OF GREAT'S ARMY
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Holy shit that is a scary number of goons.
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Free army micro is so fucking good, zerg units jsut melt
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Dark swarm won't save you now. Free looking to just barge in and rape.
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FIRST DEFILER OUT FOR GREAT
GETS A SWARM OFF, but no lings? ROFLWUT
FREE IS KEEPING UP HIS MACRO, BEINGING IN MORE REINFORCEMENTS
Great is confined to a small area outside his base, taking a 6th at 2 o'clock to compensate
Great gets a plague off on free's goon force
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Mass sunks now. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Cracklings tearing things up though.
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Free's control is just so sick.
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FREE MOVING IN WITH GOONS, MORE REINFORCEMENTS ON THE WAY
EVEN MORE REINFORCEMENTS ARE ON THE WAY, GREAT DESPERATELY TRYING TO STOP THIS PUSH INTO HIS NATURAL
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Free's army micro is just so nice to watch.
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FREE PUSHING IN FOR REAL WITH ZEAL/GOON/ARCHON/HT
THE NAT IS IN GREAT DANGER NOW, BUT LINGS ARE SNIPING A BUNCH OF HTS
EPIC ZOOM ON GREAT
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Great has Ultras out now.
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holy cow, that was like 7 minute NON STOP action from both side
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LMFAO, most anticlimactic spoiler ever.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Free looking to take the middle.
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great is trying to build up a ultraling/defiler force
Free expanding in the middle of the map
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free taking center, haha.
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Free... is such a Zerg slayer.
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Zealot/Goon force pushing into the nat yet again, but gets deflected by Swarm + Ultraling
Great knows about the middle expansion, tries to attack it with lings from 2 o'clock
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free needs reavers and repeat what he did vs jaedong
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free is on 5 base now as his middle expo goes up
Free's archon force is growing steadily
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frees armyis jsut to big, great wont be able to catch up
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Great has idle Ultralisks in his min only
that's just... great
Great moving around the map with his ultraling looking for other expos to deny, but finds none
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On December 17 2008 14:51 EntertainMe wrote:
holy cow, that was like 7 minute NON STOP action from both side
that's what she said.
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Free is pushing into the 2 o'clock family of expos
They are going down very quickly, great trying to bring out ultraling to take out middle expo
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Free trades one expo for two.
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omg great gg for fucks sake
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Free all in Great's nat now. This looks to be over soon.
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Middle nexus for free is DOWN, taking out by cracklings
Great is very behind, FREE PUSHING INTO HIS NAT YET AGAIN
GREAT DESPERATELY PUTTING DOWN STORMS AND PLAGUE
HOLY SHIT THAT DEFILER IS FAT
NAT HATCH GOES DOWN
Great GGs
Khan 1-1 Stars
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Great GGs as Free just rolls him over with a large archon/zeal/ht army
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damn glowing balls of destruction
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Hahaha, this is a baller ceremony from free.
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No doubt about it Free is the best protoss micro
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Free fans love him lol - -
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Free leaves the stadium and points at something.
Fangirls giving free a kings crown and robe, as well as a cake.
Free stares at the camera all Midas-like.
(rofl im stil LRing this)
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before he put on the King's crown he pointed at the poster which said "Free Reign Begins Here"
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What does it says on that banner?
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wow great held on a lot longer than I thought he would that was one hell of a long intense battle
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great looking really impressive
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I guess it's Free's birthday? Pretty nice.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
That was actually a GG, the non-stop action at Great's nat was hella fun to watch... but I knew the game would be over whenever Free finally decided to go towards the upper right.
But still, very entertaining. And WTF was that, free's birthday or something?
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As much as it pains me to see members of the Swarm getting destroyed like that, free's PvZ is a treat to watch. He's got his own flare and style to it, coupled with his divine control.
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Free should have gone for the expansions earlier but he won that big battle and wanted to end it right there and went for the main where he was gridlocked for like 5min, if he went for expansions that gg would have come much faster. Still awesome game match of the night so far.
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iM JUST GLAD WE GET TO SEE FBH TONIGHT
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I just gotta say, i love Corinthos, normally i cant watch these that well on daum, but w/ his streams i'm watchin both side by side!!
Corinthos, you're a baller
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Maybe they just crowned him the PvZ king lol, take that bisu!
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Just me or Great looks like Jaedong?
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On December 17 2008 15:00 Onisparda wrote:
Maybe they just crowned him the PvZ king lol, take that bisu!
On December 17 2008 14:57 EntertainMe wrote:
before he put on the King's crown he pointed at the poster which said "Free Reign Begins Here"
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On December 17 2008 14:59 Kuja900 wrote:
Free should have gone for the expansions earlier but he won that big battle and wanted to end it right there and went for the main where he was gridlocked for like 5min, if he went for expansions that gg would have come much faster. Still awesome game match of the night so far.
Free's downside is that he getts cocky when he starts winning. See flash vs free
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get ready for the most biased LR you have ever seen (well, not really)
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On December 17 2008 15:00 EntertainMe wrote:
iM JUST GLAD WE GET TO SEE FBH TONIGHT
oh god yes.
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If it says "Ready" but it does not load anything, keep refreshing or clicking the Play button until it does.
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On December 17 2008 15:01 Realpenguin wrote:get ready for the most biased LR you have ever seen (well, not really)
Lets hope MVP shows some promising play, woonjin needs 1 more star and they will go 2 the top!!!
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lol tiger woods is everywhere
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MVp better win, I wanna FBH end with style
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lol at ad about putting the norway flag into your leg
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God that girl's accent on the commercial right now annoys me SO much...
I hate it every time she comes on...T_T.
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i really hate odin, hes such a boring mediocre player
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Well... KTF vs Lecaf spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +it's over, 3-0 rape for Lecaf... last game was pretty meh. All games were meh, with Jaedong at least showing some inspired play against flash, definitely worth watching but skip the other two games.
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terrible AKA. sounds like a korean trying to be hispanic
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its a shame 'gorilla' is already taken
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On December 17 2008 15:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i really hate odin, hes such a boring mediocre player
just stick with it, firebathero will make all of our dreams come true
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Your spoiler didn't work.
EDIT: nvm, it's fixed.
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Wow, MVP has the greatest -_- face I have seen in quite some time.
Should be a great match.
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On December 17 2008 15:10 EvilTeletubby wrote:Well... KTF vs Lecaf spoiler: + Show Spoiler +it's over, 3-0 rape for Lecaf... last game was pretty meh. All games were meh, with Jaedong at least showing some inspired play
Nice spoiler teletubby!!!!
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GO ODIN, OFFENSIVE SUNKEN LIKE YOU DID BEFORE
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Bleh, I fixed it, sorry guys~
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THIS GAME HAS STARTED
Espada is brown at 3
MVP is teal at 7
MVP CHEESING, EARLY SCV
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MVP going for a proxy here.
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Terran sending an SCV Early!!
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Anyways... EARLY scv out for MVP, spotted by ovie!!
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.... what the hell was the point in that.
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OVERLORD SCOUTS THE SCV
SCV gets to Espada's base awfully early, but nothing to do really
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MVP 's super early scv not building anything yet....
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Lol SCV is spotted. I dunno what the Terran is thinking....
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On December 17 2008 15:10 EvilTeletubby wrote:Well... KTF vs Lecaf spoiler: + Show Spoiler +it's over, 3-0 rape for Lecaf... last game was pretty meh. All games were meh, with Jaedong at least showing some inspired play against flash, definitely worth watching but skip the other two games.
+ Show Spoiler +Nah, check out ForGG VS Luxury if you wanna see the other possible ending to Jaedong VS Flash
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It can't.
It got spotted. It's like he scouted on 5.5 for.. 1scv harass ~_~
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
MVP caught, abandons cheese attempt and builds depot/rax in base.
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wait what
what was the point...
mvp you are certainly devious >:}
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Espada going for a 9pool? looks a bit early
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Wth why did mvp send a scout before depo
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Forcing the zerg to 9pool?
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MVP playing standard now, but still he's getting a fairly early gas
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MVP delays zergs first expo a second or two until lings arrive
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i dont think MVP intened to cheese, i think hes just playing with odin
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Espada quickly places his 2nd hatch after his lings pop out
Overlord inside MVPs main
MVP pulls 3 SCVs and 1 marine to defend his ramp
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Christ, how retarded are you guys... he was obviously going to proxy cheese, but got spotted by the ovie so he had to abandon that plan.
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mvp pulls 4 scvs to heal a depot... ??
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
MVP GOING 2 DEPOT BUILD???
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Third hatch going up for Espada in his main
Factory going up for MVP
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mvp sure is playing poorly...
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lol mech again, whats with the mech build today?
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Mech build is fun.
2 PORT FOR MVP
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OH HEY SOME SORT OF 'MECH' BUILD
CURIOSER AND CURIOSER
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On December 17 2008 15:15 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Christ, how retarded are you guys... he was obviously going to proxy cheese, but got spotted by the ovie so he had to abandon that plan.
Mmm kinda weird doing a cheese build with a 50% chance of getting spotted automatically.
DUAL STARPORT INCOMING
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oh shii, double starport!
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dual starports for mvp, commentators going ooooooooooooooooooo
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Double starport !
iam late
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I love how they say it, TWO STAH~!
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
2 starports, woot woot wraiths!
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LOMO STYLE
MVP IS STILL PUMPING OUT SOME RINES
Great gettign his Lair up.
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Oh, lord. Khan zergs have not been able to deal with mech builds. I don't think I've seen them win a single one.
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Either way, with odin expecting cheese and having to 9pool, 2port wraith is a good followup.
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DOUBLE WRAITH PUMP
CUTTING SCVs FOR THIS, GET READY FOR SOME ASS KICKING
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Haha, nice marine block to prevent scouting ling
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On December 17 2008 15:15 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Christ, how retarded are you guys... he was obviously going to proxy cheese, but got spotted by the ovie so he had to abandon that plan.
If that's true, he made an incredibly noob mistake. Any good terran knows the likely ovie scouting paths and if they want to proxy, they just build in the middle.
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if you are an overlord, its a good time to hide
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2 WRAITHS HARASSING DRONES
Spire is going up for espada
Vulture out for MVP
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Wow, the marines movement for this build is actually really badass...
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
2 wraiths harassing drones, odin not prepared for it at ALL
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GO FOR OVIES BEFOR MUTA POPS COMON
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Odin's caught with his pants down here.
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Odin has NOTHING for the Wraiths.
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I love his faces : D
': o'
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WRAITHS DOING SOME BIG DAMAGE, DRONE AND OVERLORD MASSACRE
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odin losing tons of drones, overlords, gg could be real soon
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YESSS
GOGO STARS.
Crush Samsung.
T1 lost to Fox, we need the Stars to win -_-;;
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MVP NO LONGER HAS THE :0 MVP FACE
Espada trying to get some hydras out
Cloak being researched
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oodin is reacting like a noob
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How did I miss this game being played on my second monitor? It looks really crazy.
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MVP is building a rax, researching (I think) stim in his academy
Hydra/scourge are chilling at Espada's base
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MVP taking advantage of cloak, but spore colony is up at Espada's nat
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too many wraiths for scourge to work
well he did get at least one wraith with scourage
another goes downto a spore col.
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Decent wraith micro from MVP, but nowhere near Lomo's finesse.
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On December 17 2008 15:17 LxRogue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:15 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Christ, how retarded are you guys... he was obviously going to proxy cheese, but got spotted by the ovie so he had to abandon that plan. If that's true, he made an incredibly noob mistake. Any good terran knows the likely ovie scouting paths and if they want to proxy, they just build in the middle.
Possibly, but if he was intentionally forcing the zerg to 9 pool, sending out your 5th SCV is a huge setback. I still think it was just a mistake to let it get spotted, but I might be wrong.
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free moving out with mnm, odin doesnt have shit
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Huge surprise MNM force moving out!
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MVP IS PUSHING OUT WITH MNM
ALSO BUILDING A CC
WOW, THIS IS JUST LIKE LOMO VS KWANRO
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MVP is really focusing on thos ewraiths his base is a mess.
Odin's setting up a backstab.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
a few lings sneak into main, but no biggie... MNM ripping up odin's nat
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5 LINGS MOVE INTO MVP'S MAIN and do nothing
MNM force doing quite some damage at Espada's nat
Wraiths just chilling at MVP's main?!
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Guys, his build was gonna be go check 3, if OL went upward, they miss paths, he sees creep, pulls back and 8 raxes at the infamous RH3 side proxy spot. That awkward up against the wall direct rally.
Then he turtles and goes wraiths depending on failure or whatnot I guess?
Anyways, 4 medics = GG
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MVP saves base w/o losing and is now ready for any counter
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its easier to scourge hunt with wraiths than with mutas right?
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Cloaked wraiths wreaking havoc in Espada's base again, taking out sunks to clear the way for his MNM
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wraiths taking out sunkens, marines moving out again
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MVP hasa MNM moving up to the nat again
MVP BREAKS THE SUNKS
ESPADA GGs
Khan 1-2 Stars
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Odin GG's.
MVP is really happy. This is like what, his second win?
Edit: Just checked. His third.
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MVP looked really happy after that one.
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Sexy.
Now FBH needs to save the day!
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Why is Odin still a progamer? -______-;;
That was embarrassing for Samsung Khan...winners of PL last season.
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FBH GONNA TIE THIS BACK UP.
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Odin is bad.
FBH vs. ZerO will be the good ZvT.
Go ZerO!
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WHERE WAS MY OFFENSIVE SUNKEN, ODIN
I LOVE YOU BUT THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOOD AT
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THat was some boxer shit right there, 2 port in to 3rax sunk bust. Pure genius
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Espada is a cool handle, too bad the guy using it sucks. -_-
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=) He's really happy about his first TvZ win. He convincingly lol'd on Odin, Samsung veteran.
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lol odin
fbh >>>>>>>>>> zero
then samsung will win the ace too unless they send out odin
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Game of the night, FBH vs. Zero!
Looking forward to this one.
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On December 17 2008 15:24 KreaGata wrote:
Espada is a cool handle, too bad the guy using it sucks. -_-
To much Bleach, not enough Starcraft.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Now for FBH to rape Zero, and... Stork vs Free for ace?
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pretty pimp game by the gansta mvp.
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Man Odin is so shit.
When he sees two wraiths what does he do? Build a hydra den and no evo chamber. Then spends the next minute running drones around and losing more than half his drones.
By the time the hyrda den finishes and two hydras pop up there are already 6 wraiths.
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Main event baby, FBH the zerglsayer vs the rising star ZerO. If this goes to Ace, I'm hoping a rematch with the outcome reversed.
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lol, Den starts with wraiths hit drones.
I actually want Zero to win.
We need more terran slaying zergs.
Make it so Z>T til we have Zerg are imba threads.
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On December 17 2008 15:25 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:24 KreaGata wrote:
Espada is a cool handle, too bad the guy using it sucks. -_- To much Bleach, not enough Starcraft.
I don't watch Bleach, I just thought it sounded cool. There's definite lack of StarCraft from him though.
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MVP
DONT FORGET THE NAME
Oh boy, FBH is up next. IT"S TIME.
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zero sporting a shiny ring
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Break FireBatHero's spirit plz Zero.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
lol are the commentators watching themselves?
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Holy shit the MBC commentators are too fucking pro.
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i think thunk is saying that odin reads bleach more than he practices for his proleague matches.
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Zero is amazing at ZvT. lets go 3-0 woonjin!!!!!
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MBC commentators ARE THE SHIT
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Kim Taek Youuuuunnnggggg~
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FBH can't go out for ace since Stars has a good toss
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Watching them makes me wish I knew Korean. I'd so have a beer with those guys.
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LOL wtf is wrong with Nal_ra?
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well actually maybe fbh could be ace since neo harmony is a T map
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lotsss of awkward moments from nal_ra rofl
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On December 17 2008 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
FBH can't go out for ace since Stars has a good toss
FBH has been raping toss lately lol. Free is the one to beat him though in MSL(afaik), so im not sure what KHAN is gonna do tbh.
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On December 17 2008 15:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
odin sucks
Shut up.
You ever tried fighting against undetected 2port wraiths? It's impossible, it's like getting DT rushed in TvP.
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On December 17 2008 15:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
well actually maybe fbh could be ace since neo harmony is a T map
Zero beat Flash AND Really on Harmony though.
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crazy commentators!!! XD nal_ra its so funny!!
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On December 17 2008 15:31 SkepTicAL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
FBH can't go out for ace since Stars has a good toss FBH has been raping toss lately lol. Free is the one to beat him though in MSL(afaik), so im not sure what KHAN is gonna do tbh.
but he's beating pretty bad toss, with the only notable win against kal. his tvp has improved, but not as much as his last 10 games indicate.
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lol wow, why cant our commentators be like that? ;_;
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Did we just get an entire commercial block of nothing but commentators?
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On December 17 2008 15:31 SkepTicAL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
FBH can't go out for ace since Stars has a good toss FBH has been raping toss lately lol. Free is the one to beat him though in MSL(afaik), so im not sure what KHAN is gonna do tbh.
wasn't it bisu>fbh, free>nada?
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On December 17 2008 15:33 miseiler wrote:
Did we just get an entire commercial block of nothing but commentators?
What more do you want?!! shiet.
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If Zero beats FBH... omg, lil monster ZvT.
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United States10774 Posts
firebathero fighting, take this to the ace
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FBH looking really serious. ZerO looks like he's in deep thought about something. -_- faces engage
INTRO PLAYING...
AND THIS GAME IS UNDER WAY
firebathero is purple at 11
zero is white at 5
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On December 17 2008 15:31 SkepTicAL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
FBH can't go out for ace since Stars has a good toss FBH has been raping toss lately lol. Free is the one to beat him though in MSL(afaik), so im not sure what KHAN is gonna do tbh.
he has not nor has he ever been raping toss.He beat Bisu, and much in group stages, and then like 2-0 or 2-1'd tempest, and then bisu took a dump on his chest and 3-0'd him. And I think free beat him in proleague, either way I think theyd send out stork to cover both ggplay and free options, I suppose jangbi would also be safe.
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Go zero! Prove you're the next great zerg!
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firebathero pisses his pants from fright of zero and pauses the game, getting him disqualified.
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WHAT? WHAT? NO EARLY SCV FROM FBH!!!!!!
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On December 17 2008 15:27 KreaGata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:25 thunk wrote:On December 17 2008 15:24 KreaGata wrote:
Espada is a cool handle, too bad the guy using it sucks. -_- To much Bleach, not enough Starcraft. I don't watch Bleach, I just thought it sounded cool. There's definite lack of StarCraft from him though.
Oh haha. The Espada are a key plot point of Bleach. And Odin's lacking something, that's for sure.
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ZERO SENDS HIS OVERLORD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
NO WAY
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Oh man. I'm kind of happy that FBH is playing because I think he will take it to ACE.
Then we can have Stork vs GGPlay ... again!
I'm worried though because when it comes to crushing the spirits of top SC players, well, he's very good at that. But when it comes to rolling over noobs, he sometimes has problems. It's probably the FBH effect - noobs know that FBH won't do his dance if he wins, because nobody cares, because they are noobs. Then the noobs don't sweat it and then they win.
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Stars doesn't wanna play Jangbi or Stork for ace, so plz end it here Zero.
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CC after barracks for fbh
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Zero opted for 12hatch FE
FBH does 1rine FE
SCV and drone battle to the death... or not the drone runs away
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the thing with FBH is he can read zergs very well
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3rd hatch going up for Zero inside his main
Gas going up for Zero
2nd rax going up for FBH
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Academy and gas is going up for FBH
Lings trying to deny scouting SCV
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Zero taking his 2nd gas already, Lair in progress
3rd rax going up for FBH
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wtf why isnt FBH meching,
he is revolutionising TvZ
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FBH moving out with about halfdozen rines, 1 medic and 1 fb
HES TRYING TO BREAK THE NAT
unfortunately the sunken gets up
ZERO SNIPES THE FIREBAT
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YES NCIE LING BEAK
FBH is gonna have a low mnm count for the mutas
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typical fbh style, adding 2 more raxes
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United States10774 Posts
fbh's tvz is seriously beasty
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Separating the Firebat and the Medic cost FBH an easy win.
That was almost a really good counter by Zero. But he ended up burning a lot of lings.
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Swank micro there from FBH to defend the ling counterattack.
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T_T
fbh
You need to take this.
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FBH has some pretty nice mnm micro
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Both of these players move very well.
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what the hell that last marine was invincible
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ZERO PMUMPED OUT LINGS
MOVING INTO FBH'S NAT, TAKES OUT A LARGE PORTION OF FBH'S FORCE
but loses all of his own lings
Spire is up for Zero, Mutas should pop out soon
5th rax going up for FBH, and turrets are also going up
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hero firebat from firebathero
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FBH's mnm micro is so good. It's ridiculous.
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First batch of mutalisks are out
FBH moving out with an mmf force to Zero's nat, but it's spotted by mutas
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cute turret placement at natural
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On December 17 2008 15:42 OneOther wrote:
fbh's tvz is seriously beasty
Yeah seriously, he gets mm and fbats wit stim up so quickly. Zero was lucky even to have that one sunken pop up in time.
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thats why you attack from the left!
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mmf force got picked off by mutas, but rine reinforcements come and drive off mutas
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Muta micro is doing pretty well
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Great micro from both players in this game!
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Ok no he's getting careless now
keep your cool Zero
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Zero is pumping out mutas
Port is up for FBH
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comon zeor epxand
OMG SICK MUTA LING
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Mutaling taking out FBH's MNM force
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Pandabearguy watching zero owning fbh's army :D
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ROFL Z ERO NICE ling/muta combo
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5 barrack mm: no match for muta ling
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MUTALING AT FBH'S NAT TAKING OUT ALL OF HIS ARMY
MORE LINGS MOVING INTO THE NAT
FBH FORCED TO LIFT CC
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Zero has really sharp control.
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omg FBH is getting slaughtered in a straight up MNM v Muta contest
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Did any one read that News post about YGOSU and what they found about the mutalisk wyrm glave?
It always goes down and to the left, so it's always better to try and hit mm groups from the left side. Otherwise the glave sweeps over to the other end of the group and kills rhines that are the most farther from you mutas.
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MUTALING DESTROYING THE LAST OF FBH'S ARMY, ALL TURRETS GOING DOWN
MUTALING GIVEN A LOT OF FREEDOM TO WREAK HAVOC IN FBH'S MAIN
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Aaaaah, Zero, how'd you let that Ebay survive?
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I was hoping for an ACE but honestly this works too
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Bunker being repaired by a few SCVs drive off the mutaling attack
FBH stuck in his base with a fairly small mnm force
Zero taking his third
Evo chamber and hydra den going up for Zero
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CC is returning to FBH's nat
Mutalisk force still roaming about, harassing FBH
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On December 17 2008 15:46 Qwertify wrote:
Did any one read that News post about YGOSU and what they found about the mutalisk wyrm glave?
It always goes down and to the left, so it's always better to try and hit mm groups from the left side. Otherwise the glave sweeps over to the other end of the group and kills rhines that are the most farther from you mutas.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that everyone above 200 posts here has read Losing's translation.
Edit: Poor Losing. Thanks Carnac.
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On December 17 2008 15:45 IdrA wrote:
5 barrack mm: no match for muta ling
but they said his +1 was almost done = (
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it's not over yet....
please don't lose this zero. hope your lurk tech kicks in in time.
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Zero is throwing away his advantage. He needs some tech.
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First vessel out
Irradiate on the muta stack
Zero's third being saturated
Zero starting up his hive
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Wow, nice control from FBH. Clawing his way back a bit.
Oh geez, nm, just lost a lot of scvs.
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wow he split that irradiated muta fast
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Wow, that muta split was so good.
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zero pulls out the irradiated muta instantly, damn he's good.
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sounds like zero has a huge lead.
3-1 stars. very strong performance over khan. who knows, maybe if stork didn't cheese it could've been 3-0.
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Really smart to move out and not get contained by FBH.
and armor upgrade - -;; fuckn armor upgrade.
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On December 17 2008 15:48 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:46 Qwertify wrote:
Did any one read that News post about YGOSU and what they found about the mutalisk wyrm glave?
It always goes down and to the left, so it's always better to try and hit mm groups from the left side. Otherwise the glave sweeps over to the other end of the group and kills rhines that are the most farther from you mutas. Yes, I'm pretty sure that everyone above 200 posts here has read OneOther's LosingID8's translation. fixed
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LURKS TAKING OUT A HUGE CHUNK OF MNM
MNM also takes out most of Zero's mutas
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ohh dear lord Zero how are you ....
What is happening D :
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
zero had bad econ probably
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fbh has his nat running and is staying in this. if only zero can spare 2 lurks to send to fbh's nat...
zero loses his 3rd. shit.
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Lurkling trying to defend Zero's bases, and failing for the most part
FBH taking down Zero's third with mnm + vessel
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Holy fucking FBH! He's making a game out of this.
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United States10774 Posts
LOL fbh is so good at tvz. it's fucking imba
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Holy shit FBH's TvZ is so good.
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? FBH BACK THE FUCK IN IT.
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haha fbh is coming back
or maybe hes intentionally giving zero a head start and lure him into a false sense of hope
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Zero threw all his units at that bunker... earlier on
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YES!! FBH coming back in this.
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OMFG FBH FUCKING WIN THIS
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Wow, FBH is seriously amazing TvZ -_-;;
He timed his attack and upgrades perfectly.
Fast 1-1 Marines are god mode.
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Oh my gosh Zero Izer I want to kill you for pissing away that advantage so badly.
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defiler mound up for Zero
FBH still moving in with his mnm + vessel + tank force
another CC going up for FBH
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FBH irradiates defilers as soon as they pop
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Zero's first defiler gets irradiated.
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On December 17 2008 15:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? FBH BACK THE FUCK IN IT.
not only is he back in it he's far, far ahead lol
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dropship to finish it off
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Vessels get an irradiate on the first defiler
Zero trying to rebuild third
FBH's army waiting outside of Zero's nat
DROPSHIP INCOMING, FBH DROPS A MNM FORCE INTO ZERO'S MAIN
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dropship for fbh scourge barely doesnt see dropps a bunch right on drones
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COMMENTATORS ARE RIGHT! this IS BONWJA SENSE!
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Zero ate that drop like nobody's business.
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FBH flipped the game quite nicely.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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what in the world just happened
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The drop is ineffective, gets taken out by a rushing group of lings
FBH MOVING INTO THE NAT
Zero GGs
Khan 2-2 Stars
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT EPIC COMEBACK GG
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GG!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A COMEBACK
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ZerO getting RAAAAAAPPPPPPPPEDDDD
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GG YES
FUCKING ACE
fbh=imba @this
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BEST COMEBACK EVER KEKEKEKEKE
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Zero looks disspinted/pissed
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But it doesn't matter. Holy shit, FBH is so so so so so so good.
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Holy moly that was quite a comeback. FBH you have my respect.
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fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
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damn... the lurker transition was too late 
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That was fucking inspired play from firebathero.
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GG YES!!
What a comeback. I really didn't think he'd come back after ZerO was all up in his main.
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What the fuck...are you kidding me? ZerO took down FBH's nat, did a huge harras...and lost? Goddamn.
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On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
Both, isn't that obvious?
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holy shit, he is good. what a comeback.
although i will give mad props to the zerg. he played reallll good
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
FBH you rock
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how in the hell FBH win this game!!! heheheh fkng good nick
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wtf every game has a zerg and not a single zerg win T_T
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FBH played very well,
but he wouldnt have had a chance if Zero didnt throw away that enormous lead...
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naw man FBH had amazing macro + micro
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FBH continues to be my favorite player.
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On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
shut the fuck up, FBH had to play that PERFECTLY to comeback in that game. give credit where it's due.
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On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
FBH DIDNT PLAY GOOD? LOL
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On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
There was a point in there (like when the ebay lifted) that any other player would have given up. But FBH didn't give up and that's why they're in Ace right now. Not mention the fact that FBH made the most of the lull, making perfect decisions and ripping apart Zero's post-muta choices.
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Kennigit
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too many vessels outt argh ggs
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beastly play FBH. that definately lit up the nights proleague
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On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
Whatever makes you sleep at night
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Stork vs free ace :o I hope!
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United States10774 Posts
i wanna see jangbi just because i haven't seen him tonight lOl
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even though i think it lookedl ike zero had advantage he lost ALOT of units and FBH still had his second cc and 5rax so his macro was only shortly delayed and zero was switchign to lurkers with hardly any units on the field, FBH saw his timing and took down his third.
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Omg! FBH's Samsung team is not surprised at all. No one getting one, no one excited AS IF THIS WAS EXPECTED OF FBH LOL!
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I feel like there's a much more elegant way to chose Aces other then pencil and paper.
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Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft.
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Zero wanted Free to win the ace match and have the final glory, clearly zero is great humanitarian and teammate.
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free[gm] and Stork in the ace?
Anyways, what a comeback from WoongjinStars from like half a year ago. I think they were worse than eStro back then. Now they are challenging KHAN for the Ace.
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ok fbh played good... but zero pissed the game away.... all his lurkers burrowed 5 seconds too late .... even when irridiated.... hurting everything
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wtf happened?! I was half-watching and see fbh has his nat cc lifted into his main and has a ton of mutas and lings and shit in it, and i look back five mins later and he just pwns everything and wins
fbhvz is imba
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i hate fbh but i admit that was some sick play. saving that engy bay turned out to basically win the game...
zero could have done so many things...get 3rd quicker, switch to lurks quicker, get hive quicker, send lurks to harass after bfh moved out....but "could haves" don't win games.
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No, FBH succeed.
Zero played fine but FBH attacked with armor and raped the lurker tech switch.
Then he lost control of the game obv.
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The CC lifting is just a pure crap. this is the only thing that give FBH the victory.
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this is how much m&m micro can get u...
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Kentor
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jeez it wasnt THAT BIG of an advantage at the beginning.
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On December 17 2008 15:55 YEAHHHH BOIIII wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away Whatever makes you sleep at night
Totally. Zero did a 'closer' build. Early +1 for mutas, hardcore muta/ling and it worked, but then he spent at least 4 rounds of each hatchery continuing to make muta/ling instead of drone/den/carpace/3rd. Which was exactly the only thing he could do that would give fbh a chance.
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On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft.
ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads.
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On December 17 2008 15:55 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away shut the fuck up, FBH had to play that PERFECTLY to comeback in that game. give credit where it's due.
like i said zero pissed it away... with that kind of lead i would've expected a longer match... but everything went downhill when he tried to attack the bunker in the main.. lost more than he gained ever since
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On December 17 2008 15:57 Weryeery wrote:
The CC lifting is just a pure crap. this is the only thing that give FBH the victory.
He only pretended to be behind to make the game LOOK epic =p
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On December 17 2008 15:57 Weryeery wrote:
The CC lifting is just a pure crap. this is the only thing that give FBH the victory.
Lol nerf terran
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Free vs Jangbi?
Man, Free's PvP is so shaky.
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On December 17 2008 15:55 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away shut the fuck up, FBH had to play that PERFECTLY to comeback in that game. give credit where it's due.
no, not at all
zero threw that out the window the moment he decided to allin with muta ling vs 5 barrack mm + a buncha turrets
fbh wasnt getting down his ramp forever with 12 mutas out there, zero just had to exp once or twice and go lurk and the game was over. instead he threw away all his units without anything to fall back on. anyone couldve hit that timing window.
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OMG...my stream cut out as FBH was moving his MnM out after finally stopping the fucking mutas...
UGH. Fuck my internet.
On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away
I don't like moronic FBH haters like you.
Give credit where it's due, you closed-minded dumbass.
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On December 17 2008 15:56 SuperJongMan wrote:
No, FBH succeed.
Zero played fine but FBH attacked with armor and raped the lurker tech switch.
Then he lost control of the game obv.
QFT, I hate people degrading the much deserved win by excusing the other player's FEW TINY FLAWS
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On December 17 2008 15:55 ShloobeR wrote:
FBH played very well,
but he wouldnt have had a chance if Zero didnt throw away that enormous lead...
Did Zero throw it away or did FBH take it away?
Think about it, don't let your bias get in the way.
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On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads.
BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old
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On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft.
this felt like games like 4 years ago, when terran was perfectly fine off 1-2 bases and zergs usually had 2-3. zero got his 3rd and made tech switches so late that, once fbh landed his nat again, never could keep up the momentum.
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On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads.
Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable.
Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done.
It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled.
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Zero shouldn't have thrown away his mutas into turrets should have used the map control to expand but eh
way to go fbh
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On December 17 2008 15:59 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old
good for you lol. i don't see how you can claim that game shows imbalance when zero does some stupid build that's supposed to kill fbh with 5 rax and turrets.
OH COOL VIDEO
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It is because zero cut drones to go mass muta early with 2 bases. FBH FE and If defended it successfully, he will be ahead which he did.
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That ebay save was the key to FBH's victory.
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Guys, can't we just all agree that ZerO sucks?
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On December 17 2008 16:00 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:59 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old good for you lol. i don't see how you can claim that game shows imbalance when zero does some stupid build that's supposed to kill fbh with 5 rax and turrets. OH COOL VIDEO
gimmie a sec ill post it
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On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled.
it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it.
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On December 17 2008 16:01 Baddieko wrote:
It is because zero cut drones to go mass muta early with 2 bases. FBH FE and If defended it successfully, he will be ahead which he did.
exactly. didn't lose scvs or cc. midgame was amazing also
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On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft.
this felt like games like 4 years ago, when terran was perfectly fine off 1-2 bases and zergs usually had 2-3. zero got his 3rd and made tech switches so late that, once fbh landed his nat again, never could keep up the momentum.
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Both sides are correct, FBH played extremely well, but that dont change the fact that Zero fucked up.
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am i crazy in saying that fbh is the true neoboxer.
he always has some sort of crazy build, has good micro (like old boxer). seems to like dropships alot
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On December 17 2008 15:56 snapcrackle wrote:
ok fbh played good... but zero pissed the game away.... all his lurkers burrowed 5 seconds too late .... even when irridiated.... hurting everything
Yeh I noticed, that was pretty bad. And why did he keep trying to take on FBH's mm group head on? He should have continued to harass around his main and natural and kept him busy while he got into macro mode.
Well I think it was ZerO not being so sure how to take handle his own advantage. I guess he just got sloppy and then he got out of his kind of game rhythm. FBH just took advantage of ZerO's inexperience - which made him look really really good. But then again, he probably made it look alot easier then it looked. I doubt anyone would be able to come back so well, even when ZerO began to throw they game.
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On December 17 2008 16:01 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:00 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old good for you lol. i don't see how you can claim that game shows imbalance when zero does some stupid build that's supposed to kill fbh with 5 rax and turrets. OH COOL VIDEO gimmie a sec ill post it
will it be better than 99% of your posts - aka worthless spamming in live report threads?
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On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft.
fbh+never=doesnt match
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No, not this Zerg commercial again. T_T
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On December 17 2008 15:58 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:55 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:54 snapcrackle wrote:
fbh didnt play good... zero just pissed it away shut the fuck up, FBH had to play that PERFECTLY to comeback in that game. give credit where it's due. no, not at all zero threw that out the window the moment he decided to allin with muta ling vs 5 barrack mm + a buncha turrets fbh wasnt getting down his ramp forever with 12 mutas out there, zero just had to exp once or twice and go lurk and the game was over. instead he threw away all his units without anything to fall back on. anyone couldve hit that timing window.
exactly what i'm saying.... had he taken some thought he would've expanded ... kind of like the game with anytime vs sea. anytime knew sea was turtling and kept him turtling with dt's. sure its pvt as opposed to zvt but sime idea. That attack on the bunker in the main was just being greedy.
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On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it.
KK, but it's not OMG FBH played GODLY. Don't get too excited, it was only special because of the lackluster midgame performance by Zero.
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let this game and Jaedong vs Flash be a lesson not to try to force a win.
the key mistake that Zero made was trying to win immediately. Zero made an excellent choice to go mass muta+ling while FBH was being aggressive in the early-mid game. This gave Zero the opportunity to crush FBH's middle army and immediately put pressure back on FBH. Zero was doing an excellent job of crushing the expansion as well.
HOWEVER
Right when zero looked like he was about to win, i began to cringe as i looked at the minimap. I saw streams of units continuing to flow up from Zero's base. THAT'S SUCH A BAD IDEA. The instant FBH lifted that CC, Zero should have immediately been powering drones and expanding. This would have guaranteed a win in about 6-7 minutes.
However, clearly Zero's eyes got big and he tried to end the game asap. After FBH barely held the key attack, Zero realized the game wasn't over. At that point, Zero began to play smart again. However, the decision making and focus of FBH was top-notch for the remainder of the game and it was just a bit too much. Don't bash Zero for throwing away a game. He made the mistake to try an all-in when it wasn't necessary. Before AND after that mistake, Zero played quite well.
On the same note, consider Jaedong vs Flash (was played like an hour ago). Jaedong made a really strong push into Flash's main and Flash was in the same situation: only 2 goliaths + SCV trying to hold off a zerg onslaugh. However, when the observer went back to jaedong's main, there were TONS of drones and jaedong was adding on hatcheries and expansions. There were virtually NO attacking units being made anywhere. Jaedong completely gave flash the opportunity to rebuild his main. Again, about 5 minutes later, Jaedong was able to win the game extremely easily with 4base vs 1base play. I was re-amazed at how solid Jaedong's decision making is especially against one of his "arch rivals"
RECAP: don't try to force the win. read my article "The Marginal Advantage." Its exactly what i'm talking about =X
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On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled.
Well for one he put turrets in the right place to keep his raxes and popping marines safe. It's not imbalance at all, zero got a bit bloodthirsty and threw his army away instead of cementing an econ advantage and teching faster.
LOL as I write this there is a cartoon zerg bawwing on the stream
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On December 17 2008 16:03 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. KK, but it's not OMG FBH played GODLY. Don't get too excited, it was only special because of the lackluster midgame performance by Zero.
yeah i got ahead of myself there lol
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On December 17 2008 16:02 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:01 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:00 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old good for you lol. i don't see how you can claim that game shows imbalance when zero does some stupid build that's supposed to kill fbh with 5 rax and turrets. OH COOL VIDEO gimmie a sec ill post it will it be better than 99% of your posts - aka worthless spamming in live report threads?
LOL
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He played a hyper aggressive low eco terran vs a low eco 3 hat lair game.
He did his only option, defend. Not to mention he risked everything pushing out when he did, a strong counter would have shut down his natural again. He used scvs on both sides of themap to determine low troop counts, and then cut of zerg from his late third.
He also pulled out 1/1 grades when most terran would have been struggling just to stay in the game.
He also pulled his CC to his main soon enough to insure it didn't die.
FBH macroed and timmed very well, and once the preasure started he didn't give the zerg a chance to counter. There is no imbalance midgame ZvT esp bionic vs muta, don't be stupid.
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who thinks fbh for next starleague champion?
starting the campaign now, so i can say "first!" when he's on the big stage, check in one hand and a babe in another.
FBH FOR '09 BONJWA.
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DUDE was that bisu playing sudden attack?
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On December 17 2008 15:58 IdrA wrote:
no, not at all
zero threw that out the window the moment he decided to allin with muta ling vs 5 barrack mm + a buncha turrets
fbh wasnt getting down his ramp forever with 12 mutas out there, zero just had to exp once or twice and go lurk and the game was over. instead he threw away all his units without anything to fall back on. anyone couldve hit that timing window.
amen
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On December 17 2008 16:03 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:02 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:00 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old good for you lol. i don't see how you can claim that game shows imbalance when zero does some stupid build that's supposed to kill fbh with 5 rax and turrets. OH COOL VIDEO gimmie a sec ill post it will it be better than 99% of your posts - aka worthless spamming in live report threads? LOL
LOL = "shit how did he know?"
haha
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Other terrans will just give up when their barracks get taken by zerg. FBH was just barely surviving with each marine coming out off barrack.
And coming back from that state AND coming out to center at that stage is just gut move by FBH.
Every other terran would've turtled after regaining the natural expansion and try to harrass his way back in to the game.
Instead FBH knows how to win the game, he sees longer into the game. Even if he defends for few more minutes would not change anything. Therefore he decided to move his force out to the center which became the golden move because he out-microed Zero like hell.
Not many terrans can do this.
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anyway to know how the last time these 2 teams met up, what went down ? searching tlpd has proven quite difficult
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On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled.
It's not imbalance, its Zero being an idiot. Anyone can turtle - the counter to turtling is to take expansions and power drones. Did Zero do that? Not early enough. Thats why he lost. Not due to TvZ imbalance (maybe FBH imbalance yea).
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On December 17 2008 16:02 spydernoob wrote:
am i crazy in saying that fbh is the true neoboxer.
he always has some sort of crazy build, has good micro (like old boxer). seems to like dropships alot
FBH is a macro oriented player. Therefore he cannot be Neo Boxer.
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On December 17 2008 16:03 Day[9] wrote:
let this game and Jaedong vs Flash be a lesson not to try to force a win.
Thanks for ruining the game for me.
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Harmony is sort of a Terran map. I think FBH will be Khan's ace.
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On December 17 2008 16:03 Day[9] wrote:
let this game and Jaedong vs Flash be a lesson not to try to force a win.
the key mistake that Zero made was trying to win immediately. Zero made an excellent choice to go mass muta+ling while FBH was being aggressive in the early-mid game. This gave Zero the opportunity to crush FBH's middle army and immediately put pressure back on FBH. Zero was doing an excellent job of crushing the expansion as well.
HOWEVER
Right when zero looked like he was about to win, i began to cringe as i looked at the minimap. I saw streams of units continuing to flow up from Zero's base. THAT'S SUCH A BAD IDEA. The instant FBH lifted that CC, Zero should have immediately been powering drones and expanding. This would have guaranteed a win in about 6-7 minutes.
However, clearly Zero's eyes got big and he tried to end the game asap. After FBH barely held the key attack, Zero realized the game wasn't over. At that point, Zero began to play smart again. However, the decision making and focus of FBH was top-notch for the remainder of the game and it was just a bit too much. Don't bash Zero for throwing away a game. He made the mistake to try an all-in when it wasn't necessary. Before AND after that mistake, Zero played quite well.
On the same note, consider Jaedong vs Flash (was played like an hour ago). Jaedong made a really strong push into Flash's main and Flash was in the same situation: only 2 goliaths + SCV trying to hold off a zerg onslaugh. However, when the observer went back to jaedong's main, there were TONS of drones and jaedong was adding on hatcheries and expansions. There were virtually NO attacking units being made anywhere. Jaedong completely gave flash the opportunity to rebuild his main. Again, about 5 minutes later, Jaedong was able to win the game extremely easily with 4base vs 1base play. I was re-amazed at how solid Jaedong's decision making is especially against one of his "arch rivals"
RECAP: don't try to force the win. read my article "The Marginal Advantage." Its exactly what i'm talking about =X
I havent read this yet but I'm pretty sure its a spoiler.
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Nice post Day[9]
ACE MATCH HERE WE GO
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On December 17 2008 16:04 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:03 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:02 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:00 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. BM fools like you want me to stay out of any threads your in, i have a video os you BMing like a fucking 13 year old good for you lol. i don't see how you can claim that game shows imbalance when zero does some stupid build that's supposed to kill fbh with 5 rax and turrets. OH COOL VIDEO gimmie a sec ill post it will it be better than 99% of your posts - aka worthless spamming in live report threads? LOL LOL = "shit how did he know?" haha
i believe LOL means LOL
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Hmm Jangbi vs Zero...
Hope this is an epic game
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Jangbi Zero? i cant quite see
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On December 17 2008 16:03 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. KK, but it's not OMG FBH played GODLY. Don't get too excited, it was only special because of the lackluster midgame performance by Zero. people get excited when players they cheer for make a comeback, whatever the reason for that comeback may be. don't read too much into it...
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Jangbi vs Zero... didn't someone call that earlier?
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United States10774 Posts
wow, just the matchup i was looking for!
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day is right, but when you're a kid (probably nervous as heck out there) against the best tvz'er in the day, and you have such a huge lead, it's hard to not try to go for the win.
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jangbi and zero for the ace =(
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On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it.
You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame.
By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually.
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lol shame they didnt send fbh. oh well jangbi is good vs zerg
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Holy crap they're BOTH on my fantasy team. I might actually score points this week!
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Well, Zero seems to be Hanbit's Harmony player.
He's beat some badasses before. ~_~
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Jangbi's keyboard is so awesome.
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On December 17 2008 16:03 Day[9] wrote:
HOWEVER
Right when zero looked like he was about to win, i began to cringe as i looked at the minimap. I saw streams of units continuing to flow up from Zero's base. THAT'S SUCH A BAD IDEA. The instant FBH lifted that CC, Zero should have immediately been powering drones and expanding. This would have guaranteed a win in about 6-7 minutes.
THIS
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United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually.
i didn't say anything because racial imbalance wasn't in discussion...i was just getting excited by fbh's comeback
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lol they should have sent FBH again. Zero morale will be crushed by that comeback.
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On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually.
He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb
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zero's been sent out for ace 3 times in a row now. the last two times, he lost. CAN HE TRIUMPH?
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No Protoss over Zerg wins on Harmony or Neo Harmony in TLPD (only 2 wins for zerg over toss though).
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Jangbi, another z-killer facing zero..
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Yes! I was hoping for a non-PvP. This should be a good measuring stick for Jangbi's PvZ.
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Zero redeem yourself after that last game... i still stand by my last statement... FBH didn't win, Zero lost.
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When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention.
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Jangbi 0-1 all-time vs. Zero
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Anyways - I was about to say this earlier, FBH is arguably the best TvZer in the world right now, and that game really helped his case. FBH's decision making and game sense once he got put into a really tight spot (mutaling raid taking out nat), from that point on, was completely s-class, he remained calm, cool, collected, and I do sincerely think many other Terrans would have lost right then and there. Yes, Zero made some mistakes no doubt, we all know what he should have done, but still, you can't take away FBH's win there. He is one of the best in the game right now.
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On December 17 2008 16:07 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually. He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb
hey dude, stick to useless live reporting like "ZERRRRRRRRRRO" or "LOOOOOOOOOOOL." maybe you can reach 5000 posts doing just that
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On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention.
wtf winning is always the best advertisement.
edit: I guess I shouldn't be surprised that is your opinion given your username...
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On December 17 2008 16:09 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:07 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually. He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb hey dude, stick to useless live reporting like "ZERRRRRRRRRRO" or "LOOOOOOOOOOOL." maybe you can reach 5000 posts doing just that
lolumad
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
A few fun facts:
Protoss has never beat zerg on either Harmony or Neo Harmony.
Jangbi has gone 8-2 PvZ in his last 10, but he lost his last game (vs. Effort)
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On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention.
and getting pwned is so much better <_<
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Must believe in ZerO, like i believed on RoRo
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United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:09 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:07 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually. He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb hey dude, stick to useless live reporting like "ZERRRRRRRRRRO" or "LOOOOOOOOOOOL." maybe you can reach 5000 posts doing just that lolumad
more like laughing after looking at your post history, lol
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On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention.
are you kidding?
he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad.
which is preferable?
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On December 17 2008 16:07 SuperJongMan wrote:
Well, Zero seems to be Hanbit's Harmony player.
He's beat some badasses before. ~_~
Someone's really late...
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:09 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:07 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually. He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb hey dude, stick to useless live reporting like "ZERRRRRRRRRRO" or "LOOOOOOOOOOOL." maybe you can reach 5000 posts doing just that lolumad
Aren't you, like, proving his point?
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why is it zero again? >< i want free. but i guess in this case jangbi vs zero is a lot better than jangbi vs free. otherwise they need to start sending out free in ace more ;o
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On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention.
What the hell kind of reasoning is this? A win's a win.
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anyone who can "win like jaedong" will get attention...
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On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention.
This is the most garbage post I've read in a long time. No zerg in the fucking world, playing for a pro team thinks, ok I have two roads, maybe win or 100% win, I'm going to choose maybe so I get more fans.
No zero misjudged fbh's defensive capablities period. Are you fucking kidding me, every zerg in the god damn world would DIE to be able to win like an inshape jaedong.
I'm sorry but unless this was a joke you are actually a retard.
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On December 17 2008 16:10 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. are you kidding? he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad. which is preferable?
Stop practicing so much, all you have to do is start dancing around and CJ will put you in the PL lineup all the time.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Maybe Zero lost cause he was too busy preparing for the ace match :o
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On a side note the game reminds me of what Jaedong several months back where he tried to force a win right when he had the advantage which would sometimes backfire. Glad to see Jaedong is maturing up and taking his time to analyze things differently lately even though he hasn't been racking up wins back to back. If Zero can do this it would be interesting.
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On December 17 2008 16:10 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. are you kidding? he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad. which is preferable?
If he won that game, his popularity (and confidence) would've tripled by winning with style rather than just straight up game.
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On December 17 2008 16:12 KreaGata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. What the hell kind of reasoning is this? A win's a win.
i think what hes talking about is that you need to separate yourself from the crowd. What if FBH never danced in Savior's face? He wouldn't be well known at all.
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Wonder if we'll see cheese from KHAN; it hasn't failed them in quite a while.
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+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, I was really glad at Jaedong's win today. He stayed completely composed. I hope this marks an upswing for him.
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On December 17 2008 16:13 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:10 IdrA wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. are you kidding? he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad. which is preferable? If he won that game, his popularity (and confidence) would've tripled by winning with style rather than just straight up game.
Ok you are a fucking retard. Be quiet.
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On December 17 2008 16:13 OSWater wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:12 KreaGata wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. What the hell kind of reasoning is this? A win's a win. i think what hes talking about is that you need to separate yourself from the crowd. What if FBH never danced in Savior's face? He wouldn't be well known at all.
eh.... zero dont look like the attention grabber type
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On December 17 2008 16:13 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:10 IdrA wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. are you kidding? he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad. which is preferable? If he won that game, his popularity (and confidence) would've tripled by winning with style rather than just straight up game.
Dear god I hope you're not being serious -_-
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On December 17 2008 16:13 motbob wrote:
Maybe Zero lost cause he was too busy preparing for the ace match :o
haha it'd be so funny if he knew he was going to be ace before his game...
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Uhh, what a horrible night for Zerg users
I hope this recent trend doesn't continue for long.
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On December 17 2008 16:10 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:07 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually. He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb hey dude, stick to useless live reporting like "ZERRRRRRRRRRO" or "LOOOOOOOOOOOL." maybe you can reach 5000 posts doing just that lolumad more like laughing after looking at your post history, lol
Dude OneOther you don't even need to waste time talking to this Reach-hater, he will get banned sooner or later anyway. It really isn't worth your time. He is just a troll who thrives on pissing us off...
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:13 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:10 IdrA wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. are you kidding? he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad. which is preferable? If he won that game, his popularity (and confidence) would've tripled by winning with style rather than just straight up game.
Yeah but he didn't win, now he has one more loss on his record, he'll probably be paid less because of it, he'll have less respect in his progaming house, and his coach will be pissed cause he threw away the win.
There aren't enough words to describe how wrong you are.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
why is this thread so full of all different sorts of morons? -.-
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I'm pretty sure if you win games and play well, you'll get attention. And FBH gets lots of attention because he's amazing at TvZ and TvT. Sure, his shenanigans throw him into the top-tier of stardom, but he'd be well known regardless.
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On December 17 2008 16:15 Carnac wrote:
why is this thread so full of all different sorts of morons? -.-
Welcome to every KHAN live thread lol
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That's Zero for Ace, right? He does *not* look confident.
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On December 17 2008 16:13 EntertainMe wrote:
If he won that game, his popularity (and confidence) would've tripled by winning with style rather than just straight up game.
This is ridiculous.
What happened is that Zero overestimated his advantage after quite effective muta/ling play and went in for a killing blow that turned out not to be there, due in part to FBH's ridiculous TvZ. There's not really much else to be said and this psychoanalysis is just absurd.
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INTRO IS STARTING (so stop arguing and watch some SC)
EPIC ACE MATCH MUSIC PLAYING
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... Whatever, Zero is sick.
I find him the coolest out of all the zergs trying to make a name this season.
It's just rough cuz Woongjin uses him like they did Free last seasons.
And if anything in the game is fuckn imba, it's bunkers. WTF IS THAT SHIT?
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On December 17 2008 16:13 OSWater wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:12 KreaGata wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. What the hell kind of reasoning is this? A win's a win. i think what hes talking about is that you need to separate yourself from the crowd. What if FBH never danced in Savior's face? He wouldn't be well known at all.
the dance was just the icing on the domination cake, even without it fbh would still be popular.
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this is a freaking retarded argument... a win is a win and thats all that matters.saying he wouldve gotten more fans if he won in a flashier way is a moot point. in the end he lost and he lost fans compared to if he just won...
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:15 Carnac wrote:
why is this thread so full of all different sorts of morons? -.-
Haha, wondering that too... I'm feeling pretty good after that last game so I've left the banstick alone for now.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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What is goingon?? Can someone fill me in??
I rushed out like a madman to get some food to enjoy the game. Then I saw ZerO upset, I thought he lost, but then I saw Jangbi ready to go again. WTH going on??
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On December 17 2008 16:15 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:10 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:07 EleanorRIgby wrote:On December 17 2008 16:06 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 16:01 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:59 QibingZero wrote:On December 17 2008 15:58 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 15:56 QibingZero wrote:
Well, in all my years of starcraft, I don't believe I've seen a glaring imbalance like that. You seriously can't claim FBH did a single thing that any other terran could not have done. Sure, Zero made some mistakes, but should a terran be able to turtle on 1 base after losing that much and come out victorious? Never, in competitive starcraft. ignorant fools like you make me stay out of live reporting threads. Explain how that game was anywhere near reasonable. Explain exactly what FBH did that any other pro terran could not have done. It's absolutely ridiculous for people to go around hyping FBH as if he did something special that game. It was part Zero throwing the game away, and part Imbalance. It's not as if FBH did something amazing to 'get himself back in the game'. He fucking turtled. it's basically what idra said. i think zero blew his lead by not taking a quicker third + getting lurkers earlier and solidifying his advantage. instead he tries to kill fbh with more muta/ling...i mean how does that exactly show racial imbalance? fbh played well, zero kinda blew it. You didn't say anything even remotely like that before Idra chimed in, though. Calling me out when my original response to the game (note: not to you) was more in line with what he said than what you were going on about (OMG FBH SO GOOD, PERFECT PLAY, etc) - that's lame. By the way, Zero's 'all-in' wasn't even that strange. You have a clear advantage, and it looks like your opponent is about to gg. You kill off the remaining army, and force the gg. Usually. He tends to talk shit and be BM, you shoulda seen him spamming when he got 2-0'd by some newb hey dude, stick to useless live reporting like "ZERRRRRRRRRRO" or "LOOOOOOOOOOOL." maybe you can reach 5000 posts doing just that lolumad more like laughing after looking at your post history, lol Dude OneOther you don't even need to waste time talking to this Reach-hater, he will get banned sooner or later anyway. It really isn't worth your time. He is just a troll who thrives on pissing us off...
LOL im a reach-hater
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Everybody please disregard the retards for a while.
I am hoping zero plays a high level game and we get another epic pvz from janbi, like vs effort.
Anybody knowledgable about zero's zvp please lemme know, is he sick?
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Okay, let's squash the retarded squabbling and hope for a great game!
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Anyways, game starting... JangBi ftw!!
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Extreme pre-game stretching, as well as -_- face engaging
AND THE MATCH HAS BEGUN
Jangbi is orange at 7
Zero is light blue at 1
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On December 17 2008 16:15 Carnac wrote:
why is this thread so full of all different sorts of morons? -.-
sports
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Here we go, Jangbi at 8 Zero at 2
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He has a bit of a point. Winning by gg when the hype is still high and the commentators are going nuts is a lot more stylish than 5 minutes of everyone saying 'well, it's only a matter of time... why won't FBH gg already?'
I don't think that really factored in, but the fact is: most players will gg once they've literally lost all their attacking units.
Anyhow, on to the ace.
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Belgium9945 Posts
Game starting!
Map is Neo Harmony
Zero at top right
Jangbi at bottom left
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basically
bunker (and scv) > ZerO
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On December 17 2008 16:15 Carnac wrote:
why is this thread so full of all different sorts of morons? -.-
Welcome to LR threads...
Though this one is somewhat worse than usual.
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hAYYYYYYYYYY GUYZ
ISNT FEBH MAZIGN HWO DI DHE PUL THAT ONE OFF
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FUCKING SPOILER ALERT
On December 17 2008 16:14 KreaGata wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, I was really glad at Jaedong's win today. He stayed completely composed. I hope this marks an upswing for him.
Fucking spoiled it for me - i managed to dodge my eyes away on the last 2 spoiler posts but this one got me... grah...
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Jangbi builds pylon at nat (LOLWUT BISU BUILD?!)
Zero is going for a 12 hatch
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Jangbi forge FE
Zero 12 hatching
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On December 17 2008 16:16 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:13 OSWater wrote:On December 17 2008 16:12 KreaGata wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. What the hell kind of reasoning is this? A win's a win. i think what hes talking about is that you need to separate yourself from the crowd. What if FBH never danced in Savior's face? He wouldn't be well known at all. the dance was just the icing on the domination cake, even without it fbh would still be popular.
but not like he is now, the ceremonies is what normally brings attention to FBH. I'm sure not one of us looked at his record before one of those dances. Sometimes you gotta do something extra to get that wow factor.
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Alright. Cross map positions. Come on, Jangbi, you know you want to go sair/reaver... into carrier/DA/Defiler.
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Belgium9945 Posts
Jangbi didnt scout Zero first obviously, going for a pylon-forge opening.
Zero 12 hatching, already slightly ahead
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Jangbi scouts ZerO with his probe, forge is going up for him
Pool going up for Zero
Nexus going up for Jangbi
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Jangbi lost to Effort on Colloseum.
That means Zero ez wins this.
Jangbi only looks good cuz he abused the crap outta Yarnc.
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On December 17 2008 16:18 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:FUCKING SPOILER ALERTShow nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:14 KreaGata wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, I was really glad at Jaedong's win today. He stayed completely composed. I hope this marks an upswing for him. Fucking spoiled it for me - i managed to dodge my eyes away on the last 2 spoiler posts but this one got me... grah...
Ah shit, I'm sorry man. I edited my post.
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On December 17 2008 16:13 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:10 IdrA wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. are you kidding? he rapes flash with nice straight up management play a few weeks ago and everyone is on his balls, he tries to allin on fbh and loses bad and everyones talking about how he played bad. which is preferable? If he won that game, his popularity (and confidence) would've tripled by winning with style rather than just straight up game.
lol
how is a muta ling allin more stylish than playing well?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Jangbi really likes selecting his forge... the noise is driving me crazy.
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You guys are right.
But still... Every progamer wants/needs to appeal themselves and poor eco/aggressive style zergs are the fastest way to appeal yourself. And that style comes with a risk. FBH was not famous because of his wins. UPmagic is not famous for his wins. Free is not famous for his wins. But rather for their distinguished style and aggressiveness.
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WHOA PROBE ALMOST TAKES OUT DRONE
Third base going up for Zero
Jangbi taking his gas
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Belgium9945 Posts
Zero adding gas after 2nd hatch.
Jangbi sees it. Jangbi doing some nice probe harass on Zero's drones.
Zero adds a third hatchery at the 12 o clock expansion.
Jangbi just proceeding with a standard FE build.
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Too much eyeliner on her.
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Lair started for Zero
Scouting probe is still alive
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On December 17 2008 16:20 EntertainMe wrote:
You guys are right.
But still... Every progamer wants/needs to appeal themselves and poor eco/aggressive style zergs are the fastest way to appeal yourself. And that style comes with a risk. FBH was not famous because of his wins. UPmagic is not famous for his wins. Free is not famous for his wins. But rather for their distinguished style and aggressiveness.
How has this forum let you get this many posts, I only imagine how bad your other posts are.
Please stop.
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On December 17 2008 16:18 Realpenguin wrote:
Jangbi builds pylon at nat (LOLWUT BISU BUILD?!)
Zero is going for a 12 hatch
why is that bisu build already...? its just standard fe... which bisu didnt invent ;d bisu build is fe to corsair/dark templar ;d
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Gosh I want to learn how to do that Probe dance thing that Jangbi does :D
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Core finished for Jangbi
Jangbi starts building a Stargate
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
hmmm... this build is very econ oriented for Zero.... he almost has more hatches than lings.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:20 EntertainMe wrote:
You guys are right.
But still... Every progamer wants/needs to appeal themselves and poor eco/aggressive style zergs are the fastest way to appeal yourself. And that style comes with a risk. FBH was not famous because of his wins. UPmagic is not famous for his wins. Free is not famous for his wins. But rather for their distinguished style and aggressiveness.
Oh dear god please, stop posting and just watch the game -_-
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On December 17 2008 16:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
was that jangbi's gf?
If jangbi can have any girl he wants....why would he choose than one X( ?
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On December 17 2008 16:21 NahLGaE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:18 Realpenguin wrote:
Jangbi builds pylon at nat (LOLWUT BISU BUILD?!)
Zero is going for a 12 hatch why is that bisu build already...? its just standard fe... which bisu didnt invent ;d bisu build is fe to corsair/dark templar ;d
It's a joke on Klazart who would call Bisu Build whenever someone built pylon at nat
Citadel going up for Jangbi
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On December 17 2008 16:19 KreaGata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:18 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:FUCKING SPOILER ALERTOn December 17 2008 16:14 KreaGata wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, I was really glad at Jaedong's win today. He stayed completely composed. I hope this marks an upswing for him. Fucking spoiled it for me - i managed to dodge my eyes away on the last 2 spoiler posts but this one got me... grah... Ah shit, I'm sorry man. I edited my post.
Eh it's alright... don't feel too bad
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On December 17 2008 16:18 OSWater wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:16 mmgoose wrote:On December 17 2008 16:13 OSWater wrote:On December 17 2008 16:12 KreaGata wrote:On December 17 2008 16:09 EntertainMe wrote:
When you're not a very well known progamer, you have to appeal yourself to the audience. And playing by the safe decision is not a good way to appeal. Risky and sudden move like what Zero did in that game will be a much better decision for him, his confidence, and advertisement. Zero can win like Jaedong but that won't earn him much attention. What the hell kind of reasoning is this? A win's a win. i think what hes talking about is that you need to separate yourself from the crowd. What if FBH never danced in Savior's face? He wouldn't be well known at all. the dance was just the icing on the domination cake, even without it fbh would still be popular. but not like he is now, the ceremonies is what normally brings attention to FBH. I'm sure not one of us looked at his record before one of those dances. Sometimes you gotta do something extra to get that wow factor.
yeah, i guess that's why i also like zeus and chalrenge.
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On December 17 2008 16:21 NahLGaE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:18 Realpenguin wrote:
Jangbi builds pylon at nat (LOLWUT BISU BUILD?!)
Zero is going for a 12 hatch why is that bisu build already...? its just standard fe... which bisu didnt invent ;d bisu build is fe to corsair/dark templar ;d
He's being sarcastic
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Did Jangbi spot the 3rd base?
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PROBE JUST MISSES ZERO'S THIRD BASE
Jangbi building templar archives, and adding gates
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On December 17 2008 16:22 KreaGata wrote:
Did Jangbi spot the 3rd base?
he prob saw the creep? not sure
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On December 17 2008 16:21 Fontong wrote:If jangbi can have any girl he wants....why would he choose than one X( ?
Yeah, really. Maybe it's zero's hehe
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Belgium9945 Posts
Zero teching to Lair on 3 hatcheries, before speed.
Jangbi adds Stargate first.
Zero adds spire right when his lair finishes.
Jangbi adds a citadel shortly after his stargate, and takes his 2nd gas. Bisu buildddddd.
Jangbi's probe scouts the 12 o clock expansion, Zero's overlord scouts Jangbis tech.
Jangbi already adding templar archives and 2 extra gates, Zero's spire almost done.
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On December 17 2008 16:22 KreaGata wrote:
Did Jangbi spot the 3rd base?
yes he did
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On December 17 2008 16:20 EntertainMe wrote:
You guys are right.
But still... Every progamer wants/needs to appeal themselves and poor eco/aggressive style zergs are the fastest way to appeal yourself. And that style comes with a risk. FBH was not famous because of his wins. UPmagic is not famous for his wins. Free is not famous for his wins. But rather for their distinguished style and aggressiveness.
The main point is you can't do crotch dances if you lose. And you can't go into MSL selection ceremony acting like a big shot if you can't even qualify.
Sure, you can get style points for winning a certain way, but you have to win first. Also, Savior and Jaedong IMO are very boring personalities, but they have tons of fans because they WIN.
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Zero's play sloppy. He's letting drones sit around and that probe slide by his zerglings.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:22 Realpenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:21 NahLGaE wrote:On December 17 2008 16:18 Realpenguin wrote:
Jangbi builds pylon at nat (LOLWUT BISU BUILD?!)
Zero is going for a 12 hatch why is that bisu build already...? its just standard fe... which bisu didnt invent ;d bisu build is fe to corsair/dark templar ;d It's a joke on Klazart who would call Bisu Build whenever someone built pylon at nat Citadel going up for Jangbi
Hahaha, does he really? That's hilarious
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Lol what was that probe doing?
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Spire, den, and evo chamber up for Zero
Probe sees Zero's third
5 hatches up for Zero
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Jangbi's first hit is gonna be massive.
He got his gateways really fast with 2 cannons.
ZOMFG.
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On December 17 2008 16:22 Realpenguin wrote:
PROBE JUST MISSES ZERO'S THIRD BASE
Jangbi building templar archives, and adding gates
Yeah, he killed it in a good way too, not too desperate looking, which I'm sure happened by chance. But better for ZerO.
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zero going into some pretty heavy macro mode
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Scourge getting a real nice long look at Jangbi's base
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zeros doing the scourge into mass hydra thing
that doesnt seem all that smart on this map with the 3rd bases being beefed up. theres no way you can break those with hydra
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jangbi pushing out with like 2 goons, few zaelost and 2 archon
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Robo is going up for Jangbi
Jangbi loses sair to scourge, and is now moving out with 2 archons, 5 zlots, and 1 goon
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Belgium9945 Posts
Zero did some reaaaaally cute building block, not allowing Jangbi's probe from scouting the mutalisk tech.
Zero makes some scourge and techs hydra, Jangbi has 1 sair and not adding any more.
Jangbi's forge still not spinning, why the late +1? Jangbi moving out with 4 zealots 1 dragoon and 2 archons. Zero in big trouble here
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Scourge scouting around, they see... an archon? Why would Jangbi go archon? What evidence has there been that Zero is going muta?
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Yeah, first hit KO. -_-;; predictable.
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Zero has half the amount of hydra he's supposed to have.
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zero getting his 3rd raped
his face looks like :O
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Belgium9945 Posts
JANGBI ATTACKING ZEROS THIRD. A LOT OF HYDRAS AND DRONES GO DOWN, JANGBI IS RAPING THIS
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JANGBI GETS RIGHT INTO ZERO'S THIRD
HYDRA'S TRYING TO STOP THE FORCE
HYDRAS ARE GETTING TAKEN OUT BY THE ZEALOTS
THIS THIRD IS GOING DOWN
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On December 17 2008 16:25 motbob wrote:
Scourge scouting around, they see... an archon? Why would Jangbi go archon? What evidence has there been that Zero is going muta?
fast zeal/archon attacks are the new pvz trend
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the old archon zeal push trick
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This is a great attack from Jangbi. Whatever econ lead ZerO had is gone now.
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will zero pull a hero and comeback?
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oh geez too fast attacking timing from jangbi. zero's expo going down ;d
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oh god janbi a rather early timing push
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Since Zero doesn't have an army, Jangbi walkes up to his third and kills it.
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On December 17 2008 16:25 ShloobeR wrote:
the old archon zeal push trick
yeah its getting old
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2 base toss vs 2 base zerg. Hmmmmmm.......
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Waaay too greedy by Zero. He had plenty of time to prepare too :-/
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why do zergs always always die to the zeal/archon thing now
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Why did PvZ have to become so boring and predictable?
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ZerO is going to lose twice in a row and will feel responsible for this loss.
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Looking like a easy gg for zero. Nice timing by Jangbi.
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Zero decides to head back and just accumulate more hydras
Zero is very, very behind now. Jangbi leaving most of his army right outside Zero's nat
Jangbi is expanding again, taking a 3rd
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man jangbi's timing was perfect, this might be GG
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On December 17 2008 16:25 motbob wrote:
Scourge scouting around, they see... an archon? Why would Jangbi go archon? What evidence has there been that Zero is going muta?
you must have missed the last billion PvZs : (
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On December 17 2008 16:25 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:25 motbob wrote:
Scourge scouting around, they see... an archon? Why would Jangbi go archon? What evidence has there been that Zero is going muta? fast zeal/archon attacks are the new pvz trend
it's a counter to spire->hydra build, right? since lurkers come later than usual
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Great, great build and attack by Jangbi
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Belgium9945 Posts
THE 2 HATCHERIES AT THE 12 O CLOCK EXPANSION GO DOWN. ZERO IS MAJORLY CRIPPLED AND HAS A SMALL ARMY COMPARED TO JANGBI.
JANGBI PREPARING TO TAKE A THIRD.
Zero has lurkers now, but obs are already out.
Zero is so fucked.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
I need to know what "cru-cho" means... the commentators just shouted it in unison.
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hey what do you know, Jangbi is using his lead to expand - too bad zeros counter will work
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Sick storms this is over!
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wow this is already over O_o
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On December 17 2008 16:26 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:25 IdrA wrote:On December 17 2008 16:25 motbob wrote:
Scourge scouting around, they see... an archon? Why would Jangbi go archon? What evidence has there been that Zero is going muta? fast zeal/archon attacks are the new pvz trend it's a counter to spire->hydra build, right? since lurkers come later than usual
apparently it counters zerg right now -_-
we all know it's coming, and it still rapes.
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jangbi cuts through zero like a hot knife through butter
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Belgium9945 Posts
JANGBI MOVING INTO ZEROS NATURAL, STORMING THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING, ZERO LOSES EVERY UNIT HE HAD.
THE GG IS SECONDS AWAY
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ZerO is dead. Jangbi has sick timing.
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God Jangbi made that look so easy.
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On December 17 2008 16:25 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:25 motbob wrote:
Scourge scouting around, they see... an archon? Why would Jangbi go archon? What evidence has there been that Zero is going muta? fast zeal/archon attacks are the new pvz trend
Yep, it's been consistently winning Protosses games against all sorts of builds. I actually can't remember the last time I've seen it lose, although I'm sure I have recently.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
2nd time zero lost twice in 1 day in pl? man they gotta stop sending him
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Zero has.. well, zero units, nat getting raped, this is going to be GG any second
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Ling force scouts Jangbi's third and will take it out
JANGBI PUSHING INTO ZERO'S NAT WITH ZEAL/GOON/HT/ARCHON TAKING OUT ALL OF ZERO'S HYDRAS
DRONES ATTACKING IN DESPERATION
THIS NAT IS BEING BROKEN SO HARD THAT IT RESEMBLES SC2GG AFTER THE SHOWMATCH
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On December 17 2008 16:27 motbob wrote:
I need to know what "cru-cho" means... the commentators just shouted it in unison.
"I agree"
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Belgium9945 Posts
ZERO DRONEDRILLING INTO ARCHONS BEFORE GGING
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I seem to get a large sense of deja vu watching PvZ these days =/
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Ruthless play from Jangbi.
GG from ZerO! Poor kid looks crushed.
3 - 2 Samsung!!
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zero sux go jangbi!
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geez zero folded like a house of cards so quickly and easily wtf ;o
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Oh man - zero playing up to his name in that one - his head down in shame and rightfully so.
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i have to wonder what protoss players were doing before Zeal/Archon
seriously was someone just playing one day and he was like 'Hey guys! I found this crazy new build!!!!!'
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jangbi is so clutch. KHAN FTW
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Zero looks really disappointed in himself (with good reason of course)
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Man, what a bad day for Zero. GJ all you Samsung fans.
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On December 17 2008 16:28 Realpenguin wrote:
Ling force scouts Jangbi's third and will take it out
JANGBI PUSHING INTO ZERO'S NAT WITH ZEAL/GOON/HT/ARCHON TAKING OUT ALL OF ZERO'S HYDRAS
DRONES ATTACKING IN DESPERATION
THIS NAT IS BEING BROKEN SO HARD THAT IT RESEMBLES SC2GG AFTER THE SHOWMATCH
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TOT once again ZerO!. They really need start sending someone else like MVP or GGPlay
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Zero still doesn't have an army, so Jangbi walks up to his nat and kills that, too. Zero ggs. What a terrible decision by the Stars coach to send out a player who was clearly struggling today.
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wow, zero's been getting wrecked since beating lux/flash.
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I would really hate to be Zero right now. He just lost 2 games in one day.
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i feel bad for zero. failing at the 2 most important times.
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why didn't stork play instead of jangbi?
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:29 Sandster wrote:
wow, zero's been getting wrecked since beating lux/flash.
shit 6 losing streak
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hey fun fact :D :
P > Z
P > Z
T > Z
T > Z
P > Z
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Daaang...Jangbi completely threw zero off with that timing...
RAAAPE.
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On December 17 2008 16:29 Fontong wrote:
I would really hate to be Zero right now. He just lost 2 games in one day.
I just said that to my bro lol.
GG Samsung! <3
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Hahaha, Samsung players don't seem that excited or anything, just like 'meh, another win'.
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omg zerg
Someone turn off the Psi Disruptor.
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really bad day for zero.. kid looks devastated
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On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi?
Because he might have actually lost to zero? lololol
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nice timing there.. man samsung is too strong ><
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Does this put Samsung in to 1st place overall in the league?
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On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi?
Because Jangbi was the one assigned to practice in case of ace match, not stork.
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On December 17 2008 16:30 ShloobeR wrote:
hey fun fact :D :
P > Z
P > Z
T > Z
T > Z
P > Z
That's sick.. bad day to be a zerg fan.
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On December 17 2008 16:28 ShloobeR wrote:
i have to wonder what protoss players were doing before Zeal/Archon
seriously was someone just playing one day and he was like 'Hey guys! I found this crazy new build!!!!!'
yeah really...
only thing that sorta works is sniping obs with hydra/scourge and using lurkers but if toss keeps enough hts to storm...
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:30 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:30 ShloobeR wrote:
hey fun fact :D :
P > Z
P > Z
T > Z
T > Z
P > Z That's sick.. bad day to be a zerg fan.
Not if you have Samsung and Jangbi on your fantasy team. Haha!
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looooooool Jangbi's backpack ^^
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i was thinking "zero please don't screw up like fantasy the other day" and...well, yeah.
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On December 17 2008 16:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:28 ShloobeR wrote:
i have to wonder what protoss players were doing before Zeal/Archon
seriously was someone just playing one day and he was like 'Hey guys! I found this crazy new build!!!!!' yeah really... only thing that sorta works is sniping obs with hydra/scourge and using lurkers but if toss keeps enough hts to storm...
well i am pretty sure it was a counter to the scourage/mass drone into hydra build that was owning the sair dt build. protoss comes up with archon/zealot (which makes sense, since it takes advantage of that open timing), now time for zerg to come up with something!
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Now to bide my time until OSL Ro36 starts...
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On December 17 2008 16:28 ShloobeR wrote:
i have to wonder what protoss players were doing before Zeal/Archon
seriously was someone just playing one day and he was like 'Hey guys! I found this crazy new build!!!!!'
Man i guess. I remember I didn't even realize it was a new build for a while, then suddenly all protoss were using this against zerg. It is just sooo strong though...
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lol only zerg that even looked halfway decent was great
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All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK.
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Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi?
January probably figured Stars would play either zero or ggplay since Stork would be likely in their eyes, so they couldn't send Free, and had a best shot with a Z... in return, she sent out her other Zerg sniper (after FBH) who would still be in good shape if they did send Free (which FBH would not be).
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Why do coaches even bother sending out zergs anymore?
(P)Stork > (Z)GGPlay
(Z)great < (P)free[gm]
(Z)oDin < (T)MVP
(T)firebathero > (Z)ZerO
(P)JangBi > (Z)ZerO
Zerg=autolose
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On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi?
Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength.
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Is Zerg going to be forced back into some sort of Sauron build?!?
Find out next week
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On December 17 2008 16:30 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:30 ShloobeR wrote:
hey fun fact :D :
P > Z
P > Z
T > Z
T > Z
P > Z That's sick.. bad day to be a zerg fan.
+ Show Spoiler +
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MBC showing the replay as if somehow it differs from the last 20 PvZs wherein the protoss either won or lost on the zeal/archon push. =P
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*KTF-Lecaf Spoiler*
As happy as I am that Jangbi won an ace match and got me some fantasy PL points, I'm pretty sad that Zerg went fucking 1 for 6 tonight T_T
FUCK ME
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On December 17 2008 16:30 village_idiot wrote:
omg zerg
Someone turn off the Psi Disruptor.
LOL didn't see this at first...man zerg are really getting it from both Terran and Protoss.
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On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi?
methinks stork doesn't like sloppy seconds.
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On December 17 2008 16:32 EntertainMe wrote:
Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach.
SKT coach.
you're 90% sure the other player will be mind.
you have best and bisu on the roster (and both won). you also have fantasy, who lost in the most humiliating way possible.
you send out fantasy to lose.
nice.
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Belgium9945 Posts
I'm pretty sure Jangbi delayed his +1 attack to get his second archon faster. Unorthodox, but in this case wise decision.
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On December 17 2008 16:30 ShloobeR wrote:
hey fun fact :D :
P > Z
P > Z
T > Z
T > Z
P > Z
WHOA. I did not notice that. Kinda scary. I feel sorry for them zergs.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:32 EntertainMe wrote:
Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach.
Oh dear god, you are so wrong... would you please stop trying to analyze (incorrectly btw) every little thing that has such a minimal impact?
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On December 17 2008 16:33 Ideas wrote:
*KTF-Lecaf Spoiler*
As happy as I am that Jangbi won an ace match and got me some fantasy PL points, I'm pretty sad that Zerg went fucking 1 for 6 tonight T_T
FUCK ME
It really spotlights how much people have overreacted to Jaedong's 'slump', too.
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On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength.
The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's.
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On December 17 2008 16:35 RaGe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jangbi delayed his +1 attack to get his second archon faster. Unorthodox, but in this case wise decision.
Yeah I noticed this. When you expect to face mostly hydras you don't need +1 as badly.
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On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's.
Well, lets just say that they are both better than free.
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On December 17 2008 16:35 RaGe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Jangbi delayed his +1 attack to get his second archon faster. Unorthodox, but in this case wise decision.
Interesting. I didn't think about this.
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Is anyone finding the 'next match' screen kind of funny with the announcers just yelling and being like 'YAAAAAaaaa"
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On December 17 2008 16:32 EntertainMe wrote:
Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach.
Huh? This happens all the time. Fantasy got sent out to lose twice yesterday to lose. Fail logic.
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why are commentators going nuts seeing the new matches? i'll never understand them...
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Ok, time for SKT to step up next. Show Samsung wsup.
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LOL. The next game Samsung vs SKT. They say "YAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH song gyung bu kim taek yong."
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On December 17 2008 16:35 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:32 EntertainMe wrote:
Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach. Oh dear god, you are so wrong... would you please stop trying to analyze (incorrectly btw) every little thing that has such a minimal impact?
Yeah, it could just be that that player happened to be picked as the best candidate for the ace before hand because of the other team and the map. From what I know, many of the coaches usually prepare two of their players for a possible ace match and then pick from one of the two. They only decide on the spot when 1) did not have time to prepare for the ACE, or 2) did not expect to get into ace, as when playing the Airforce.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:36 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's. Well, lets just say that they are both better than free.
hacpee is correct.
Jangbi >>> stork pvz
Stork > Jangbi at pvp
So Jangbi is the better pick if you're not sure if they're sending a P or Z (obviously they weren't sending a T, if there was a high chance of a T, THEN we would have seen Stork).
Oversimplifying a bit, and of course Stork is still spectacular at PvZ, but hopefully you get the point.
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On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK.
15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.>
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On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83518
Read this. Jangbi is the best player on the Khan roster in practice games, it doesn't mean he shows it in real games, but even Stork admits that jangbi rapes him daily.
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On December 17 2008 16:36 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's. Well, lets just say that they are both better than free.
Eh, I disagree. Jangbi and Free were both raped about equally hard by Bisu in the MSL, and Free can match any player in the world right now but Stork and Bisu.
Zero was a good choice, as Free is outclassed by Stork. A pity he got totally crushed.
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Wrong. Jangbi > stork in most of their practice games. Jangbi is the better PvP player. Woongjin dont have any strong terran, they send Jangbi out
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On December 17 2008 16:39 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK. 15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.>
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but they say it comes from not upgrading +1 as quick for atk.
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On December 17 2008 16:38 SuperJongMan wrote:
Ok, time for SKT to step up next. Show Samsung wsup.
I hope they do. The Samsung-SKT1 rivalry could have some real fire to it if SKT1 would stop sucking.
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On December 17 2008 16:39 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:36 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's. Well, lets just say that they are both better than free. hacpee is correct. Jangbi >>>> stork pvz Stork >> Jangbi at pvp So Jangbi is the better pick if you're not sure if they're sending a P or Z (obviously they weren't sending a T, if there was a high chance of a T, THEN we would have seen Stork). Oversimplifying a bit, and of course Stork is still spectacular at PvZ, but hopefully you get the point.
Storks PvZ is very strange.
He seemed dominant when he annihilated Jaedong in the WCG, but looked terrible when he lost playing against Luxury.
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On December 17 2008 16:38 Sandster wrote:
why are commentators going nuts seeing the new matches? i'll never understand them...
"Samsung KHAN again!!!! AGAINST SKT!!!"
"Christmas Eve!!! Don't go anwaywhere!! But watch the proleague instead!! I say from the experience. ANYWHERE you go, it will be crowded, NOT WORTH YOUR TIME! STAY HOME AND WATCH THE FASCINATING PROLEAGUE!. Look! We even have many give aways for that day!"
just creating much excitement. ;P
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United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:40 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:36 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's. Well, lets just say that they are both better than free. Eh, I disagree. Jangbi and Free were both raped about equally hard by Bisu in the MSL, and Free can match any player in the world right now but Stork and Bisu. Zero was a good choice, as Free is outclassed by Stork. A pity he got totally crushed.
well, i wouldn't say both of them getting raped by bisu means that they are equal. bisu is better than both of them, but jangbi is a better pvper than free. free has been historically weak(er) at the matchup
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:40 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:36 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:36 Tianx wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 hacpee wrote:On December 17 2008 16:29 shavingcream66 wrote:
why didn't stork play instead of jangbi? Because stork is weaker than Janbi against Zerg and they have similar pvp strength. The second part isn't true. Stork's PvP is much, much stronger than Jangbi's. Well, lets just say that they are both better than free. Eh, I disagree. Jangbi and Free were both raped about equally hard by Bisu in the MSL, and Free can match any player in the world right now but Stork and Bisu. Zero was a good choice, as Free is outclassed by Stork. A pity he got totally crushed.
Jangbi is a fantastic PvP player, extremely capable of handling the inconsistent Free.
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Khan roster most likely
1) Jangbi
2) Stork
3) FBH
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On December 17 2008 16:32 Kami wrote:
Why do coaches even bother sending out zergs anymore?
(P)Stork > (Z)GGPlay
(Z)great < (P)free[gm]
(Z)oDin < (T)MVP
(T)firebathero > (Z)ZerO
(P)JangBi > (Z)ZerO
Zerg=autolose
More like ZerO is average, great sucks, odin sucks, GGPlay is hit and miss, FBH & JangBi are zerg killers.
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On December 17 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:39 thunk wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK. 15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.> I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but they say it comes from not upgrading +1 as quick for atk.
I wasn't, and I did read about the archon bit. The no +1 is interesting, because Jangbi had to have called it, like, 2 or 3 minutes before the attack actually happened.
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On December 17 2008 16:38 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:32 EntertainMe wrote:
Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach. Huh? This happens all the time. Fantasy got sent out to lose twice yesterday to lose. Fail logic.
Sorry if that logic failed. It's what the commentators always say when theyre guessing who's going to come out for the ace match...
I agreed when I heard this because I too would send out someone who won rather than someone who lost on that day.
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I swear every time toss mass up an army, whether it be +1 speedlots, zealots/sairs, zealot/archons, whatever. They always catch the zerg off guard with not enough units.
Someone needs to figure out a way to counter this timing push. It's just so ridiculous.
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So the Stars' coach made the best decision possible by sending Zero and January did the same by sending Jangbi.
If only the KTF coach would stop being totally boneheaded.
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On December 17 2008 16:39 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK. 15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.>
Late upgrade, only 2 total cannons, fast gates... 15 seconds.
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United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 16:51 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:39 thunk wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK. 15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.> Late upgrade, only 2 total cannons, fast gates... 15 seconds.
maybe he cut probes, too? who knows
edit: that's pretty amazing though. i love starcraft because 15 seconds can win or lose you the game.
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On December 17 2008 16:41 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:38 Sandster wrote:
why are commentators going nuts seeing the new matches? i'll never understand them... "Samsung KHAN again!!!! AGAINST SKT!!!" "Christmas Eve!!! Don't go anwaywhere!! But watch the proleague instead!! I say from the experience. ANYWHERE you go, it will be crowded, NOT WORTH YOUR TIME! STAY HOME AND WATCH THE FASCINATING PROLEAGUE!. Look! We even have many give aways for that day!" just creating much excitement. ;P
rofl. english and chinese commentary are just so different. thanks for the rough translation.
EDIT: english and chinese commentary are different from korean. i'm not an idiot.
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On December 17 2008 16:43 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:38 De4ngus wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 EntertainMe wrote:
Not many team coaches send out a player with a loss as an ace because that's just a huge risk to take. If that player loses again, then he'll definitely feel responsible for the team loss, thus his confidence drained. A bad move by Stars Coach. Huh? This happens all the time. Fantasy got sent out to lose twice yesterday to lose. Fail logic. Sorry if that logic failed. It's what the commentators always say when theyre guessing who's going to come out for the ace match... I agreed when I heard this because I too would send out someone who won rather than someone who lost on that day.
While I don't exactly follow ace match choices closely, this doesn't seem to be the trend. It seems to me that the deciding factors are the map, the MU(who the other team may send) and overall quality.
I believe in Khan vs STX both teams send out a loser for ace(Kal and Stork). If you feel your player is good, you send him.
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On December 17 2008 16:52 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:51 SuperJongMan wrote:On December 17 2008 16:39 thunk wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK. 15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.> Late upgrade, only 2 total cannons, fast gates... 15 seconds. maybe he cut probes, too? who knows edit: that's pretty amazing though. i love starcraft because 15 seconds can win or lose you the game.
15 seconds is about what it took to take down the top base after he engaged -_-;;
Zero was almost ready. Sigh, Samsung builds...
4 rax faggotry, and now super fast zealchon faggotry.
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United States10774 Posts
On December 17 2008 17:01 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:52 OneOther wrote:On December 17 2008 16:51 SuperJongMan wrote:On December 17 2008 16:39 thunk wrote:On December 17 2008 16:32 SuperJongMan wrote:
All the Woongjin Zergs lost today. Wow lame.
Fuckn.. they should just say fuck you and 3 hatch chogoling crush. -_-;;
Wow, they say Jangbi's Zealot Archon rush was actually about 15 seconds faster than normal.
SICK. 15 seconds? Wow. That's probably like, 4% of the build's total time, I wonder where it came from >.> Late upgrade, only 2 total cannons, fast gates... 15 seconds. maybe he cut probes, too? who knows edit: that's pretty amazing though. i love starcraft because 15 seconds can win or lose you the game. 15 seconds is about what it took to take down the top base after he engaged -_-;; Zero was almost ready. Sigh, Samsung builds... 4 rax faggotry, and now super fast zealchon faggotry.
SJM they are better than your dt build on python today lolcakes
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omg, if you told me, I woulda played harder.
Sseki, die.
Holy shit... Imma kill you. Fag. You waited all day to randomly ... -_-;; I didn't forget your aka.
Dead meat next time.
Taking advantage of inebriation like that... that's low.
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need to catch the vod tomorrow
seriously all 5 Zs losing is just *_______*
it'd have been perfect if odin won and fbh lost
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On December 17 2008 16:27 motbob wrote:
I need to know what "cru-cho" means... the commentators just shouted it in unison.
it means like "of course"
if i said something like, flash is a beast
you would reply "cru-cho"
but i think the commentators r jut saying like "yeah"
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my fantasy pl aproves to this result :D.
But the P v Z thing is getting broing... All hopes on the OSL and it's new map.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 17 2008 18:08 thestool91 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 16:27 motbob wrote:
I need to know what "cru-cho" means... the commentators just shouted it in unison. it means like "of course" if i said something like, flash is a beast you would reply "cru-cho" but i think the commentators r jut saying like "yeah"
Wow, thank you... I've always wondered this, at first it sounded to me like they were saying "good show" with the accent.
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United States42256 Posts
Great play by Stork in the ace match. Stealing that build of his for icc use.
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Oh, God... Zero for ace Again??? I know free is slumping, but at least send him or ggplay once in a while for ace.
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GGplay is not good zerg, he is overrated 100%. He can win only players like Tester, chalrenge etc.
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Zero is the overratted one. He won once over Luxury and Flash and all of a suden everyone are saying how good he is. To me he is unproven. True, GGPlay is not top zerg, but he is definitely > Zero.
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Zerg 0- Protoss and Terran 5. Fucking useless, weak race. Just cut them out of Starcraft. Waste of time.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On December 17 2008 21:08 sashkata wrote:
Oh, God... Zero for ace Again??? I know free is slumping, but at least send him or ggplay once in a while for ace.
Hm what? Free just broke his ELO peak, if that's called slumping.....
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free should slump his way to the finals this time.
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This was one of the best overall series i think i have watched recently for entertainment value.
Stork vs GGplay was downright hilarious, and i think can be safely said was one of the most amusing things to watch.
Great vs Free was just amazing, yes free in the end just walked over great, but for a decent amount of time, Great was trading blow for blow and survived an assault that should have steam rolled him, it was just amazing how he beat the attack back, then pushed back into the game(eventaully losing but still) Insanely impressive play.
odin vs mvp was downright hilarious, another great cheese game.
FBH vs Zer0
Straight up, hilarious. First game in awhile that FBH plays completely straightup, almost loses the game then pushes back and absolutely destroyed zer0, just intense.
Janbi vs zer0
Amazing timing attack by jangbi, perfect push, and just stomped the poor zerg. Had he been a bit slower with the push, the outcome may have been diff, but deff a good show.
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Wow at FBH.
He really is a hero.
Shame for the zero.
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On December 18 2008 04:50 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 21:08 sashkata wrote:
Oh, God... Zero for ace Again??? I know free is slumping, but at least send him or ggplay once in a while for ace. Hm what? Free just broke his ELO peak, if that's called slumping.....
Now that I look at his stats i realise that it doesnt look that bad. It's just that I hadn't seen him play in PL for ages, (10 days lol) they don't use him for ace and he just lost 2:0 to 1988 in the OSL preliminaries. I fear that it may be begining. Hope I'm wrong!!
sry for my bad english
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On December 18 2008 04:11 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Zero vs FBH was.. Intense but wtf was FBH doing with his marines in the middle of the map :D!?
Preventing lurker contain on the bridges so he could have fluid timingu!!!
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On December 18 2008 04:11 FrozenArbiter wrote:Dude, MVP[name] must have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO nervous - look at his base build, and the huge smmile when he won
I was just going crazy when he slapped down those 2 ports.
The game was also similar to the famous Lomo vs. Kwanro game, although Odin didn't really get mutas.
I feel like playing iccup and just 2porting everyone. MVP is an inspiration .
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Sweden33719 Posts
I was sort of mostly refering to how his base looked like it was the computer building it :D Which always happened to me when I was nervous.
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Best way to win Pl is to use as few Z as possible in the lineups
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KHAN are similar to SKT1 in that they each have two good Protoss, a good Terran and a crappy Zerg, however KHAN use what they have far better . KHAN even played two Zerg vs Stars and still won, I look forward to KHAN vs SKT1.
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khan zergs arent good but i wouldnt put them in the same class as skt1 zerg garbage.
by.great seems to be doing alright
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poor Zero ;< I feel sorry for the kid
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Why do stork and jangbi get blue jackets and the rest of khan black?
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that was some cockup by zero
coulda sealed it 3-1, drops the soap, and then bent over to pick it up!!!
fbh is one lucky mofo
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On December 18 2008 08:38 Balfazar wrote:KHAN are similar to SKT1 in that they each have two good Protoss, a good Terran and a crappy Zerg, however KHAN use what they have far better . KHAN even played two Zerg vs Stars and still won, I look forward to KHAN vs SKT1.
Khan zergs have something like 50% win rate - probably not exactly, but something like that. Not exactly earth-shattering, but a record T1 zergs can only achieve in their dreams.
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