Forgg has been the rock of lecaf in recent times, with JD horribly failing these days and backho being their best toss lol, Forgg is the only real steady proleauge player for lecaf with good stats against good players. On the other hand the second part of KTF Luxury has been failing, going only 3-7 in his last 10 proleauge matches even when all his practise time has been for proleauge. Medusa has been said by people to have a small imba Z>T so that could swing in Luxurys favour, but unless he pulls out a perfect 2 hat muta then this is going to roll onto mid game and forgg is just going to out macro Lux
The main event. The Tyrant VS The Dragon Slayer, This is going to be the game of the night unless someone cheese (see FBH vs JD on dest). JD in the past few weeks has looked somewhat mortal dropping random matches in proleauge and going 2-1 against Tempest but he did make it into the single leauges so we can take that as some good news. On the other hand flash looks to be somewhat back to his former greatness, not fully back but very close. He’s currently 14-5 in proleauge just sitting behind leta and has qualified for both leauges, so coming into this match flash is in red hot form. Destination is a good TvZ map in that you can 2 port wraith someone with ease, and that’s exactly what i think flash is going to do, and how both players have been performing as of late i think flash will take this one
Idk about young, lecaf are trying one of their up and comers who doesn’t have many games so i don’t really know much about him. Stats however has been one of many KTF tosses tried out, and this one is actually alright, he’s showed some nice games against mind and leta so i think has going to take this
Backho the secret love of nevergg_'s life vs random terran that i think is baller as fuck, This is backho were talking about here people, SaiR will most likely do something cheesy like 2 fac and win of that, I’m hoping that’s what were going to see
Either SaiR or Stats will drop their game and this will go to ACE. I’m thinking that neither team will send out their zerg that lost in the first match and has been underperforming of late so were going to see a rematch of epic proportions. Last time these guys met was in the Arena MSL ro4 where forgg cheesed his way to victory, but flash went home and revamped his TvT play and has gone 9-1 since then, 2 more and he gets the record for most wins in TvT, Forgg although has fucking sick TvT going 10-3 since his encounter with Flash I think Flash will take this in the end, Flash has just all in all been looking stronger in the last few weeks but this will be very, very close
On December 17 2008 06:53 Pokebunny wrote: PLEASE WIN FLASH.
Losing to Stork was not what he needed to do. =/
i think flash really got confused that game. he wanted to exploit the neutral building to his best advantage and spent a lot of time/units there, but really, he did very minimal damage. not the flash i'm used to, who usually spends the bare minimum of units to harass relatively effectively, than all out pushes with upgrades
On December 17 2008 07:03 DownMaxX wrote: This thread sure is full of KTF fans.
I'm giving it to Lecaf 3-1, with Young dropping game three.
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, flash will rolllll jd
i love flash but JD is still JD even when JD isnt playing like JD..... point being with JD anything can happen. althou as of right now flash i would think is teh favorite
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
You cant say that dosent make him a player to watch, granted hes lost 2 games but they were very, very close, dont count him out
It will most likely come down to BackHO failing or not . If he fails Lecaf will most likely lose again . Flash vs Jaedong and Luxury vs ForGG are toss up right now . I don't know how strong is ForGG his TLPD says 70 % , but he hasn't played much games .
I'd say Flash vs. Jaedong is a cointoss. Jaedong's looked mortal but he's still extremely strong, and Flash's vZ hasn't been spectacular. It's still going to be amazing, though, provided we don't get another 14cc vs. 9-pool -_- All the matches except possibly the first are going to be fairly close, and we're more than likely going to see Flash a second time in the ace match. Gogo KTF!
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
You cant say that dosent make him a player to watch, granted hes lost 2 games but they were very, very close, dont count him out
I wouldn't (and haven't) say he isn't a player to watch. Maybe he'll get better.
I'm not counting on it though. He'll probably have a run in a starleague, maybe knock Jaedong out of Gom, and just sit around in limbo.
Anyway I'd say Flash vs Jaedong is a hard matchup to analyze but despite the map favoring T a little bit, Jaedong > Flash because Jaedong has beat Flash more times in the record, and thus has the psychological edge
On December 17 2008 07:30 Sandster wrote: who's the lecaf players 2nd from the right in the bottom row? look at the way he's clenching his fist - it looks like he's knocking on a door.
On December 17 2008 07:30 Sandster wrote: who's the lecaf players 2nd from the right in the bottom row? look at the way he's clenching his fist - it looks like he's knocking on a door.
I think someone stated that Jaedong had said he particularly wanted to play FBH on Destination, so I assume he has some kind of strategy in mind. Unless Flash cheeses, it should be an epic game.
On December 17 2008 07:20 raga4ka wrote: It will most likely come down to BackHO failing or not . If he fails Lecaf will most likely lose again . Flash vs Jaedong and Luxury vs ForGG are toss up right now . I don't know how strong is ForGG his TLPD says 70 % , but he hasn't played much games .
Basically, he's possibly the second best TvZer after FBH atm. Flash imo is a bit lackluster in TvZ right now.
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
No, hes a newbie protoss, he doesn't fail to deliver, he meets and exceeds expectations. No one thinks a Protoss newbie is going to out and rape mind. He delivers really close games, and thats what we need for him to give us a victory tonight, that same ability- against a way, way worse player.
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
You cant say that dosent make him a player to watch, granted hes lost 2 games but they were very, very close, dont count him out
I wouldn't (and haven't) say he isn't a player to watch. Maybe he'll get better.
I'm not counting on it though. He'll probably have a run in a starleague, maybe knock Jaedong out of Gom, and just sit around in limbo.
Uh thats tempest your thinking of, he dose really well or horribly fails, imho stats > tempest
On December 17 2008 07:21 AzureEye wrote: Flash's #1 fan made this thread...dammit
Anyway I'd say Flash vs Jaedong is a hard matchup to analyze but despite the map favoring T a little bit, Jaedong > Flash because Jaedong has beat Flash more times in the record, and thus has the psychological edge
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
You cant say that dosent make him a player to watch, granted hes lost 2 games but they were very, very close, dont count him out
I wouldn't (and haven't) say he isn't a player to watch. Maybe he'll get better.
I'm not counting on it though. He'll probably have a run in a starleague, maybe knock Jaedong out of Gom, and just sit around in limbo.
Uh thats tempest your thinking of, he dose really well or horribly fails, imho stats > tempest
On December 17 2008 07:21 AzureEye wrote: Flash's #1 fan made this thread...dammit
Anyway I'd say Flash vs Jaedong is a hard matchup to analyze but despite the map favoring T a little bit, Jaedong > Flash because Jaedong has beat Flash more times in the record, and thus has the psychological edge
Whats the problem with my thread?
Nothing, this is a very objective view of things, though BackHo > Sair imo, he's got strong PvT and Sair has been sucking lately. Backho's been losing to strong PvP'ers lately, maybe except TT. But his PvT's still good.
Well sair hasn't been sucking, hes just a new player. They are always kind of inconsistent. I would say backho is favoured though...but sometimes you never know. He can pull out an impressive game one day, and then the next game go all zelot against a muta build like against ggplay. ~_~
On December 17 2008 08:41 wswordsmen wrote: KTF fans need to be less bias so they don't jinx the team and more importantly Flash.
And avidkey, BackHo has strong pvt? The only notable Ts he beat are Midas (who is slumping hard) and Mind.
There was that game vs Nada on Othello last season when NaDa was good, I forgot what tournament it was for. YES he does have good PvT, he had strong PvP until he had to repeatedley face the six dragoons, but who can for him for that?
On December 17 2008 08:41 wswordsmen wrote: KTF fans need to be less bias so they don't jinx the team and more importantly Flash.
Truer words have never been spoken. In almost every KTF V. Random team I see "KTF 3-0" "KTF 3-1" etc etc.
Right now KTF is in a strange position and needs to really focus on their ace's winning consistently, which, is impossible because they can't win EVERY time. So, until they get Tempest, Sair, Firefist, Hoejja, or.. that other protoss (Stats?) preforming at a higher level they are handicapped.
Let's cheer the boys on, but be realistic! We are underdogs
I like KTF fanboys, they are always so passionate about their team. Thou I'm skt fan for life I've always had sympathy to the rival ,but now ,when its only flash and not a single protoss super star its all gone
On December 17 2008 08:41 wswordsmen wrote: KTF fans need to be less bias so they don't jinx the team and more importantly Flash.
Truer words have never been spoken. In almost every KTF V. Random team I see "KTF 3-0" "KTF 3-1" etc etc.
Right now KTF is in a strange position and needs to really focus on their ace's winning consistently, which, is impossible because they can't win EVERY time. So, until they get Tempest, Sair, Firefist, Hoejja, or.. that other protoss (Stats?) preforming at a higher level they are handicapped.
Let's cheer the boys on, but be realistic! We are underdogs
you know what's retarded. to think that the expectations of us, the foreign community, has any effect on the teams and/or players.
i agree that there needs to be less pressure on the star players of KTF and more overall depth, but our blind fanboyism has no effect on this. let us be stupidly optimistic: it's starcraft, for god's sake, and there's very little things you can be stupidly optimistic about in the real world. might as well have faith in something with little practical relevance.
On December 17 2008 08:41 wswordsmen wrote: KTF fans need to be less bias so they don't jinx the team and more importantly Flash.
Truer words have never been spoken. In almost every KTF V. Random team I see "KTF 3-0" "KTF 3-1" etc etc.
Right now KTF is in a strange position and needs to really focus on their ace's winning consistently, which, is impossible because they can't win EVERY time. So, until they get Tempest, Sair, Firefist, Hoejja, or.. that other protoss (Stats?) preforming at a higher level they are handicapped.
Let's cheer the boys on, but be realistic! We are underdogs
you know what's retarded. to think that the expectations of us, the foreign community, has any effect on the teams and/or players.
i agree that there needs to be less pressure on the star players of KTF and more overall depth, but our blind fanboyism has no effect on this. let us be stupidly optimistic: it's starcraft, for god's sake, and there's very little things you can be stupidly optimistic about in the real world. might as well have faith in something with little practical relevance.
so again, 3-0 KTF STFU TY
Wow, I thought jinx was something supernatural and nonrealistic, thank you for opening my eyes to the light. O,o
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
You cant say that dosent make him a player to watch, granted hes lost 2 games but they were very, very close, dont count him out
I wouldn't (and haven't) say he isn't a player to watch. Maybe he'll get better.
I'm not counting on it though. He'll probably have a run in a starleague, maybe knock Jaedong out of Gom, and just sit around in limbo.
Uh thats tempest your thinking of, he dose really well or horribly fails, imho stats > tempest
On December 17 2008 08:41 wswordsmen wrote: KTF fans need to be less bias so they don't jinx the team and more importantly Flash.
Truer words have never been spoken. In almost every KTF V. Random team I see "KTF 3-0" "KTF 3-1" etc etc.
Right now KTF is in a strange position and needs to really focus on their ace's winning consistently, which, is impossible because they can't win EVERY time. So, until they get Tempest, Sair, Firefist, Hoejja, or.. that other protoss (Stats?) preforming at a higher level they are handicapped.
Let's cheer the boys on, but be realistic! We are underdogs
you know what's retarded. to think that the expectations of us, the foreign community, has any effect on the teams and/or players.
i agree that there needs to be less pressure on the star players of KTF and more overall depth, but our blind fanboyism has no effect on this. let us be stupidly optimistic: it's starcraft, for god's sake, and there's very little things you can be stupidly optimistic about in the real world. might as well have faith in something with little practical relevance.
so again, 3-0 KTF STFU TY
Wow, I thought jinx was something supernatural and nonrealistic, thank you for opening my eyes to the light. O,o
ANYTHING can happen in this game. ANYTHING. except for BackHo winning, of course.
Predictions
fOrGG <Luxury Bad map statistically in TvZ, and I think TLPD has enough games to prove it. Jaedong < Flash Flash is in much better shape than Jaedong right now, and the map is not so good for JD either. Young > Stats I Really don’t know about this one. BackHo <SaiR SaiR ez, even if I wasn't biased against BackHo. Lecaf 1-3 KTF
Seriously. Jaedong will NEVER lose 4 games in a row again. Ever. That was like the low point of his career. It just won't happen. Not again, no, Jaedong's not going down that dark path. Easy win.
On December 17 2008 06:42 Nitan wrote: 3-1 KTF with Stats failing to deliver as usual.
stats has lost a few really close games to really really strong terrans. Stats always comes ready to play. He's going to rape.
That's called failing to deliver. He does something nice and then falls apart. He's like Luxury vs. Best, taking a seemingly massive advantage within a few minutes of play and then failing miserably.
You cant say that dosent make him a player to watch, granted hes lost 2 games but they were very, very close, dont count him out
I wouldn't (and haven't) say he isn't a player to watch. Maybe he'll get better.
I'm not counting on it though. He'll probably have a run in a starleague, maybe knock Jaedong out of Gom, and just sit around in limbo.
Uh thats tempest your thinking of, he dose really well or horribly fails, imho stats > tempest
That's the joke.
Wasnt a good joke at all,
On December 17 2008 11:06 SuperJongMan wrote: Fools. Jaedong is INVINCIBLE!!!
On December 17 2008 10:59 3 Lions wrote: ANYTHING can happen in this game. ANYTHING. except for BackHo winning, of course.
Predictions
fOrGG <Luxury Bad map statistically in TvZ, and I think TLPD has enough games to prove it. Jaedong < Flash Flash is in much better shape than Jaedong right now, and the map is not so good for JD either. Young > Stats I Really don’t know about this one. BackHo <SaiR SaiR ez, even if I wasn't biased against BackHo. Lecaf 1-3 KTF
Luxury's last ZvT: 4-6 fOrGG's last TvZ: 8-2
Although, I think you have to realize that Lecaf purposely put their players on disadvantaged maps, I think, to prove a point. Especially for Jaedong.
fOrGG < Luxury Luxury's TvZ is still sublime, and Medusa is a haven for ZvT. That said, I hope Time Attacker can at least put up a good fight. Jaedong > Flash Map's rough for ZvT, but I think Jaedong can take this one if he keeps his composure. A win here over his arch-rival would be great for his confidence. Young > Stats Two relatively new players here, and I've liked what I've seen from both. I think it's a tossup here, so I'll go with a bit of bias and choose Young. BackHo > SaiR Yes, yes, Failho. I still love the kid, he's got spunk, and I think he can take this game against SaiR whose TvP I'm uncertain on.
Ace: (If necessary) I think we can all agree a rematch of Jaedong vs. Flash would be too hype, with JD wining in an epic game. Lecaf 3 - 1/3 - 2 KTF !!!
Backho can show great games, however sometimes one wonders if he actually thinks when he plays. His PvZ awful. Other two matchups go depending on his state that day. Which Backho shows up to play?
On December 17 2008 12:33 251 wrote: FBH vs Jaedong was not cheese. Pleeeease for the love of God stop saying it was.
Are you talking about the most recent one or the 2nd most recent? Because the most recent one was proxy hidden barrack cheese and the 2nd recent was the proxy factory cheese
whether or not FBH failed the cheese is irrevalent because in the end, even a cheese attempt can be psychological
On December 17 2008 12:33 251 wrote: FBH vs Jaedong was not cheese. Pleeeease for the love of God stop saying it was.
Are you talking about the most recent one or the 2nd most recent? Because the most recent one was proxy hidden barrack cheese and the 2nd recent was the proxy factory cheese
whether or not FBH failed the cheese is irrevalent because in the end, even a cheese attempt can be psychological
The first one was proxry factory cheese. But the recent one was not cheese in the pure sense of the word. The barrack was just in an offset location near his own main to confuse Jaedong and make him THINK it was cheese. FBH then proceeded to make the bunker to further the confusion. But it was more of a mind-game thing than actual cheese. It ended up working because Jaedong dealt with it horribly.
not many KTF fans will agree with me but I could care less if KTF loses (except lux, you better win)
I just wanna see 2 really good games. Fortunately every game ForGG plays are really fun because of his excellent timing... Scared about Flash and Jaedong. Hopefully they won't make some boring ass game.
On December 17 2008 12:33 251 wrote: FBH vs Jaedong was not cheese. Pleeeease for the love of God stop saying it was.
Are you talking about the most recent one or the 2nd most recent? Because the most recent one was proxy hidden barrack cheese and the 2nd recent was the proxy factory cheese
whether or not FBH failed the cheese is irrevalent because in the end, even a cheese attempt can be psychological
The first one was proxry factory cheese. But the recent one was not cheese in the pure sense of the word. The barrack was just in an offset location near his own main to confuse Jaedong and make him THINK it was cheese. FBH then proceeded to make the bunker to further the confusion. But it was more of a mind-game thing than actual cheese. It ended up working because Jaedong dealt with it horribly.
Are you kidding? A proxy rax/bunker is cheese no matter what it is designed to do
being a ktf fan, i get the feeling flash will lose, and when i get that feeling, im almost always correct. im hoping im wrong on this one. i cant bear seeing flash lose to jaedong
On December 17 2008 12:33 251 wrote: FBH vs Jaedong was not cheese. Pleeeease for the love of God stop saying it was.
Are you talking about the most recent one or the 2nd most recent? Because the most recent one was proxy hidden barrack cheese and the 2nd recent was the proxy factory cheese
whether or not FBH failed the cheese is irrevalent because in the end, even a cheese attempt can be psychological
The first one was proxry factory cheese. But the recent one was not cheese in the pure sense of the word. The barrack was just in an offset location near his own main to confuse Jaedong and make him THINK it was cheese. FBH then proceeded to make the bunker to further the confusion. But it was more of a mind-game thing than actual cheese. It ended up working because Jaedong dealt with it horribly.
Are you kidding? A proxy rax/bunker is cheese no matter what it is designed to do
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this matter. I personally can't think that putting a rax in your own natural is cheese. Just like I don't find putting a barracks in a forward position in TvT for the sake of early harrass + scouting to be cheese either.
On December 17 2008 12:33 251 wrote: FBH vs Jaedong was not cheese. Pleeeease for the love of God stop saying it was.
Are you talking about the most recent one or the 2nd most recent? Because the most recent one was proxy hidden barrack cheese and the 2nd recent was the proxy factory cheese
whether or not FBH failed the cheese is irrevalent because in the end, even a cheese attempt can be psychological
The first one was proxry factory cheese. But the recent one was not cheese in the pure sense of the word. The barrack was just in an offset location near his own main to confuse Jaedong and make him THINK it was cheese. FBH then proceeded to make the bunker to further the confusion. But it was more of a mind-game thing than actual cheese. It ended up working because Jaedong dealt with it horribly.
Are you kidding? A proxy rax/bunker is cheese no matter what it is designed to do
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this matter. I personally can't think that putting a rax in your own natural is cheese. Just like I don't find putting a barracks in a forward position in TvT for the sake of early harrass + scouting to be cheese either.
Its not the same though, in TvT thats a common tactic, in TvZ you dont really want a rax at your nat, and yes the bunker is cheese
On December 17 2008 12:33 251 wrote: FBH vs Jaedong was not cheese. Pleeeease for the love of God stop saying it was.
Are you talking about the most recent one or the 2nd most recent? Because the most recent one was proxy hidden barrack cheese and the 2nd recent was the proxy factory cheese
whether or not FBH failed the cheese is irrevalent because in the end, even a cheese attempt can be psychological
The first one was proxry factory cheese. But the recent one was not cheese in the pure sense of the word. The barrack was just in an offset location near his own main to confuse Jaedong and make him THINK it was cheese. FBH then proceeded to make the bunker to further the confusion. But it was more of a mind-game thing than actual cheese. It ended up working because Jaedong dealt with it horribly.
Are you kidding? A proxy rax/bunker is cheese no matter what it is designed to do
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this matter. I personally can't think that putting a rax in your own natural is cheese. Just like I don't find putting a barracks in a forward position in TvT for the sake of early harrass + scouting to be cheese either.
just the fact that FBH placed a barrack in a location where it was not usual for the scouting drone to scout it makes it hidden, thats cheese enough for you already, add the bunker rush to that and you got yourself a cheese
On December 17 2008 14:10 sung_moon wrote: looks like fantasy-ish build? he going for vults with speed i didnt watch fantasy vs ggplay can some1 tell me wht is so special about fantasy build?
Fantasy build involves a vulture drop, which I don't think this build does.
lux getting his 3rd and 4 hatch in his min only back base and atthe 1 oclock inner base forgg with alot of gols and a few vults turtling in his main forgg now getting his nat
forgg seiging at lux's nat taking out sunks lux insisting on mass mutas forgg jeez his macro now with 5 tanks pounding at the nat mutas atk but gols back it up
Not suprising, luxurys results have been quite ass lately, due to a combination of him not playing so well, hard opponents, and probably not so great zerg maps.
On December 17 2008 14:10 sung_moon wrote: looks like fantasy-ish build? he going for vults with speed i didnt watch fantasy vs ggplay can some1 tell me wht is so special about fantasy build?
Fantasy build involves a vulture drop, which I don't think this build does.
fantasy build is vultdrop in2 valks or something? i never watch fantasy's tvz tbh
On December 17 2008 14:22 Disarray wrote: JD-Flash are 6-6. Someone takes the lead here!
It would be hilarious if the match went to ace, both of them got selected to play for their team, and the one who lost the first time would win the rematch.
Edit: And as was pointed out above, the TLPD does not have the 3-0 from the first GOMTV Intel Classic.
commentators saying how jaedong might feel against terran considering he's been beat with battlecruisers and bunker rush.... "what is terran going to be up to"
Lings out, scouting SCV looks to be dead in a bit. Jaedong playing smart, puts up a creep to stop any early vult harass. Two facts for Flash, one with shop.
On December 17 2008 14:39 tracer wrote: If JD kept sending reinforcements he could have won right there... but still has a pretty huge advantage though.
On December 17 2008 14:40 motbob wrote: I'm looking forward to watching these vods lag-free. Having a college internet connection is great, but not during finals week.
On December 17 2008 14:40 motbob wrote: I'm looking forward to watching these vods lag-free. Having a college internet connection is great, but not during finals week.
What happens during finals week?
Everyone's doing research for papers, reading Sparknotes, etc.
I wonder how much Jaedong learned from watching the first game. Regardless, I'm sure Luxury was watching and thinking, "So this is how I should've played."
On December 17 2008 14:45 FMGustave wrote: Watching JD take down Flash just made my entire day. It's been awhile since JD got a win over a big name player.
Yeah. I think that Flash was the last great name whom he beat. So let's hope that will close the circle and JD will stop sucking.
On December 17 2008 23:39 Ota Solgryn wrote: And nice to see JD completely raping that mech build. Now we will probably see rest of zergs copying his build and that mech build will go away.
JD bring back the zergs
Now, make JD beat the fast zealot/archon build. D:
Man the difference between game 1 and game 2 is night and day. Jaedong works harder than any other zerg at making sure the Zerg race has answers to all these innovations by the other races.
On December 18 2008 03:20 Atrioc wrote: Man the difference between game 1 and game 2 is night and day. Jaedong works harder than any other zerg at making sure the Zerg race has answers to all these innovations by the other races.
Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
On December 18 2008 04:00 Warrior Madness wrote: Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
In my opinion Flash played poorly. Although his vulture harassment very little damage to JDs econ and he did not have enough goliaths and turrets to defend his main against mutalisks, he tried to expand. If you check the Flash's main at the time of JDs fist attack there was no turret. I suggest you to watch the game between Mind and S2 for good early mech defense against zerg.
On December 18 2008 04:00 Warrior Madness wrote: Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
In my opinion Flash played poorly. Although his vulture harassment very little damage to JDs econ and he did not have enough goliaths and turrets to defend his main against mutalisks, he tried to expand. If you check the Flash's main at the time of JDs fist attack there was no turret. I suggest you to watch the game between Mind and S2 for good early mech defense against zerg.
He really had to expand, he'd have fallen way too far behind if he hadn't. His expansion was extremely late for a mech build as it was.
On December 18 2008 04:00 Warrior Madness wrote: Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
If JD learns to macro for the mid/later stages of the game, then it won't even be funny, since he will be more unstoppable than Savior ever was. I like JD, but just for the sake of race balance, I'd prefer more JD like players to develop rather than have JD go god-mode-on.
Jaedong IS god mode. That is all. Flash didn't play poorly, Jaedong came with a 1,2 punch to rape Flash as soon as he saw factory. He even tried to lure with his units up a choke and using drone bait. Too bad he just lost the bait.
On December 18 2008 04:00 Warrior Madness wrote: Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
If JD learns to macro for the mid/later stages of the game, then it won't even be funny, since he will be more unstoppable than Savior ever was. I like JD, but just for the sake of race balance, I'd prefer more JD like players to develop rather than have JD go god-mode-on.
I'm pretty sure that Jaedong has better late game management than Savior now.
On December 18 2008 04:00 Warrior Madness wrote: Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
If JD learns to macro for the mid/later stages of the game, then it won't even be funny, since he will be more unstoppable than Savior ever was. I like JD, but just for the sake of race balance, I'd prefer more JD like players to develop rather than have JD go god-mode-on.
I'm pretty sure that Jaedong has better late game management than Savior now.
I haven't actually seen the game, but I've heard his defiler use vs Sea was very good.
On December 18 2008 04:00 Warrior Madness wrote: Did flash play poorly or was Jaedong just really prepared for the mech build with a good timing attack? If it's the latter, I'm glad. Maybe JD is learning from forgg. That's what I thought when he 3-0ed flash with those timing builds in gom. Now he needs to learn how to macro like forgg, extending forgg's moto to "Have more units than the opponent at any given time; outflank, outmaneuver, out control him." Or it could be just wishful thinking.
If JD learns to macro for the mid/later stages of the game, then it won't even be funny, since he will be more unstoppable than Savior ever was. I like JD, but just for the sake of race balance, I'd prefer more JD like players to develop rather than have JD go god-mode-on.
I'm pretty sure that Jaedong has better late game management than Savior now.
I haven't actually seen the game, but I've heard his defiler use vs Sea was very good.
It was sickening. He should have died 10-15 minutes earlier, but he kept whipping everything he had until Sea wore him down to his last breath. Both players were probably really fucking sick of each other by the end of the game.
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fOrGG < Medusa > 
Luxury
Young < Neo Requiem > 
TvZ on Medusa, and then a ZvT on destination. I'm worried.
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jaedong for da win
