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After both teams getting "humiliated" over the weekend (STX's 1st 3-0 lost and CJ losing to ACE), one team gets to redeem itself, the other will continue it's path of pity.
STX FIGHTING
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whoo~ much vs july! ^^ should be entertaining.
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The only way Much is winning is if he has some sort of really good cheese planned again like the last time he played July.
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3:1 STX. stx with such strong lineup
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3:1 or 3:2 cj >> they will pull it off.
and where the hell is savior ;o theyre playing the rookies too much these days...
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On December 16 2008 11:07 imperfect wrote: whoo~ much vs july! ^^ should be entertaining. Err...despite being a <3Much fan, PvZ is his worst MU, while it is July's best.
Oh well, Much Fighing!!
Edit: Also the result of Effort vs Calm should be interesting, they are both up and coming zergs with very good ZvZ. Too bad ZvZ usually isn't too interesting tho hehe.
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On December 16 2008 11:06 omfghi2u2 wrote: much vs july
Oh Rush Hour III of all things. It was a great call to bring that map back.
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CJ 3-1 with skyhigh losing.
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Could we get a stream link?
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Game 1: (T)sKyHigh < Sin Chupung-Ryeong > (P)Kal Game 2: (P)Movie < Andromeda > (T)Bogus Game 3: (P)Much < Rush Hour III > (Z)July Game 4: (Z)EffOrt < Destination > (Z)Calm Game 5: (Z)Savior <Neo Harmony> (P)Kal
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Please God, just give me a good enough connection to watch July versus Much? I didn't bother you when my dog was sick, you owe me!
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On December 16 2008 13:48 Empyrean wrote:Yeah, the Only good thing about Kal being such a beast is that he'll beat sKyHigh, letting EffOrt play for the 3-1 CJ win! Oh wow, TLPD catches literally everything these days. You should see what happens in my PL posts
[ Center]
I don't care who Center is
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On December 16 2008 13:48 Empyrean wrote:Yeah, the Only good thing about Kal being such a beast is that he'll beat sKyHigh, letting EffOrt play for the 3-1 CJ win! Oh wow, TLPD catches literally everything these days.
That's not fair, you did that on purpose; you didn't edit your post, let me try.
Autumn Oooohh...
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much is the most overrated protoss ever
he doesn't even really have any accomplishments.
good pvt, average pvp, subpar pvz.
not sure why he has fans, other than his pylon heart vs fbh.
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we have a vlc going for this or what?
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Thanks for the link, I'll be Live Reporting in this thread (until 4999 at least. I have an epic 5000th post coming up and this is the perfect way to legitimately increase my postcount until then!)
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I have faith in the CJ newbies. I believe in a CJ 3-1 victory with Much losing.
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Btw does TLPD has possibility to show which team is best SET1/SET2... etc winner/loser. Would be nice to see which team chokes first game (obviously ACE team is excluded).
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On December 16 2008 14:10 Rostam wrote: Much bows to no man!
Then good thing Tossgirl was moved to the B team.
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Crap I can't watch anything from here, internet is slow or something. Yet another reason why my dorm > home. Plus my super sick gaming comp hehe.
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Kal at bottom left, Skyhigh at top right.
EDIT: Second game ever on new Chupeng-Ryeong, I believe. No early proxy cheese going on.
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The stream is really good now for me but I'm in an important conversation. When I am done, then I will try to live report.
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Game 1: sKyHigh > Kal Game 2: Movie < Bogus Game 3: Much < July Game 4: EffOrt > Calm Ace: sAviOr > HwaSin
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Skyhigh's keeping an SCV on his ramp for some reason. He built his first supply by his ramp, barracks starting.
Gas and Gateway warping for Kal.
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Probe gets in despite skyhigh's SCV block on ramp.
Both players have gas, cy core warping. Probe is harassing mining SCVs.
EDIT: Manner pylon by Kal. Factory building.
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On December 16 2008 14:06 LosingID8 wrote: much is the most overrated protoss ever
he doesn't even really have any accomplishments.
good pvt, average pvp, subpar pvz.
not sure why he has fans, other than his pylon heart vs fbh.
He has fans because of his unorthodox play and his ability to pull of funky strats and weird timings. He's like Nal_Ra, but more practical.
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well, skyhigh starts upper position, kal on lower
skyhigh pulls a really early scv to block ramp, probably trying something tricky kal gets past it anyway to scout
manner pylon by kal
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where can we watch this games?
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Manner pylon? In PvT? I wonder what rush toss is planning.
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Manner pylon goes down, as does Kal's probe. Two marines chased it. Dragoon out for Kal. Skyhigh walled off his ramp with two depots and a Barracks.
Citadel for Kal.
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skyhigh kills probe scout kal goes fast adun
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Skyhigh looking to do a 1fac CC build. Robo fac goes up as well. I'm expecting a DT drop or something. Second gateway just started.
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kal going dark drop skyhigh expanding
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Xenocide_Knight, there's no practical need for you to livereport (unless you really want to, of course).
I got this series covered unless I run out of posts.
Templar Archives finished. CC finished. Two tanks out for Skyhigh. Building an Engineering Bay.
EDIT: Skyhigh playing Turret defense everywhere.
Shuttle and Dark Templar out. Kal has a nexus warping at his nat.
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Shuttle heading towards Skyhigh, but he has Turrets and Tanks covering pretty much everything.
Shuttle dropping DTs in his base, killing two SCVs making Turrets.
Skyhigh has really badly placed Turrets, letting him harass things in the north part of skyhigh's base, including gas SCVs.
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On December 16 2008 14:19 Rostam wrote: skyhigh's spider sense is tingling it seems
Kal is known for the hard harass style of play. And Skyhigh is good enough to even prep builds to stop it.
And Skyhigh even spots the shuttle.
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@Xenocide_knight: feel free to live report as well, if you'd like. I'm just saying that you can sit back and enjoy the games without feeling the obligation to LR if you don't want to. Watching out for you, really 
Skyhigh forced to cancel a fac. Loses a Tank. Machine shop is attacked, but survives. Kal loses both DTs.
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Archon and six dragoons moving out, along with shuttle. Four tanks, vulture, 2 mainres moving out. They'll meet in the middle it seems, but Kal backs off.
Shuttle flying around, vultures laying mines.
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That's a lot of destroyed/canceled building from DT. Archon (wtf, this early?) from Kal.
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Observer out. Kal has a definite unit advantage, especially with his early Archon and goon count. He has seven gateways, I believe, as well as a forge morphing in for a +1 I think. Terran has four fac, with one building. One machine shop.
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Many tanks/vultures camping out on high ground. Skyhigh moving down with his metal along the ridge!
He has a definite good position for engagement.
Kal backs off. Many zealots for Kal hanging out at nat.
Skyhigh pressuring Kal's third.
Kal moves across the map.
Nothing can save Kal's third.
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Kal engaging with many, many speedzeals. I stand corrected. Skyhigh loses his entire tank/vult force.
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More metal moving out for Skyhigh, attacking Kal's nat. Soooo many speed zeals attack move into Tanks, they all die to vult.
Massive Dragoon/Zealot/Archon reinforcements coming up, clear out the attacking force.
EDIT: Kal has sooo many gateways. Skyhigh pressuring Kal's third again along the ridge, with Tanks and Vults. Skyhigh starts construction on his third CC. Kal can't do anything to stop Skyhigh atm, losing all his probes at his third.
He clears it out. Skyhigh harassing Kal's nat.
Skyhigh retreats his Vultures out of the third.
Kal looks pretty pissed.
Many tanks coming down the center from Skyhigh. Sort of haphazard fac placing.
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Wow skyhigh is doing really well from were i started off (defending heavily vs dt drop)
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Gah, why is the stream lagging like this ; ; Stream usually works decently for me.
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On December 16 2008 14:27 FrozenArbiter wrote: Gah, why is the stream lagging like this ; ; Stream usually works decently for me.
Yea, it's lagging for me. Very sad.
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@FA, stream is fine for me 
Kal attack moves many Dragoons to kill some Vultures. Vultures back, harassing Kal's third probes. Many die. Skyhigh lands his third CC, though it's undefended. Kal clearing out some mines with Observer + Archon/goons.
WOW Kal moves in a DT through a mine field, killing seven Vultures!
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Kal moving out with goons and archons from both sides, massively sandwiching in Skyhigh. Clears out his force. Kal has many goons, an archon, and many speedzeals.
He clears out the Vultures attacking his third, but the Vultures kill the nexus.
Kal starts a new expansion.
Skyhigh solidifying his position in upper-middle.
I see High Templar for Kal. SCVs transferring to third.
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On December 16 2008 14:27 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 14:27 FrozenArbiter wrote: Gah, why is the stream lagging like this ; ; Stream usually works decently for me. Yea, it's lagging for me. Very sad. same. i tried to reload and now i can't even get back in the stream
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Dragoons clearing out mines.
Moving toward's Kal's third, I believe. Sky high moving TONS OF VULTURES into the middle, laying mines. Dunno why I just capitalized that.
Skyhigh has ample defense at his third, but Kal moves units behind Skyhigh's nat! Tons of Dragoons, though they're held off by last minute defense.
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Skyhigh attack moves tons of Vultures into Kal's nat, killing three Archons, cannons, and lay mines.
Killing lots of probes. He literally has 24 Vultures or so.
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What's kal doing, sending 4 archons against 20 vults...
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Kal's in trouble. Moving Dragoons back to defend.
Kal loses his nat Nexus. Some vultures are able to escape, but pathing traps a few.
Kal loses a few more goons unnecessarily to mines.
Skyhigh moving out with many mant metal
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Yes my stream is working! Edit: or not...
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0-1 metal Vultures and Tanks attack moving accross the map, overwhelming Kal's dragoons.
Move into Kal's nat.
I expect GG soon. some desperate DTs out for Kal.
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This vulture intense style is awesome : D
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Skyhigh starting a fourth, but there's no need. he has about 12 tanks and 12 vultures in Kal's main.
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GG... My predictions start well
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skyhigh takes revenge upon kal. This kid has talent.
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Did SkyHigh type ^^?
Well played game by him. A bit lackluster by Kal.
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I guess it might end 3-0 for CJ now. That was a pretty bad rape.
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I swear, every time a toss loses an angel gets it's wings. It feels that good to watch that. :p
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Skyhigh takes one. I didn't seen that one coming, I never give Skyhigh enough credit.
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Brilliant prophylactic play helps him defend somewhat from Kal's DT drop, though Kal maximizes damage as much as he can. Kal rashly double expanded against skyhigh's vulture heavy build, which fails due to his Vulture multitasking skills. Questionable use of Archons, honestly.
Good play from skyhigh in this game, looking forward to game two.
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skyhigh making a move, he has clear advantage now. If he keeps this out he can easily close it.
and he does!
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Wow, awesome vulture use by skyhigh, almost Mindesque. I just started watching from the middle and from what it seems, skyhigh was behind, but he had some great vulture play, killing many probes and ambushing goons. He just had mines everywhere, catching many stray units and that 24+ vulture ambush at Kal's nat was impressive, taking out 4 archones, keeping goons at bay at the ramp with mines, and taking out the natural nexus.
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On December 16 2008 14:34 SlickR12345 wrote: skyhigh making a move, he has clear advantage now. If he keeps this out he can easily close it.
and he does!
Kind of late here.
And another note, Skyhigh used the terrain very well to his advantage, forcing Kal to attack up ramps to clear units attacking his third many times throughout the game. When Kal tried to attack Skyhigh's third or nat, he was met by defense.
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Impressive from Skyhigh, I need to give that kid more credit.
What was the point of the archons, anyway?
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Fuck ya! Sky fucking High! Very nice vulture usage
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On December 16 2008 14:35 Elyvilon wrote: Impressive from Skyhigh, I need to give that kid more credit.
What was the point of the archons, anyway? I think it was, since skyhigh was playing a heavy vulture build, templars would simply be sniped too easily and be wasted, so he made archons instead
also, funny thing is, even though he had morphed his 8 templar into archons, the 24 vulture raid by skyhigh still killed them all easily.
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On December 16 2008 14:35 Elyvilon wrote: Impressive from Skyhigh, I need to give that kid more credit.
What was the point of the archons, anyway?
Perhaps he thought he could clear mines easily with Archon + Obs? I don't know. He had an early archives and nothing to do, so why not :D
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ugh the stream posted here just absolutely fails on my laptop
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That was a great game by skyhigh ! I thought he had lost because of those DT's. Great stream !! go CJ!!
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No arbs and/or storms was bad for Kal.
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yeah terribad stream gonna try Daum.
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titty sambo guys in that commercial?
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Wentworth Miller! Enjoy the premium. French Cafe.
Guy has an pallette pasted to his brian. There are words on it.
Woman looking confusedly in a field. Oh wow, some guy flips on a bike.
Woman is unconcious on a mat. Oh she wakes up. Here is a naked baby. JOHNSONS BABY SOOTHING NATURALS. Baby finally smiles. Also the bottle looks like a dildo.
Oh shit Bruce Lee killing people, making weird noises. Kind of like always.
Water is moving like an amoeba, going into an almond. Weird. LOTION TIME.
Intence guy on an avalance. Oh shit here comes a FUCKING SNOW SHARK WHAT THE HELL. There are lots of english commercials this time around.
Three middle aged Korean women enjoying coffee. Girly looking guy comes in with a cup of coffee.
Oh look here's a fat guy in a convertable. Let's go clean his car and give him a massage! Weird.
Random zombie thing lurges toward the screen. Oh no! He clenches his fist.
Gameclip. Sponsored by prius. Shiny thing. Weird doll girl running to weird ninja thing. Lots of characters. What the fuck is a little girl doing there she's going to get broken by these gundam things. OH EVIL PURPLE ENERGY FLYING OUT. Here are some clips of gameplay. Looks kind of like wow. Lots of enemies miss some girl. 342 damage! Wow ok 2913 damage from gundams with spears. Looks like they own. Oh wait, prius isn't the car.
Ok back to the games. Disappointing commercials.
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nm its working better but the screen is so small bleh, guess i can't complain
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The stream is perfect on my laptop, and I'm even using my home connection, not college connection, so I dunno what it is. Maybe bandwidth throttling or something by the Koreans? I'm not sure. Whatever.
EDIT: You can double click to maximize.
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Im using daum website and it's working really well and it never works for me.. so please everyone don't join.
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Empyrean commercial LR is top tier.
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my stream was working fine, but then i closed the window on accident and now i cant get it to reload. such bs
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ah fantastic everything is working right now
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Andromeda: movie protoss at top right, bogus terran bottom left.
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bogus is so cute!
it's a shame he will be crushed by the iron fist of Movie.
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Anybody know the song they play right before the game starts?
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@KreaGata: thanks 
Both players playing standard so far with no proxies. Pylon warping for Movie. Supply at ramp for Bogus. Cross position Andromeda is really conducive to long games, so expect to be here a while.
Gateway warping. Prove scouting down. Barracks started.
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movie: top right teal bogus: bottom left yellow
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On December 16 2008 14:45 KreaGata wrote: Anybody know the song they play right before the game starts? This is you, this is me this is all that we can be..
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Movie with an early zealot, Bogus walling off his ramp though.
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bogus snipes scout probe and is taking min only
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Fact Started. Zeal before core from Movie heading straight for Bogus' base, but his wall is finished and he has a Marine behind the SCV.
Oh hello there bogus!
Second Zealot on ramp for movie. Zealot attacking depot. 1 fac CC for bogus. Range researching. Dragoon out.
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Movie walling his ramp with zeals against the SCV, no doubt up to something sneaky.
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-_- Kal is so inconsistent
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citadel, looks like dt rush still no nexus for movie
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Bogus went 1fac CC, except building his CC at the in-base min only.
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nexus in min only starts, bogus has eng bay finished already bogus adding very fast 2nd cc
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Both players taking their min onlies, with a slower nexus from movie. Citadel of adun. Probe attacking a power generator. It doesn't look like Siege has completed.
Two tanks for bogus, drive off a harassing goon that gets no shots in. Bogus playing safely, with turrets. SCV still out, MAKES IT INTO MOBIE'S BASE, but doesn't see anything except a gateway.
Robo warping. Templar warping.
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Citadel and Robo for Movie, is today DT drop day?
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Looks like Movie's going for a DT Drop.
Bogus making his third CC inside his base, ready to land at his nat. He has turrets up around his base.
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Honestly, there's no point live reporting if your stream is behind mine (which is what it appears to be), so if you want, you can just sit back and watch the games. Of course, if you want to live report, that's your prerogative, but just letting you know that you don't have to.
Academy and Armory building. Observatory warping. Both players look to take their gas nats.
Two Dark Templar in a shuttle now, aslong with a probe.
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scanners coming in, looks like bogus will be able to hold this off
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Holy moly, is that an elevator?
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Movie elevator-ing goons up to the cliff.
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Two Dark Templar, Two Zealots, and Four Dragoons inside Bogus' base. Dragoons are attacking the power generator now. It goes down. Bogus has no clue.
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On December 16 2008 14:53 thunk wrote: Holy moly, is that an elevator?
Yeah. Two posts late. Shuttle dies. DTs and Dragoons killing tanks and vultures. All Dragoons die, one DT left in base, harassing SCVs. Starport finishes.
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Movie makes his move... Doing very well... Looks like he has the advantage now... Looks like its going to be a pretty short game...
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great defense from the elevator + dt drop by bogus bogus has a commanding lead now movie takes the 3:00 base to try and come back economically
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The Terran's Main is now exposed and that DT can run free. But ther'es comsats up.
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The attack ends up doing little damage except for taking out a few tanks and 3-4 scv's.
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Seven kill DT before it dies.
Macro game so far. Movie takes the right base, Nexus just finished.
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On December 16 2008 14:53 Empyrean wrote:Yeah. Two posts late. Shuttle dies. DTs and Dragoons killing tanks and vultures. All Dragoons die, one DT left in base, harassing SCVs. Starport finishes.
My hands are cold so I can't type fast. Sue me.
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Movie has such a small army compared to the Terran's. Movie has less than 20 psi of fighting units.
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On December 16 2008 14:54 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 14:53 Empyrean wrote:On December 16 2008 14:53 thunk wrote: Holy moly, is that an elevator? Yeah. Two posts late. Shuttle dies. DTs and Dragoons killing tanks and vultures. All Dragoons die, one DT left in base, harassing SCVs. Starport finishes. My hands are cold so I can't type fast. Sue me.
Hehe 
If you're going to live report, I'll just sit back and watch the game then and only come out to report the commercials. I'd rather not LR haha.
And besides, you need to work up your haji rate of posting by LRing 
Storm drop kills many SCVs.
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see bogus? thats what happens when you 2-0 fbh, you lose all your scvs.
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And here comes the timing push.
The terran has more tanks than the toss has goons and zealots combined.
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On December 16 2008 14:55 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 14:54 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 14:53 Empyrean wrote:On December 16 2008 14:53 thunk wrote: Holy moly, is that an elevator? Yeah. Two posts late. Shuttle dies. DTs and Dragoons killing tanks and vultures. All Dragoons die, one DT left in base, harassing SCVs. Starport finishes. My hands are cold so I can't type fast. Sue me. Hehe  If you're going to live report, I'll just sit back and watch the game then and only come out to report the commercials. I'd rather not LR haha. And besides, you need to work up your haji rate of posting by LRing  Storm drop kills many SCVs.
Go for it I don't want to be like Haji or Ghostclaw. They're posts aren't exactly exemplary. =p
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Arbiter Tribunal warping.
Both players seem to be moving out to some extent. Tanks siege up in front of nat, forced to unsiege by a shuttle. Movie setting up mines. Bogus very close to Movie's base. Someone's going to be forcced to make a move soon. Tanks and Vultures harassing movie's min only.
ENGAGEMENT.
Zealots take tanks. Storms and Dragoons clear out rest, but forced to back off after fresh reinforcements by vultures and golis from bogus.
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Tanks sieged in front of nat, lots of vultures supporting. Turrets up.
Movie in a really bad position.
So wait, thunk, are you going to LR then?
I expect GG soon.
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I am getting a radio broadcast only. Thx for the livereports Empyrean.
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tanks taking out the nat Nexus. And the min-only nexus.
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Movie trying to save up some Dragoons/Templar, but bogus has too many units.
Nat Nexus down. Movie loses a shuttle unnecessarily.
Arbiter out!
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Looks like it's gonna come out to 1-1 after game 2, just with opposite results of what I expected.
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Movie is in the lead... Movie can easily take this if he continues like this... Movie has a clear advantage...
And its done
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Vulture drop at 3 kills all the probes.
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On December 16 2008 14:59 KreaGata wrote: Looks like it's gonna come out to 1-1 after game 2, just with opposite results of what I expected. When Kal plays, I have learned to except nothing. Yet I am still a fan.
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Dropship kills Movie's right hand expansion.
Bogus has tons of fangirls, probably because he's so "cute".
Arbiter and Dragoon/Zeal/Archon making a move, but they die to vultures/tank. Nice storm on some tanks, though.
Dropship again.
Lots of units coming back again. And girls go crazy what the fuck they love this kid.
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Haha, like 1 hp arbiter hanging out in the corner.
And Movie manner pylons the 9:00 expo haha.
Tanks firing on Movie's base.
Mines inside bogus' base, maybe he expects a recall.
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Bogus mining up his base in case of recalls.
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Movie can't really think he can win this, can he?
That first engagement of Movie was really good for the amount of units he had, I thought. He had some really nice storms.
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On December 16 2008 15:00 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 14:59 KreaGata wrote: Looks like it's gonna come out to 1-1 after game 2, just with opposite results of what I expected. When Kal plays, I have learned to except nothing. Yet I am still a fan.
Hm, well said. He is an unpredictable card; beast sometimes, not so much sometimes.
I just wish he'd get rid of those damn glasses.
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It looks like Movie is going for a recall with the 1 hp Arbiter.
Like 4 goons and some zealots come in.
They're met by mines inside the base. Bogus killing movie's 3:00 expo.
Storm drop. Vultures inside movie's base, sniping three templar.
Lots of vultures coming back now to kill the recalled units.
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Movie has literally nothing mining. I don't understand why he's stil playing.
GG after attacking moving his probes in.
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Movie's being a bit stubborn here.
GG finally. 1 - 1.
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Finally the GG. That took a while.
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Time for the big boys to play.
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On December 16 2008 15:02 KreaGata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:00 Fontong wrote:On December 16 2008 14:59 KreaGata wrote: Looks like it's gonna come out to 1-1 after game 2, just with opposite results of what I expected. When Kal plays, I have learned to except nothing. Yet I am still a fan. Hm, well said. He is an unpredictable card; beast sometimes, not so much sometimes. I just wish he'd get rid of those damn glasses.
Worked really well for Best.
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Much can win...but for some reason I think July will devour him.
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Much givin some love to movie
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july is going to bust out the sauron zerg
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BeSt can pull off the glasses, he looks quite good with them. Kal, like I've said time and time again, looks like a smug arse. Without them, he looks like a badass.
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On December 16 2008 15:04 Empyrean wrote: Movie has literally nothing mining. I don't understand why he's stil playing.
GG after attacking moving his probes in. He had the 6 island. Probably stayed in because Bogus didn't have a 4th up yet.
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Impressive play from both Terrans today. Elevator was a clever play, though it honestly didn't end up doing much. Maybe he was impressed by the recent liquibition 
Wow, replay shows FOUR templar in a shuttle. That's quite a bit of Templar. This was during the initial timing push. Hell, with bogus' clumped tanks, he should have just attack moved in, and stormed the hell out of the tanks, since there wasn't very much mining either. He didn't take advantage of when the tanks were clumped together.
From there, bogus just outclassed him with some standard play, while keeping up the pressure on movie's nat. Good, solid mechanical play from bogus in this game.
Damn that kid has some fans. He looks like he's 13 or something.
@Sonuvbob: His 6 island was nowhere close to being saturated, though.
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Bogus played really sloppy, but his macro was really good after the elevator failed he had a nice lead which he just built on throughout the game.
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On December 16 2008 15:07 KreaGata wrote: BeSt can pull off the glasses, he looks quite good with them. Kal, like I've said time and time again, looks like a smug arse. Without them, he looks like a badass.
Hwasin looks pretty cool in glasses too. Bogus looks like a young, big nose Ruby
Whats this Elevator ppl are talking about?
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On December 16 2008 15:08 Empyrean wrote:Impressive play from both Terrans today. Elevator was a clever play, though it honestly didn't end up doing much. Maybe he was impressed by the recent liquibition  Wow, replay shows FOUR templar in a shuttle. That's quite a bit of Templar. This was during the initial timing push. Hell, with bogus' clumped tanks, he should have just attack moved in, and stormed the hell out of the tanks, since there wasn't very much mining either. He didn't take advantage of when the tanks were clumped together. From there, bogus just outclassed him with some standard play, while keeping up the pressure on movie's nat. Good, solid mechanical play from bogus in this game. Damn that kid has some fans. He looks like he's 13 or something. @Sonuvbob: His 6 island was nowhere close to being saturated, though.
I after watching the rep, he didn't quite spread out his units properly and the units came before the shuttle. He then selected the shuttle, got it moving, and unloaded the templar. He also sent all of his units at once through the mines. It was all slightly mistimed and it definitely cost him the game. I think what Movie was waiting for was for Bogus to unseige all of his tanks and move them ALL forward, at which point he would have moved in. It would have been perhaps been wiser to wait for the push to come a little closer (so Movie could macro up a little more), run probes from his min only, and wait. But Movie didn't, and he mistimed his attack, and he lost.
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Movie could have had some really solid zealot bombs during that push, turrets weren't up and there were no golies.
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ADS.... Much vs July about to start... and its on...
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On December 16 2008 15:11 Instigata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:07 KreaGata wrote: BeSt can pull off the glasses, he looks quite good with them. Kal, like I've said time and time again, looks like a smug arse. Without them, he looks like a badass. Hwasin looks pretty cool in glasses too. Bogus looks like a young, big nose Ruby Whats this Elevator ppl are talking about?
When you lift units into a main via shuttle by making trips back and fourth, back and fourth, it's called an elevator. It's a definition in the recommended threads, if you'd be willing to take a look.
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After he successfully defended the elevator and had both cc's finished before movie did, the game was basically over. Movie taking the island just weakened his ability to defend against the timing attack. Bogus's play was very solid, not genius, but solid.
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yay, looking forward to another pimp play by Much...Rush hour is a great map for these two specialist in all-in strategy
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These guys have the most annoying voices.
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UNIDENTIFIED CODE 13013 HOLY SHIT in English. The secret of this number wow.
Some angels! OH HOLY SHIT KOREAN DUBBED PHILADELPHIA ANGELS. "peea-del-peea". cream cheese minitubs.
Oh shit guy does a flip on his bike. And some lens flares in a field.
Girl in a towel rubbing her leg. Oh shit! She needs some body emulsion from neutrogena. Now she smiles.
girl is a street singer with a guitar. comp nerds in love. Oh shit she's now a rock star with a much whinier voice.
More white people what the fuck. Here's Wentworth Miller being sexy. He always looks angry, though. Wish he'd cheer up.
Sad piano music with coffee beans. Some guy contemplates his coffee while sifting through the beans.
It's like world war two! Some guy has like a golden bazooka. What the fuck is that a crossbow? OH NO LOTS OF EXPLOSIONS but I can't actually hear them. string music in background? Now he's a sniper he can do anything! ok kmnife time. Now he's strafinf. Korean text. Some random talking. More text. KARMA 2!!!!
Oh it looks like the same commercial except without music. Some bazooka just makes people fly into the air. I hear german.
MSL commercial with flying text and a trophy. oh look it's an empy studio but the lights are still going! survivor tournament. look progamers smiling. OH HERE IS A PROTOSS GUY.
Now bisu is kissing his trophies and having something pinned onto his jacket. Guy narrating sounds like he needs to take a crap and soon. BISU BISU BISU BISU BISU they can't get enough of that guy. Holy crap. More bisu and then some other guys. Uh oh I see a girl! Scarab kills some SCVs. More shots of the stadium. OH SHIT IT'S ARTANIS@!! Ok they're recycling footage now. Some 27 kill DT I think. Guy narrating still sounds very whiny. Now they're showing iris. Hello Iris! OH WOW LOTS OF DARK TEMPLAR GOOD FOR HIM. Ok Bisu now looking sad like he's biting back tears. He's finding some random Zerg that I don't recognize. Goddamn this commercial is taking a long time move onto something useful.
Ok guys dancing and zergling crying oh fuck it's the same damn commercial i shouldn't have line broke. Ok scenes from random movies. More cartoon Zerglings. I think they're complaining about protosses. Ok Julyzerg and bruce lee again. Crying zerglings. Crying tushin. Some guy dancing. OH HERE COME THE MARINES THEY WEREN'T EVEN MENTIONED BEFORE. Lots of commercials just jizzed in their pants apparently. Also progamers need to learn how to dance. I also hear Star Wars music in the background because what says Starcraft like Star Wars, right? Ok lots of buffalo moving on a hill. More progamers crying. This commercial is fucking boring what the shit. Sad Zerglings. Ghost Zerglings fucking hell this needs to end aowiejfoawiejfoaiewjfoaiewfjoaiwejf. Taking fucking forever. More progamers hugging. That's literally the fifth time I've seen the same shot of sad Bisu get to the fucking game.
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On December 16 2008 15:13 alphafuzard wrote: After he successfully defended the elevator and had both cc's finished before movie did, the game was basically over. Movie taking the island just weakened his ability to defend against the timing attack. Bogus's play was very solid, not genius, but solid.
I think it was definitely in Movie to fend off that last push and live to the next battle. But he need to crush that push, which he didn't.
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Interesting clip about how bad zerg is doing atm
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5,4,3,2,1 and the game starts... Looks like a standard start...
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See Empyrean, I would never LR that, hahaha. ^^
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hah again that Zerg ad, though it needs update as magma is going through so far.
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@Sonuvbob: I concede the point. @thunk: I think LR'ing commercials is fun, honestly. And if someone with faster Live Reporting is also live reporting in the thread, I just sit back and watch the game until the commercials come online. I'm writing my 5000th post in the lulls of the games when nothing's going on. I'm at around 1900 words right now and I have quite a ways to go haha.
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Rush Hour. Definitely going to be an interesting game, with July being very familiar with this relatively older map. Of course, it's harder for Zerg to hold onto an FE, but then again, same for Protoss.
July top left, Much at 3:00.
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On December 16 2008 15:16 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:13 alphafuzard wrote: After he successfully defended the elevator and had both cc's finished before movie did, the game was basically over. Movie taking the island just weakened his ability to defend against the timing attack. Bogus's play was very solid, not genius, but solid. I think it was definitely in Movie to fend off that last push and live to the next battle. But he need to crush that push, which he didn't. I thought that Movies storming and push breaking micro were better than Bogus's push, but the unit difference was just too big. I would have to watch that part again to be sure tho ^.^
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Your 5000th post is probably sexy.
I guess I'll root for July, since I need some glimmer of hope for ZvP. No offense Grandpa Toss.
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July top left teal zerg Much mid right blue toss
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July plays some standard 12 hat 11 pool. Uh oh.
Game frozen.
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fucking pimp Overlord fake :D Much didn't scout at all because he didn't see overlord coming that way.
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Oh wait, it's not I don't think. My bad.
EDIT: Zealot behind minerals of july's nat, though he has lings and a sunken.
Nexus warping in for much, taking his gas now.
Lair mrphing for July. July sees the expansion, as well as three Zealots.
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Much with a pretty early scout... Looks like this is going to be a standard protoss vs zerg game... No expansion yet... mauby a fast corsair/shuttle push...
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why 'grandpa' toss? 'geezer' toss sounds better imo.
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July getting a fast Lair, looks to be up to something, maybe 2-hatch muta.
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much goes gateway first, but i cant see if he has one or two nexus going down for much with no cannons, i guess it was one gateway the zealot harass didn't do much
july's sunken finishing at his nat gas going down for much hydra den for july much adds 2nd gate
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July runs Zerglings into Much's main, sees gas and warping cy core.
Much cancels cy core and builds a forge intsead. Hydra den for july.
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Or not... Looks like a lurker build from July.
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On December 16 2008 15:22 mmgoose wrote: why 'grandpa' toss? 'geezer' toss sounds better imo.
Grandpa toss has a wise, benevolent connotation. Geezer toss has really negative connotation IMO.
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On December 16 2008 15:18 Empyrean wrote: @Sonuvbob: I concede the point. @thunk: I think LR'ing commercials is fun, honestly. And if someone with faster Live Reporting is also live reporting in the thread, I just sit back and watch the game until the commercials come online. I'm writing my 5000th post in the lulls of the games when nothing's going on. I'm at around 1900 words right now and I have quite a ways to go haha.
I was going to comment that you were coming up on your 5000th. I had something for my 5k too and I was going to write it and publish it around Christmas but it was going to be a real struggle to get there from here (especially since I'm gone for a lot of the days too). It'll have to wait until semester break or something for me.
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2 gate for much, forge finished. Zealots still chasing Zerglings. July mass producing Zerglings.
Zerglings attacking pylon, forced to rnu.
LOTS OF ZERGLINGS come in, and the Zerglings from the main sandwich some Zealots. Attacking Nexus. Probe drill to defend.
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July TUSHIN SMASHES Much's expansion, rapes zealots and forces probes to pull from main. Nexus going down.
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NEXUS DOWN!!! many lings for july trying to break the 3 zealot wall on the ramp probes come back, and it looks like much will hold
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Nexus goes down.
Also @ thunk, it took me four ish years to get 5000 posts haha...only took you a year.
July attacking up Much's ramp with Zerglings, and loses tons of them. Commentators are recommending cannons. Hydra out.
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I thought that expo was really unplanned by Much. Especially against July. Much will barely hold his ramp. And there be lurkers morphing there.
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lurker egg morphing on much's ramp, things looking bad for grampa toss lurker burys forcing zlot/probes off the ramp
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On December 16 2008 15:24 KreaGata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:22 mmgoose wrote: why 'grandpa' toss? 'geezer' toss sounds better imo. Grandpa toss has a wise, benevolent connotation. Geezer toss has really negative connotation IMO.
well he wasn't called grandpa for that, he just looked old for his age.
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What a rape. Classic July micro and sloppy zealot micro from Much
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Lurker burrows. Let Zerglings into the main, kill THE CANNON!
Much is contained by Lurkers INSIDE HIS BASE.
More Zerglings run in. And now I'm buffering. Ok, Zerglings kill Probes, Lurker around min line, clears out all of much's probes.
This is gg.
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that's what it should be like
p sucking
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3 protoss loses in a row!? this is better than sex.
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On December 16 2008 15:25 Empyrean wrote: Nexus goes down.
Also @ thunk, it took me four ish years to get 5000 posts haha...only took you a year.
July attacking up Much's ramp with Zerglings, and loses tons of them. Commentators are recommending cannons. Hydra out.
It might take me a year or so...I live report a lot. And I do a lot of commenting of games rather than playing and I hope to reverse it that in the coming months.
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On December 16 2008 15:25 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:24 KreaGata wrote:On December 16 2008 15:22 mmgoose wrote: why 'grandpa' toss? 'geezer' toss sounds better imo. Grandpa toss has a wise, benevolent connotation. Geezer toss has really negative connotation IMO. well he wasn't called grandpa for that, he just looked old for his age.
Yeah, I know. I just stated why I think Grandpa Toss is a cooler nickname than Geezer Toss.
... Man, that was a horrible game from Grandpa Toss. GJ July in any event.
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;o My predictions still hold true :D.
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I don't get it why they put much the weakest PvZ ever on earth against a zerg. WTF? Are CJ coaches so stupid? what are they morons?
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On December 16 2008 15:26 LosingID8 wrote: OVERRATED MUCH???
Vendetta much?
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On December 16 2008 15:26 LosingID8 wrote: OVERRATED MUCH???
I'm proud of him trying to go 1 gate quick nexus against the God of War.
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On December 16 2008 15:28 SlickR12345 wrote: I don't get it why they put much the weakest PvZ ever on earth against a zerg. WTF? Are CJ coaches so stupid? what are they morons?
They put in Much, not Backho. Much has a chance at least.
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On December 16 2008 15:28 thunk wrote:I'm proud of him trying to go 1 gate quick nexus against the God of War.
that's like saying 'im proud of my dog for trying to cross that busy highway'
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I'm gonna call effort taking this game, and the ace being hwasin vs iris
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On December 16 2008 15:28 SlickR12345 wrote: I don't get it why they put much the weakest PvZ ever on earth against a zerg. WTF? Are CJ coaches so stupid? what are they morons?
i really doubt they expected a zerg to be sent out there, i would imagine the STX coaches merely anticipated CJ expecting them to send out a terran and sent the zerg to counter Much. I could be wrong though.
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another shitfest from much
god he drives me crazy!
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It didn't even look like Much had an overall plan for that game. July just ate him.
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On December 16 2008 15:26 LosingID8 wrote: OVERRATED MUCH???
not much this time
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Lol the commentators are making fun of the other guys.
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This ZvZ can go either way. Both players seem to be on about the same level ZvZ, but Calm appears to have a somewhat more seasoned ZvZ, so I'm giving him the edge.
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If it goes to Ace, I think theyd send skyhigh again or Iris.
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And our beloved God of War prevails once again.
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On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal 
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On December 16 2008 15:32 alphafuzard wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal  Oh come on, if July came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, then came out naked you would so hit that.
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Gameclip! some random Korean game.
girl surrouded by monster things. she has weird armor on. Oh shit arcan elooking things around her. slayer. Also girl shooting tons. SUMMERONER IS A DRAGON OH WOW. Hey this game actually looks pretty cool, what with the spells and such. Dragon Scion.
Oh and here's the commercial for Karma 2 again. Golden Bazooka etc. Hmm, one guy seemed to be left handed. way to introduce diversity into this. I AM THROWING A PIPEBOMB. More rifle fire. lol that knife is going to be useless. Hiding behind sandbags. Korena text. now some talking. KARMA 2!!! And here comes the additional clip of a guy using a bazooka to fire into like 8 guys, who end up flying 100 feet into the air. German speaking. I think I hear schlagen.
Prius again. Wow three game commercials in a row. That little girl's gonna get raped by the gundams, just like last time. now she's casting some spell. Oh she meets a robot. good for her. evil wizard casting some spells looks purpose. more gameplay, some attacks. Involves lots of people spinning around, attacking things. Oh here are some cool graphics going on. Lots of shiny things. Almost 3000 damage from gundams with lances. Prius! online!
Ok Zombie again this is the fourth game commercial in a row, basically incorporating all the ones before along with dragon scion.
and now we're back to the game.
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I want July to move to SKT
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On December 16 2008 15:34 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:32 alphafuzard wrote:On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal  Oh come on, if July came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, then came out naked you would so hit that.
Eww fuck no. If it were like Brad Pitt in fight club or something, then yeah. I'd bend over for that so quick holy shit.
Also EffOrt in a badass looking pimp jacket with the CJ emblem emblazoned across the front. He looks like such a pimp in that heavy coat and that expression. Holy shit.
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On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT
Half a year late on that one.
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On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again.
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On December 16 2008 15:34 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:32 alphafuzard wrote:On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal  Oh come on, if July came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, then came out naked you would so hit that.
i really would, i am actually seriously considering some kind of july tatoo on my upper right back
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Paradoxically, EffOrt looks calmer than calm. Also he still looks like a super badass. Just look at him in that heavy jacket hahaha it's soooo cool. What a badass.
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On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again.
what happened?
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On December 16 2008 15:36 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:34 Fontong wrote:On December 16 2008 15:32 alphafuzard wrote:On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal  Oh come on, if July came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, then came out naked you would so hit that. i really would, i am actually seriously considering some kind of july tatoo on my upper right back seeee?
btw, they really should expect July though, you know why? July has NEVER been defeated on Andromeda. 7-0, 6 of which were protosses.
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On December 16 2008 15:35 Rostam wrote: calm doesn't look very calm to me.
He never does.
GO EFFORT!
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On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened?
Bisu happened. Bisu kept stalking July and July got pissed so he packed up and left again.
Reality though who knows? July just didn't like the atmosphere of the T1 house, felt that STX was better suited for his needs.
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Destination
EffOrt yellow zerg bottom, Calm purple zerg top.
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On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened?
July went to SKT to get away from Bisu. It didn't work.
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On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? July moved from MBC to SKT T1, but his performance was bad and I think the Coach, who knew July well, retired, making things worst, and he then moved to STX.
edit: make that fired, since SKT T1's performance was so bad that they wanted to restructure everything.
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On December 16 2008 15:36 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:36 Kuja900 wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Fontong wrote:On December 16 2008 15:32 alphafuzard wrote:On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal  Oh come on, if July came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, then came out naked you would so hit that. i really would, i am actually seriously considering some kind of july tatoo on my upper right back seeee? btw, they really should expect July though, you know why? July has NEVER been defeated on Andromeda. 7-0, 6 of which were protosses. But that game was on Rush Hour 3, not Andromeda.
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On December 16 2008 15:39 MuShu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? July moved from MBC to SKT T1, but his performance was bad and I think the Coach, who knew July well, retired, making things worst, and he then moved to STX.
And then July won an OSL over a SKT player, while SKT has had a string of shitty Zergs. Smooth.
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Oh yeah, wasn't that aficionado?
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EffOrt takes his gas before pool, and already has three drones on gas.
Calm now morphing in gas.
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STX house is right next to MBC house so it was a good fit for him to be near his former mbc friends in an atmosphere he liked, according to scforall mbc and stx have soccer matches often to so there is definetly a friendship between those two teams.
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Wow, calm playing a very risky build with an early expansion at his nat. EffOrt begins morphing his lair while calm's spawning pool just ifnished. EffOrt still on one hat, but he sees the expo.
Calm now morphing lair.
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Calm moving down the map with six lings, EffOrt has six above his ramp. Calm chilling out under the ramp.
Both players morphing a spire, with EffOrt having a slightly faster one but not by much.
EffOrt moves out with his lings! Kills all of calm's, though he doesn't capitalize on his advantage.
Now he is, attacking with the lings.
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On December 16 2008 15:39 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:36 Fontong wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 Kuja900 wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Fontong wrote:On December 16 2008 15:32 alphafuzard wrote:On December 16 2008 15:30 Empyrean wrote: Ok, Bogus got more cheers than July did, what is this : sex appeal  Oh come on, if July came to your house and asked to use the bathroom, then came out naked you would so hit that. i really would, i am actually seriously considering some kind of july tatoo on my upper right back seeee? btw, they really should expect July though, you know why? July has NEVER been defeated on Andromeda. 7-0, 6 of which were protosses. But that game was on Rush Hour 3, not Andromeda. wooops. keke. well my stream isnt working ok(read: radio broadcast /w slideshow)? i was still stuck on the last game.
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Calm has eight defending Zerglings against Calm's, looks like he can holy pretty much any attack.
Spire finished for both players, with EffOrt having a slightly faster one.
Calm has a better economy, though, with a faster nat.
EffOrt sneaks in some Zerglings into Calm's base! Kills one drone, then he runs away.
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Four Mutas from EffOrt vs. four for calm. They're just kind of hanging out.
Mutalisk harass from EffOrt! Kills one Zergling.
EffOrt has some Zerglings coming up the map, though Calm also has a nice count by his nat. EffOrt has Scourge as well! air engagement between EffOrt and his muta scourge vs. Calm's Muta only. Calm now has fewer Mutalisks thatn calm.
Calm has Zerglings on hold position, EffOrt sneaks some Zerglings into his main and kills some drones at the nat!
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Magnificent play from effort :D
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This is the worst fucking multitask from Calm
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EffOrt kills calm's nat with Zerglings. Calm's Zerglings were on hold position and didn't respond before dying.
It looks like Calm has a mutalisk advantage, though.
Three mutalisk in EffOrt's main while EffOrt morphs Scourge and mutalisks.
EffOrt has Zerglings in calm's main again since calm's Zerglings were on hold position, kill virtually all the drones.
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On December 16 2008 15:46 alphafuzard wrote: wow efforts ling/muta multitasking is really something to watch So is Calm's complete lack thereof.
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Calm's multitask the whole game was utter shit.
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another example of not to fast expand in zvz...
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calm's economy was such shit there.
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Good effort by Calm but Effort stayed calm to take the win
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EffOrt is the fucking man.
Calm looked sloppy as heck.
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EffOrt beautifully controls both Mutalisks/Scourge and Zerglings at the same time and completely overwhelms Calm's much sloppier control. Calm looks pissed.
EffOrt nonchalantly walks off, points to himself and he's like "me?" Haha. He's trying to supress a smile. He gets massive cheers from the crowd. Still looking quite pimptastic in that heavy jacket of his.
EffOrt controlled the game from start to finish. Very smart play combined with excellent control wins the game for him in a very one sided ZvZ. Again, I see big things for him!
EDIT: @jigga: very clever word play 
EDIT: Fuck I only have 11 posts to report on this ace match with...and my 5000th post isn't even done yet. Fuuuuck.
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I think Iris for CJ?
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that just seemed like a straight up speed difference win effort was able to get drone kills with his lings, and even snipe the nat hatchery while out microing on par with calm's mutas. once calm couldn't reproduce his mutas, it was gg
On December 16 2008 15:48 SuperJongMan wrote: What do you guys think is Ace match?
I think Iris for CJ? Im thinkin Iris vs Hwasin
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Calm had the BO advantage that game too, he would have won if he could have controlled his zerglings better.
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Neo Harmony...Iris for ace? perhaps skyhigh or effort again?
i would've said iris vs calm maybe but after the way calm played in that last game i'm not sure they'd want to send him back out there.
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At first I thought it'd go to Iris/Kal for ACE, but I won't be surprised at something like EffOrt/Hwasin.
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Would someone explain why 2 zergs were sent out on Destination? Destination seems to be balanced against Z in the two ZvX MUs. Add that to the fact that both players have their best MU against zerg...
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On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened?
There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors.
Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired.
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fucking sick zvz skills from Effort! I love how he split up his lings and used them so effectively. Ace is the only way to end this battle with justice. I'm personally hoping for mjy > anyone.
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...and Hwasin swoops in to clench the defeat for STX.
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c'mooon cj! who's up for ace?
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On December 16 2008 15:50 Deletrious wrote:...and Hwasin swoops in to clench the defeat for STX. Sounds like the Hwasin thing to do.
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On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired.
So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what?
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On December 16 2008 15:52 Fontong wrote:Sounds like the Hwasin thing to do. cj insurance gogo
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CJ knows that July > P/Z. They'll send Iris or possibly Skyhigh to counter July, and that's why STX will send Kal or Hwasin.
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It seems like STX might have to go with Kal here with the way Hwasin has been slumping and Calm's abysmal play in that last game. Who knows though?
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On December 16 2008 15:52 Plutonium wrote: CJ knows that July > P/Z. They'll send Iris or possibly Skyhigh to counter July, and that's why STX will send Kal or Hwasin.
July's zvz has been crap lately. Hoping for Kal, will probably get the H-bomb.
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The ace match music is always so epic.
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On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what?
Well, Bisu is a PvZ sniper, and July's a ZvP monster. They probably don't get along very well.
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Iris vs. Calm interesting...
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I doubt July will be sent out for Ace any time soon...
Perhaps Kal so he can redeem himself?
EDIT: Or Calm to do that too
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Nice, a TvZ to round it out.
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Does everyone in STX except July wear glasses? Seems like they practice too much...
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Hohoho~ Iris vs Calm.
EZ EZ IRIS.
IRISssssss my favorite CJ~
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Iris sure is getting a lot of playtime these days.
Edit: Is he a zerg sniper now?
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On December 16 2008 15:50 Deletrious wrote:...and Hwasin swoops in to clench the defeat for STX.
HWASIN FIGHTING!!!!!!
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On December 16 2008 15:55 Plutonium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what? Well, Bisu is a PvZ sniper, and July's a ZvP monster. They probably don't get along very well.
Oh I agree their rivalry is epic, doesn't seem like a reason for their to be personal tension. It's not like they took metals from each other like July and OOV.
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Hmm, a part of me wanted CJ to send in EffOrt. Not only because he'd have the psychological advantage against calm, but also for my fantasy proleague team
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Well I guess STX's faith in Calm remains strong. I suppose they didn't have much of a worse chance here than by sending out Kal so..nonetheless, go Iris!
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On December 16 2008 15:57 Empyrean wrote:Hmm, a part of me wanted CJ to send in EffOrt. Not only because he'd have the psychological advantage against calm, but also for my fantasy proleague team  Haha same here
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On December 16 2008 15:56 Fontong wrote: Iris sure is getting a lot of playtime these days.
Edit: Is he a zerg sniper now?
Hes the berserker if he doesnt get play time...bad things happen, you dont like him when hes angry. Which he might be after this match where calm might try to rush with a million lings.
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BTW, when did Iris become CJ Captain? It seems I only end up liking the captains of CJ... ForU?/Xellos/Iris/Much -_-;;
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Christ if they were going to send calm they might as well have sent July. He's played Iris alot.
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Hey Guys I just realized
ITS CALM VS BERSERKER, WHICH STATE OF MIND WILL PREVAIL?!
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On December 16 2008 15:57 Deletrious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:55 Plutonium wrote:On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what? Well, Bisu is a PvZ sniper, and July's a ZvP monster. They probably don't get along very well. Oh I agree their rivalry is epic, doesn't seem like a reason for their to be personal tension. It's not like they took metals from each other like July and OOV.
There was that drop match where Bisu might have done something to fuck up the network. He should have given him the match instead of trying for a regame and waiting for judge decision.
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On December 16 2008 15:58 heyoka wrote: GO CLAM
Yes, Im sure we all enjoy the beautiful lady parts of a female, but this quite off topic, sir.
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MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK, BERSERKER
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On December 16 2008 15:59 Plutonium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:57 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:55 Plutonium wrote:On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what? Well, Bisu is a PvZ sniper, and July's a ZvP monster. They probably don't get along very well. Oh I agree their rivalry is epic, doesn't seem like a reason for their to be personal tension. It's not like they took metals from each other like July and OOV. There was that drop match where Bisu might have done something to fuck up the network. He should have given him the match instead of trying for a regame and waiting for judge decision.
Oh I remember that, July wasted him with 2hatch hydra, hahahaha. Good times.
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On December 16 2008 16:00 SonuvBob wrote: MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK, BERSERKER In that it only gets 5 mpg????
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Calm top right zerg, Iris bottom left terran.
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Judging from Calm's crap game vs Effort, I would say Iris is coming in with a significant mental advantage, not to mention a somewhat t>z map (albeit a tiny sample space of games)
I see a top form Iris steamrolling Calm
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Calm just lost..why would they send him out o.O
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On December 16 2008 16:02 jigga wrote: Calm just lost..why would they send him out o.O Maybe it was planned ahead of time?
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On December 16 2008 16:02 jigga wrote: Calm just lost..why would they send him out o.O
Probably because TvZ is Iris's weakest matchup and they feel like Calm has been doing better than July lately.
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12 hatch 11 pool by calm, iris scouts after supply calm not saving larvae for lings, looks like he wants to power drones early gas and 3rd hatch going down for calm
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Only nine posts left that I can use!
<_<
I better conserve them.
Terran fast expands, Zerg does as well, with a third hat at ramp. Zerg is taking gas, hat already finished at nat.
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Game is looking pretty standard so far!
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Oh shoot, Iris is on a 6 game win streak in TvZ. Didn't see that one.
His overall TvZ percentage is still one of the worst in progaming though.
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OH FUCK I JUST REALIZED IRIS IS IN MY FANTASY TEAM.
All the more reason to cheer him and a CJ win .
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Calm could use a sunken or three about now.
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On December 16 2008 16:02 jigga wrote: Calm just lost..why would they send him out o.O
In proleagues map is a very decisive factor. Calm has played on Harmony in ace before and won against ForGG. I'm sure it's just a familiarity thing.
Edit: That and the fact that Hwasin the default terran to send on harmony is just horrible lately.
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On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what?
I forgot to mention b.5, that SKT1 wasn't doing so hot either. I don't know, they just don't get along. And if you look at their history of games July is 3-2, but his 2nd win (on blue storm) was a disconnect between Bisu and July with July given the win. If you look at the game, Bisu was so far behind but at the time Bisu was Bisu-unbeatable and if a DT was out the game would have been a rematch. But the DT wasn't out and the win was given to July. And the ones in the Bacchus and Incruit OSL they played each other in the group stages, and then the tie breakers. (Bisu advanced both times; they did not meet in the Ever OSL). They have a close rivalry going.
From here on out, it's speculation: You can probably also relate it to the fact that Bisu is the PvZ killer who invented the Protoss FE and July is the type of person to go for the 2 hatch hydra cannon breaks or ling all-ins every time and I bet that caused some friction. In the most dramatic sense, it is a battle of styles. You can't forget that MBC is July's team. He built it from POS, from his own effort. Bisu came in, FE'd his way to victory, and became the face of MBC. I can't remember who was traded first, but I think it was July, and he was forced to leave his team (to SKT1) and Bisu then followed. I bet that was annoying for July. If Bisu was traded first, this point is only marginally valid; July was playing poorly when Bisu was dominate though.
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iris's cc finishes, iris unable to get his scv into calm's main again
nat gas going down for calm
speed lings snipe 2 scvs at iris's nat
spire for calm, but its a fake, iris's eng bay going down
a few lings sneak through, but are dealt with quickly
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Calm doing the Savior build.
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iris pushes out, calm trying to get sunkens down
calm takes bottom right, with 2 hydras ready to morph on teh ramp calms queens nest is starting quickly lurkers pop, looks like iris is going to try and use his initial mmf force to contain
factory finished for iris with port coming in hive started morphing for calm
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I haven't seen MnM versus Lurker micro in a while.
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I have no idea how Calm intends to stop Iris's midgame ball, it's going to hit his sunken line before defilers are out.
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Emp I'll LR if you want me to.
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HOLY SHIT I JUST NOTICED THERE'S NO MORE 2V2 IN PROLEAGUE! seriously.
ps. Go calm lol
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In fact, Emp, I'll live LR so you can save the use of your posts.
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Iris going sci vessels and 1 fact tank to fend off the lurker push. Zerg going defiler.
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me thinks Calm has this one
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2 more rax for Iris, Calm indicates he wants to lock up upper left for himself, as well as lower left.
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On December 16 2008 16:07 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what? I forgot to mention b.5, that SKT1 wasn't doing so hot either. I don't know, they just don't get along. And if you look at their history of games July is 3-2, but his 2nd win (on blue storm) was a disconnect between Bisu and July with July given the win. If you look at the game, Bisu was so far behind but at the time Bisu was Bisu-unbeatable and if a DT was out the game would have been a rematch. But the DT wasn't out and the win was given to July. And the ones in the Bacchus and Incruit OSL they played each other in the group stages, and then the tie breakers. (Bisu advanced both times; they did not meet in the Ever OSL). They have a close rivalry going. From here on out, it's speculation: You can probably also relate it to the fact that Bisu is the PvZ killer who invented the Protoss FE and July is the type of person to go for the 2 hatch hydra cannon breaks or ling all-ins every time and I bet that caused some friction. In the most dramatic sense, it is a battle of styles. You can't forget that MBC is July's team. He built it from POS, from his own effort. Bisu came in, FE'd his way to victory, and became the face of MBC. I can't remember who was traded first, but I think it was July, and he was forced to leave his team (to SKT1) and Bisu then followed. I bet that was annoying for July. If Bisu was traded first, this point is only marginally valid; July was playing poorly when Bisu was dominate though.
Ah thanks muchos. I had heard July left MBC because he didn't feel they were paying him what he was worth. I didn't know he built the team though? But Bisu becoming the face of his team would definitely make sense. July keeps winning in the group stages and losing the tie breakers, I would love to see those two in a real b03, bo5.
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Iris loses a few marines, but then a Marine flank rapes five lurkers.
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WOOOW THAT WAS AWESOME AFTER LOSING THOSE MARINES CARELESSLY LOL.
What happened was a 2 pronged attack on about 5 lurks on a raised part of harmony. Happened so fast.
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Wow, really nice flank and mnm micro by Iris. He just ripped apart 4 lurkers.
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defiler mound morphing for calm iris is moving around with his mmf ball still, trying to pick off stray units
science vessels building for iris
calm takes top left as well, trying to get up a fast 4 gas
iris carelessly loses marines to lurker spines
small skirmish, iris cleans up the few lurks
defilers done for calm, looks like they are on time to defend the push
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HOLY SHIT IRIS JUST INTENTIONALLY RAN INTO LURKS TO SET UP A FLANK
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Iris just flanked ans slaughtered 5 lurkers with 2 groups of mnm.
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Calm is really ballsy in taking these corner expos.
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Defilers out for Calm, vults + minds out for Iris. Both are macroing up a storm, and Calm's trying to set up a nice Swarm/Flank.
Vessel sniped.
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On December 16 2008 16:12 Vivi57 wrote: HOLY SHIT IRIS JUST INTENTIONALLY RAN INTO LURKS TO SET UP A FLANK Doubt it. Great flank nontheless.
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calm lifts thos lurkers for some reason
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yah sounds like calms doing a Savior lol
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On December 16 2008 16:12 Plutonium wrote: Calm is really ballsy in taking these corner expos.
He is, it's paying off too. He gets 4 gas and he's setting up a pretty tough defense to crack. He's at 4 gas and it'll be fine for him to make large armies.
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consume is done, and calm is looking very good this game. his nydus canals are morphing, and top left base is finished building.
calm is killing the temple behind iris's 3rd expo, looks like he plans to lurker harass there
dual drop at bottom right, but a defiler is there, and iris reloads and runs
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Iris made two dropships, is going to send them toward scourge. Sends them toward lower left, but the drop doesn't do much damage because of the nydus.
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TVZ HYDRALURKER
RESSURECTION !
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Iris tries again, this time to upper left. He brings vessels, too.
Calm moves to defend, looks like not much damage is going to be done.
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Oh man, Calm shuts down Iris' min only with lurkers breaking through the back.
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great defense by calm, using his nydus canals effectively the lurkers get alot of scv kills at iris's 3rd expo (good call by me )
dual drop in calm's main hydra den goes down, but the drop is killed quickly
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Iris' drop gets plagued and ripped apart. It's really looking back for Iris.
Cavern going up for Calm.
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Calm beats mnm with hydraling. LOL how embarrasing.
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More vessel less dropship.
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Thanks, thunk.
Also, Calm is displaying much better multitask in this game, being able to effectively use his Nydus Canals to defend against the multi-pronged attacks by Iris' dropships very well. Great Nydus use...they actually serve a purpose in this game!
This is definitely the game to watch of the night.
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4 dropship drops going down for Iris; Calm running around with weak sauron.
3 vessels and a small mnm force roaming the map.
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Iris is using such a sexy style this game lol.
Calm defending well but this drop is raping in his main.
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IRIS RIPPING UP CALM'S MAIN
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Massive drop in Calm's main, takes out a lot of army but not a lot of tech yet.
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Woww Awesome drop with 4 dropships by iris. He is cleaning out the tech of Calm.
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3 factories for iris, looks like he plans on transitioning to counter the hydralurkdefiler play 4 dropships for iris, but he is having trouble making them effective drop in main again with tanks, and is elevatoring units in doing alot of damage
defiler mound down, ultra cavern down, 2 hatchs down spire down, and the drop units are still alive for the most part
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Oh man, Almost all ove Calm's tech goes down.
But Iris' drop gets plagued.
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he had the units to defend that but fucked up the micro
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Devastating drop on the main from Iris! Iris now has a crapload of tanks too.
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Holy shit, Iris makes games so entertaining sometimes.
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Rips up drones; but the drop is done. Iris distance mining gas from the 6 expo. We'll see if the drop slowed down Calm enough. Calm expanded to bottom right nat and Iris attacks, it. Clam throws up a swarm and defends.
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Calm's rebuilt all of his tech by now. Iris motioning to retake 6 third from lurkers.
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calm cleans up the drop after losing all his tech iris taking 9:00 base, the lurkers at 6:00 are killing his mining time
4 dropship drop at top left, but ultras are there to defend
iris has both 6:00 and 9:00 cc's lifted, looks like calm will roll over him with more bases
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4 dropship assault on upper right, gets spotted and lurkers are there.
Calm shuts down mynarding SCVs with lurkers at 9 o'clock third.
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This game is actually really good. 4 more dropships, I wonder what Iris is going for now.
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Iris slaughters Calm.
What a rape. Steamrolled bot right and dropped the main.
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jesus thsi game is fun to watch
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This is such a great game! So many great moves by both players.
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I CANNOT TYPE FAST ENOUGH TO DESCRIBE WHAT IS HAPPENING
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Well, they're the same 4 dropships, but they're giving Iris the mobility to stand a chance against hydra lurker, which is soon going to turn into ultra ling.
Iris attacks bottom right nat and simtanously drops main. Clam counters, at Iris' Expansion.
Calm attacks Irs' main.
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WTF. Iris just totally dropped the soap on that main drop.
Shitty multitasking from Iris, he flew the dropships into the corner of the main, flying passed all the buildings.
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quad drop in main again iris simultaneously attack bottom right with his main force
calm counters at 6:00 iris cleans out bottom right, but his drop didn't do much ultras coming into iris's nat and there isnt much to defend
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Damn, Calm has way too many imbalisks
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irriating ultra bomb on SCV lol
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Clam now committing the rest of his force. Iris drops nat, now moving upper left.
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This game is really showcasing the glory that is TvZ.
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Omg this game.... glad I watched this series out!
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Crazy game, I think only Calm's mining, and that's from top left.
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clutch swarm is raping iris
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Calm counters with ultras at 6 and T nat simultaneously, cancelling out his loss of the bottom bases.
Now he runs his ultra blob into a bunch of tanks, and kills them!
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GG From Iris
Damn he was doing good too t.t.
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EXCELLENT game
Calm pulls through, iris is vanquished
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huge battle, tanks vs ultras ultras with swarm clean up and iris gg's
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Iris runs out of Mnm, Caalm runs in with Ultra, ling, swarming the seiged tanks. Vessels out of energy. Iris GG's.
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and clam pulls through awesome
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Sick aggression from Iris, shame he was 2 exps down the whole game. =/
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Great game. Sad to see Iris lose, but at the same time, great to see awesome Z play from Calm.
3 - 2 STX!
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Iris has very sloppy TvZ. Iris's TvZ is like a drunken mess.
He is aggressive and all over the place but sloppy as fuck.
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Iris killed all of calm's tech but then calm stockpiled like a BILLION gas so when he rebuilt his tech he could just mass produce ultras
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Woo won my liquibet.
Iris really missed the timing windows early on.
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Calm, excellent~! Truly, redemption for his loss in game 4. STX SouL Fighting~~
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Yea that was a great game. Iris' decision to go 4 dropship may not have been that smart initially but after awhile he really taxed Calm's mulititask and made it close.
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On December 16 2008 16:24 TheTyranid wrote: Iris has very sloppy TvZ. Iris's TvZ is like a drunken mess.
He is aggressive and all over the place but sloppy as fuck.
yeh it is kind of like a drunken rabble sometimes : )
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Definitely the game of the night....also I'm glad I didn't LR it, since I definitely would've run out of posts. Calm comes back from his disappointing loss to EffOrt due to lack of multitask to come back, and uhh...multitask his way to victory.
<_<
He had great defense HAHAA I JUST SAW TOSSGIRL in defending against Iris' drops everywhere, especially with his great use of Nydus canals to offset the mobility advantage of the dropships. Great play by Calm, and this is definitely the recommended game of the series.
Good job!
Also EffOrt owns.
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what the fuck which stream u used? yaoyuan down omfg
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Fuck I hate life right now. Why did CJ have to lose? They played so well today .
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On December 16 2008 16:24 TheTyranid wrote: Iris has very sloppy TvZ. Iris's TvZ is like a drunken mess.
He is aggressive and all over the place but sloppy as fuck.
Eh, Calm was even more sloppy that game, I'm not sure what you're talking about! His greedy play payed off - Iris didn't find the expos fast enough to do anything about them, but still turned it into a good game.
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Oh yea Emp - I thought that Calm wasn't showing better multitask but rather that in TvZ, when T drops the onus is on T to have good drops. Clam started having trouble toward the end, when Iris' drops were causing more trouble.
Calm did a great job shutting down the expos of Iris. If he didn't, he would have lost.
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Well good day for zerg, bad day for protoss. I'm satisfied. Wish I had better than a slide show. Come on Nevake...
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I hate to see Iris lose ( I FUCKING LOVE THAT GUY), but it's good to see STX win.
GGs
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It was like Iris doesn't know how to irradiate defilers. He could have cracked Calm's nat easily if he just had irradiated the first defiler after he took out those five lurkers. Instead, he just flew his vessel right by and let like 2 lurkers under swarm stop him.
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On December 16 2008 16:26 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 16:24 TheTyranid wrote: Iris has very sloppy TvZ. Iris's TvZ is like a drunken mess.
He is aggressive and all over the place but sloppy as fuck. Eh, Calm was even more sloppy that game, I'm not sure what you're talking about! His greedy play payed off - Iris didn't find the expos fast enough to do anything about them, but still turned it into a good game. I am talking about the fact that Iris has sloppy TvZ. Calm being also sloppy doesn't mean that Iris isn't as well.
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Calm stopped Iris' 6 game win streak vs Zerg. Damn.
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Man, epic match. Sword produces FREAKING AWESOME games .
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On December 16 2008 16:11 Deletrious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 16:07 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what? I forgot to mention b.5, that SKT1 wasn't doing so hot either. I don't know, they just don't get along. And if you look at their history of games July is 3-2, but his 2nd win (on blue storm) was a disconnect between Bisu and July with July given the win. If you look at the game, Bisu was so far behind but at the time Bisu was Bisu-unbeatable and if a DT was out the game would have been a rematch. But the DT wasn't out and the win was given to July. And the ones in the Bacchus and Incruit OSL they played each other in the group stages, and then the tie breakers. (Bisu advanced both times; they did not meet in the Ever OSL). They have a close rivalry going. From here on out, it's speculation: You can probably also relate it to the fact that Bisu is the PvZ killer who invented the Protoss FE and July is the type of person to go for the 2 hatch hydra cannon breaks or ling all-ins every time and I bet that caused some friction. In the most dramatic sense, it is a battle of styles. You can't forget that MBC is July's team. He built it from POS, from his own effort. Bisu came in, FE'd his way to victory, and became the face of MBC. I can't remember who was traded first, but I think it was July, and he was forced to leave his team (to SKT1) and Bisu then followed. I bet that was annoying for July. If Bisu was traded first, this point is only marginally valid; July was playing poorly when Bisu was dominate though. Ah thanks muchos. I had heard July left MBC because he didn't feel they were paying him what he was worth. I didn't know he built the team though? But Bisu becoming the face of his team would definitely make sense. July keeps winning in the group stages and losing the tie breakers, I would love to see those two in a real b03, bo5.
Oh yea, salary was a big deal too. Forgot about that bit.
He did built it - he was on POS as POS July, which became MBC. MBC was orginally July/Pusan's team. Then started adding all these great players - Notably Sea, Bisu, and Light, using their depth to become proleague winners. They've the home to players like Shark, Ruby, Saint, TheZerg, 910, Hyun, and I'm sure I'm missing some old schoolers. But July was the original big name.
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Was an STX player just making out with his hand as he looked Tossgirl's way? Hahaha
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I love how the MBC commentators color coordinate their shirts. Sad that Nal_Ra is among them rather than on the bench. Even B-team Tossgirl gets to sit on the bench.
That Ace match was really good. Not going to lie.
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Actually now that I think about Calm's build was fucking awesome that game. It looked like a fake 2-hatch muta (even had the spire build at the same time as the den and built the 3rd hatch at the bottom of his base so it wouldn't get scanned) with the 12 speedlings. He then just used his fast lurkers to defend his 3rd (and later 4th) and basically hive-rushed. He then used lurker-ling-defiler for the most part, with a healthy amount of upgraded hydras which forced iris to make a lot of tanks. Then he transitioned into ultras. It was a really fucking awesome Build.
+ Show Spoiler + Or maybe I'm just looking too much into it lol.
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On December 16 2008 16:33 thunk wrote: I love how the MBC commentators color coordinate their shirts. Sad that Nal_Ra is among them rather than on the bench. Even B-team Tossgirl gets to sit on the bench.
That Ace match was really good. Not going to lie. Well, he looks like he really enjoys commentating, he's always smiling. I'd prefer if he was still playing and kicking ass, but if he lost his motivation and decided to move on, I'll be happy for him.
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On December 16 2008 16:26 thunk wrote: Calm did a great job shutting down the expos of Iris. If he didn't, he would have lost. And Iris didn't put much effort into keeping them. =/
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i forgot berserker was Iris
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On December 16 2008 16:34 Ideas wrote:Actually now that I think about Calm's build was fucking awesome that game. It looked like a fake 2-hatch muta (even had the spire build at the same time as the den and built the 3rd hatch at the bottom of his base so it wouldn't get scanned) with the 12 speedlings. He then just used his fast lurkers to defend his 3rd (and later 4th) and basically hive-rushed. He then used lurker-ling-defiler for the most part, with a healthy amount of upgraded hydras which forced iris to make a lot of tanks. Then he transitioned into ultras. It was a really fucking awesome Build. + Show Spoiler + Or maybe I'm just looking too much into it lol.
Well Iris did see 3 hatch build, so no 2 hatch.
Main things why this build worked out good. Fake spire and weak 3 hatch base play and hiding lurkers. Calm managed to take all Iris m&m from natural to kill those 2 lurkers and drones could maynard with no problems to 3rd gas (kept expansion hidden).
Iris scouted his 4th gas attempt before he even did know that Calm had 3rd gas up and running (I guess he guessed possible expansion somewhere). Perhaps he felt he was way ahead but failed to scout
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The team standings are currently very silly. Lecaf has 4 less games played than some teams, yeesh.
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On December 16 2008 16:11 Deletrious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 16:07 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:52 Deletrious wrote:On December 16 2008 15:50 thunk wrote:On December 16 2008 15:36 mmgoose wrote:On December 16 2008 15:35 MuShu wrote:On December 16 2008 15:34 Manit0u wrote: I want July to move to SKT That didn't work out the first time, probably won't again. what happened? There wasn't really any one reason, it was a combination of factors. Rumors include (in order of relevancy): a) tension with Bisu, who had also moved to SKT from MBC b) poor performance from July c) being coached by iloveOOv, rival and then-retired. So what is the history between July and Bisu? They don't like each other or what? I forgot to mention b.5, that SKT1 wasn't doing so hot either. I don't know, they just don't get along. And if you look at their history of games July is 3-2, but his 2nd win (on blue storm) was a disconnect between Bisu and July with July given the win. If you look at the game, Bisu was so far behind but at the time Bisu was Bisu-unbeatable and if a DT was out the game would have been a rematch. But the DT wasn't out and the win was given to July. And the ones in the Bacchus and Incruit OSL they played each other in the group stages, and then the tie breakers. (Bisu advanced both times; they did not meet in the Ever OSL). They have a close rivalry going. From here on out, it's speculation: You can probably also relate it to the fact that Bisu is the PvZ killer who invented the Protoss FE and July is the type of person to go for the 2 hatch hydra cannon breaks or ling all-ins every time and I bet that caused some friction. In the most dramatic sense, it is a battle of styles. You can't forget that MBC is July's team. He built it from POS, from his own effort. Bisu came in, FE'd his way to victory, and became the face of MBC. I can't remember who was traded first, but I think it was July, and he was forced to leave his team (to SKT1) and Bisu then followed. I bet that was annoying for July. If Bisu was traded first, this point is only marginally valid; July was playing poorly when Bisu was dominate though. Ah thanks muchos. I had heard July left MBC because he didn't feel they were paying him what he was worth. I didn't know he built the team though? But Bisu becoming the face of his team would definitely make sense. July keeps winning in the group stages and losing the tie breakers, I would love to see those two in a real b03, bo5.
Nice fiction. Now for some facts:
July left MBC over a salary slash during contract renegotiation, which didn't make sense since he played a big role in MBC winning the PL through out 06. With fist full of moola SKT scooped up July, and Bisu soon after. Now, there's no documented rivalry outside of televised esports b/w July and Bisu. Even then it's made up by fan hype cus, naturally, they each specialize in destroying the other. Rivalry? Okay. Friction? Dreamed up.
I can think of one guy in SKT July hates though, and he hates July. He's also a senior on the team (you know what that means). Yeah, it's Gorush. These two can't stand each other, if they discuss strategy they disagree on everything. So if there's a source of tension from inside SKT1 affecting July, it's Gorush and his seniority. Personally I hate 'em, haven't done jack after leaving GO and arrogant as hell.
Since transferring to STX, July's done much better. STX is a young team, and to an old, accomplished player like July, there's no one else like him there. It's home.
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Noooo movie, whats happening to you, you looked so promising and now youve lost to an ace player/bogus T_T
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Very good to see STX won a PL match.
I wanted to see this "sKyhigh" kid, since it was the first time I've ever heard of him. I guess I'll have to download and watch the vods and see for myself what is he all about. 
I'm glad that Effort and July won though. <3
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On December 16 2008 21:03 Scaramanga wrote: Noooo movie, whats happening to you, you looked so promising and now youve lost to an ace player/bogus T_T
To be fair, the ACE player was a Death God.
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On December 16 2008 17:48 .risingdragoon wrote:
Nice fiction. Now for some facts:
I can think of one guy in SKT July hates though, and he hates July. He's also a senior on the team (you know what that means). Yeah, it's Gorush. These two can't stand each other, if they discuss strategy they disagree on everything. So if there's a source of tension from inside SKT1 affecting July, it's Gorush and his seniority. Personally I hate 'em, haven't done jack after leaving GO and arrogant as hell.
On December 16 2008 17:48 .risingdragoon wrote:
Nice fiction.
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Aw well I gain some points. t_t movie.
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Woot the God Of War fighting !!! sad for CJ thought i think that they deserve to reach playoffs their lineup at least has depth with the new players rising .
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On December 17 2008 02:30 SuperJongMan wrote:stuff
now that's documented baby
another reason why gorush sucks azZ
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With the win in the closer at least Calm redeemed himself .
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that makes july 5-0 vs p this proleague i think awesome.
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lol @ Empyrean LRing commercials.
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Aww, I thought this was a new PL; the calendar doesn't load for me.
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Man, Savior needs to play + win some PL games before the next KESPA rankings or he'll be out of the top 30 =O
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Savior played in the MSL survivor, that counts towards KeSPA I think.
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