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[PL] Samsung KHAN vs KTF MagicNs - Page 4

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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-14 05:02:36
December 14 2008 04:59 GMT
#61
On December 14 2008 13:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 13:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On December 14 2008 13:21 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On December 14 2008 13:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On December 14 2008 13:08 Vasoline73 wrote:
For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams.

For instance...


KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out

Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO)

Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...)

Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there.

A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though

I believe that Stork>Jangbi in all Matchups. Maybe not PvZ but I'm still iffy, all Jangbi has shown in his PvZ lately is that he can macro. No outstanding Reaver/Sair usage or tricky tech switches.
There is a lot more to pvz than macro, which is why Stork is subpar at it. Jangbi understands the match up, he has good game sense and good multitasking. You don't need to have amazing sair/dt in order to be a great pvz player.

Stork is not subpar at PvZ, he's decent, just like Jangbi. Jangbi shows a sufficient understanding of PvZ. Like vs Effort, he took his nat and pressured at the same time, but his attack was ineffective and gave a slight advantage to Effort. Jangbi is not great at PvZ, actually, it's more accurate to say that his PvZ is untested. We can't say if he's good at it or not unless he actually beats real players, and his lose to Effort does not help his cause. Don't say effort is on a tear; he was on a tear, but he's inconsistent. Effort didn't play godly in that game either, but he did play great, something that Jangbi has lost to.
What top players is Jangbi suppose to fucking beat? Every zerg play sucks ass right now, beating the plethora that he has, is as legitimate as any player beating roughly 60% of a race's good players, decisively.

Jangbi's pvz is very good, Storks is mediocre.

Why are you cussing, it's not like I dissed Jangbi or anything, look at the facts, ok? Look at what I said.
"actually, it's more accurate to say that his PvZ is untested."
Look at his game vs Effort.
Even if all the zergs suck right now, Jangbi has only beaten the suckiest of the sucky zergs.
Edit: Oh, Stork does not have Mediocre PvZ, many of his losses recently came from Jaedong back when he had invicible ZvP. While it may not be as prominent has his other two gosu MUs, it's definitely not mediocre.
Jaedong
Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
December 14 2008 05:01 GMT
#62
samsung vs ktf vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:1251
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
December 14 2008 05:01 GMT
#63
Flash vs Stork, most sexcellent.
Pulp can move, baby!
BreaK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada890 Posts
December 14 2008 05:02 GMT
#64
THANKS CORINTHOS!
formerly ClouD.BreaK ~ gogo KTF! & Liquid!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 14 2008 05:02 GMT
#65
wonder wht the special occasion this is
Forever Young
OSWater
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1343 Posts
December 14 2008 05:03 GMT
#66
corinthos one day ill felate you
Douglas is the king of the mountain, and the mountain is great
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
December 14 2008 05:03 GMT
#67
ktf getting awarded for first to 100 wins
wraiths go pew pew
FMGustave
Profile Joined February 2008
United States81 Posts
December 14 2008 05:04 GMT
#68
What award is that guy (coach?) getting?

And OMG Corinthos comes through with his amazing streams.
Cobalt
Profile Joined April 2008
United States441 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-14 05:06:11
December 14 2008 05:04 GMT
#69
My ideal result for fantasy reasons:

(P)Stork > (T)Flash
(Z)Juni < (P)Tempest
(T)firebathero < (Z)815
(P)JangBi > (Z)Luxury
(P)Stork > (T)Flash (or other KTF ace)

Stork is my captain, and I have 815 and KTF on my roster...but I have to pick a Stork win over a KTF win
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
December 14 2008 05:04 GMT
#70
Tempest did beat Best, and can beat fbh despite losing to him in the MSL, hes a deceint choice I suppose. But I see no reason not to send flash. Luxury doesnt have an advantage against any one of khans 3 monsters.
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
December 14 2008 05:05 GMT
#71
thanks for the stream Corinthos
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 14 2008 05:06 GMT
#72
On December 14 2008 14:01 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs ktf vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:1251

<3, its 6am and i just woke up for this, without your stream i would have to go to bed again ^^
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 14 2008 05:06 GMT
#73
Thanks Corinthos. I hope Flash is directly clockwise from Stork. I really do.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 14 2008 05:06 GMT
#74
On December 14 2008 14:05 ambit!ous1 wrote:
thanks for the stream Corinthos

eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 14 2008 05:06 GMT
#75
What happened to the proleague theme music? It's always this weird metal stuff, except for apparently today.

Not that I'm complaining, but it's somewhat unusual.
Liquipedia
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
December 14 2008 05:06 GMT
#76
If Flash loses, then I think Samsung will take the match. My prediction:

Stork < Flash
Juni < Tempest
FBH > 815
Jangbi > Luxury
FBH > Luxury

O
Y -> crotchdance
^
May the BeSt man win.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
December 14 2008 05:07 GMT
#77
Ty for Vlc link!
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 14 2008 05:07 GMT
#78
There's a Blizzard commercial for WOW ROTLK. And A women getting stuck in a elevator.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
December 14 2008 05:09 GMT
#79
Corinthos FTW!

how does he do it, anyway!
Tonyy
Profile Joined December 2007
United States86 Posts
December 14 2008 05:09 GMT
#80
The duam player is being a bit laggy for me, is it for anyone else?
Is there life guards at the spawning pool?
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