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Odds and Interesting Facts
Results
HOW TO WATCH???
1. Daum Player
2. Daum sports
3. YaoYuan (TVAnts required)
+ Show Spoiler +*Note: Due to the Daylight Savings thingy, I won't be here for this one. If someone could update the results for me, that'd be great. Thanks.
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GOGO CJ!!!!! I like both teams but Savior is playing so CJ ftw
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
oops can someone change the thread title so that there's a space between [PL] amd CJ? It makes it easier to look things up later. sorry.
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lol you seriously believe in it  ?
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this is soooo a must watch cant wait 
 EffOrt < by.great ( i think effort is better but its zvsz and i want to see Iris play)
 Much > JangBi (average pvp cant stand up to Much)
sAviOr > TT (no way savior is going to drop this)
 Iris > firebathero (Berserker crushes silly dancer)
3:1 CJ
Id like seeing Savior crush Fbh in the ace match 2 but it wont go that far.
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fixed
but seriously, those are my predictions.
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I hope the destroyer plays Firebathero in the ace match, marking the beginning of the end of 2009.
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by.great
Janbi
Savior
FBH
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I totally forgot about this, but Jangbi's TLPD picture should be changed =p
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by.great
jangbi
savior
Irs (hoping but probably fbh)
and hoping for an FBH vs. Savior showdown, that woudl be epic.
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You can use [indent] instead of the underscores btw.
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I GIVE YOU MY POWER SAVIOR!
I SEE THE FUTURE AND YOU WILL WIN!
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i'm so sick of mirror matches in pro league
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United States12607 Posts
On November 03 2008 07:26 freelander wrote:
fbh 9-1 tvt
holy shit
That's only because TLPD isn't updated with his GOM games yet - he lost 0-2 to [T] Bogus from STX in the Ro64.
Both of those games were really wacky (cheese attempted by FBH and then by Bogus) and they make FBH 10-3 in his last 13, which is still crazy - especially when you look at his schedule. He's basically played every power Terran in SC right now.
Iris is a TvT god of old, but FBH's TvT is too strong (it's even better than his TvZ, just much less hyped).
Edit, oh yeah, predictions:
EffOrt > by.great - both of these guys are hot new Zergs, but I think EffOrt's ZvZ must be superior given all of his excellent mentors and practice partners at CJ.
Much < JangBi - neither of these two has ever been super strong at PvP, but JangBi has been showing far better all-around play lately. Also, JangBi will be practicing this MU like crazy in anticipation of his MSL semi against Kal - and he can play against Stork whenever he wants. JangBi also has the mental advantage because he's coming off of a 3-0 rape of Yarnc.
sAviOr < TT - old-school brawl! Stork gets some time off after taking the OSL, and hence we get to see former 2v2 star TT. I remember some KHAN players hyping TT for his seamless transition to 1v1, so I'll pick him here. I have no particular love for MJY, but he is pretty hot right now. This one is a tossup.
Iris < firebathero - (see above)
In the event of an ace: EffOrt > Stork - I'll assume that, even though he isn't in the lineup, Stork will be on the bench for this match. In that case, CJ can't really play Much or Iris. If sAviOr wins I think they'll send him, otherwise it will be EffOrt. I hate Stork so I'll pick him to blow the match for KHAN, vs.-type-b style.
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I quit watching every pro game shortly after Iris' OSL semi vs Savior and his absolute dominance in TvT, I refuse to believe FBH has a chance. 
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lol i see CJ 3:0 khan
but please god, let it end with a savior vs fbh ace!
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FBH Vs Savior for ace pure sex.
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TT vs Savior a toss up? lol..come on man seriously. Im not even a savior fan but really thats a game savior should win.
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On November 03 2008 08:13 ShmotZ wrote:
lol i see CJ 3:0 khan
but please god, let it end with a savior vs fbh ace!
ya srsly, this is going to be utter rape, i think much is the only one that might drop a game because he's been slumping l8ly.
3-0 or 3-1, no way this is going to ace, but would love to see savior crush fbh for ace 
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effort
jangbi
sAvi
iris or effort ace
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I see this going into Ace, with Effort, Jangbi, Savior, and FBH winning. The Savior vs. TT game will be the most interesting, if only because I'm curious to see what build TT has in plan for Savior.
Btw, Stork is unavailable because of WCG correct? Not that I think it matters much, as I see Jangbi in ace match given CJ's roster.
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WCG starts around Nov. 14th. (Nvm, I'm dumb) Besides, Jaedong is playing tonight. I think Stork is just taking a break (maybe with his gf?). He's deserved it.
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WCG starts Nov. 5th, 2 days from now. That said I'm pretty sure all the Korean WCG participants will go together and since Jaedong's playing, Stork's probably still there too.
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Savior vs TT is indeed a treat for those Savior fans... Even if the guy is slumping like mad, there's no way he'll lose to a 2v2 player. Maestro win +1... too bad the rest of the matchups arent looking so good for cj.
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On November 03 2008 10:52 Orome wrote:
WCG starts Nov. 5th, 2 days from now. That said I'm pretty sure all the Korean WCG participants will go together and since Jaedong's playing, Stork's probably still there too.
Thanks. That's crazy just how little they prepare for WCG. So I guess Stork is just taking a break then. Well, here's hoping Khan can hold on until Stork can play again. But at least we get to see how their young players do.
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United States12607 Posts
On November 03 2008 08:39 mog87 wrote:
TT vs Savior a toss up? lol..come on man seriously. Im not even a savior fan but really thats a game savior should win.
We're not talking about Bonjwa Savior here...we're talking about 2008 Savior. 3-1 in the PL and suddenly he's a favorite? I'm not so sure.
I agree it's a game Savior should win, but what I'm saying is that discounting TT is a mistake. We can only judge this guy based on the reviews of his teammates and his 2v2 play, but both criteria make him look good. On the grounds that we really have no solid basis for judging either player in this matchup, I stand by my assertion that it's a tossup.
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My predicitions
EffOrt > by.great
I don't think this one needs much discussion. EffOrt has been amazing by.great lately and his micro has really show through in ZvZ
Much < JangBi
I agree with some of the people above that Jangbi is playing amazing now and just came off his 3-0 win against yellow[arnc]. This game is a toss-up but I do think Jangbi will win this game pretty easily
sAviOr > TT
I don't think this game will even be close. As long as Savior plays half decent and doesn't lose to proxies and proxies gateways + cannons and anything like that, then he is just going to roll over TT pretty easily. TT is really only known for cheesing. Almost any long game that I've seen of him hes just loses in the end
Iris < firebathero
I know Iris is 3-0 FBH but FBH is 10-3 TvT in his last 13 [including GOM] and his TvT is well known to be pretty high level
Ace Match
Much vs Stork / JangBi / firebathero
I do think Much will get sent out or possible savior if it goes to ace match. If Khan sends out Stork then Much will get raped and possible the same if they send out Jangbi. I would love a FBH versus Much match and I think FBH will rape him. Hes probably been practicing TvP so much since he plays Bisu in the MSL in 4-5 days.
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Haven't seen sAviOr's ZvP for a while this should be interesting, even more so considering he is up against free in gom who has been good PvZ lately (including beating sAviOr and Jaedong 2-1 recently.
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On November 03 2008 13:35 Choros wrote:Haven't seen sAviOr's ZvP for a while this should be interesting, even more so considering he is up against free in gom who has been good PvZ lately (including beating sAviOr and Jaedong 2-1 recently.
Jaedong-Free potential rematch?! O.o
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sAviOr did 2-0 Jangbi recently at blizzcon, for all it's worth.
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EffOrt > by.great
Much] < JangBi
sAviOr > TT
Iris < firebathero
Ace: No idea, Khan will probably take it.
Reasoning, match one; By.great showed great [ha] play against Savior, however effort was far more impressive when he dismantled Hwasin. Considering Savior beat by.great 2-0, effort being on the same team as him, and efforts momentum- I think he will take it slightly.
Reasoning, match two; Jangbi is on fire. He is one of the best players in the world. Enough said.
Reasoning, match three; TT squandered his advantage against free. He looked alright up until that point. Perhaps it was nerves, perhaps he doesn't have killer game sense, perhaps its just hard to transition back to 1v1. Whatever it is, he has done nothing that shows me he will do anything but be embarrassed when Savior runs over him.
Reasoning, match four; Iris use to be great tvt. Use to be. His results since DAUM have been less than inspiring. That is not to say he hasn't shown strong play, or that his tvt isnt returning to form, but its to say that I don't think Iris can be accurately described as a tvt monster like he once was. Personal stats or not, FBH is just plain better at the moment. Sorry Iris
Reasoning, ace; Khan can send out Jangbi to take down Iris, Effort, Savior, Much, or just about any player on CJ. Stork can be sent out to snipe just about anyone as well, with perhaps some qualms over his ability to defeat a Zerg. Firebathero can beat Effort/savior/Iris. Much is his only viable threat. I mean, in general, Khan ace can sweep any CJ ace they bring out. CJ if they are in this position will have to choose their ace very wisely. Hopefully they beat Khan- because Khan is pretty lame.
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United States10774 Posts
I am excited to see TT play 1v1. I don't think I have ever seen it..or at least don't remember.
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You don't remember his ridiculous OSL run a few years back? Ridiculously bad play. If he still plays anything like he did back then, he's going to get stomped.
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CA10824 Posts
On November 03 2008 12:44 jwd241224 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 08:39 mog87 wrote:
TT vs Savior a toss up? lol..come on man seriously. Im not even a savior fan but really thats a game savior should win. We're not talking about Bonjwa Savior here...we're talking about 2008 Savior. 3-1 in the PL and suddenly he's a favorite? I'm not so sure. I agree it's a game Savior should win, but what I'm saying is that discounting TT is a mistake. We can only judge this guy based on the reviews of his teammates and his 2v2 play, but both criteria make him look good. On the grounds that we really have no solid basis for judging either player in this matchup, I stand by my assertion that it's a tossup.
but we have seen TT play 1v1 before, and he isn't very good (back during gomtv msl)
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On November 03 2008 15:15 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 12:44 jwd241224 wrote:On November 03 2008 08:39 mog87 wrote:
TT vs Savior a toss up? lol..come on man seriously. Im not even a savior fan but really thats a game savior should win. We're not talking about Bonjwa Savior here...we're talking about 2008 Savior. 3-1 in the PL and suddenly he's a favorite? I'm not so sure. I agree it's a game Savior should win, but what I'm saying is that discounting TT is a mistake. We can only judge this guy based on the reviews of his teammates and his 2v2 play, but both criteria make him look good. On the grounds that we really have no solid basis for judging either player in this matchup, I stand by my assertion that it's a tossup. but we have seen TT play 1v1 before, and he isn't very good (back during gomtv msl)
GOMTV MSL season 2? That was about a year and a half ago! So much has changed since then, both specific to TT (transitioning to a successful 2v2 player and then back again, becoming captain of KHAN) and general to the SC scene that it's really hard to use those games as evidence. Even "game sense" and basic 1v1 skills can totally change over more than a year - look at FBH's TvP, he hung around 35% winrate for over 100 professional games spanning two years, and appears to have totally turned around his play in that MU in a matter of months (more like weeks).
Anything can happen, especially in the KHAN house. I hate Samsung as much as the next guy, but if they are talking up TT then I'll hop on the bandwagon.
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Ace match should be interesting...Anyone that gets sent out from either has someone that can take them out.
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(Z)EffOrt < Medusa > (Z)by.great
(P)Much < Chupung-Ryeong > (P)JangBi
(Z)sAviOr < Neo Requiem > (P)TT
(T)Iris < Harmony > (T)firebathero
sAviOr < Andromeda > firebathero
CJ 3-2 khan gogogo
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I wish Savior will play againts FBH in ACE. And would see FBH's face after losing a game.
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will there be live streaming? its like 4 am right now and I want to watch Savior game live.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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disappointing game by effort
he even saw that he kept making lings
and didnt match him? :S
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By.great's doing pretty well. Could he actually be capable of rounding out Khan's lineup as a solid zerg? With the new PL rules of having at least one player of each race, this could be very important for Khan's sucess this season.
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Where is all the CJ bandwagon gone???
Is"Hades/by.great won." all the fans have to say about a CJ PL game? Many guys on TL do not deserve that CJ icon.
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On November 03 2008 19:01 Uraeus wrote:
Where is all the CJ bandwagon gone???
Is"Hades/by.great won." all the fans have to say about a CJ PL game? Many guys on TL do not deserve that CJ icon.
an eSTRO fan said that.
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ESTRO FTW
o wait wrong thread
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On November 03 2008 19:02 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:01 Uraeus wrote:
Where is all the CJ bandwagon gone???
Is"Hades/by.great won." all the fans have to say about a CJ PL game? Many guys on TL do not deserve that CJ icon. an eSTRO fan said that.
Even worse.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On November 03 2008 19:05 clazziquai wrote:
ESTRO FTW
o wait wrong thread
:D
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I would LR but my stream won't work, i hear streaming and successful reaver shots, i think jangbi got them off.
LOL SHUTTLE INTERCEPTED BY MUCH'S FORCES, THEN MUCH'S SHUTTLE IS INTERCEPTED BY JANGBIS
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this is over -_-
much stupid mistakes ftw=/
First he lost a lot of probes
And now he lost that shuttle/reaver
STUPID MISTAKE!
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Much playing like an old man. : /
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Go CJ!!
Go MUCH! *pylon hearts*
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jangbi kills another reaver that came out from muchs robo facility.
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this is gg by much
Jangbi got so good at pvp what the fuck?!
I remember it was statistically horrible in the Kal GOM semifinals
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Looks like gg, nexus going down after jangbi cleans muchs' forces.
Jangbi in much's main, Much GG'S
Samsung 2-0 CJ
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gg jangbi wins 2-0 for khan!
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Never could understand when a manner pylon's good or not. THought some of them looked worthless, but then again, these guys know better than I.
Damn, never saw so many shuttles go down in such a short period of time. Damn, need to stop flying cross the middle.
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Jangbi has improved alot pvp, but much playing terrible is also a factor.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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damn much u got a lot more skill than that.....
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haha, I don't hear the raucous crowd of savior fanboys, might as well get some samsung cheers in while I can ^^
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On November 03 2008 19:17 Camlito wrote:
Jangbi has improved alot pvp, but much playing terrible is also a factor.
It seems that both Jangbi and FBH did some miracle practicing the past offseason. Both have really taken their vP skills up a lot.
Torn about this next match. On one hand I want Khan to win. But I also want to see a series-ending ceremony from FBH.
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oh crap neo requiem.. i have bad memories of saviors elimination races on here t.t.
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MrHoon
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Live reports, please. Streams are fail.
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my streams sketchy, but its a normal neo req game with 2 gate pressure zeal /w ramp block vs lings /w drone drill. savior i think also got a hidden expo which was scouted.
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TT looks ahead as savior is low on drones and lost alot of lings.
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Savior has put himself in a really hard position.
too reluctant to make a sunken even after seeing the 2gate
then his hidden expo is scouted and doesnt have a single miner making it absolutely useless
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this match is old school as fuck
TT goes 2 gate... savior went 2 hatch IN MAIN then gets expo that's in the middle of no where but some how gets to be scouted by TT o_O
savior drills his way through a ramp hold of 5 or 6 zeals
and now it's going on to mid game with sairs and hydras.
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yeah theres a reaver out and savior has to fend two bases that are so far away from each other
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ok... this is like gg, 3-0 
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TT has completely sucked his way into the worse position now.
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MrHoon
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goddamnit savior I wanted to see you in ace with FBH
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if savior can deflect this pressure he wont be in a bad position, his 2nd is mining pretty solidly and he killed a lot of probes in a counter.
but atm it looks like he will lose his main
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ok now he's in exodus from his main, now he's probably lost for sure
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wow savior fights back and kills a shitload of probes but then TT lands a reaver in savior's expo and kills 7 drones at once while they are running
AND OH SHIT I THINK SAVIOR JUST TOOK OUT THE NEXUS
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ohcrap this game is crazy, a sneaky counter from savior kills TT's only nex!
if savior can hold on, he will have this
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hidden pylon from TT as the game turns into an elimination battle
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i knew another elimination race...
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OH SHIT this is like... stale mate what a crazy game holy shit!!! SAVIOR IS FIGHTING FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
oh fuck, stream of zeals into the expo.... TT hides a pylon with his main destroyed
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SAVIOR SPOTS THE HIDDEN PYLON
CAN SAVIOR KILL IT IN TIME
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OMFG DSASAVIOIRWAOAsiasiviae
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HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!! SAVIOR SCOUTS THE PYLON!!!!!!!!!!!!! omg... this is crazy you must watch
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HOLY SHIT HE DID
HOLY CRAP!
BEST GAME EVER
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FUCKING SAVIOR YOU LEGEND OMFG THAT WAS AWESOEMF UCKFUCK
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OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY DON'T CALL HIM SAVIOR FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YEEEAAAAA
wow.
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TT HOW THE FUCK DID YOU BLOW THAT
OMFG SAVIOR OMG FUCKFUCK
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WOW SUCH A CRAZY COMEBACK
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OOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
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Man..those girls must really love Savior...woooo
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AAAHAHAAH best finish ever!!!!
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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DID ANYONE JUST FUCKING WITNESS THAT?!!?!
MA JAE YOON!!!!!!!!!!!
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fuck that was the best rush i've ever had watching an sc game lol.
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fan girls went crazy.
Even TT is smiling, that was such a fun game.
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WHAT A GAME OH MY FUCKING GOD, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN A LONG TIME!~!~!~!~!
edit: sorry caps
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MrHoon
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WTF I MISSED THIS? I HATE YOU ALL
Korean chatbar
"lol savior needs to retire"
"fuck savior man"
"shithead"
"LOL WTF"
"AHAHAHAHA WUT"
"LOL SAVIOR WON"
goddamnit
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i like that TT is laughing about it
get back to scrubbing
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what the fuck was that, only ma jae yoon with his overlord hack could do that.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
There's a reason why Requiem is the best map ever.
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definitely most stupid lose in histroy. even more than Boxer vs Joyo
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win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem !
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LOL i just closed up my lagging stream after seeing like 6 zeas + shuttle +river going to the undefended hidden expo came back and lol savior raising his hand... wtf moment
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United States13896 Posts
WHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
i can't believe that game
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That was literally the most exciting game I've seen. None stop action til the very end. Holy crap!
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lol TT had 124 minerals left with probes in other places he could've made another pylon and won
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Ooooh 2009!!!!!!
Don't forget!!!
Hahahah maybe he laughs because he too is amazed by the play.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Not Savior but TT needs to retire :D
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oh shit this replay makes it clear how more amazing this match turned out to be.
zealots couldn't fit through that crack but lings could, so zeals had to be shuttled in giving savior more time to hit that pylon
mean while savior himself only has 2 buildings left, pool and den.
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wtf? I go away for 5 mins when savior is DEAD and come back to see he's won? TT must've done something absolutely terrible to lose that game.
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lol TT... such a pity they cancelled 2v2 games, 1v1s just isnt your specialty.
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THAT WAS FUCKIGN AWESOME SAVIOR
LOL!!!!! OVERLORD MAP HACKS
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so awesome, savior definitly delivers. May not have been a convincing win but it was definitly an entertaining one .
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god dman it i thought this was in an hour
cant believe i missed it
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CA10824 Posts
well, so much for TT's first official 1v1 match in 898 days.
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On November 03 2008 19:47 lmaonnaise wrote:
lol TT had 124 minerals left with probes in other places he could've made another pylon and won
January should fire him on the spot for that
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lol TT
now go FBH, pwn him!
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On November 03 2008 19:47 lmaonnaise wrote:
lol TT had 124 minerals left with probes in other places he could've made another pylon and won
WTF? Are you serious? He was running around with his probes, so I thought there was no chance he could have enough to build something else.
Anyway, time for FBH to show Iris that he needs to retire.
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TT vs Savior best game of this season. It was more than insane, i was telling to one of my friends that The Maestro just got beaten by a pushover toss, and you should have seen what happened
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basically TT played well up until the point that he sucked
which is a better summary then it sounds
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now gogo iris! bring it to ace!
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On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem !
what about nal_ra vs savior on sin baekdu daegan?
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Results? 3:0? 2:1? help me out here.
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well it's still on so 2-1 to someone
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2:1 for samsung, FBH vs Iris next
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On November 03 2008 19:55 ryung70 wrote:
2:1 for CJ
no
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On November 03 2008 19:53 ryung70 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! what about nal_ra vs savior on sin baekdu daegan?
I thought that was the game he was talking about, but that would mean his requiem comment was wrong. Is there 3 times then?
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On November 03 2008 19:53 ryung70 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! what about nal_ra vs savior on sin baekdu daegan?
Yeah, the holy war one... I was going to mention that. I thought it was arguably the most famous down to last building elim match (though now I cant remember if joyo v boxer got that far.... I'm going to have to rewatch some of these games)
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On November 03 2008 19:49 LosingID8 wrote:
well, so much for TT's first official 1v1 match in 898 days.
errr he's had alot of 1v1 matches over the years.
i are confused
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did i just wrong read iris in game name?
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On November 03 2008 19:55 )HyPe( wrote:no
oh i see now, i thought much was the 7o'clock protoss
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
goddamn CJ white jackets look fucking sexy as hell
Although the Suma Go uniforms were the best uniforms ever.
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TT just recently played free in GOM season 2 for example
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I've been waiting for savior to win a game in a way that let me know, only savior could have won. each game, each win I've been looking.
This is a game that only savior wouuld have won.
The Return has begun.
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On November 03 2008 20:00 AttackZerg wrote:
I've been waiting for savior to win a game in a way that let me know, only savior could have won. each game, each win I've been looking.
This is a game that only savior wouuld have won.
The Return has begun.
I BELIEVE!! MA JAE YOON FOR GOM CLASSIC 2!!
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Come on CJ!! Come from behind victory!
GO GO GO FIGHTING!
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On November 03 2008 20:00 AttackZerg wrote:
I've been waiting for savior to win a game in a way that let me know, only savior could have won. each game, each win I've been looking.
This is a game that only savior wouuld have won.
The Return has begun.
its just TT, you maestro fans shouldnt get so excited.
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On November 03 2008 19:59 MrHoon wrote:
goddamn CJ white jackets look fucking sexy as hell
Although the Suma Go uniforms were the best uniforms ever.
You mean these black jackets with white "GO" shirts under? Then I agree.
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On November 03 2008 19:58 geno wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:53 ryung70 wrote:On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! what about nal_ra vs savior on sin baekdu daegan? Yeah, the holy war one... I was going to mention that. I thought it was arguably the most famous down to last building elim match (though now I cant remember if joyo v boxer got that far.... I'm going to have to rewatch some of these games)
Lucifer vs Chalrenge @ blue storm also got to elimination.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Harmony needs to be removed from the map pool -.-
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MrHoon
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On November 03 2008 20:03 ZBiR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:59 MrHoon wrote:
goddamn CJ white jackets look fucking sexy as hell
Although the Suma Go uniforms were the best uniforms ever. You mean these black jackets with white "GO" shirts under? Then I agree.
yep, those
CJ always had the coolest stuff
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The CJ symbol reminds me of a guitar pick or a car marquee.
Wow..FBH knows how to work his hips.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On November 03 2008 20:06 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Well... final match.. this must be sAviOr vs FBH
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khan won 3-1
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On November 03 2008 20:06 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Well... final match.. this must be sAviOr vs FBH
3:1 samsung
it's over
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On November 03 2008 20:04 Carnac wrote:
Harmony needs to be removed from the map pool -.-
Hm, I guess I haven't seen enough matches on Harmony yet. What's wrong with it?
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On November 03 2008 19:53 ryung70 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! what about nal_ra vs savior on sin baekdu daegan?
yea but as far as i remeber he gged a second before his last building was whiped out.
so i guess this doenst count cause this is a "surrender"
what i meant was that noone surrendered and it the kill of the last building made the decission who won and who lost.
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all's well that ends well :D
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Results
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EffOrt < by.great
Much < JangBi
sAviOr > TT must see game!!!!
Iris < firebathero
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On November 03 2008 20:09 JellopY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:53 ryung70 wrote:On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! what about nal_ra vs savior on sin baekdu daegan? yea but as far as i remeber he gged a second before his last building was whiped out. so i guess this doenst count cause this is a "surrender" what i meant was that noone surrendered and it the kill of the last building made the decission who won and who lost.
that game on baekdu was elimation and nal_ra won
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On November 03 2008 20:08 lolaloc wrote:
samsung suck
you mean CJ sucks. After all, they lost today.
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On November 03 2008 20:14 dinmsab wrote:you mean CJ sucks. After all, they lost today.
Nah hes right, khan suck cept for jangbi
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On November 03 2008 20:08 DownMaxX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 20:04 Carnac wrote:
Harmony needs to be removed from the map pool -.- Hm, I guess I haven't seen enough matches on Harmony yet. What's wrong with it?
17 TvTs, 11 combined other matchups. Any map that promotes mirror matchups IMO suck.
And any map that produces pure vulture battles REALLY suck.
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On November 03 2008 20:03 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 20:00 AttackZerg wrote:
I've been waiting for savior to win a game in a way that let me know, only savior could have won. each game, each win I've been looking.
This is a game that only savior wouuld have won.
The Return has begun. its just TT, you maestro fans shouldnt get so excited.
I was afk from the scene for the entire maestro reign. All my knowledge of him is from vods and such. His wins , the important ones normally came down to something very do or die to save a win or lose.
The toss doesn't matter, its countering 3 times while getting raped at two bases at once and continuing to counter still, that was the part that I loved.
<--- jaedong fan.
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at least savior won.. . Seriously i knew samsung might win this but i never immagined they could do it before the ace match. Effort, Iris and Much all dropping the ball just seemed way out there.
I'm really dissapointed, not so much because Samsung won but more because of the way they won. Samsung didnt play badly but imho Effort, Much and Iris just played way below their capacity.
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i think iris and effort underperfomed, much was behind jangbi before the game started, i really like the old man but pvp is not his best mu and jangbi is just a monster atm.
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On November 03 2008 20:20 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 20:03 dinmsab wrote:On November 03 2008 20:00 AttackZerg wrote:
I've been waiting for savior to win a game in a way that let me know, only savior could have won. each game, each win I've been looking.
This is a game that only savior wouuld have won.
The Return has begun. its just TT, you maestro fans shouldnt get so excited. I was afk from the scene for the entire maestro reign. All my knowledge of him is from vods and such. His wins , the important ones normally came down to something very do or die to save a win or lose. The toss doesn't matter, its countering 3 times while getting raped at two bases at once and continuing to counter still, that was the part that I loved. <--- jaedong fan.
Actually, Savior was the best because he clobbered everyone else.
And the toss here matters quite a bit. Given the situation, against any of the top 10 protoss in the game, Savior would've lost. Savior has not beaten ANYONE of note this season, by the way. So I'm not ready to say that he's "back" just yet. He lost to Nada. He lost to Yarnac, and he beat a bunch of nobodies. Basically he's 2nd/3rd tier zerg right now.
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On November 03 2008 07:17 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
I GIVE YOU MY POWER SAVIOR!
I SEE THE FUTURE AND YOU WILL WIN!
Im always right.
with stork vs fantasy too.
My predictions are never wrong
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Baubo, Unless you missed blizzcon, savior showed that he still had "it"
Even if you think blizzcon doesn't matter much, it still means something - i mean cleansweeping a tournament 8-0, 2-0ing the likes of forgg (who he lost to in gom) and jangbi (solid pvz) and 2-0ing nada (who he did lose to) is still a big deal. Also Yarnc recently beat Jaedong of all people zvz, and if you watch the game closely, savior pretty much had the advantage until the first muta battle where yarnc's micro shone through.
Still blizzcon doesn't mean much but still...
Also midas is a pretty notable person to beat?
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On November 03 2008 20:30 malongo wrote:
i think iris and effort underperfomed, much was behind jangbi before the game started, i really like the old man but pvp is not his best mu and jangbi is just a monster atm.
actually i dont think muchs pvp is bad and seeing as jangbi stepped up his pvp just recently i definitly would have expected a more even game.
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Only just saw this since I was following Lecaf MBC... awesome that Khan are continuing their now 5 game rampage, and even better that Savior managed to keep DESTROYING. Unfortunately he is but a single zerg..
What's happening with much though? He's lost a hell of a lot lately..
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imho on Blizzcon everybody played his 100% game. Cause 25000$ is not FF.
So i'd say: Hello guys,Savior will destroy everybody in 2009,thank you.
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On November 03 2008 20:44 Camlito wrote:
Baubo, Unless you missed blizzcon, savior showed that he still had "it"
Even if you think blizzcon doesn't matter much, it still means something - i mean cleansweeping a tournament 8-0, 2-0ing the likes of forgg (who he lost to in gom) and jangbi (solid pvz) and 2-0ing nada (who he did lose to) is still a big deal. Also Yarnc recently beat Jaedong of all people zvz, and if you watch the game closely, savior pretty much had the advantage until the first muta battle where yarnc's micro shone through.
Still blizzcon doesn't mean much but still...
Also midas is a pretty notable person to beat?
Yes, he did beat Midas, I give you that. It was on Raid Assault though, so not too much credit.
I think Savior belongs in a group of zergs right after the Jaedong, July, the twins, and MAYBE Calm(but not sure). Anyway, he's certainly respectable now, but he's stiill far from the dominating meastro he was.
As for Blizzcon, they just don't practice enough for it. So although Savior won and beat both Nada and Jangbi, I don't think he's better than either one. If Savior played a Bo5 in the MSL or the OSL against Jangbi or Nada right now, do you really think he'd be favored?
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On November 03 2008 21:29 baubo wrote:
As for Blizzcon, they just don't practice enough for it. So although Savior won and beat both Nada and Jangbi, I don't think he's better than either one. If Savior played a Bo5 in the MSL or the OSL against Jangbi or Nada right now, do you really think he'd be favored?
maybe not but neither would I favor Jangbi or Nada. That's just it right now, nobody knows how good and consistent Savior is this season. We'll have to see, but right now he sure as hell is doing well.
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2bubuo
25k $ is not good reason for preparation well ? It's now MSL and OSL where each player should play at least 20 games to win(20k$ ). It's just Blizzcon.Only 8 games and u have 25k $. Isn't it good ?
From ur list i'd delete July,cause he is losing a lot right now.
So babubu STFU pls
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On November 03 2008 22:17 fanofbest wrote:
2bubuo
25k $ is not good reason for preparation well ? It's now MSL and OSL where each player should play at least 20 games to win(20k$ ). It's just Blizzcon.Only 8 games and u have 25k $. Isn't it good ?
From ur list i'd delete July,cause he is losing a lot right now.
So babubu STFU pls
Well, if you consider the importance of Blizzcon to be comparable(or even more so from this post) to OSL/MSL, then I really can't argue with that.
*shrugs* Savior > Stork + Jaedong I guess, considering those two weren't even good enough to make Blizzcon.
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On November 03 2008 23:57 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 22:17 fanofbest wrote:
2bubuo
25k $ is not good reason for preparation well ? It's now MSL and OSL where each player should play at least 20 games to win(20k$ ). It's just Blizzcon.Only 8 games and u have 25k $. Isn't it good ?
From ur list i'd delete July,cause he is losing a lot right now.
So babubu STFU pls Well, if you consider the importance of Blizzcon to be comparable(or even more so from this post) to OSL/MSL, then I really can't argue with that. *shrugs* Savior > Stork + Jaedong I guess, considering those two weren't even good enough to make Blizzcon.
By that same horrendously flawed logic, YellOw and IdrA could rape the shit out of them too!
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On November 04 2008 00:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 23:57 baubo wrote:On November 03 2008 22:17 fanofbest wrote:
2bubuo
25k $ is not good reason for preparation well ? It's now MSL and OSL where each player should play at least 20 games to win(20k$ ). It's just Blizzcon.Only 8 games and u have 25k $. Isn't it good ?
From ur list i'd delete July,cause he is losing a lot right now.
So babubu STFU pls Well, if you consider the importance of Blizzcon to be comparable(or even more so from this post) to OSL/MSL, then I really can't argue with that. *shrugs* Savior > Stork + Jaedong I guess, considering those two weren't even good enough to make Blizzcon. By that same horrendously flawed logic, YellOw and IdrA could rape the shit out of them too!
he was not being serious however? -_-
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On November 04 2008 01:15 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 00:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On November 03 2008 23:57 baubo wrote:On November 03 2008 22:17 fanofbest wrote:
2bubuo
25k $ is not good reason for preparation well ? It's now MSL and OSL where each player should play at least 20 games to win(20k$ ). It's just Blizzcon.Only 8 games and u have 25k $. Isn't it good ?
From ur list i'd delete July,cause he is losing a lot right now.
So babubu STFU pls Well, if you consider the importance of Blizzcon to be comparable(or even more so from this post) to OSL/MSL, then I really can't argue with that. *shrugs* Savior > Stork + Jaedong I guess, considering those two weren't even good enough to make Blizzcon. By that same horrendously flawed logic, YellOw and IdrA could rape the shit out of them too! he was not being serious however? -_-
Go away, I'm being argumentative *pouts*
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Who uploads the vods on youtube?
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lost all mirror matches wtf
at least Savior won..
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On November 03 2008 21:29 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 20:44 Camlito wrote:
Baubo, Unless you missed blizzcon, savior showed that he still had "it"
Even if you think blizzcon doesn't matter much, it still means something - i mean cleansweeping a tournament 8-0, 2-0ing the likes of forgg (who he lost to in gom) and jangbi (solid pvz) and 2-0ing nada (who he did lose to) is still a big deal. Also Yarnc recently beat Jaedong of all people zvz, and if you watch the game closely, savior pretty much had the advantage until the first muta battle where yarnc's micro shone through.
Still blizzcon doesn't mean much but still...
Also midas is a pretty notable person to beat? Yes, he did beat Midas, I give you that. It was on Raid Assault though, so not too much credit. I think Savior belongs in a group of zergs right after the Jaedong, July, the twins, and MAYBE Calm(but not sure). Anyway, he's certainly respectable now, but he's stiill far from the dominating meastro he was. As for Blizzcon, they just don't practice enough for it. So although Savior won and beat both Nada and Jangbi, I don't think he's better than either one. If Savior played a Bo5 in the MSL or the OSL against Jangbi or Nada right now, do you really think he'd be favored?
calm better than savior right now?
what?
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No offense to savior, but the maps are helping him out this time.
He only plays on Raid Assault 2 and Neo Requiem.
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On November 04 2008 03:37 heyitsme wrote:
No offense to savior, but the maps are helping him out this time.
He only plays on Raid Assault 2 and Neo Requiem.
Requiem is a balanced map for PvZ.
Some could argue it even favors p by a little, because you could turtle hardcore, from your expo spots behind your nat, stork style.
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requiem is actually slightly balanced towards pvz right now
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Savior showed some imprevous new confidence i thought he was fucked at one point but e managed to pull it off with always a lower unit count and lower tech then the protoss. MJY is back
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wtf savior won his game?!!! I turned off my computer at one point thinking samsung won 3-0. I guess I should stop doing that till i see the gg! So happy that savior won!
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savior was just lucky that tt messed up things simultaneously, he wasted his mainbase, then could've easily gaurded the pylon and won the game but instead he messed up... glad that he won tho ^_^ but pure luck this one ^^ nice that he didnt give up tho i guess >.< but i dont think he did that previously either...
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Savior didn't play great but the old no-confidence Savior would never have won that game ... that's what's important to take away here. The Overlord maphack at the end was vintage. Next time he needs to make some better decisions against a two-gate though!
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Wow, that was the best comeback game since Boxer vs BlueK.
I'm really happy for Savior. This is the kind of game that gives your confidence back. Horribly played by TT but great endurance by Savior.
FBH just gave CJ another reason to hate him with his yawns, lol.
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On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem !
uh chalrenge has words for you lol
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I see the future!
savior will do great
Wow i cant believe savior won. good job!
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I'm still in disbelief over Savior's match~
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saviors the only person winning this wowza!
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So lucky by Savior spotting that pylon. That pylon could have been defended too
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The starcraft god said give this man his map hack super-ability back, and let that be the sign for the next era of MASTRO domination!
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On November 04 2008 06:09 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! uh chalrenge has words for you lol
what game was that?
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tt would have won had his reaver scarab been slightly smarter and killed all the lings
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wow wish more games were like savior vs TT nowadays
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On November 04 2008 06:09 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! uh chalrenge has words for you lol
Nah, Chalrenge gg'd before he got eliminated
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There was nothing spectacular about Savior winning his game. It's pretty pathetic that people have to get all excited over games like this where the opponent is a no-name in order to say that Savior is supposedly 'back'. All that's happened is he's been pit against class B players.
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On November 04 2008 17:27 Wolverine wrote:
There was nothing spectacular about Savior winning his game. It's pretty pathetic that people have to get all excited over games like this where the opponent is a no-name in order to say that Savior is supposedly 'back'. All that's happened is he's been pit against class B players.
It was fucking spectacular:because it wasn't anything else. Not a great play by either, not dominating from sAviOr, but even if you give the victory to sAviOr out of the PURE retardedness of TT, the manner it which the victory was established (established, not GAINED) was at least spectacular.
The best games of BW ever played rarely showcase flawless play. They instead encase a very dynamic flow and a great, unstable tide of emotion, with speckles of genius here and there and also some subtle, flawed decisions that make the game become unusual. Think about Boxer's epic wins: that play he displayed 6 years ago wouldn't last against today's B+ ranks on Iccup, however it's valor is undeniable.
And many absurdely dominating games, with flawless plan/execution/micro from the likes of oov, savior, nada (when they were in their prime) aren't all that great to watch, since the respective opponents at the time never knew what hit them
my 2 cents
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 04 2008 06:09 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 19:46 JellopY wrote:
win throuh elimination.
the second time in history of televised pro match.
both games included the player Savior^^
the first he lost this time he won !
e.: and it was also requiem ! uh chalrenge has words for you lol
And Zergman (I think that's who it was) has words for all of you -_-
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