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<FONT COLOR="WHITE" SIZE="+2"> 2008 Shinhan Bank Proleague Week 4
<B>MBC Hero <u>vs</u> WeMade Fox</FONT></B> <FONT COLOR="WHITE">
<TABLE BORDER="3"> <TR> <TD HEIGHT="120" WIDTH="370" bgcolor="beige"> <B> <CENTER> <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="HyuN - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/120_HyuN">HyuN</a> < <a target="_blank" title="Othello - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/178_Othello">Othello</a> > <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(T)" title="Terran" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="Mind - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/146_Mind">Mind</a><br> <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(T)" title="Terran" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="RuBy - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/112_RuBy">RuBy</a> < <a target="_blank" title="Andromeda - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/175_Andromeda">Andromeda</a> > <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="FireFist - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/153_FireFist">FireFist</a><br> <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="Saint - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/116_Saint">Saint</a>/<img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(T)" title="Terran" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="Light - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/109_Light">Light</a> < <a target="_blank" title="Hannibal - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/176_Hannibal">Hannibal</a> > <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(Z)" title="Zerg" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="Nal_keke - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/152_Nal_keke">Nal_keke</a>/<img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(P)" title="Protoss" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="HoOny - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/158_HoOny">HoOny</a><br> <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(P)" title="Protoss" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="Jaehoon - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/124_Jaehoon">Jaehoon</a> < <a target="_blank" title="Katrina SE - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/171_Katrina_SE">Katrina SE</a> > <img style="width: 17px; height: 15px; vertical-align: top; margin-right: 2px;" alt="(T)" title="Terran" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif"><a target="_blank" title="NaDa - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/147_NaDa">NaDa</a><br>ACE < <a target="_blank" title="Wuthering Heights - TLPD Information" href="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/174_Wuthering_Heights">Wuthering Heights</a> > ACE </div> <a name="day_6"></a> </TD> </TR> </TABLE>
<TABLE> <TR> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE"> <B>16-9</B>
(64.00%) </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/120.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> <TD> <img WIDTH="70" HEIGHT="70" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/178_Othello_thumbnail.jpg"> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/146.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE"> ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/gold.png) <b>MSL</b>
<B>37-28</B>
(56.92%) </CENTER> </TD> </TR> </TABLE>
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(48.00%) </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/112.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> <TD> <img WIDTH="70" HEIGHT="70" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/175_Andromeda_thumbnail.jpg"> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/images/liquibet/players/noimage.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE"> <b>16-15</b>
(51.61%) </CENTER> </TD> </TR> </TABLE>
<TABLE> <TR> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="200" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/images/liquibet/players/noimage.jpg"> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/109.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> <TD> <img WIDTH="70" HEIGHT="70" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/176_Hannibal_thumbnail.jpg"> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="200" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/152.jpg"> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/158.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> </TR> </TABLE>
<TABLE> <TR> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE"> <b>1-4</b>
(20.00%) </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/124.jpg"> </CENTER> </TD> <TD> <img WIDTH="70" HEIGHT="70" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/171_Katrina%20SE_thumbnail.jpg"> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100" BGCOLOR="WHITE"> <CENTER> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNl6DoUXCk4"> <img src="http://www.florence-nj.com/tornado.gif"></a> </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE"> <b>MSL</b> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/gold.png"> x3
<b>OSL</b> <img src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/common/gold.png"> x3<br><b>344-224</b>
(60.59%) </CENTER> </TD> </TR> </TABLE>
<TABLE> <TR> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE" SIZE="+2"> <B>ACE</B> </CENTER> </TD> <TD> <img WIDTH="70" HEIGHT="70" src="http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/174_Wuthering%20Heights_thumbnail.jpg"> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"> <CENTER> <FONT COLOR="WHITE" SIZE="+2"> <B>ACE</B> </CENTER> </TD> <TD HEIGHT="100" WIDTH="100"></TD> </TR> </TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER="1"> <TR> <TD> <CENTER> <FONT SIZE="+1"> <i> + Show Spoiler [Results] + </i></FONT> <FONT COLOR="BLACK"> HyuN < <B>Mind</b> <b>RuBy</b> > FireFist <b>MBC</b> > Fox Jaehoon < <b>NaDa</b> Sea < <b>Mind</b> MBC Hero <b>2-3</b> WeMade Fox <TABLE> <CENTER> <TR> <TD> <img src="http://www.florence-nj.com/tornado.gif"> </TD> <TD> <FONT SIZE="+2" COLOR="RED">+</FONT> </TD> <TD> <img HEIGHT="90" WIDTH="80" src="http://www.centerforschoolsuccess.org/images/animated_cog_brain1.gif"> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> <CENTER> <FONT SIZE="+2" COLOR="RED">= VICTORY</FONT> </CENTER>
<!--<FONT COLOR="black">This is a subliminal message, going straight to your brain: YOU.. ARE.. A.. [Red]NaDa FAN! NaDa RULES YOUR WORLD.. BOW.. TO.. THE.. POWER.. OF.. THE.. TORNADO!</font>--> </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Mind must win with Hyun but his TvZ is not that good. And Hyun ZvT looks scarry.
3:2 for Fox or 3:0 for MBC  First game will decide.
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Just seeing Jaehoon record and achievements and Nadas says it all
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
you underestimate jaehoon!
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Yeah don't underestimate any progamer, they are on the lineup for a reason.
Jaehoon must be doing quite well within the team ranks... And besides, we've all seen enough cheese from no names beating the best, can never tell in Bo1. But of course, NaDa will own :-)
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
there has to be a good reason why MBC sends (without fail)
1) Hyun
2) Ruby
3) light/saint
4) Jaehoon
Occasionally changing Hyun/Ruby for Shark
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In every match today, a really strong terran :-) I'm going to enjoy this so much.
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On May 05 2008 17:22 VioleTAK wrote:
In every match today, a really strong terran :-) I'm going to enjoy this so much.
nice nice nice
NADA I BELIEVE!
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nice NaDa picture, TORNADO Terran for the win.
MBC will have their first loss today!
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On May 05 2008 16:37 VioleTAK wrote:
This is a subliminal message, going straight to your brain: YOU.. ARE.. A.. [Red]NaDa FAN! NaDa RULES YOUR WORLD.. BOW.. TO.. THE.. POWER.. OF.. THE.. TORNADO!
But.. but I was already a NaDa fan.
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Do I watch Hyun, the junior monster, facing off vs ironman Mind??
or do I watch the best KTF has to offer go against Hanbit's pillar Free? Oooo choices choices..
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Anyone else getting error loading stream on YY?
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Nope. And the hanbit v ktf thread seems missing.
But I'll pass out soon enough so =_=
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Awesome games tonight , in both matches. Nada...please take this. Just copy flash's build please. It fantastic on this map.
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On May 05 2008 17:01 Solmyr wrote:Mind must win with Hyun but his TvZ is not that good. And Hyun ZvT looks scarry. 3:2 for Fox or 3:0 for MBC First game will decide.
Mind's TvZ is at LEAST as good as hyun's ZvT
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Always nice when there's 0 mirror matches :-)
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I'm believer. NaDa ftw. Btw.. he should be in power ranks next month, being the only progamer that qualified for top 16 both starleagues. :p
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live reports :S? I'm @ school^^
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Go WeMade. Mind and Nada should roll over MBC.
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I'll live report, but only after the flash + free game. Which is quite nice so far by the way.
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MBC ftw. Mind will have some sort of ace build prepared, however.
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On May 05 2008 18:42 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
I'll live report, but only after the flash + free game. Which is quite nice so far by the way.
live report flash / free in hanbit vs ktf thread please
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On May 05 2008 18:34 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I'm believer. NaDa ftw. Btw.. he should be in power ranks next month, being the only progamer that qualified for top 16 both starleagues. :p
So far...
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On May 05 2008 18:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 18:34 G.s)NarutO wrote:
I'm believer. NaDa ftw. Btw.. he should be in power ranks next month, being the only progamer that qualified for top 16 both starleagues. :p So far...
yay.. you're right like always darling xD
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I'll give a summary so far.
Flash opened with a wall in+ 1 fact tank witha quick cc before siege. Free opened 1 zeal 1 goon wall harass + goon pump into nexus off 1 nexus (on the exact details I'm guessing a bit) . Flash deflected this perfectly with 3 scvs repairing beautifully. 1 scv repairing wall constantly while the other 2 would switch and repair the scv being targeted by the goon. The game progressed naturally from there. Flash taking his nat and pushing out a bit and taking a 3rd a little ater. Free waled in the far left main for a quick 3 rd and teched reavers. Flash deflected the harass with turrets, only having to run his scvs once. Free microed his goons very well against flash's vult harass and teched archives for upgrades (no temps) and now theres a huge near limit +1 T army moving out against a near limit P army who is just now getting arbs off 2 stargates. I feel bad for free considering how fucking godly flash is at multitasking. Flash pressuring the nat near the 3rd base (main) of Free.
Free went for a counter but flash has anotherarmy at his main ready. Temps are out at this point by the way but Flash has an incredibly huge army and just easily rolls over the nat. Free realizes he HAS to press the counter but fucking flash is a MONSTER and is ready for it. Free barely breaks through with fantastic control and storm drops but now flash's army is returning after raping the 3rd base main of free. Flash in clear control. Arbs are out though but its 3 base to 2 ( with one starting). Flash has a larger army too Flash picking off temps ike EZ. Its going to take some amazing arbiter usage for free to win this.
Flash's giant 1:1 army goes heads up against a near maxed P army. WOW flash was too bunched up and got a shit load of stuff statised...not sure how much it will matter exactly as he managed to neutralize the main 3rd gain. BEAUTIFUL reenforcment timing as his units unfreeze. Free sighs...I would too free, I would too. So now its 4 base terran against 2.1 base P Oh and flash is that Terran. Ya free you're pretty much fucked.
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Flash vs. Free in a MBC vs. WeMade game, eh?
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I'm all about convienence.
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Thank you very much TheFoReveRwaR! 
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mind went for timing push, manage to reach with a group of m&m with just 1 sunken morph. Manage to break the barrier and kill tons of drones in the natural. Muta morph, back manage to kill. But another push wins MIND the game, tough luck with the sunken timing
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Mind wins -> sunken break
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Mind not breaking a sweat over Hyun.
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Ruby-Firefist, should be nice!
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GOGO FOX, really nice op by the ways
should get it happening for all the pl matches
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I don't have a stream, YY giving me errors -_- anyone up for LR?
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YOU CAN BUY MBC GAME HERO MERCHANDISE NOW!
apparently on the first floor of the LOOX center they have a store
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ruby vs firefist is a surprisingly good game
definitely worth watching
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both are showing some good skillness
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No surprise for me, both players have what it takes to give a great show :-)
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sick game, but ruby has some crazy multitasking and pulls out a victory, 1-1
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very good play by terran ruby. Excellent timing sense.
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i wish i could give a summary of that game but it was really back and forth
i would rate that game 4.8/5, one of the best tvz i've seen in a LONG time.
too bad firefist couldn't get his unit compositions correct, he always had like 2 or 3 extra defilers and lots of lings but no lurks and he never switched to ultras
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this means we will see nada play, nicenice
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
ruby always puts on a great show
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On May 05 2008 19:45 G.s)NarutO wrote:
this means we will see nada play, nicenice
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MBC won the 2v2.
Enjoyable game really
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Good. That way NaDa gets to play two games in a row.
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wow nice 2v2 game as well
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Naver isn't working for Wemade vs MBC... Anyone get it to work? And daum is too laggy...
I must needs see the Nada.
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oh and sorry for the lack of live reports, i'm studying ochem and just looking up whenever i hear the commentators screaming lol
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On May 05 2008 20:15 VioleTAK wrote:
Good. That way NaDa gets to play two games in a row.
Hope so... they could send Mind though.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
lets go jaehoon!!
spirit awaken~~
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On May 05 2008 20:15 Nintu wrote:
Naver isn't working for Wemade vs MBC... Anyone get it to work? And daum is too laggy...
I must needs see the Nada.
use yaoyuan
www.yaoyuan.com/live.php only works in IE, must dl TVants
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YY isn't working for me... I tried switching channels but it wasn't working.
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Live report : I am eating noodle and my stream is .. not working. End
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Ok here we go. The greatest player to ever play the game of brood war against a protoss newbie. HOWEVER the protoss is in the same clan as jaedong (n.die) AND he has the letters jae in his id, so he's got that going for him.
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Jaehoon at 12, Nada at 3. Kinda bad spots for nada because of the easy access to his nat but nothing major.
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rofl jaehoon has been on the roster 4 times now but he's always been in the 4th slot, so because mbc has been winning either 3-0 or lost once 0-3 he's never been able to play LOLOL
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On May 05 2008 20:27 LosingID8 wrote:
rofl jaehoon has been on the roster 4 times now but he's always been in the 4th slot, so because mbc has been winning either 3-0 or lost once 0-3 he's never been able to play LOLOL
hahahaha this is crazy :x
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However the 12/3 position is also good for nada in the mid game because of the close push distance. Amazingly enough jaehoon makes a pylon first. Nada makes a depot right below his cc to make his scvs spawn a little closer to his mins. P opens with nexus first.
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Makes me wonder what on earth he has planned, that the coach won't give up on him?
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Nada looks to be opening with standard 12/12 rax/gas. But my stream is kinda laggy. Fact down near the ramp and 2 rines out. Nada has scouted P's build. He denys the scouting probe with 2 rines and is going ALL IN WITH RINES + SCV DRILL! NADAAAAAAAAA
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On May 05 2008 20:28 VioleTAK wrote:
Makes me wonder what on earth he has planned, that the coach won't give up on him? remember the MSL premap matches? showcasing longinus (still twilight) and "Bleech" (blitz) - Jaehoon was that protoss with amazing macro
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nada -> timing push 12+ scv and 2-3 rines ---- GG
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GREAT SCV CONTROL BY NADA! HE BLOCKS THE ZEALOT AND PULLED PROBES PERFECTLY! LMAO! A VULT AND 4th MARINE JOIN THE FIGHT AND RAPE THE SHIT OUT OF THE NEWBIE PROTOSS. G FING G. Toooooo easy.
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Turns out the 12/3 positions were a ctually extremely good for nada It allowed him to counter the fe very very easily.
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LLLLOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!! <3 <3 <3 <3
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well watever the protoss had planned, we wont be able to see it lol sucks for him, waited so long and finally he gets to play and when the moment comes he gets scv rushed
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ROFL GO NADA
i feel so bad for jaehoon though, he practiced a month for this game only to lose in 3 minutes to an scv rush lolol
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Terrans never lose do they?
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On May 05 2008 20:33 bahhh wrote:
well watever the protoss had planned, we wont be able to see it lol sucks for him, waited so long and finally he gets to play and when the moment comes he gets scv rushed
OMG thats so tragic! and hilarious at the same time :-)
Don't build your hopes up when you're facing someone that has a shirt so full of badges, it weights more than you.
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As the french say: Le own.
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For those of you who play Katrina on iccup let me recommend this build for you as P. 9 gate, 11 gas,12 core , cut 1 probe --> goon/range same time as soon as core is done. Pump goons from 1 gate non stop. Expand to the back after your 3rd goon is started. Expand again to the front nat after your 4th goon is started. If you control properly (block scv scouting) it rapes so hardcore it's not even funny.
It also helps you avoid unpleasent situations such as the one jaehoon just faced.
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dude... this hardly counts as a game... NaDa must be ace!
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note to fakesteve:
nada for powerrank
seriously, he's pulling out all the stops right now, advancing to Ro16 in both leagues, good proleague record, able to play long macro war, do cheeses like this, etc. could he be back to his dominant self? i sure hope so.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
i want to see jaehoon or pusan for ace :X
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Ace will definitely be Nada or MInd. I think it will be mind though because the likelyhood of MBC sending Sea and the f act that mind is a stronger TvT player (not by much but still).
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Seriously. I haven't heard that much screaming, by fans and commentators, in like.. 4 seasons. Seriously, that was louder than any recent starleague.
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yup, i read the PR and was suprised nada wasn't even mentioned... its like he didn't exist =(
hes been on quite a roll lately too
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Who on earth can WeMade send out besides Nada or Mind? Tell me, tell me, datadatada tell me.
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where do u all watch the match live? i wanted to watch it but i dunno from where u all watch it. what website?
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Mind's TvT is stronger than NaDa's, I have to admit.
Still I'd vote for NaDa again of course, he will win if he needs to. But Mind's TvT is monstrous.
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Oh look Mind vs Sea, god I'm good;)
If only I spoke korean,I could coach
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OMG Sea vs Mind!!!!!!!!!!!
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GOOOOOOOO FOX TERRAN!!!!!
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sea looks tense and nervous - cheer up boy
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i would jump around daum rooms to watch both of these epic ace matches, but daum is being incredibly lame with the room slot allocations
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I'm a much bigger Sea fan than Mind, I don't really even like Mind...
But I'm x10 times bigger fan of WeMade than MBC so...
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i want the VOD of that nada game just so i can relive all the screaming and shouting lol
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oh good they're showing the replay !
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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On May 05 2008 20:43 VioleTAK wrote:
I'm a much bigger Sea fan than Mind, I don't really even like Mind...
But I'm x10 times bigger fan of WeMade than MBC so...
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Since MBC ditched July, it just feels wrong. And then Bisu went so... I can't cheer for them anymore -_- Sea is my only real love for MBC right now. And WeMade is NaDa's team! I want them to do well this season. Championship well!
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7 rooms for ktf vs hanbit and only one for MBC vs wemade ? IMBA
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On May 05 2008 20:49 radadaundandan wrote:
7 rooms for ktf vs hanbit and only one for MBC vs wemade ? IMBA
NaDa game lasted 3min... should have by itself been 7pages :-)
Actualy its all about which game starts first. Today the OGN games always started a few min before MBC. People don't like to switch midstream, myself included.
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Sea, fuck yes. The one remaining reason I cheer for MBC.
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Haha recently i catch myself praying a bit before i open spoilers when nada plays. And it works so far.
I don't know what he did, but his play is interesting again. All these little moves he's been doing lately blow me away. It's not exactly the oldskool micro, more like small tinny tricks. Like when he triple stimed, the vulture sneak or when he microed against zerglings like a motherfucker and everyone tought "fuck he's going to loose them".
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CA10829 Posts
mind brown at 11, sea yellow at 5
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mind going standard rax/gas build, but sea goes direct for the CC after supply, and then rax now.
mind sends out an scv to search but he goes towards 1oclock, which means he'll scout sea's FE last.
lol some funny micro going on at sea's nat, with rine and scv, but doesn't really do anything significant
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mind allows sea's scv to enter which means that sea can play safely and w/o any worries. sea's expo was much much faster so mind has to do something to catch up. sea is going for wraith, whereas mind went for siege mode first.
sea pulls scvs, empties the bunker and takes out the siege tank containing him, which means that he wanted to conceal the wraith build. wraith is harassing min line, armory is making, which means that mind is forced to make 2 gols, while it allows sea to make tanks.
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sea made 2 wraiths, tried to kill mind's floating rax but he can't finish it off. mind saw that sea wasn't researching cloak so he moves out right away with his 3 tanks and tries a mini contain.
sea notices a little late and sets up counter tank line, mini tank fight and mind comes out on top even though sea had superior vision due to wraith, nice targetting by mind.
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i hate k t ep~~
but other thaan that... go wemade..
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mind snipes the wraiths.
ok so mind tries to go for a speedvult/mine push but sea scouts it and gets better position on the map
tank line standoff but sea comes out on top, kills minds tanks
2 dropships out for sea, oh wait 3 now. moving around with his ground army accompanying it.
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sea is ahead, taking another base worth of gasses
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mind takes min only at 11:30, sea trying to take 5 main (gas)
sea drops off a few tanks a gols and is set up in siege mode, so mind can't go in. but mind brings in a few tanks and kills it! sea cancels that cc that's building. another cc tries to land but mind laid a mine there.
sea of course tries to kill all those units and does so although he did lose some, but he still comes out on top.
mind sends 4 vultures to the 5expo now that sea has put scvs mining there, they run past some of sea's gols and do a good job taking out some scvs.
a random turret takes out one of sea's dropships.
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sea has more gas expo but mind has better map control. he delays sea's expo at 5nat again with vultures, sea shows good response by blocking the choke to 5main with a supply.
his vulture use is amazing
slowly mind is wearing sea down taking out random units here and there, and its starting to add up. mind with a nice mass of tanks now with map control.
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Mind's TvT is legendary..
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sea trying to push out in mid with some ground and his 4 dropships, but he moves his dropships up too far and mind had units higher up and so sea lost a dropship, commentators go crazy.
looking at the minimap mind has 2/3 or 3/4 of the map
mind uses dropships and takes out some of seas tanks in the mid
sea has one of the center double gas expos but its getting hit by a cliff tank of mind.
mind's multitasking seems to be one step ahead of sea. sea losing groups of 3-4 tanks left and right.
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Wow I just tuned in , looks like such a fucking close game.
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sea getting desperate with his dropships and tries push up towards 12 but mind with excellent game sense lets sea drop first, and then attacks with both ground and dropship simultaneously after sending a few scv in first
sea loses more units after a massive drop towards the middle of the map around 6 by both players, where mind clearly comes out on top.
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this game shows why mind is an msl champion and sea is not
don't get me wrong, I love sea (and especially his TvT) but...
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mind kills sea's cc at 6, sea hesitating with what to do with his dropships, meanwhile mind reloads his dropships. this is huge because it separates seas main with his most important expos at 5.
sea still has a lot of units though.
HUGE fight near 5 and mind just completely owns sea. both of sea's expos will go down unless sea does something miraculous
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rofl mind own tvt.. only flash can topple his tvt
he overcame the bo advantage by awesome vulture use
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GG sea has no mining bases and mind wins!
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nice job from wemade, 3-2 over MBC!
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Mind is playing really well these days. I like it, even though i voted mbc !
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Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-)
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I for one will not be suprised if Mind goes very deep into both starleagues. Big question is can he overcome Flash and/or Jaedong right now.
By the way, there is quite a gap between 3 and 5 in the powerrank.
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despite getting screwed over by initial build orders, mind proves that he has superior game management.
seriously how do you take 2/3-3/4 of the map in tvt with only mass vultures vs tank/gol? lol this guy is amazing
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On May 05 2008 21:21 Nick_54 wrote:
I for one will not be suprised if Mind goes very deep into both starleagues. Big question is can he overcome Flash and/or Jaedong right now.
By the way, there is quite a gap between 3 and 5 in the powerrank.
Um what? Quite a gap? Did you watch the game? It was extremely close.
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shit, We Made Fcuk really annoy me! almost all the times I voted for them, they lost pathetically, but tonight, when my vote did not go for them, they whipt MBC's a$$ instead.
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On May 05 2008 21:24 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote:
shit, We Made Fcuk really annoy me! almost all the times I voted for them, they lost pathetically, but tonight, when my vote did not go for them, they whipt MBC's a$$ instead.
Maybe you just suck at voting?
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"Sea is playing great right now. I wish his TvP would be a little more stable, but Sea is a heavy favourite against any Terran or Zerg that he plays right now, regardless of play style." From may's PR. Looks like somebody forgot to mention Mind, flash, jaedong and nada?
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On May 05 2008 21:24 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:21 Nick_54 wrote:
I for one will not be suprised if Mind goes very deep into both starleagues. Big question is can he overcome Flash and/or Jaedong right now.
By the way, there is quite a gap between 3 and 5 in the powerrank. Um what? Quite a gap? Did you watch the game? It was extremely close.
I'm a lot more comfortable with Mind in a best of series than I am with Sea. According to many Sea had the best TvT until Mind and Flash started dominating. I think Mind is playin much better right now.
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WEMADOEROOOOEEEE!!!!!!!!!
can't touch this don don don don dondon dondon can't touch this!
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On May 05 2008 21:24 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:21 Nick_54 wrote:
I for one will not be suprised if Mind goes very deep into both starleagues. Big question is can he overcome Flash and/or Jaedong right now.
By the way, there is quite a gap between 3 and 5 in the powerrank. Um what? Quite a gap? Did you watch the game? It was extremely close.
not even close, even if sea had a BO advantage, mind was ahead after the time he denied the expansion at 5 with mine and vulture harass. minds whole top bases was never even touched. although he had a lot of turrets up just in case.his vulture mines and turret placements gave him so much map control. /endfanboyism
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On May 05 2008 21:24 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:21 Nick_54 wrote:
I for one will not be suprised if Mind goes very deep into both starleagues. Big question is can he overcome Flash and/or Jaedong right now.
By the way, there is quite a gap between 3 and 5 in the powerrank. Um what? Quite a gap? Did you watch the game? It was extremely close.
other than sea's advantageous build order the game wasn't close at all. once we got into midgame mind completely outclassed him.
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Woohoo. This means that MBC has been pegged back. Good news for KTF.
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Check the results spoiler :-)
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On May 05 2008 21:28 VioleTAK wrote:
Check the results spoiler :-)
lol i love it!
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On May 05 2008 21:27 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:24 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On May 05 2008 21:21 Nick_54 wrote:
I for one will not be suprised if Mind goes very deep into both starleagues. Big question is can he overcome Flash and/or Jaedong right now.
By the way, there is quite a gap between 3 and 5 in the powerrank. Um what? Quite a gap? Did you watch the game? It was extremely close. other than sea's advantageous build order the game wasn't close at all. once we got into midgame mind completely outclassed him.
Ok, I am glad a couple people seem to agree with me.
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On May 05 2008 21:21 VioleTAK wrote:
Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-)
2nd best, mate. ^^
Flash is 2-0 against Mind, and let's not forget that Flash 3-1'ed Mind in that GOM TV Surprise tournament, too.
Then again, Canata did take Flash's TvT recently.
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Well I didnt start watching the game til the end but it sure looked close to me Although watching from the start might have given me a much different impression.
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On May 05 2008 21:31 Lhyviathan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:21 VioleTAK wrote:
Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-) 2nd best, mate. ^^ Flash is 2-0 against Mind, and let's not forget that Flash 3-1'ed Mind in that GOM TV Surprise tournament, too. Then again, Canata did take Flash's TvT recently.
i'd say mind is better, but flash just has that magical feelign that he stole from bisu, which stolen from savior. or maybe its just my fanboyism, but thats what i think.
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with a little bit of work wemade can be a real contender for the proleague title
we already have two highly reliable terran stars in nada and mind. with casy that's another good 3rd terran.
for the protoss lineup we got rock, pure and hero. none of them are really superstars, but pure is a pvp monster, hero is on the rise now that he qualified for the MSL, and rock is, well, the rock.
the only thing really lacking in wemade's lineup is the zerg side. basically we have firefist, and that's it. but you know, firefist is really showing a lot of promise in his play, even though his win-loss record doesn't reflect it. i really hope wemade can pick up some major zerg talent to train their zergs.
as for 2v2 teams, nal_keke and hoony are doing a fine job. i believe they are well over the 50% mark overall when they play 2v2.
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Yeah WeMade is a sneaky frisky team right now.
With the new playoff format (best 6 teams make it) WeMade is for sure a playoff contender.
Does Nal_Keke still have a mustache?
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Casy and Nada still aren't that reliable - Nada's in both leagues, I know, but he didn't look all that great getting in. I'd be pretty excited if Mind/Nada/Casy were a formidable lineup, but it doesn't seem all that scary lately (except for Mind, who's tearing everybody up). (Edit: Of course, in the proleague, they don't all need to be doing great in order to succeed, and they're all still damn good players. It's still a strong proleague lineup.)
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On May 05 2008 21:37 Pyrthas wrote:
Casy and Nada still aren't that reliable - Nada's in both leagues, I know, but he didn't look all that great getting in. I'd be pretty excited if Mind/Nada/Casy were a formidable lineup, but it doesn't seem all that scary lately (except for Mind, who's tearing everybody up). (Edit: Of course, in the proleague, they don't all need to be doing great in order to succeed, and they're all still damn good players. It's still a strong proleague lineup.)
but you see, there was this interview with nada where he said that he was "feeling it" again. as in, the way his fingers felt on the keyboard and mouse as he's playing.
and we all know how scary nada is when he has "it."
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On May 05 2008 21:33 bahhh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:31 Lhyviathan wrote:On May 05 2008 21:21 VioleTAK wrote:
Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-) 2nd best, mate. ^^ Flash is 2-0 against Mind, and let's not forget that Flash 3-1'ed Mind in that GOM TV Surprise tournament, too. Then again, Canata did take Flash's TvT recently. i'd say mind is better, but flash just has that magical feelign that he stole from bisu, which stolen from savior. or maybe its just my fanboyism, but thats what i think.
Lol don't know about the strealing magic part :-) But I too think Mind's TvT is the best, better than Flash's.... why? I don't know. Thats how it feels even though Flash beat him.
Maybe its because Flash is the overall best player in everything period, so he can't have rights for TvT as well, when there's such a TvT monster as Mind around. Well, it doesn't make sense :-) But I think Mind's TvT is the best around!
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On May 05 2008 21:37 Pyrthas wrote:
Casy and Nada still aren't that reliable - Nada's in both leagues, I know, but he didn't look all that great getting in. I'd be pretty excited if Mind/Nada/Casy were a formidable lineup, but it doesn't seem all that scary lately (except for Mind, who's tearing everybody up). (Edit: Of course, in the proleague, they don't all need to be doing great in order to succeed, and they're all still damn good players. It's still a strong proleague lineup.)
Hmm WeMade don't feel solid yet to me either. Just because I feel that if NaDa or Mind lose their game at any given matchup, its like... too much for the rest of the team to cover for. And they can't always win.
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On May 05 2008 21:41 VioleTAK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:37 Pyrthas wrote:
Casy and Nada still aren't that reliable - Nada's in both leagues, I know, but he didn't look all that great getting in. I'd be pretty excited if Mind/Nada/Casy were a formidable lineup, but it doesn't seem all that scary lately (except for Mind, who's tearing everybody up). (Edit: Of course, in the proleague, they don't all need to be doing great in order to succeed, and they're all still damn good players. It's still a strong proleague lineup.) Hmm WeMade don't feel solid yet to me either. Just because I feel that if NaDa or Mind lose their game at any given matchup, its like... too much for the rest of the team to cover for. And they can't always win.
Yes, and for sure there will be days when WeMade gets 0-3'ed. But still, they are a top 6 contender at the moment. They'll probably be in the playoff dogfight with other teams on the edge, like Hanbit and STX.
But it's still better then where they were for the last few seasons.
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On May 05 2008 21:44 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:41 VioleTAK wrote:On May 05 2008 21:37 Pyrthas wrote:
Casy and Nada still aren't that reliable - Nada's in both leagues, I know, but he didn't look all that great getting in. I'd be pretty excited if Mind/Nada/Casy were a formidable lineup, but it doesn't seem all that scary lately (except for Mind, who's tearing everybody up). (Edit: Of course, in the proleague, they don't all need to be doing great in order to succeed, and they're all still damn good players. It's still a strong proleague lineup.) Hmm WeMade don't feel solid yet to me either. Just because I feel that if NaDa or Mind lose their game at any given matchup, its like... too much for the rest of the team to cover for. And they can't always win. <b>Yes, and for sure there will be days when WeMade gets 0-3'ed</b>. But still, they are a top 6 contender at the moment. They'll probably be in the playoff dogfight with other teams on the edge, like Hanbit and STX. But it's still better then where they were for the last few seasons.
Exactly! fans have to understand the situation of their favorite team. WeMade is doing absolutely amazing for the lineups they're putting up, getting 100% out of everyone. I'm very satisfied with the results so far! :-) I know, they don't have... say, the Lecaf backup that you can always count on for a fair chance if Jaedong/Anytime lose, with the likes of fOrGG, HiyA, BackHo... which aren't amazing, but they can put up a great fight vs top progamers. But they are doing so well. They will have the bad days, but more good days, great matchups, beating the odds. ALL THE WAY WeMade! NaDa <3!
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I would like to use my 6000th post as a prayer for Nada to win a starleague title this season
Let it be done.
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I wanna see the nada match. hah.
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On May 05 2008 22:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:I would like to use my 6000th post as a prayer for Nada to win a starleague title this season Let it be done.
That
was
beautiful
I will join the deep prayer!
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lol at the results spoiler so funny but so true.
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damn stupid liquibet didnt let me vote for FOX so fuck it..
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Damn, Mind pulled it off. MBC :'(
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Nada's timing rush is excellent !
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On May 05 2008 21:39 VioleTAK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:33 bahhh wrote:On May 05 2008 21:31 Lhyviathan wrote:On May 05 2008 21:21 VioleTAK wrote:
Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-) 2nd best, mate. ^^ Flash is 2-0 against Mind, and let's not forget that Flash 3-1'ed Mind in that GOM TV Surprise tournament, too. Then again, Canata did take Flash's TvT recently. i'd say mind is better, but flash just has that magical feelign that he stole from bisu, which stolen from savior. or maybe its just my fanboyism, but thats what i think. Lol don't know about the strealing magic part :-) But I too think Mind's TvT is the best, better than Flash's.... why? I don't know. Thats how it feels even though Flash beat him. Maybe its because Flash is the overall best player in everything period, so he can't have rights for TvT as well, when there's such a TvT monster as Mind around. Well, it doesn't make sense :-) But I think Mind's TvT is the best around!
I've got to disagree, even though I would have agreed with you a week ago. Because the last match (proleague) between Mind and Flash wasn't just Flash winning, it seemed like Flash was solving Mind. It's true that Mind's dropship play is better than anyone else, and Flash knew it. So he just plastered the map with spotter SCVs and a random turret here and there and negated Mind's threat until his own advantages (basically, better macro and concentration of units) could kick in fully. I love Mind, don't get me wrong, but Flash is decisively superior in all three matchups.
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On May 06 2008 01:00 EvoChamber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 21:39 VioleTAK wrote:On May 05 2008 21:33 bahhh wrote:On May 05 2008 21:31 Lhyviathan wrote:On May 05 2008 21:21 VioleTAK wrote:
Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-) 2nd best, mate. ^^ Flash is 2-0 against Mind, and let's not forget that Flash 3-1'ed Mind in that GOM TV Surprise tournament, too. Then again, Canata did take Flash's TvT recently. i'd say mind is better, but flash just has that magical feelign that he stole from bisu, which stolen from savior. or maybe its just my fanboyism, but thats what i think. Lol don't know about the strealing magic part :-) But I too think Mind's TvT is the best, better than Flash's.... why? I don't know. Thats how it feels even though Flash beat him. Maybe its because Flash is the overall best player in everything period, so he can't have rights for TvT as well, when there's such a TvT monster as Mind around. Well, it doesn't make sense :-) But I think Mind's TvT is the best around! I've got to disagree, even though I would have agreed with you a week ago. Because the last match (proleague) between Mind and Flash wasn't just Flash winning, it seemed like Flash was solving Mind. It's true that Mind's dropship play is better than anyone else, and Flash knew it. So he just plastered the map with spotter SCVs and a random turret here and there and negated Mind's threat until his own advantages (basically, better macro and concentration of units) could kick in fully. I love Mind, don't get me wrong, but Flash is decisively superior in all three matchups.
I agree. Flash's Tvt is his most solid matchup. He is a definitive favourite against any terran in a bo3, or bo5.
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On May 06 2008 01:11 Jimtudor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2008 01:00 EvoChamber wrote:On May 05 2008 21:39 VioleTAK wrote:On May 05 2008 21:33 bahhh wrote:On May 05 2008 21:31 Lhyviathan wrote:On May 05 2008 21:21 VioleTAK wrote:
Mind's TvT is the best around. What a monster.
Scary Terrans this season! I'm so excited! :-) 2nd best, mate. ^^ Flash is 2-0 against Mind, and let's not forget that Flash 3-1'ed Mind in that GOM TV Surprise tournament, too. Then again, Canata did take Flash's TvT recently. i'd say mind is better, but flash just has that magical feelign that he stole from bisu, which stolen from savior. or maybe its just my fanboyism, but thats what i think. Lol don't know about the strealing magic part :-) But I too think Mind's TvT is the best, better than Flash's.... why? I don't know. Thats how it feels even though Flash beat him. Maybe its because Flash is the overall best player in everything period, so he can't have rights for TvT as well, when there's such a TvT monster as Mind around. Well, it doesn't make sense :-) But I think Mind's TvT is the best around! I've got to disagree, even though I would have agreed with you a week ago. Because the last match (proleague) between Mind and Flash wasn't just Flash winning, it seemed like Flash was solving Mind. It's true that Mind's dropship play is better than anyone else, and Flash knew it. So he just plastered the map with spotter SCVs and a random turret here and there and negated Mind's threat until his own advantages (basically, better macro and concentration of units) could kick in fully. I love Mind, don't get me wrong, but Flash is decisively superior in all three matchups. I agree. Flash's Tvt is his most solid matchup. He is a definitive favourite against any terran in a bo3, or bo5.
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Yeah, and to add to that, Flash most likely will improve more (dunno how that's possible) than Mind due to his young age-provided he doesn't seize up during one of his eye-rolls and die
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On May 06 2008 07:39 Danger_Duck wrote:
Yeah, and to add to that, Flash most likely will improve more (dunno how that's possible) than Mind due to his young age.
You make it sound like Mind is ancient. He's only nine months older than Flash!
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lol, this is basically a nada love thread
i'll join!
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