Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the great PvZ day in this year's Bacchus OSL! We will witness this exciting matchup three times in a row, until yet another warrior from Aiur makes the finisher against a terran contender. So, if you are into the resurgence of the protoss race, this is your day.
As stated otherwhere, it is still possible for all the players to remain in the tournament. Only those who have gone 2-0 so far can definitely stamp their ticket to the Ro8, everyone else has to hope for cooperation of the others in their group
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Jaedong [2-0] vs. Best [1-1] Was it an upset? Was it expected? In any case, Best beat Savior last week after a misdirected early hydrapush. He solidified his bases, dropped some DTs in Saviors main and ended the game with a supply difference of about 100 when Savior was still fighting back with stray groups of hydras. Naturally, this will not happen when he is playing Jaedong, who is on a 13 game win streak and looks to be one with the flow. So Best better watch his back in this one. On another note, this is the second last occasion where Demon's Forest will be played, as the match will be scrapped after Ro16 and replaced by Fantasy II.
Rock [1-1] vs. Rumble [0-2] Rumble was trounced last week by Stork. Stork went old-fashioned two gateway pressure and Rumble never managed to handle it. Yet, that match took place in the dreaded Teutoburg, so this week might look different, as the playing field will be Blue Storm. The MSL matchups from last week convinced me however that PvZ is not as desperate on Blue Storm as Bisu makes it look. Both Kal (more) and Jangbi (less) overcame their opponents with relative ease due to a strong reaver / zealot push. I would expect more of that today. Even if Rock wins today, he has to hope for Stork beating Flash in order to advance safely into the Ro8. In case Flash wins, there is a 3-way tie between them.
Luxury [2-0] vs. Bisu [1-1] Luxury looked damn slick against Xellos, but maybe that was just Xellos faltering. However, he managed a smooth transition from Muta to Ultra, which many zergs have been trying but which did not work out as well for them. Bisu is on his last legs. His staple matchup appears to be broken since Jaedong, Yarnc, and lately July walked over him. On Troy he has his final chance of achieving something in current starleagues, else his glory will be "has been". Group constellation is the same as in all others: If Bisu wins, he still has to hope for Xellos to make a proud victory against July to make him advance directly, else it's survivor mode.
Backho [0-2] vs. Frozean [1-1] Frozean seems to be booked for surprises in OSL's Ro16, last season he beat Flash and Rock and forced a tiebreaker involving him, Flash, and Savior. He lost there, unfortunately. But this season he is on the hunt again, claiming a win against the favourite Yarnc in a ugly close match on demon's forest. Backho didn't manage to convince anyone so far, last week he got raped using a FE strategy on Troy against Yarnc and has not shown more in his earlier game against Much. What is giving him a slight edge here is the map, Katrina, which everyone knows is a stronghold of Protoss against Terran. I am wary to repeat the group setup things, but Frozean, in case he snatches the win, will be hoping for Much to finalize the 3-0.
Jaedong < Best Best stops Jaedong after 13-game winning spree and denies him beating oov's record. Savior is officially OUT of this OSL. Rock < Rumble With this result, Stork is already in the Ro8. Rumble and Rock have to hope for Stork beating Flash. Bisu < Luxury Luxury is through into Ro8 as 1st in his group. Bisu has to hope for Xellos beating July to create a 3way tie. Backho < Frozean Backho is OUT from this tournament, Frozean will have to see if Much manages to beat Yarnc in the final match.
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JAEDONG ---> auto vote Rumble ---> i have faith on you and + rock is not good PvZ and this is on bluestorm Bisu -----> if u loose thats the end of ure reign Frozean -----> better than blackho
Hoping for Best/Bisu/Rock/Backho, although Jaedong/Bisu/Rock/Frozean is probably how things will go. It's not Blue Storm for Bisu after all, so that kicks his chances right up, and Best/Backho could certainly surprise.
Rumble/Rock is probably going to mediocre though :'(
aww i always get up like 1 hour too early for this, i do the calculation late at night (remaining time), and i still get it wrong somehow lol, its really silly.. but yeye
On January 30 2008 18:05 trollbone wrote: JAEDONG ---> auto vote Rumble ---> i have faith on you and + rock is not good PvZ and this is on bluestorm Bisu -----> if u loose thats the end of ure reign Frozean -----> better than backho
I agree with that except for Rumble . I think/want Rock to take this .
The significance of the Jaedong game is huge. If he wins, he will beat iloveoov's record streak of 13. ZvP is his worst matchup, so if it's going to happen, it's going to be tonight.
I'll be watching, and I'm not sure who to root for. I don't want Oov's streak to be beaten, but I also love watching someone dominate.. everyone.
When 10 dragoons die, I feel a spark. When 30 zealots evaporate, I faintly remember. When the field is steaming blue soup, I am alive. The pain is so bad ROCK IS LIFE.
Jaedong > best momentum on his side and i dont think best is as good at pvz than bisu Rumble > rock i dont like rock Bisu > luxury his last chance Frozean > backho
Here come the players. Best is out first.. grins widely and is supported in the booth by an attractive young SKT fan who is called upon to help out. Jaedong out next, and he almost looks bored..
OGN are reporting Jaedong's ZvP as 70% interesting, especially since they are taking MBC hosted games into their calculations these days. Next we're treated with the opening ceremony again..
Best with gateway first, which is a slight surprise in PvZ today. JD with 9 pool / gas. Single gate -> Gas for Best. JD has 6 longs out and expells the scouting probe. Drone wandering towards the closest expansion. Lair morphing.
Yes, YY is behind Daum, but that is no surprise, has always been like that. So, single hatch lair with hydra den morphing. Lurkerburger in teutoburger? Robotics warping for Best.
JD rallying 4 hydras towards Best's base. Best is ferrying a probe out for scouting. Does a funny dance with a hydra in the woods.
JD breask the choke with 3 lurkers and assorted lings, loses some to heavy zealots, but breaks through, burrows a lurker near peon line and interrupts mining. Kills the observatory just after warping in. Best is disturbed in mining but manages to get an observer out and to repell the invaders. Reaver is dropped into JDs base.
Solid defense by Best, weird strat by Jaedong. And there goes his streak. Best in a good position to advance now, although he has to hope for Savior beating Sea (lol). Else it is 3way tiebreaker between Best, Sea and Jaedong (who wouldnt want that? )
This was what they wanted to accomplish with Demon's Forests. Cool one base strategies. The concept of the map is great, too bad with the glitches and all that.
On January 30 2008 19:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote: nah the build would have worked except best was really lucky as hell. As soon as his observatory died he built an observer.
I would see it from the other angle. He almost lucked towards killing the observatory before it finished warping. He was obviously not heading towards the observatory but towards the peon line, and that is where he found the observatory as well.
I think Jaedong should've moved in range of the robo with his lurks and tried to take it down instead of the observatory. He woulda won if he had taken that down before the obs.
On January 30 2008 19:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote: nah the build would have worked except best was really lucky as hell. As soon as his observatory died he built an observer.
Wasn't it more like he built the observer while the observatory was alive because he knew it was going to die? I don't see anything there that could be considered lucky.
On January 30 2008 19:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote: nah the build would have worked except best was really lucky as hell. As soon as his observatory died he built an observer.
Yes bad strat by J but still I`ll think is the right think to do now and then just to let your apponent guess and well he almost won that but got that obs at the last second.
On January 30 2008 19:50 teamsolid wrote: I think Jaedong should've moved in range of the robo with his lurks and tried to take it down instead of the observatory. He woulda won if he had taken that down before the obs.
Not sure even then, cause the reaver would just rape his base as it did, and a robo is just so much stronger than the observatory. I think it was gg at the moment Best put that robo down.
On January 30 2008 19:53 sh02hp0869 wrote: Yes bad strat by J but still I`ll think is the right think to do now and then just to let your apponent guess and well he almost won that but got that obs at the last second.
It wasn't necessarily a bad build, it just didn't work against a smart player like best. Rock probably would'nt have had any idea of what was going to hit him.
it was a good strat vs anything but 1gate/robo i guess. Jaedong didnt care too much it seems, i thought he wanted to keep his streak though.. does this mean jaedong might have to play a tiebreaker? if so, its abit stupid still love him though
On January 30 2008 19:57 AnOth3rDAy wrote: it was a good strat vs anything but 1gate/robo i guess. Jaedong didnt care too much it seems, i thought he wanted to keep his streak though.. does this mean jaedong might have to play a tiebreaker? if so, its abit stupid still love him though
And any build that doesn't involves forge at all. So basically 2 gate +1 speedzeal rush excluded, bisubuild excluded. What is remaining? 2 gate robo?
On January 30 2008 19:57 AnOth3rDAy wrote: it was a good strat vs anything but 1gate/robo i guess. Jaedong didnt care too much it seems, i thought he wanted to keep his streak though.. does this mean jaedong might have to play a tiebreaker? if so, its abit stupid still love him though
if sea wins there should be a 3way tie breaker between jaedong, best and sea with 2 advancing
On January 30 2008 19:57 AnOth3rDAy wrote: it was a good strat vs anything but 1gate/robo i guess. Jaedong didnt care too much it seems, i thought he wanted to keep his streak though.. does this mean jaedong might have to play a tiebreaker? if so, its abit stupid still love him though
And any build that doesn't involves forge at all. So basically 2 gate +1 speedzeal rush excluded, bisubuild excluded. What is remaining? 2 gate robo?
Rock pylon at natural, FE build incoming. Rumble goes for 10/9 pool. Rock stalls Rumble's expansion a little bit with a probe, 2 lings heading up but 2 cannons are morphing before Rock starts his nexus.
On January 30 2008 19:53 sh02hp0869 wrote: Yes bad strat by J but still I`ll think is the right think to do now and then just to let your apponent guess and well he almost won that but got that obs at the last second.
It wasn't necessarily a bad build, it just didn't work against a smart player like best. Rock probably would'nt have had any idea of what was going to hit him.
Well thats tru, but is not possible that Kal knew was what comming until he drop that s. He lost his scouting prob early and dident see if J had an exp or not, So if J would have gone 2H instead it would have been hard for him catch up in minerals.
Rumble with another hatchery at his minonly, as has become fairly standard on Blue storm. Finally he also adds an extractor. Rumble started mining at his natural, so does Rock. Rock has cycore done, his first techbuilding is a stargate. Rumble morphing to lair at his natural.
Spire AND Hydraden morphing for rumble, Rock is heading down with 2 zealots to cause trouble. Rumble sends 10 or so lings up, but no avail. Citadel for Rock while the first corsair scouts rumble. Rumble with no anti air yet and 3 ovies bunched up.
Seven speedlots slam into Rumble's min only and drive the drones away. Some mutas hatch, but the zealots stay to fight the reinforcing zerglings. Zealots lose some but keep on rolling. Rock taking his min only. All in all, that zealot harass was maybe not that effectual but cool. Rumble sending up some mutas now. DT harassing rumble's min only. Mutas find the expansion but are driven away by an archon.
lol. that zealot harass worked miracles. mutas were held up at zerg's base for so long, rock casually took another exp without even bothering to cannon up his main...
I like Rock's style so far, keeping Rumble on his toes and causing economic damage. Rumble now has a mixed hydralingmuta force in the middle of the map and looks ready to strike the min only again.
20 or so hydras slam into the min only, eliminating the zealot defenders. Commentators are screaming for high templars, but none are coming. hydras continue to rocks natural where DT and zealots barely stop them.
This is so Rockish, what do you do against mutaling with speedzeals? You engage a fight. You don't try to kill drones or scout, or pull back, or anything useful, you kill the same number of lings as you lose zealots. I hate this guy.
Rock now on the defense, zerg economy is running and hydras are massing. He is adding more cannons and again sending zealots for harassing the min only expansion. Overlord speed done for Rumble, dropping Rock's main and causing heavy damage.
Rock did not gg yet, but he is essentially out of this game. manages to cleanse his main with the help of an observer, but white dots are approaching from all over the map.
On January 30 2008 20:14 Bazse wrote: This is so Rockish, what do you do against mutaling with speedzeals? You engage a fight. You don't try to kill drones or scout, or pull back, or anything useful, you kill the same number of lings as you lose zealots. I hate this guy.
gg from Rock. So, as usual: If Stork beats Flash, there is a 3way between Rumble, Rock and Flash, with one advancing, if Flash beats Stork, both of them get through.
Just cuz he dropped off the face of progaming now doesn't mean Casy wasn't a great champ. Please stop being stupid. He still had many strong OSL finishes. And yes, he has a glaring weakness which is uncommon in a champ. He is still a champ and one of the most accomplished to play the game.
On January 30 2008 20:26 Sunyveil wrote: It's a good thing all of these games featured in these commercials are korean only otherwise I'd probably get hooked on a few of them
You mean that generic RPG game that had nothing interesting in it? Or hellgate london which is no where near korean only?
On January 30 2008 20:29 Sunyveil wrote: lol, apparently Rock had trouble pushing the "T" key for templar, instead he smashed the bottom left corner of the keyboard for moar zealots
Wouldn't it be awesome if Rock had a huge mouse mad of rock and a huge keyboard with only just enough buttons to type therock and play starcraft. Then he could sit there and smash it in front of the cameras and everyone would be happy.
i know lately i haven't been praying to you as much as i used to, but if it's not too much to ask, please bring back the protoss that 3-0ed an 80% zvp maestro...
On January 30 2008 20:31 GeLaar wrote: please, bee-god,
i know lately i haven't been praying to you as much as i used to, but if it's not too much to ask, please bring back the protoss that 3-0ed an 80% zvp maestro...
Its quite obvious though, Jaedong prepered for PL Finals, and for zvz vs luxury.
Then he had this ZvP game vs Best[hyo] and he was already 2-0 in his group so he tried something fast so he wouldnt have to prepere alot, didnt work this time but im sure he wont lose his momentum.
On January 30 2008 20:27 SuperJongMan wrote: Just cuz he dropped off the face of progaming now doesn't mean Casy wasn't a great champ. Please stop being stupid. He still had many strong OSL finishes. And yes, he has a glaring weakness which is uncommon in a champ. He is still a champ and one of the most accomplished to play the game.
Lux's build and gameplan is so cool. I am having a blast laughing. I just.. the instant 5pool came, it clicked how mighty it is on a map with these features.
On January 30 2008 20:46 NovaTheFeared wrote: 5 pool is great on this map, I won a game as toss after getting hit by it. Just 1 base reaver get the island and start the harass.
I bet your opponent didn't drone pump/expand right after like Lux did. His 5 pool wasn't actually all-in...
On January 30 2008 20:44 disciple wrote: year ago i think a guy beat Reach with 5 pool and didnt get congrats from his teammates- thats a gay way to win !
I am bisu and P fun but 5 pool (or 4 as well) is part of the game and also the reason why i always stated PvZ is imba ... 5/4 pool is always possible and it's a viable strategy that set pat of the imba in the PvZ. I don't wonder this strategy was used today, P players, nowadays always start FE.
On January 30 2008 20:44 disciple wrote: year ago i think a guy beat Reach with 5 pool and didnt get congrats from his teammates- thats a gay way to win !
I am bisu and P fun but 5 pool (or 4 as well) is part of the game and also the reason why i always stated PvZ is imba ... 5/4 pool is always possible and it's a viable strategy that set pat of the imba in the PvZ. I don't wonder this strategy was used today, P players, nowadays always start FE.
Because it can easily be stopped by probe block/cannons in time when scouted. Bisu got pretty unlucky with scout 50/50 chance.
What Lux did is very clever, he basically 5pooled to deny the 2nd gas from Bisu, which is the keystone to the Bisupvz playstyle. I think the clever thing for Bisu would be to get robo, shuttle, take an island and cannon up, and then start corsairs from 2 stargates, since he don't have to worry about ground attacks anywhere.
On January 30 2008 20:53 SuperJongMan wrote: 1 gas sair < 2 gas muta
I don't think so, as soon as the toss has ~8 sairs, it is reversed. Not to mention the air attack +1 on the sairs.
In this case, there was a lot more involved also. All of which were disadvantages to Bisu. I was just saying why it wasn't completely wierd how Luxury was playing this game. I thought the game was well played.
I think the 5pool was pretty smart because he knows (unlike savior) that a long management game on an iland map against bisu is like typing GG after building his first drone.
I still don't get why did lux go for mass muta. He could have ended this game much earlier with a doomdrop due to his superior econ, and then he wouldn't have to worry about that much reavers. Those mutas were worthless throughout the game (he could have killed the nexus at 2 with hydras while suffering less casulties. Anyway, gg.
Jaedong will punish Lux for his gay-game against Bisu - its just so, if you want to win vs P > 5 pool. works on every map with more than 2 starting points
On January 30 2008 21:01 disciple wrote: Jaedong will punish Lux for his gay-game against Bisu - its just so, if you want to win vs P > 5 pool. works on every map with more than 2 starting points
Uh, what? Since when is 5 pool even close to an auto-win? not to mention the zerg has to scout the right way too.
So, teal backho at 3, brown frozean at 9, both expanded early, Frozean mining up the ground in front of Backho's base. Backho going for citadel and robotics, maybe DTs incoming.
Two scanners and some mines up for Frozean as the DT cargo heads out towards his base. Engbay is just building, so he has limited detection. Frozean has some goliaths and rines which help to stop the drop, so he is forced to run. Backho expanding to his third base and getting a stargate (already).
It is painful to watch, honestly, what do terrans expect from the 1 fac cc build on this gay map? As i've seen so far, it doesn't even matter what the toss is doing versus it, the terran is fucked either way. When i play on this map as terran, i cheese, i gundam, i joyo, but hell, 1 fac expo is not working.
DT / HT mix dropped, beautiful storming on running scvs gets at least 10-15 of them. Backho now seriously ahead, he should be switching to carriers soon.
On January 30 2008 21:19 Daranee wrote: 5 pool gayness. I hope Lux gets flamed for that on the Korean forums. In my opinion, it shows no class.
I disagree. On this particular map, the 5pool was actually a great idea. Even if he cannot inflict any damage on the probes, he can just kill the assimilators and deny the 2nd gas from the toss while recovering economically. What i want to say is that actually i wouldn't consider 5pool as a cheese on this map.
Second stormdrop comes, almost mirrored: One storm on the peon line, Frozean runs all his workers, one storm into the worker trail which kills many of them. Clever dropping by Backho.
Frozean took his third base, Backho taking bottom right. Apparently he is not going for the carrier finisher but for the arbiter. Frozean is upgrading from three armories, which I cannot quite understand.
Backho will soon be maxxed, Frozean is hovering at 140 supply. Backho is letting him room to build up his army, vessels now out, and as there has been something upgrading I would assume he has EMP now.
PIMP. As an arbiter flies in to recall, he gets an EMp right into his face. Backho now storming into Frozean's third base with arbiter support. Doesnt get much done. Maybe he will go for carriers after all. Storm drop at third base again kills tons of scvs.
why are u guys giving luxury shit about his 5 pool??? if anything i blame bisu for going his standard fe in pvz for the 3242834893247983 time in a row. Seriously its is the ONLY build he knows pvz. I havent seen a single pvz where he doesnt fe... if u play on a map like troy and play a stupid and COMPLETELY UNFLEXIBLE player like bisu, why not play the cheese u know thats gonna win against the only build ur opponent ever plays? july did the same with 2 hatch hydra all in. bisu needs to overthink his pvz imo, doing EXACTLY the same EVERY friggin pvz just wont cut it anymore.
Frozean does a good job at EMPing. Backho bashing his head against the ramp leading up to the 3rd base, he looks undecided what he can do. Meanwhile his economic advantage is growing.
Backho might have the map but not the probes to back it up. This is at least developping into an interesting game, as Frozean is playing solid defense, Backho is playing clumsy aggressor, but might prevail due to his economy.
A ground force by Backho is hitting Frozean's third base again, with little more success. Frozean is killing the bottom right base, where Backho has MANY probes.
Frozean is ahead by a mile now. Arbiter coming into his mainbase for a recall, but there are MANY turrets. Two recalls go off still, and Frozean might be in a bit of trouble here.
Recalls are cleaned out without too much trouble, Backho on the retreat in the northern part of the map. He is 70 supply down now. He really looked determine to waste the advantage he gained in the early game through his excellent storm drops. By now, Frozean can do anything, just waltz over him.
On January 30 2008 21:27 diehilde wrote: why are u guys giving luxury shit about his 5 pool??? if anything i blame bisu for going his standard fe in pvz for the 3242834893247983 time in a row. Seriously its is the ONLY build he knows pvz. I havent seen a single pvz where he doesnt fe... if u play on a map like troy and play a stupid and COMPLETELY UNFLEXIBLE player like bisu, why not play the cheese u know thats gonna win against the only build ur opponent ever plays? july did the same with 2 hatch hydra all in. bisu needs to overthink his pvz imo, doing EXACTLY the same EVERY friggin pvz just wont cut it anymore.
on blizz invitational bisu won against savior with very hardcore rush, and as far as I remember against kwanro he went str8 to reaver tech instead of making FE and destroyed the poor zerg... but you are right, bisu must give up the bisubuild and try to be more creative like his idol, Boxer
Maybe Katrina is not an autowin for toss, if you try it hard to lose goons to lone mines constantly and you don't even try to defend your expoes, then the terran can win after 25 mins of struggle. 1/4 and +2 ranks on liquidbet . Frozean played quite solid though.
i have to agree with mani and steve, that game was a pain to watch. good thing its over, i cant believe backho didnt change his gameplan when his arbiters failed for the first time, but no, trying again and again and again until the whole advantage he got himself in the early game was gone and all his troops dead was obviously the better choice for him. losing 1000000 units to mines didnt help either argl...
Bah, 2/4. I get right that Jaedong loses to best cause of that fag map, I also get right that despite what everyone thinks Rumble ain't that bad and he beats Rock...but BISU looses AGAIN, and these two screw me over AGAIN like last week, when I voted for Frozean (AND it's KATRINA PvT damnit!)
On January 30 2008 21:27 diehilde wrote: why are u guys giving luxury shit about his 5 pool??? if anything i blame bisu for going his standard fe in pvz for the 3242834893247983 time in a row. Seriously its is the ONLY build he knows pvz. I havent seen a single pvz where he doesnt fe... if u play on a map like troy and play a stupid and COMPLETELY UNFLEXIBLE player like bisu, why not play the cheese u know thats gonna win against the only build ur opponent ever plays? july did the same with 2 hatch hydra all in. bisu needs to overthink his pvz imo, doing EXACTLY the same EVERY friggin pvz just wont cut it anymore.
QFT remember how savior always did the same exact build for z v t? 3 hatch mutas? after a while, opponents have ur number on how to counter it no matter how precisely you play. predictability is bad...
On January 30 2008 21:27 diehilde wrote: why are u guys giving luxury shit about his 5 pool??? if anything i blame bisu for going his standard fe in pvz for the 3242834893247983 time in a row. Seriously its is the ONLY build he knows pvz. I havent seen a single pvz where he doesnt fe... if u play on a map like troy and play a stupid and COMPLETELY UNFLEXIBLE player like bisu, why not play the cheese u know thats gonna win against the only build ur opponent ever plays? july did the same with 2 hatch hydra all in. bisu needs to overthink his pvz imo, doing EXACTLY the same EVERY friggin pvz just wont cut it anymore.
What other build do you want him to do? A 1 gate build wouldn't have made a difference. Lux still would've been able to take out assimilators and contain Bisu on that map. Only a 2-gate build would've stopped it and I doubt he would do that on such an important match, because it's kind of a roll of a dice when he knows he can outplay Lux in the long run. OR IF he wasn't unlucky and actually scouted Lux in time, he would've auto-won that match after block.
if Bisu got cross positions or scouted the correct direction, that 5 pool is toast... so basically lux has a 1/3 chance of *probably* winning, and a 2/3 chance of almost certainly losing. not a very good build imo, luxury was lucky it worked this time.
diehilde, it has nothing to do with Bisu not being flexible, just about every other toss FEs nowadays too, and forge is the easiest way to stop 5 pool anyway.
if you want to argue about Bisu's inflexibility the best case is made after the forge and cannons, and even then he sometimes goes robo or citadel after stargate. to suggest that Bisu lost because he's somehow more susceptible to 5 pool (lol) than other tosses is ridiculous.
Well, maybe the executions in the games and the end results were not so great, but I really was very tired of same old strategies on those maps in every MU.
I didn't watch the games live, just now, but gotta admit there were very exciting (at least for me): - Jaedong not expoing, the attack, the waiting for obs and then the reaver drop; - Rumble delaying his gas, made 3rd expo very fast, the zealot attack, the first hydra push and the drop in Rock's main; - Luxury nice cheesy, Bisu's lonely probe @ 1o'clock (that, I thought at one moment, could save the game for Bisu); - No carriers in TvP on Katrina, instead - a lot of arbiters and stasis/recall, a lot of dead SCVs from storm, nice mines through the whole game;
Yeah, I feel very bad for sAviOr, Sea, Bisu, but I really enjoyed this games (maybe I am a freak?!).
I agree that Bisu's lategame owns, but how to get there ? I think the guy just has a bad luck- let face it- on the last OSL he played Stork, yeah right the pvp monster and it wasnt smth new that Bisu will lose that, even on MSL he beat stork with some big, fat luck. Than he lost 3-4 games vs Zerg but on Blue Storm... vs GGplay, vs Savior, vs Jaedong and vs July. The one against Jaedong was epic and I can understand Bisu and his noobish play against yarnc. Lets just say it - Blue Storm is Bisu's graveyard - the map is just x96 and its quite easy to defend the expo's for the zerg- thats why Bisu lost to Jaedong - the harass was good but still Jae managed to get his macro up and running. Remember the last time Bisu won on Blue Storm agains Zerg? I feel very sorry for him, because he showed good play against T it will be a great loss for the OSL, but still we have the invitational to come, where oh God, Jaedong is facing the oldschool TvZ masters and Bisu will fight his terran teammates. And if you pls give me some stats about the 5pools against toss, i still think its 80% autowin
On January 31 2008 04:52 Hot_Bid wrote: if Bisu got cross positions or scouted the correct direction, that 5 pool is toast... so basically lux has a 1/3 chance of *probably* winning, and a 2/3 chance of almost certainly losing. not a very good build imo, luxury was lucky it worked this time.
diehilde, it has nothing to do with Bisu not being flexible, just about every other toss FEs nowadays too, and forge is the easiest way to stop 5 pool anyway.
if you want to argue about Bisu's inflexibility the best case is made after the forge and cannons, and even then he sometimes goes robo or citadel after stargate. to suggest that Bisu lost because he's somehow more susceptible to 5 pool (lol) than other tosses is ridiculous.
He might of thought that 1/3 chance was better than his chance at playing him straight up. Luxury hasn't been historically great against Protoss and Bisu, though not getting great results recently against Zerg, should still be considered among the best at the matchup considering the nature of his losses.
Also luxury might like the early pool as he 4 pooled in an ODT game against Flash this season as well.
Dunno why I keep voting for Bisu....I knew Lux was gonna win but I still voted out of hope . Just have to come to terms that Savior and Bisu's times may be up.
2/4 somehow... I guess this is what happens when you're up 2-0 and have been practicing zvz... you do crazy shit like one hatch all in lurker and 5 pool.
I love it how people praise boxer and Nal_ra for their all in cheesy strategies and at the same time hates zerg for doing 4/5-pool (especially "the king of 4-pool" Jju)
On January 31 2008 22:00 pkparadox wrote: so wat happens if july loses to xellos and makes it a 3 way tie between july, xellos, and bisu?
Tiebreakers. Xellos vs Bisu, Xellos vs July, Bisu vs July. If Xellos and July continue the way they're going, Bisu has good reason to hope Xellos pulls through on the win too, since he's still their superior in straight up games (well, arguably so. It has been Blue Storm or short, early ZvP builds that have been doing him in of late).
EPT
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BeSt < Demon's Forest > 
Jaedong
FrOzean
Not with 5 terrans like yesterday. 
. I think/want Rock to take this 
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