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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3114 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-14 01:51:28
September 14 2025 01:50 GMT
#341
On September 14 2025 09:46 mtcn77 wrote:
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On September 14 2025 03:17 TMNT wrote:
On September 13 2025 15:31 mtcn77 wrote:
PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations.

What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight?

To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true.

Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack.

This is exactly what I (and everyone) said.

What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
September 14 2025 05:17 GMT
#342
Bisu!
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey650 Posts
September 14 2025 06:23 GMT
#343
On September 14 2025 10:50 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2025 09:46 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 14 2025 03:17 TMNT wrote:
On September 13 2025 15:31 mtcn77 wrote:
PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations.

What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight?

To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true.

Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack.

This is exactly what I (and everyone) said.

What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say.

But in the previous thread they didn't make a case that they don't know how Shuttle won vs Queen. You do. At that point you are no longer sharing the common sense, but arguing against it. Let's not forget you only do this to obfuscate the fact BTS wins because of this by calling him boring. When you got to remember he plays zerg, using your whole army is the biggest challenge, so rushes and all the dirty tactics are all fair game because you have an army that you cannot use efficiently at max supply.
PS: one wonders why you are so critical of zerg rising stars instead of those who lost their edge such as Queen, babying them by calling they threw the game when they lose. Winning by the slimmest margins is the thrill of Starcraft. Winning by a lot, BTS has nothing against him. GG!
Turrican
felleN
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia67 Posts
September 14 2025 06:45 GMT
#344
Best outcome possible for this group. I really enjoyed theses games.
I think a protoss player has a real chance of winning this season
"I am fucking godly at, like, fucking god. AHHHH" -combatEX
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey650 Posts
September 14 2025 06:57 GMT
#345
On September 14 2025 15:45 felleN wrote:
Best outcome possible for this group. I really enjoyed theses games.
I think a protoss player has a real chance of winning this season

Yeah, Best survived. The prince that was promised.
Turrican
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3114 Posts
September 14 2025 07:18 GMT
#346
On September 14 2025 15:23 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2025 10:50 TMNT wrote:
On September 14 2025 09:46 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 14 2025 03:17 TMNT wrote:
On September 13 2025 15:31 mtcn77 wrote:
PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations.

What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight?

To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true.

Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack.

This is exactly what I (and everyone) said.

What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say.

But in the previous thread they didn't make a case that they don't know how Shuttle won vs Queen. You do. At that point you are no longer sharing the common sense, but arguing against it. Let's not forget you only do this to obfuscate the fact BTS wins because of this by calling him boring. When you got to remember he plays zerg, using your whole army is the biggest challenge, so rushes and all the dirty tactics are all fair game because you have an army that you cannot use efficiently at max supply.
PS: one wonders why you are so critical of zerg rising stars instead of those who lost their edge such as Queen, babying them by calling they threw the game when they lose. Winning by the slimmest margins is the thrill of Starcraft. Winning by a lot, BTS has nothing against him. GG!

Honestly this dude can't even string 2 sentences together and make sense of them. If you want to make a conversation with someone, speak English (or human language). I give up.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7950 Posts
September 14 2025 08:20 GMT
#347
On September 14 2025 16:18 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2025 15:23 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 14 2025 10:50 TMNT wrote:
On September 14 2025 09:46 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 14 2025 03:17 TMNT wrote:
On September 13 2025 15:31 mtcn77 wrote:
PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations.

What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight?

To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true.

Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack.

This is exactly what I (and everyone) said.

What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say.

But in the previous thread they didn't make a case that they don't know how Shuttle won vs Queen. You do. At that point you are no longer sharing the common sense, but arguing against it. Let's not forget you only do this to obfuscate the fact BTS wins because of this by calling him boring. When you got to remember he plays zerg, using your whole army is the biggest challenge, so rushes and all the dirty tactics are all fair game because you have an army that you cannot use efficiently at max supply.
PS: one wonders why you are so critical of zerg rising stars instead of those who lost their edge such as Queen, babying them by calling they threw the game when they lose. Winning by the slimmest margins is the thrill of Starcraft. Winning by a lot, BTS has nothing against him. GG!

Honestly this dude can't even string 2 sentences together and make sense of them. If you want to make a conversation with someone, speak English (or human language). I give up.

Condolences we’ve all been there.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1968 Posts
September 14 2025 12:03 GMT
#348
On September 14 2025 16:18 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2025 15:23 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 14 2025 10:50 TMNT wrote:
On September 14 2025 09:46 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 14 2025 03:17 TMNT wrote:
On September 13 2025 15:31 mtcn77 wrote:
PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations.

What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight?

To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true.

Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack.

This is exactly what I (and everyone) said.

What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say.

But in the previous thread they didn't make a case that they don't know how Shuttle won vs Queen. You do. At that point you are no longer sharing the common sense, but arguing against it. Let's not forget you only do this to obfuscate the fact BTS wins because of this by calling him boring. When you got to remember he plays zerg, using your whole army is the biggest challenge, so rushes and all the dirty tactics are all fair game because you have an army that you cannot use efficiently at max supply.
PS: one wonders why you are so critical of zerg rising stars instead of those who lost their edge such as Queen, babying them by calling they threw the game when they lose. Winning by the slimmest margins is the thrill of Starcraft. Winning by a lot, BTS has nothing against him. GG!

Honestly this dude can't even string 2 sentences together and make sense of them. If you want to make a conversation with someone, speak English (or human language). I give up.


You tried your best. Some people are just living Dunning-Kruger peaks and there's no fighting it.
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-14 16:06:48
September 14 2025 16:01 GMT
#349
On September 10 2025 02:00 TMNT wrote:
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On September 10 2025 01:40 prion_ wrote:
On September 10 2025 00:03 TMNT wrote:
On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote:
i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle

*ZvP

The fact that BTS got that close to knocking out Best and Bisu by doing variations of the hydra bust (while showing terrible control in mid and late game) isn't enough evidence for you?


You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored.

Nah. That's just a disingenuous way to put it.

"When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are referring to the global ZvP win rate which has always been in favor of Zerg.

"When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are talking about some isolated incidents today (I'm talking about the BTS games) when the Protoss, who is 1 tier above the Zerg, could have lost because of the matchup design, and should have lost if the Zerg was at same tier skillwise, but still won because the Zerg made some baffling moves when he was leading.


You don't have any idea what the meta state of zvp is nowdays. Zergs are forced to to do hydra lurk and sometimes attack into P army because standard game is so hard on these maps with wide chokepoints. You cant line up your lurkers in defensive position like you can do on maps like poly/FS. Y'll think zergs can just do anything they want but they can't because maps give P good early game defensive set up while giving zergs nothing for their defensive set up in mid game. Hence why this kind of things happen. Zerg becomes desperate to gain something in early game/mid game which is why there's so much ling runbys or hydra busts. It really on protoss to defend it and once they get used to it this happens. Protoss starts winning because the ultimate final meta on these new maps is playing standard games and that's where it does not favor zergs. So funny to think people thought zergs would dominate but it was the protoss who eliminated these zergs and MTCN has a point where protoss can just 1a2a3a4a5a in one move while zerg has its units placed everywhere. Zerg's weakness is in lurkers being burrowed and needing to be unburrowed to deal with toss deathball and as i said, the widechoke point leads to extreme vulnerability... if you're in defensive positions on these maps you get easily flanked on one side and your lurkers die easily. This is why so many zergs try to attack into P army, hoping for a flank but they can't and it leads to such "crazy" errors by BTS.
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 15 2025 09:26 GMT
#350
Bisu looked pretty good in those games. That hidden gate by Best, we won't see that again in years.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
September 15 2025 14:13 GMT
#351
I was so scared, I thought Best messed up a few times and lost in ways he shouldn't have.

I am so glad he was able to bring it all together and come out winning!
nah
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
September 15 2025 15:04 GMT
#352
This was an insane group. Incredibly entertaining

Also Bisu's double stargate when it works just smashes zerg lol

Also Best clawing through the group to get out with especially with two incredible cheeses like who does gateway proxy on the base lmao there';s even that 3rd base canon rush lol

Double protoss on Ro8 for this group. Best really clutched here
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-15 15:10:44
September 15 2025 15:06 GMT
#353
True rebuilding muta again and again and refusing to go hive at the final game was not good. It allowed best to completely turtle exploit the hidden base gas and eventually overpower true despite being 1 base ahead since he was on 5 base

On September 14 2025 15:45 felleN wrote:
Best outcome possible for this group. I really enjoyed theses games.
I think a protoss player has a real chance of winning this season

Real chance? I'm almost certain Snow wins this ASL with Soulkey out

Like seriously it has been few seasons with only soulkey really stopping Snow. Then we even have two extra protoss. Protoss is probably favored for the the playoffs
this is a quote
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4230 Posts
September 15 2025 16:55 GMT
#354
Legend of The Fall alive and well

GGs!
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