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On May 28 2025 20:02 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 09:17 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 08:45 prion_ wrote:
It's funny that Protoss loses 3-4 in a very close final and the thread is like 10 pages of balance whining Always seems to be the way. Both Best and Snow the round before him aren’t exactly slouches, they’re not massively renowned for being absolute PvZ gods or specialists. And Soulkey is pretty fucking good in the matchup. Went down to the line in both and they were both pretty bloody good series. I’m much more of a noob with this game than some here, but I expected Soulkey to come through much more smoothly, and instead we got some pretty bloody close StarCraft, and overall this season of ASL has been great watching. Sad that neither Snow or Best got that elusive title sure, but some of the whine is mental to me. The balance whine is indeed mental considering half of the top 4 players are all protoss. It is like if protoss wins it is valid and if they dont it isnt. The mental part is that SK is obviously pretty good at the moment but people still keep ranting about protoss losing. Like do we not start counting stuff like Queen losing Best if that's the case
Now, the hard whiners that got zerg larva rate dropped in 1.04 would have you believe Best winning Ro4 vs Light was the original imbalance.
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On May 28 2025 19:55 goody153 wrote:
Great series although the final game was kinda a bummer. Was rooting for Best to win. As expected of SK tho
Speaking of expected this thread turned into balance whine apparently
yes.. so far probably this was the best ASL series so many good pvz,s. just people like TMNT always brings his mindset when any Zergs win anything doesnt matter better player or not just a reason for him talking about balance. Good old days when if someone won something they were praised. now: 
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On May 28 2025 20:02 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 09:17 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 08:45 prion_ wrote:
It's funny that Protoss loses 3-4 in a very close final and the thread is like 10 pages of balance whining Always seems to be the way. Both Best and Snow the round before him aren’t exactly slouches, they’re not massively renowned for being absolute PvZ gods or specialists. And Soulkey is pretty fucking good in the matchup. Went down to the line in both and they were both pretty bloody good series. I’m much more of a noob with this game than some here, but I expected Soulkey to come through much more smoothly, and instead we got some pretty bloody close StarCraft, and overall this season of ASL has been great watching. Sad that neither Snow or Best got that elusive title sure, but some of the whine is mental to me. The balance whine is indeed mental considering half of the top 4 players are all protoss. It is like if protoss wins it is valid and if they dont it isnt. The mental part is that SK is obviously pretty good at the moment but people still keep ranting about protoss losing. Like do we not start counting stuff like Queen losing Best if that's the case
The margins be that thin, brackets alone could change quite a bit. Which I think is pretty indicative of a healthy game. Very, very few players are equally good at all matchups at the real elite level.
Which I think is cool. Even these guys can’t master everything. But I think it makes making sweeping balance observations around tournament winners that little less valid.
Soulkey is obviously the guy in recent times, taking nothing away there. But if he got ZvZed out relatively early, and say Snow got to PvT his way to glory, Toss fans get that champion but the balance is still the same.
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On May 28 2025 20:02 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 09:17 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 08:45 prion_ wrote:
It's funny that Protoss loses 3-4 in a very close final and the thread is like 10 pages of balance whining Always seems to be the way. Both Best and Snow the round before him aren’t exactly slouches, they’re not massively renowned for being absolute PvZ gods or specialists. And Soulkey is pretty fucking good in the matchup. Went down to the line in both and they were both pretty bloody good series. I’m much more of a noob with this game than some here, but I expected Soulkey to come through much more smoothly, and instead we got some pretty bloody close StarCraft, and overall this season of ASL has been great watching. Sad that neither Snow or Best got that elusive title sure, but some of the whine is mental to me. The balance whine is indeed mental considering half of the top 4 players are all protoss. It is like if protoss wins it is valid and if they dont it isnt. The mental part is that SK is obviously pretty good at the moment but people still keep ranting about protoss losing. Like do we not start counting stuff like Queen losing Best if that's the case
Because the "whining" is not based on the results of 1-2 series or seasons, obviously. If someone whines about that, they are wrong. Plus short term race distribution means almost nothing when it comes to 1 matchup balance. Last season Rain and Snow entered Ro4 playing none PvZ from Ro16, for example.
All discussion must be on the point, but on forums like this it's just all over the place. If one disagrees with someone's points, one should provide counterpoints (or just stay silent if one doesn't want to engage in a debate), instead of complaining about the other posters with words along the line of "I dont like your post", or "You know nothing", or "what's your rank on ladder" or "you are stupid" etc. see our friend sziky above for example.
Back to the point, people whine about PvZ because (a) results over 20 years or so consistently point to Protoss underpeforming vs Zerg, and (b) from a gameplay point of view, there are a few issues that lead to (a). Then (a) and (b) lead us to (c) Protoss losing to Zerg in finals much more than the opposite. So it's a systematic issue, not some isolated incidents.
I made a post analysing the Snow vs Soulkey game on Eclipse in the semi to demonstrate how the PvZ gameplay is unfair for Protoss. Basically, Zerg has to commit an unforced error for Protoss to even have a chance to win (in that specific situation). No one can argue against. Instead just focus on how P has 2 representatives in Ro4 yeah.
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On May 29 2025 02:38 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2025 20:02 goody153 wrote:On May 27 2025 09:17 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 08:45 prion_ wrote:
It's funny that Protoss loses 3-4 in a very close final and the thread is like 10 pages of balance whining Always seems to be the way. Both Best and Snow the round before him aren’t exactly slouches, they’re not massively renowned for being absolute PvZ gods or specialists. And Soulkey is pretty fucking good in the matchup. Went down to the line in both and they were both pretty bloody good series. I’m much more of a noob with this game than some here, but I expected Soulkey to come through much more smoothly, and instead we got some pretty bloody close StarCraft, and overall this season of ASL has been great watching. Sad that neither Snow or Best got that elusive title sure, but some of the whine is mental to me. The balance whine is indeed mental considering half of the top 4 players are all protoss. It is like if protoss wins it is valid and if they dont it isnt. The mental part is that SK is obviously pretty good at the moment but people still keep ranting about protoss losing. Like do we not start counting stuff like Queen losing Best if that's the case I made a post analysing the Snow vs Soulkey game on Eclipse in the semi to demonstrate how the PvZ gameplay is unfair for Protoss. Basically, Zerg has to commit an unforced error for Protoss to even have a chance to win (in that specific situation). No one can argue against. Instead just focus on how P has 2 representatives in Ro4 yeah.
Man i went to check your Analysis and shit started with.
Hydra is the most broken. LOL
Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. But what do you do for protoss. And looking at the issues and being dark and all that shit. You can basically do that with every single race. Every high player will tell you from their point of view the difficulties that they are facing when playing exact matchup. Obviously you dont give two fcks cuz first of all your game knowledge is not that great So i will excuse that part. And the other is that your cherry pick like a mf. The other day i saw one that made me laugh. You said SK is not worth considered a Bonjwa cuz of the kespa era and blablabla. BTW i Agreed with that totally. But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc.
Common man. Atleast be consistent.
Also respect Sziky the Goat man. That guy is a legend. That goes for RJ too.
BROTHER DT doesnt give an alert when is killing your drones. And that is not even in my top 10 of the most imba things you can find in Protoss.
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On May 29 2025 02:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man i went to check your Analysis and shit started with.
Hydra is the most broken. LOL
Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. But what do you do for protoss. And looking at the issues and being dark and all that shit. You can basically do that with every single race. Every high player will tell you from their point of view the difficulties that they are facing when playing exact matchup. Obviously you dont give two fcks cuz first of all your game knowledge is not that great So i will excuse that part. And the other is that your cherry pick like a mf. The other day i saw one that made me laugh. You said SK is not worth considered a Bonjwa cuz of the kespa era and blablabla. BTW i Agreed with that totally. But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc.
Common man. Atleast be consistent.
Also respect Sziky the Goat man. That guy is a legend. That goes for RJ too.
BROTHER DT doesnt give an alert when is killing your drones. And that is not even in my top 10 of the most imba things you can find in Protoss.
You act like a spoiled brat. You and Sziky. I don't respect any of you as forum posters, or as a human being for that matter. Let that be clear. Just like many don't respect Artosis the streamer. Act civilized and get respected.
First of all, get your fact straight. I have never said this:
But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc.
There's a thread a while ago, that I remember Magic Powers said something close to that, but not even that. I probably would say, or agree, with the opinion that Snow has the best PvT ever, which many people share, including Tastosis. So it's not controversial or inconsistent at all. As for highest peak ever, probably it was RJBTV who said Snow has the highest elo peak ever, which is just a matter of fact. So for you to cite misinformation and act like that, I think I deserve an apology.
Also stop with this kind of argument. Do I really need to educate you guys:
Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument.
Okay my skill could be low, because I have 50 apm, can't split workers for shit, and have the attention span of a gold fish. I could play a PvZ get first scout and not be able to identify a 9 Pool. But if I watch the game I can see the Pool being built at 9 Drone okay? And I know that in that situation P is supposed to build 2 cannons to be completely safe, or 1 and do some probe block if he is greedy but it's not recommended, or has to micro zealot and probes like a mad man if he wants to block that with GFE. I would probably fuck that all up if I play, but I have enough understanding of the game from an observer point of view to know what has to be done in this or that situation. How do you think coaches exist in every sport or esport? Or should every athlete uses your argument and shits on their coachs? So stop with that shit already.
Oh and btw, the last argument, you lost and ran away. Kind of appeal to authority fallacy, but every pro agreed with me (citation: jinjin's video). FlashFTW agreed with me (and just for disagreeing with you, he received personal attack from you, real class there eon). It's really absurd that you are still pretending you're on high horse regarding that debate. Max level delusion.
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On May 29 2025 02:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2025 02:38 TMNT wrote:On May 28 2025 20:02 goody153 wrote:On May 27 2025 09:17 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 08:45 prion_ wrote:
It's funny that Protoss loses 3-4 in a very close final and the thread is like 10 pages of balance whining Always seems to be the way. Both Best and Snow the round before him aren’t exactly slouches, they’re not massively renowned for being absolute PvZ gods or specialists. And Soulkey is pretty fucking good in the matchup. Went down to the line in both and they were both pretty bloody good series. I’m much more of a noob with this game than some here, but I expected Soulkey to come through much more smoothly, and instead we got some pretty bloody close StarCraft, and overall this season of ASL has been great watching. Sad that neither Snow or Best got that elusive title sure, but some of the whine is mental to me. The balance whine is indeed mental considering half of the top 4 players are all protoss. It is like if protoss wins it is valid and if they dont it isnt. The mental part is that SK is obviously pretty good at the moment but people still keep ranting about protoss losing. Like do we not start counting stuff like Queen losing Best if that's the case I made a post analysing the Snow vs Soulkey game on Eclipse in the semi to demonstrate how the PvZ gameplay is unfair for Protoss. Basically, Zerg has to commit an unforced error for Protoss to even have a chance to win (in that specific situation). No one can argue against. Instead just focus on how P has 2 representatives in Ro4 yeah. Man i went to check your Analysis and shit started with. Hydra is the most broken. LOL Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. But what do you do for protoss. And looking at the issues and being dark and all that shit. You can basically do that with every single race. Every high player will tell you from their point of view the difficulties that they are facing when playing exact matchup. Obviously you dont give two fcks cuz first of all your game knowledge is not that great So i will excuse that part. And the other is that your cherry pick like a mf. The other day i saw one that made me laugh. You said SK is not worth considered a Bonjwa cuz of the kespa era and blablabla. BTW i Agreed with that totally. But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc. Common man. Atleast be consistent. Also respect Sziky the Goat man. That guy is a legend. That goes for RJ too. BROTHER DT doesnt give an alert when is killing your drones. And that is not even in my top 10 of the most imba things you can find in Protoss.
leave him man, unfortunlety he doesnt even respect Pro's players at least Zerg players. When he says things '' won because the match up broken and etc '' And rotating things how as he likes like '' i am idiot '' instead ''idiot things'' and just run away when He busted like under the last Chinese post few months ago.
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On May 29 2025 04:12 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2025 02:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man i went to check your Analysis and shit started with.
Hydra is the most broken. LOL
Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. But what do you do for protoss. And looking at the issues and being dark and all that shit. You can basically do that with every single race. Every high player will tell you from their point of view the difficulties that they are facing when playing exact matchup. Obviously you dont give two fcks cuz first of all your game knowledge is not that great So i will excuse that part. And the other is that your cherry pick like a mf. The other day i saw one that made me laugh. You said SK is not worth considered a Bonjwa cuz of the kespa era and blablabla. BTW i Agreed with that totally. But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc.
Common man. Atleast be consistent.
Also respect Sziky the Goat man. That guy is a legend. That goes for RJ too.
BROTHER DT doesnt give an alert when is killing your drones. And that is not even in my top 10 of the most imba things you can find in Protoss. You act like a spoiled brat. You and Sziky. I don't respect any of you as forum posters, or as a human being for that matter. Let that be clear. Just like many don't respect Artosis the streamer. Act civilized and get respected. First of all, get your fact straight. I have never said this: Show nested quote +But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc. There's a thread a while ago, that I remember Magic Powers said something close to that, but not even that. I probably would say, or agree, with the opinion that Snow has the best PvT ever, which many people share, including Tastosis. So it's not controversial or inconsistent at all. As for highest peak ever, probably it was RJBTV who said Snow has the highest elo peak ever, which is just a matter of fact. So for you to cite misinformation and act like that, I think I deserve an apology. Also stop with this kind of argument. Do I really need to educate you guys: Show nested quote +Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. Okay my skill could be low, because I have 50 apm, can't split workers for shit, and have the attention span of a gold fish. I could play a PvZ get first scout and not be able to identify a 9 Pool. But if I watch the game I can see the Pool being built at 9 Drone okay? And I know that in that situation P is supposed to build 2 cannons to be completely safe, or 1 and do some probe block if he is greedy but it's not recommended, or has to micro zealot and probes like a mad man if he wants to block that with GFE. I would probably fuck that all up if I play, but I have enough understanding of the game from an observer point of view to know what has to be done in this or that situation. How do you think coaches exist in every sport or esport? Or should every athlete uses your argument and shits on their coachs? So stop with that shit already. Oh and btw, the last argument, you lost and ran away. Kind of appeal to authority fallacy, but every pro agreed with me (citation: jinjin's video). FlashFTW agreed with me (and just for disagreeing with you, he received personal attack from you, real class there eon). It's really absurd that you are still pretending you're on high horse regarding that debate. Max level delusion.
Brother you literally said that snow was the highest peak ever in PvT then u back pedaled on that shit. Dont put RJ under the Bus he doesnt have anything to do with it LMAO.
And i cant care less that you believe that or you dont. I just say be consistent. Im not asking for too much.
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Btw about the other thread. Is really unfortunate we cant recreate that situation with Zero having a +2 attack.
I remember you saying that Zero threw the game lol. You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^ Damn bro. Protoss can hit hard afterall. Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over. Well By your words zero threw that game in 40 seconds cuz Protoss actually made the attack right before the +2 attack upgrade was ready. Wow
https://vod.sooplive.co.kr/player/151028815?change_second=24167
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Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?
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On May 29 2025 04:12 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2025 02:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man i went to check your Analysis and shit started with.
Hydra is the most broken. LOL
Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. But what do you do for protoss. And looking at the issues and being dark and all that shit. You can basically do that with every single race. Every high player will tell you from their point of view the difficulties that they are facing when playing exact matchup. Obviously you dont give two fcks cuz first of all your game knowledge is not that great So i will excuse that part. And the other is that your cherry pick like a mf. The other day i saw one that made me laugh. You said SK is not worth considered a Bonjwa cuz of the kespa era and blablabla. BTW i Agreed with that totally. But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc.
Common man. Atleast be consistent.
Also respect Sziky the Goat man. That guy is a legend. That goes for RJ too.
BROTHER DT doesnt give an alert when is killing your drones. And that is not even in my top 10 of the most imba things you can find in Protoss. You act like a spoiled brat. You and Sziky. I don't respect any of you as forum posters, or as a human being for that matter. Let that be clear. Just like many don't respect Artosis the streamer. Act civilized and get respected. First of all, get your fact straight. I have never said this: Show nested quote +But I remember you arguing that SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO. Or the highest Peak ever. Some shit like that. ANd u brought all those online proleague scores etc. There's a thread a while ago, that I remember Magic Powers said something close to that, but not even that. I probably would say, or agree, with the opinion that Snow has the best PvT ever, which many people share, including Tastosis. So it's not controversial or inconsistent at all. As for highest peak ever, probably it was RJBTV who said Snow has the highest elo peak ever, which is just a matter of fact. So for you to cite misinformation and act like that, I think I deserve an apology. Also stop with this kind of argument. Do I really need to educate you guys: Show nested quote +Your skill is so low that i honestly stopped caring after our last argument. Okay my skill could be low, because I have 50 apm, can't split workers for shit, and have the attention span of a gold fish. I could play a PvZ get first scout and not be able to identify a 9 Pool. But if I watch the game I can see the Pool being built at 9 Drone okay? And I know that in that situation P is supposed to build 2 cannons to be completely safe, or 1 and do some probe block if he is greedy but it's not recommended, or has to micro zealot and probes like a mad man if he wants to block that with GFE. I would probably fuck that all up if I play, but I have enough understanding of the game from an observer point of view to know what has to be done in this or that situation. How do you think coaches exist in every sport or esport? Or should every athlete uses your argument and shits on their coachs? So stop with that shit already. Oh and btw, the last argument, you lost and ran away. Kind of appeal to authority fallacy, but every pro agreed with me (citation: jinjin's video). FlashFTW agreed with me (and just for disagreeing with you, he received personal attack from you, real class there eon). It's really absurd that you are still pretending you're on high horse regarding that debate. Max level delusion.
Do I need to be a good guitar player to recognise a good guitar player? As it turns out I’m pretty good at guitar, which, on a purely technical level lets me assess others. Not the soul of music, but pure technique
There’s shit some players can do, I can’t even comprehend how I’d ever do it. Shawn Lane. If you gave me a fuckload of money and just set me to grind, I could, IMO do what most players can do, with time. Some of what he can do, no. Not in this lifetime, not in another.
Better players than me will say he’s not that good. They’re talking shite.
Skill at an activity doesn’t necessarily translate 1:1 to an ability to assess it.
Ruby’s fucking good at StarCraft, but his balance whine is just as nonsensical as some newbie who doesn’t know how the game works yet.
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On May 29 2025 05:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Brother you literally said that snow was the highest peak ever in PvT then u back pedaled on that shit. Dont put RJ under the Bus he doesnt have anything to do with it LMAO. And i cant care less that you believe that or you dont. I just say be consistent. Im not asking for too much.
Ugh... did you get hit in the head by a football or something?
Yes, I said in that screenshot that "his level right now (2023) is peak PvT in history".
And I just said above that "I probably would say, or agree, with the opinion that Snow has the best PvT ever".
And the two above statements are not unpopular.
What you accused me of saying is " SNOW WAS THE BEST PROTOSS EVER LMAO"
Ugh... are you able to read?
Next, you accused me of being inconsistent, while I also wrote about Soulkey is
Best we can give him is best player of Afreeca era, with an asterisk (because Flash is missing)
Best player of the Afreeca era. What more do you want for consistency lol?
By the way, that's not even the definition of consistency. I could even hold the opinion that Snow is the best Protoss ever (no he isn't, it's Bisu) while at the same time think that Soulkey is not even the best Zerg of the Afreeca era, and still it has nothing to do with consistency. It's called opinion/preference you illiterate.
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On May 29 2025 05:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Btw about the other thread. Is really unfortunate we cant recreate that situation with Zero having a +2 attack. I remember you saying that Zero threw the game lol. You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^ Damn bro. Protoss can hit hard afterall. Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over. Well By your words zero threw that game in 40 seconds cuz Protoss actually made the attack right before the +2 attack upgrade was ready. Wow https://vod.sooplive.co.kr/player/151028815?change_second=24167
What is "lol" about saying that Queen threw that game?
Many people in that thread said the same thing.
Jinjin said the same thing.
Korean fans watching that game said the same thing.
Fucking teammates of Queen and Shuttle, including JD said the same thing.
You're like the only one who doesn't say so. It's really disturbing that you're still acting like you're right and I am the ONLY one who says so because "your skill is so low". Well I guess Major Proleague players skill are low too. Only EonZerg's high enough to read that game. I give up.
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Oh and by the way, our top foreign Zerg here thinks this is a concept that should be made fun of:
You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^
40 seconds, everybody. 40 secs in BW.
Never mind 40s, I'll give you 4s: hold position Lurkers, Templar snipe, legendary spider mines , vultures in undefended base... please chip in with examples everyone.
Speaks like a noob.
Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over
Don't remember saying this btw. Citation please ? Or is it another made up "Snow is the best Protoss ever" of yours?
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On May 29 2025 06:35 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2025 05:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Btw about the other thread. Is really unfortunate we cant recreate that situation with Zero having a +2 attack. I remember you saying that Zero threw the game lol. You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^ Damn bro. Protoss can hit hard afterall. Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over. Well By your words zero threw that game in 40 seconds cuz Protoss actually made the attack right before the +2 attack upgrade was ready. Wow https://vod.sooplive.co.kr/player/151028815?change_second=24167 What is "lol" about saying that Queen threw that game? Many people in that thread said the same thing. Jinjin said the same thing. Korean fans watching that game said the same thing. Fucking teammates of Queen and Shuttle, including JD said the same thing. You're like the only one who doesn't say so. It's really disturbing that you're still acting like you're right and I am the ONLY one who says so because "your skill is so low". Well I guess Major Proleague players skill are low too. Only EonZerg's high enough to read that game. I give up.
Ask jinjin to translate any Ace of proleagues and you will be suprised how close the translations will be to that.
I mean the way you say Zero threw the game you would think he just used all his units and put them on stop while Shuttle killed him. This is the part im not confortable talking about cuz your skill doesnt allow for it. But at this point we running in circles.
To me a guy with a massive Army like u claimed BTW. Zero is Ahead in supply and 4 expansions etc etc.You wouldnt think he could die in 40 seconds. But well i will excuse you for that one.
Let me give you an example btw. When Soulkey killed Best forge in the last game of the series without the +1 finishing. Jaedong instantly said game was over lol. Im not sure if foreigner casters did it honestly i should check it. Or even people in this thread. Now i have to say that killing that forge is actually insane cuz your zealots all of sudden cant really put force into your hydras. But calling the game over isnt an exageration ? Progamers tend to do stuff like that over the games all the time. Sometimes i think they are exagerating.
Honestly im pretty bad at picking examples cuz sniping that +1 attack is actually game diciding factor lol.
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Oh okay, so when we said Queen threw that game it's because we didn't know shit and our skills are so low.
But when JD or pros said it, they didn't mean it, they were just exaggerating.
Where's your consistency now Eon? And why can't it be that we are exaggerating because we are just nobody posting on a dead forum (see, exaggeration, right there) and it is JD who talks shite?
Stop it Eon. Now you're putting words into progamers mouth.
I mean the way you say Zero threw the game you would think he just used all his units and put them on stop while Shuttle killed him. This is the part im not confortable talking about cuz your skill doesnt allow for it. But at this point we running in circles.
And this is putting words into my mouth. I said Queen had a massive lead, he threw the game by having army out of position and executing the fight wrong. That's literally the words I used. What you described above is just something you just made up and decided that I said so lol.
It's pathetic your strategy the entire time. You literally just make something up, attribute it to me, and conclude by saying because my skill is so low that I said those things. Do you have some dignity eon?
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On May 29 2025 07:12 TMNT wrote:Oh okay, so when we said Queen threw that game it's because we didn't know shit and our skills are so low. But when JD or pros said it, they didn't mean it, they were just exaggerating. Where's your consistency now Eon? And why can't it be that we are exaggerating because we are just nobody posting on a dead forum (see, exaggeration, right there) and it is JD who talks shite? Stop it Eon. Now you're putting words into progamers mouth. Show nested quote +I mean the way you say Zero threw the game you would think he just used all his units and put them on stop while Shuttle killed him. This is the part im not confortable talking about cuz your skill doesnt allow for it. But at this point we running in circles. And this is putting words into my mouth. I said Queen had a massive lead, he threw the game by having army out of position and executing the fight wrong. That's literally the words I used. What you described above is just something you just made up and decided that I said so lol. It's pathetic your strategy the entire time. You literally just make something up, attribute it to me, and conclude by saying because my skill is so low that I said those things. Do you have some dignity eon?
Shit man that best protoss ever was in 2023. But you are cherry picking like usual. I said Best protoss ever or highest peak ever. Well turn out the right one was Highest PvT peak ever. My bad.
I really dont know what to tell you about that game. I think everything is said about that one no ? I even brought zero Fpvod to see from his side exactly whats going on and i explained how hard was for him in those 40 seconds to decide.
I cant help but repeat that Zero Army that you say is out of position is not actually as bad . Cuz he is coming from multiple sides to attack the Dragoons. That mr TMMT is a good thing. Believe me or not. But like i said we running in circles. Go check how you talk about 1 gate openings and all that blablabla that protoss is risking it all while doing it. Best not doing 1 gate in the final is a good thing in my eyes cuz nerves could have been an issue to make that work. But 1 gate is a build he does often in proleagues and Ultimates wathever.
Idk i think there is nothing more to say. ggs
Is Silly to be talking about this old stuff.Dont remember even my own words from 2023.
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On May 29 2025 07:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I cant help but repeat that Zero Army that you say is out of position is not actually as bad . Cuz he is coming from multiple sides to attack the Dragoons. That mr TMMT is a good thing. Believe me or not.
Hah. So this is how you rationalize my "very low skill" huh?
"This guy doesn't know that flanking from multiple angles and having good surface area is a good thing"
Guess what Eon? Not if your second flank arrives 20s late and your third flank arrives 25s late to the fight because they are... out of position. Dont tell me you "forget" how it happened because you just dug up the VOD for me. Like, how disingenuous can you be?
Go check how you talk about 1 gate openings and all that blablabla that protoss is risking it all while doing it. Best not doing 1 gate in the final is a good thing in my eyes cuz nerves could have been an issue to make that work. But 1 gate is a build he does often in proleagues and Ultimates wathever.
Someone said GFE is the best opener. I tried to explain that it is just another option to FFE, basically higher reward but higher risk and Best didn't do it because he wasn't confident in his skill vs Soulkey. There's nothing wrong or controversial about what I said there that I don't even know how you can interpreted it as blahblah something as if I was talking shite.
It is very clear that you have such a strong Zerg bias plus hatred towards me that any normal thing I say would become Zerg-offensive to you that you have to react to it in an irrational and toxic way. Just cut it off .
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came to fight, but ...
just keep going bois
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On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?
It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.
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Has Best ever talked about why he doesn't like to build reavers in late game PvZ?
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