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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3381 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 13:22:21
May 29 2025 13:17 GMT
#761
On May 29 2025 21:54 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 21:25 TMNT wrote:
On May 29 2025 19:48 mtcn77 wrote:
I'm not the one challenging results calling for SC2 patches

Neither am I.

Btw, the 'Korean pros opinion' refers to the debate between me and eon about the Shuttle vs Queen game, whether Queen was ahead and threw the game or not. It's not their opinions on PvZ in general or Best vs Soulkey finals lol.

You are really cherrypicking. You cannot keep me out of that debate, nor can you trust pro views on Shuttle vs Queen game and not ask why their SK Best prediction went horribly wrong. I can snapshot the start of the finals to prove a point pros don't always get it right and we can have debate on anything they say. It was some wild 8:1 9:1 guess Best would win. Alas, I stick to facts and expect you to hold yourself to the same standard.

Dude. One thing is a prediction before a Bo7 happens. The other thing is a post-game assessment of 1 single game. Are you saying they're the same thing?

Also according your retarded logic, we literally can't trust anything pros say. Anything. Since they get predictions wrong all the time.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
May 29 2025 13:52 GMT
#762
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
May 29 2025 14:01 GMT
#763
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.

Don't throw in the towel yet. Gaslight some more. In the end you will see Shuttle in the hall of fame. I mean what is the difference between Shuttle and Boxer who had on and off periods and had tremendous resurgences in their careers? What do you call Starcraft? Personally I hate to see a player cut a corner and win. In fact, when a player takes a concept everyone does, but better - that is prime Starcraft to me. You could argue for days Queen lost to Shuttle; so did Flash. That does not make it a fluke as well. Shuttle is a hero, still. I like it that way. Have fun crying wolf. Shuttle won fair and square and until all of you can commemorate the day he did, we won't have constructive arguments on the subject, instead of troll devolutions of what would have been. Starcraft doesn't take hyperboly of that kind lightly, I'm afraid. You will be totally shellshocked. In fact, that one victory Shuttle scored might have postponed Flash's return this season.
Turrican
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3290 Posts
May 29 2025 14:07 GMT
#764
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.


He doesn't seem capable of maintaining a coherent thought for more than two consecutive sentences, might not be intentional.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
May 29 2025 14:13 GMT
#765
On May 29 2025 23:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.


He doesn't seem capable of maintaining a coherent thought for more than two consecutive sentences, might not be intentional.

Or I watch more Starcraft and you don't.
Turrican
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
May 29 2025 14:21 GMT
#766
On May 29 2025 23:01 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.

Don't throw in the towel yet. Gaslight some more. In the end you will see Shuttle in the hall of fame. I mean what is the difference between Shuttle and Boxer who had on and off periods and had tremendous resurgences in their careers? What do you call Starcraft? Personally I hate to see a player cut a corner and win. In fact, when a player takes a concept everyone does, but better - that is prime Starcraft to me. You could argue for days Queen lost to Shuttle; so did Flash. That does not make it a fluke as well. Shuttle is a hero, still. I like it that way. Have fun crying wolf. Shuttle won fair and square and until all of you can commemorate the day he did, we won't have constructive arguments on the subject, instead of troll devolutions of what would have been. Starcraft doesn't take hyperboly of that kind lightly, I'm afraid. You will be totally shellshocked. In fact, that one victory Shuttle scored might have postponed Flash's return this season.

Respect to Shuttle for his accomplishments, but hall of famer?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 14:46:04
May 29 2025 14:36 GMT
#767
On May 29 2025 06:46 TMNT wrote:
Oh and by the way, our top foreign Zerg here thinks this is a concept that should be made fun of:
Show nested quote +
You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^

40 seconds, everybody. 40 secs in BW.
Never mind 40s, I'll give you 4s: hold position Lurkers, Templar snipe, legendary spider mines , vultures in undefended base... please chip in with examples everyone.

Speaks like a noob.

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Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over

Don't remember saying this btw. Citation please ? Or is it another made up "Snow is the best Protoss ever" of yours?


SnOw is the best protoss ever. But also the one protoss without premier wins. Best =/= most accomplished. Anyone can quote me on that whenever they want because I consider it an objective fact based on largely the online but also the offline results from the past two years. Soulkey is just standing in his way and stealing his spotlight. No other player has managed to match Soulkey as well as SnOw has, except Light coming close to it. Most competition happens online, so I think we should put more focua on online performance to determine our power rankings and such.

Look at Barry Sanders in the NFL. Arguably best running back ever, but no championships. Not even conference win iirc.
JDON MY SOUL!
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 14:41:28
May 29 2025 14:38 GMT
#768
On May 29 2025 23:21 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 23:01 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.

Don't throw in the towel yet. Gaslight some more. In the end you will see Shuttle in the hall of fame. I mean what is the difference between Shuttle and Boxer who had on and off periods and had tremendous resurgences in their careers? What do you call Starcraft? Personally I hate to see a player cut a corner and win. In fact, when a player takes a concept everyone does, but better - that is prime Starcraft to me. You could argue for days Queen lost to Shuttle; so did Flash. That does not make it a fluke as well. Shuttle is a hero, still. I like it that way. Have fun crying wolf. Shuttle won fair and square and until all of you can commemorate the day he did, we won't have constructive arguments on the subject, instead of troll devolutions of what would have been. Starcraft doesn't take hyperboly of that kind lightly, I'm afraid. You will be totally shellshocked. In fact, that one victory Shuttle scored might have postponed Flash's return this season.

Respect to Shuttle for his accomplishments, but hall of famer?

I'll concede on any point, but ASL = HoF. That is my nonnegotiable benchmark. There is no other accomplishment as revered as winning a GF. True, some of you look down on Shuttle, but Stork and Bisu are not far off being totally game breaking in the past. Shuttle still has that charisma. People like Flash, like it or not, make it a stepping stone to return to the limelight. Please don't ask me to post the game in order to roll back to when Flash was thinking about joining this season, but got coldfeet afterwards. That is the biggest accomplishment of Shuttle this season. He is such a big talker, should you lose to him, the fault rests entirely on yourself that you put your name on the line.
Turrican
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7172 Posts
May 29 2025 14:41 GMT
#769
On May 29 2025 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 06:46 TMNT wrote:
Oh and by the way, our top foreign Zerg here thinks this is a concept that should be made fun of:
You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^

40 seconds, everybody. 40 secs in BW.
Never mind 40s, I'll give you 4s: hold position Lurkers, Templar snipe, legendary spider mines , vultures in undefended base... please chip in with examples everyone.

Speaks like a noob.

Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over

Don't remember saying this btw. Citation please ? Or is it another made up "Snow is the best Protoss ever" of yours?


SnOw is the best protoss ever. But also the one protoss without premier wins. Best =/= most accomplished. Anyone can quote me on that whenever they want because I consider it an objective fact based on largely the online but also the offline results from the past two years. Soulkey is just standing in his way and stealing his spotlight. No other player has managed to match Soulkey as well as SnOw has, except Light coming close to it. Most competition happens online, so I think we should put more focua on online performance to determine our power rankings and such.

Shame on you RJ ^^

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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3381 Posts
May 29 2025 14:43 GMT
#770
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.

To be fair to him all the Ro16 players did predict that Beat would win the finals. The predictions were shown during the finals.

But what mtcn can't comprehend, or maybe he's just trolling, is that predictions don't mean they think Best > Soulkey. It probably means they, like many fans, want to see Best win his first title and are tired of Soulkey winning everything.

mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 15:00:36
May 29 2025 14:53 GMT
#771
On May 29 2025 23:43 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
On May 29 2025 21:06 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 20:00 LightSpectra wrote:
On May 29 2025 11:56 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote:
Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?

It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results.
If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.


Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.

I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.

All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.


Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.

To be fair to him all the Ro16 players did predict that Beat would win the finals. The predictions were shown during the finals.

But what mtcn can't comprehend, or maybe he's just trolling, is that predictions don't mean they think Best > Soulkey. It probably means they, like many fans, want to see Best win his first title and are tired of Soulkey winning everything.


No, what you have to understand is where the line of predictions end and where convictions begin. All players have to have conviction to win. That is what I call shellshock. The lower rank your opponent that you got beat, the harder your self conviction will take a hit. Let's not ruin this season's ASL by breaking down the moments, but we both know players do give up, but SK don't. That comes from not losing to a lower tier player. If you lose, you start questioning things, your mind does that for you. That is emotional intelligence, it works slower, but it sets a timeline.
PS: this happened in reverse, too. In a past asl a landslide guess for a player got reverse sweeped in the actual games.
Sometimes people achieve tremendous feats. Just when they don't feel guilt due to, like, losing when they should be winning. If they know they are the underdog and still play, they zone out and actually enter a zone like Jaedong sometimes did against Flash(I'm not saying he is underdog, they just look like Jaedong when they play without fear). That is a huge relief if they don't see the act of winning on the horizon. EQ still takes time to adapt but they skip the selfdoubt and put a game so far off, the second time they cannot repeat it due to self reflection.
Turrican
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7172 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 15:03:07
May 29 2025 14:57 GMT
#772
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3381 Posts
May 29 2025 15:01 GMT
#773
This guy's vocabulary is actually quite impressive for someone who mixed up "giving up" with "throwing" a game, and sometimes writes grammatically incorrect or confusing sentences. Also a master at changing the subject and rambling about something unrelated. It's really hard to keep up with his thoughts (not that you should try).
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
May 29 2025 15:03 GMT
#774
On May 30 2025 00:01 TMNT wrote:
This guy's vocabulary is actually quite impressive for someone who mixed up "giving up" with "throwing" a game, and sometimes writes grammatically incorrect or confusing sentences. Also a master at changing the subject and rambling about something unrelated. It's really hard to keep up with his thoughts (not that you should try).

I watched ZvP from 2005. I did nothing else. I don't understand Protoss, I never understood Terran. But give me a sweet macro ZvP and I remember it. That is the EQ as I mean it.
Turrican
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7172 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 15:06:15
May 29 2025 15:05 GMT
#775
On May 30 2025 00:03 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2025 00:01 TMNT wrote:
This guy's vocabulary is actually quite impressive for someone who mixed up "giving up" with "throwing" a game, and sometimes writes grammatically incorrect or confusing sentences. Also a master at changing the subject and rambling about something unrelated. It's really hard to keep up with his thoughts (not that you should try).

I watched ZvP from 2005. I did nothing else. I don't understand Protoss, I never understood Terran. But give me a sweet macro ZvP and I remember it. That is the EQ as I mean it.

Brother but calling Shuttle hall of fame is crazy tho you gotta admit that LOL. That shit made me laugh tho. good one LMAO
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 15:06:41
May 29 2025 15:06 GMT
#776
Can someone shadowban these five people who keep having the same pointless Protoss discussions for months in each thread? Its like three LLMs in a conference call.

I don't even know what they're arguing or who's on the same side.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey729 Posts
May 29 2025 15:09 GMT
#777
On May 30 2025 00:05 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2025 00:03 mtcn77 wrote:
On May 30 2025 00:01 TMNT wrote:
This guy's vocabulary is actually quite impressive for someone who mixed up "giving up" with "throwing" a game, and sometimes writes grammatically incorrect or confusing sentences. Also a master at changing the subject and rambling about something unrelated. It's really hard to keep up with his thoughts (not that you should try).

I watched ZvP from 2005. I did nothing else. I don't understand Protoss, I never understood Terran. But give me a sweet macro ZvP and I remember it. That is the EQ as I mean it.

Brother but calling Shuttle hall of hame is crazy tho you gotta admit that LOL. That shit made me laugh tho. good one LMAO

No no, in his mind he is as crazy as I am when he still believes he won that title and win this game, too. That is the crazy part when Flash loses because it got real. This season every jinjin5000 game of Shuttle is, I don't know about you but, 4peet level incredible.
Turrican
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1733 Posts
May 29 2025 16:23 GMT
#778
On May 30 2025 00:06 Navane wrote:
Can someone shadowban these five people who keep having the same pointless Protoss discussions for months in each thread? Its like three LLMs in a conference call.

I don't even know what they're arguing or who's on the same side.

Agreed, deeply tedious.
EleGant[AoV]
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 18:26:15
May 29 2025 17:58 GMT
#779
On May 29 2025 23:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:46 TMNT wrote:
Oh and by the way, our top foreign Zerg here thinks this is a concept that should be made fun of:
You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^

40 seconds, everybody. 40 secs in BW.
Never mind 40s, I'll give you 4s: hold position Lurkers, Templar snipe, legendary spider mines , vultures in undefended base... please chip in with examples everyone.

Speaks like a noob.

Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over

Don't remember saying this btw. Citation please ? Or is it another made up "Snow is the best Protoss ever" of yours?


SnOw is the best protoss ever. But also the one protoss without premier wins. Best =/= most accomplished. Anyone can quote me on that whenever they want because I consider it an objective fact based on largely the online but also the offline results from the past two years. Soulkey is just standing in his way and stealing his spotlight. No other player has managed to match Soulkey as well as SnOw has, except Light coming close to it. Most competition happens online, so I think we should put more focua on online performance to determine our power rankings and such.

Shame on you RJ ^^

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ok guys lets get serious...

snow is currently #1 protoss, but not even close to #1 protoss ever, that discussion is basically between Nal_rA/Bisu/JangBi, and i take Bisu.

shuttle is a legend for the protoss race, because he did what other protoss of much more higher skill couldnt. So once a champ, always a champ. But that doesnt make him a hall of famer, i mean, he is fighting vs Bisu,Stork, Nal_rA, Reach, JangBi, IntoTheRain, GARIMTO, Grrrr...

Shuttle = AnyTime = free = KaL , none of em could compete for hall of fame compared to the others... You could say that Shuttle won a SL, but that particular SL was kinda lol level compared to the ones that earlier protoss champions won...

saying that shuttle deserves a place in the hall of fame for the protoss race is like saying that Sync is hall of fame material for the Terran race, no sense.

i mean Reach > Prime Boxer, thats like beating FlaSh on a finals, completly changing the match up for ever... that shit is hall of fame material...
the same for Bisu > sAviOr...
or JangBi back to back OSL wins....
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-29 18:04:03
May 29 2025 18:03 GMT
#780
On May 29 2025 23:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2025 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On May 29 2025 06:46 TMNT wrote:
Oh and by the way, our top foreign Zerg here thinks this is a concept that should be made fun of:
You are saying a guy with MASSIVE LEAD can really lose the game in 40 seconds. ^^

40 seconds, everybody. 40 secs in BW.
Never mind 40s, I'll give you 4s: hold position Lurkers, Templar snipe, legendary spider mines , vultures in undefended base... please chip in with examples everyone.

Speaks like a noob.

Do you remember when you say stuff like oh protoss 2 loses workers in early game doing 1 gate is a already over

Don't remember saying this btw. Citation please ? Or is it another made up "Snow is the best Protoss ever" of yours?


SnOw is the best protoss ever. But also the one protoss without premier wins. Best =/= most accomplished. Anyone can quote me on that whenever they want because I consider it an objective fact based on largely the online but also the offline results from the past two years. Soulkey is just standing in his way and stealing his spotlight. No other player has managed to match Soulkey as well as SnOw has, except Light coming close to it. Most competition happens online, so I think we should put more focua on online performance to determine our power rankings and such.

Shame on you RJ ^^

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Best =/= most accomplished.
Perhaps I should have worded it as "most skilled protoss", given we have different opinions on what constitutes "the best".
But to me, SnOw es numero uno huehue
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