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noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
November 30 2007 17:37 GMT
#961
man I got a headache watching the Bisu vs. Savior round 3 because I could NOT found a weakness in Bisu's play... ISLAND EXPO'S IMBA!?
damn that Bisu is too good. his unit mix/strategy are like flawless..
good games
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
November 30 2007 17:48 GMT
#962
Game 2 -> savior had it, then lost it. come on build some fricken spores man, even just 1 in each base will prevent him from running around like that.

Game 3 -> flawless play by bisu. Bisu adapted to savior's hydra build, savior stubborn as always refuses to change strat and gets owned badly.

good games overall, but bisu's conservative defensive (ie: mass cannons) piss me off, he defense whores like a fricken terran, it works but it pisses me off
go OVERSKY MODE!
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
November 30 2007 18:03 GMT
#963
You cannot change strat once you've committed to a hydra build unless it is a late hydra build that has heavy drone production and more expansions.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
November 30 2007 18:06 GMT
#964
Fuck Bisu
Pulp can move, baby!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
November 30 2007 18:16 GMT
#965
Oh my fucking god Bisu[Shield] I fucking hate you so much.
Moderator<:3-/-<
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
November 30 2007 18:27 GMT
#966
On November 30 2007 12:06 HonestTea wrote:
Head says:

Hwasin
Jaedong
Savior
Stork

Heart says:
Hwasin
Light
Bisu
Stork

Head says: eww that would be an ugly TvT PvP semifinals.

Heart says: I DON'T CARE

Head: Well that's why I make the decisions around here.

Heart: STFU

Head: I'm just saying.

Heart: I'LL JUST CUT OFF YOUR BLOOD, THEN

Head: Well that would be unreasonable, you would stop too.

Heart: I DON'T THINK THAT FAR AHEAD

Head: You would never actually juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu---------------------

Heart: ---------

Head: ---------

Heart: ---------

Head: ---------

hahaha nice I expected you to talk more about the choices above but this was funny
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
xBTx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada542 Posts
November 30 2007 18:28 GMT
#967
+ Show Spoiler +
Thank GOODNESS for Bisu.

Last couple of days I was so worried he was going to slump!!
stuffing feathers up your butt doesnt make you a chicken
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2132 Posts
November 30 2007 18:29 GMT
#968
game 3 savior was on top with his flawless defense against sair reaver. Those burrowed lings were just amazing. He lost the advantage when he failed to prevent or destroy bisu's expansions. Hydra and hydraling can only last for so long. If you leave the protoss unhindered, they will get high class units and just melt hydraling.

But im really beginning to feel that corsairs are just too fukin cost effective against zerg. Just by their existence, you are kind of forcing a hydra opening. Then, you have air control and mobility which can dictate the flow of the game. Not to mention killing billions of overlords which really fucks up a zerg. They need to replace overlord which means they cant get units at the right time and cant even pump drones. Now combine all these effects with not being able to see those damn DT, you got a big headache. Those couple DTs mixed in with bisu's army in game 3 did a number on savior. A couple DT even saved 5 oclock and I think 3 oclock earlier. Damn sairs.
Agahnim
Profile Joined September 2007
Netherlands132 Posts
November 30 2007 18:35 GMT
#969
On December 01 2007 03:29 gameguard wrote:

But im really beginning to feel that corsairs are just too fukin cost effective against zerg. Just by their existence, you are kind of forcing a hydra opening. Then, you have air control and mobility which can dictate the flow of the game. Not to mention killing billions of overlords which really fucks up a zerg. They need to replace overlord which means they cant get units at the right time and cant even pump drones. Now combine all these effects with not being able to see those damn DT, you got a big headache. Those couple DTs mixed in with bisu's army in game 3 did a number on savior. A couple DT even saved 5 oclock and I think 3 oclock earlier. Damn sairs.


Idd, would be lovely if Zerg gets another form of detection that doesn't get raped in 2 seconds by mass sairs.
puLs.ReADy
Profile Joined November 2005
Bulgaria1301 Posts
November 30 2007 19:04 GMT
#970
fuck savior
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2132 Posts
November 30 2007 19:16 GMT
#971
this is pure theory craft.

How would a muta/scourge + queen work against sair openings? Put up a sunken + spore at expansions and work to gain air superiority. All you need is one decisive win and it will be hard for the toss to build up enough sairs in time. Then mass expand + mass muta build.

I know the use of queens have been discussed many times, but I can see this work.... if the timing allows for the incorporation of queens at a reasonable time. Obviously you would need to start muta scourge and avoid the sairs once they reach critical mass until you get snare. Meh, im not sure.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 30 2007 19:27 GMT
#972

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Terran & Potato Salad.
noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-30 19:30:51
November 30 2007 19:29 GMT
#973
I think you need hydras because if mr. Bisu gets enough sairs, it doesn't really matter how many mutas/scourges/queens you have, they're still going to get owned. I think Hydras>Scourges>Queens would probably work though, using hydras to protect your air units. It's not like you need to rush to queens for them to be effective; If you rushed to queens and tried to rely on ensnare the way you put it, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have enough energy in time anyway. Parasite ftw?

I think the best solution to all this shit would be plague though, since it reveals DT's, eats up HP and only leaves shields, allowing hydras to be more useful against Zeals and everything else.

..but it doesn't help that much when you're getting storm dropped from all sides ARGH.

and I just watched the Flash vs Stork games LOL
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
November 30 2007 19:52 GMT
#974
Muta is going to suck vs sairs because once you both mass up the sairs are gonna destroy the muta's with their splash before you can spread em out.

Katrina seems perfect for reaver/sair too, I was convinced savior was gonna win game 3 though, maaaaaan what a disappointment. Once protoss gets an island expo he's so hard to stop, those things are virtually indestructible.
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2132 Posts
November 30 2007 20:07 GMT
#975
once upon a time, muta scourge was a viable opening against sair. Then bisu came along :0

man I feel so frustrated. I don't want to admit it, but bisu's multitasking and game management is even a step above savior. Bisu's sair reaver movement on game 2 was pure art. No other toss could have come back like he did.
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
November 30 2007 20:11 GMT
#976
yay for Bisu, game 3 sounds like a must watch for me!
Xellos <3
edzwoo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States469 Posts
November 30 2007 20:54 GMT
#977
On November 30 2007 22:11 .dragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2007 22:06 edzwoo wrote:
On November 30 2007 22:04 .dragoon wrote:
...

I don't undersatnd you guys. Bisu played good but he was playing standard 2stargate into ground, it's Savior who still has huge problem fighting that build on multi-main maps with a ground spread.

Hydras can only hold off corsairs, in the meantime their number keeps growing till ground army reaches escape velocity and takes over.

I don't understand why savior played hydra for both games. The muta switch in game 2 coulda come a lot sooner and it'd have nailed bisu to the wall.


Well seeing as Bisu already HAD two stargates, he could have EASILY started pumping some more sairs. Switching hydras to mutas would be like suicide. Not to mention he was also building archons. Mutas can't really defend zealots when sairs and archons are coming after them.


WTH you taking about, this was when Bisu's nexus went down in early-mid game.

Muta vs corsair at that stage WORKS, the point is to STOP corsair from moving so scourges can torpedo them out of the sky. But that's not all, mutalisk could've reached and killed that reaver at the choke and the game would've played out totally different.


Watch the game again before making up random crap. Bisu had two stargates and a control group of sairs when his Nexus went down.
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
November 30 2007 21:02 GMT
#978
what is Bisu saying to Savior???

[image loading]
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
edzwoo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States469 Posts
November 30 2007 21:08 GMT
#979
On December 01 2007 06:02 ambit!ous1 wrote:
what is Bisu saying to Savior???

[image loading]


Bisu: See my hand? You're so easy that I had time to do this while playing you.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
November 30 2007 21:22 GMT
#980
omg wonderful games all 2-1!!
and bisu!! he is so imba!!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
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