[SSL Autumn] Ro8 Day 2 - Page 6

On October 09 2024 16:31 gingerfluffmuffnr2 wrote:
Cant watch any other than Nyoken casting BW. Pure passion, entertainment is ok and deep knowledge with his partners makes the games super interesting.

Sadly the viewer numbers among english fans isnt based on merit alone, else other casters would be pretty doomed.


Seeing vultures trying to kill ultras is sad and funny at once. Light gets always hyped to heaven and never delivers

On October 09 2024 22:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Yep if he keeps going sk terran he literally never loses, even with the upgrades being a bit lacking. Honestly i think sk was really close to tapping out.

On October 09 2024 22:37 TornadoSteve wrote:
I am following the bw scene for a while now;
Besides prime Flash, i never seen a player as decisive as soulkey, ever.

On October 10 2024 00:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Prime Jaedong was insanely decisive. At the peak of his rivalry with Flash he really played like a machine. If there were any strategic or tactical opening, he would take it. He was genuinely terrifying.

On October 10 2024 01:31 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


Jaedong played in an era where the game was played at a much simpler strategic level with less understanding of all possibilities and optimizations. It was easier to be decisive because the opponent had less options to choose from. Soulkey plays on a level I would argue is equal if not above flash's. The attention to detail in his flowchart decision making is unmatched. on top of that he has the best multitasking awareness/oversight over everything happening everywhere. But if anyone can/could take him it was either Light in standard game state, Rush in pure macro speed, or SnOw in pure micro control. But none of them surpass Soulkey's oversight and understanding.

On October 10 2024 01:31 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


Jaedong played in an era where the game was played at a much simpler strategic level with less understanding of all possibilities and optimizations. It was easier to be decisive because the opponent had less options to choose from. Soulkey plays on a level I would argue is equal if not above flash's. The attention to detail in his flowchart decision making is unmatched. on top of that he has the best multitasking awareness/oversight over everything happening everywhere. But if anyone can/could take him it was either Light in standard game state, Rush in pure macro speed, or SnOw in pure micro control. But none of them surpass Soulkey's oversight and understanding.

On October 10 2024 01:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Interesting. You might be right though i think deeper knowledge both complexifies and simplifies your task. Your opponent might have many more options, but the flowchart of what works against what is also much better mapped out. It’s a bit like comparing modern chess players and folks from the 60s. Sure, current players have to know sooooo many more lines and know altogether so much more about the game, but someone like Fischer had to figure things out on the spot that today people know like the back of their hands.

I don’t want to argue that Jaedong was better than SK is, as you said those are different eras. But when it comes to killer instinct and pounding when you smell blood in the water, I think prime JD was an all time great.

Also, i think that while people have as much better knowledge of the game and arguably play at a higher level altogether, the scene was more competitive at the end of the KESPA era, when dozens and dozens of progamers practiced 8 hours a day in team houses. Jaedong was something like 70% ZvZ against insanely talented people who did nothing else than practice to get better.

On October 10 2024 01:50 TMNT wrote:

I wonder, where was this version of Soulkey before he won his first ASL. I know he also won a KSL before but for some reason his ASL results prior to season 16 were kind of lackluster. He also wasn't known for being a beast online either. What changed and when?

On October 10 2024 00:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:

That’s quite tragic. I wonder if it’s a case of not evaluating the situation properly or if he got into a bit of a strategic tunnel vision, and felt that he was committed on the switch even though he really wasn’t.

I feel like the ability to drastically change plans at any point is what makes the greatest players so good. I feel like Light didn’t quite bring the version of himself in this match. He still looked like a very strong Terran, but not an all time great. Soulkey really did though.

On October 10 2024 02:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Sometimes it also just takes a while for someone to have their breakthrough moment because something in their play is not yet in the right place. An example is Speed. I have followed him since 2019. He has always been fast, always had amazing control and multitasking, but he didn't utilize it like he does now. He joined team Ukkz late 2023 where he has both Light and Mini as co-members. He has without a doubt learned a lot from them two directly to improve on his play.

Likewise Soulkey has teachers in Light and Queen. Light used to practice and spon vs soulkey a lot in 2019-2022.

On October 10 2024 03:02 cheesehuehue wrote:


When was Soulkey's military service?
I would argue that this is Soulkey's second peak. The first one was back in 2017, but he didn't get as much attention because Flash was still active.

People seem to brush off that on in his way to win the WEGL Soulkey destroyed Flash and made him look like an average terran. That was in November 2017, when Flash had already won ASL 2, 3 and 4. Soulkey also displayed an other-worldly performance when he beat Flash in the ace match of the the ASL Team Battle Season 1, in March 2017.

In may 2017, he got knocked out the ASL3 ro4 by Flash (score was 2-3). And in October 2017, he lost in the ASL4 ro4 against hero (score 2-3). And then you have his KSL2 title in 2018, where he beat Last 4-0 and Sharp 4-1, in the semifinals and finals, respectively.

What I find fascinating is that during the ASL16 and 17 winners interviews he said that he felt that he was out of shape, but as he kept winning he gained more and more confidence. At the end of ASL17, he said that now he felt greedy, and would attempt to win 3 ASLs in a row. So I think what we are seeing right now is a highly motivated and greedy version of Soulkey that we hadn't seen before.

On October 10 2024 02:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:


Yeah I think it was just a case of that being his game plan, and then the idea was probably that a mech switch would be the best way to combat the mass ultra from the 'regular' position. but then the combined drop+valkyries did so much damage that mech - being more volatile because you're more dependent on spider mines - still had a chance of losing while bio, being more consistent but perhaps with a lower 'peak' couldn't lose.

SK was basically supply blocked for two minutes between the 12 and 14 minute mark, and he was continuously building overlords during that, too, At the 13:45 mark SK has 45/20 supply, virtually 0 units aside from the lone ultra in Light's base, Light is at 102 supply. Without a mech switch being underway at that point he'd have a completely untouchable bio army able to kill both SK's expansions.

On October 10 2024 03:46 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


Soulkey getting eliminated by Brain in Ro16 ASL9 hurt people's perception of him.