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Light > free Action> effort Action > Light effort > free Light > effort | ||
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I think he may go through first, with light second if he is not doing a botched proxy against action in the final game. Interesting possibilities in this group! | ||
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Light will destroy everyone. Light and Action advancing in my heard. Heart wants Light and Effort. | ||
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On August 21 2023 19:39 outscar wrote: Poor free, he played well but nothing is enough against 4 base maxed out terran. he still had a good chance since 3-2 upgrade was delayed, but he just bled so many units unnecessarily | ||
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which is saying something without actually saying it to avoid it from not happening. | ||
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can't believe its actually happening. even kona is here. | ||
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On August 21 2023 19:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: i've gone back 12 years can't believe its actually happening. even kona is here. helloooooo  | ||
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konadora
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yooooo | ||
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On August 21 2023 20:05 outscar wrote: WTF IS GOING ON?!! Defilers, ultra cavern and now lurkers??? if you weren't around between jan-may 2011 this is a weird wild sight indeed. | ||
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konadora
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I LOVE THSI GAME | ||
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prosatan
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YES , YES IT IS !!!! | ||
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konadora
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what a fun game, nice effort by effort | ||
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Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Action? Oh buddy you gotta watch this. (55) 55 total votes Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Action? (Vote): Oh buddy you gotta watch this. | ||
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that was such a fucking smart gameplan also unfortunate mistakes by Light | ||
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On August 21 2023 20:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: and yeah that drop should have been abandoned immediately yeah he still had to back off and save like 40 supply of units lol not sure why he forced, didnt he scan beforehand? if he went in blind without scanning then Light deserved the loss | ||
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konadora
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On August 21 2023 20:41 Rainalcar wrote: And this is why we need a ZVZ specific patch!! Years and years we are deprived of these games because the matchup is broken nah u just need maps like Triathlon we don't need a patch. maps are the patch | ||
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On August 21 2023 20:38 Lovethelord wrote: factories so late though. u have 3 base. u should have had siege he lost his floated factory at 7 oclock | ||
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konadora
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its like 2010 all over again | ||
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TMNT
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On August 21 2023 20:41 konadora wrote: yeah he still had to back off and save like 40 supply of units lol not sure why he forced, didnt he scan beforehand? if he went in blind without scanning then Light deserved the loss That was an in the heat of the moment decision I guess. We often see Protoss players suiciding their Shuttles in Terran's base and criticize it but when it comes to drops, Terran and Zerg are no different. Once you fly in you don't turn back. | ||
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On August 21 2023 20:41 konadora wrote: nah u just need maps like Triathlon we don't need a patch. maps are the patch Sure, why not? Except, which map is proven to be designed for hive zvz to have a realistic chance, while being playable for other matchups? And if there is such a map, why is it not used? | ||
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konadora
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On August 21 2023 20:52 Rainalcar wrote: Sure, why not? Except, which map is proven to be designed for hive zvz to have a realistic chance, while being playable for other matchups? And if there is such a map, why is it not used? bcus those maps tend to be heavily biased in other match ups, unfortunately TOs cant always make maps that are skewed towards one matchup (in terms of balance or entertainment) every single tournament | ||
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On August 21 2023 20:58 prosatan wrote: is effort a bit behind ? his 4th feels a bit slow | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:01 konadora wrote: completely lost air control.... looks over for Effort relax effort is going to pull an effort classic, defend for 30 mins and then lose. | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:10 outscar wrote: The fuck is free doing, he should've finished zerg age ago. yeah he's letting Effort turtle and recover too much, especially after leaving 5 oclock main alone... | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:12 konadora wrote: free is starting to slip? he slipped the moment I saw lurkers form in front of him and he could do nothing. | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:11 konadora wrote: yeah he's letting Effort turtle and recover too much, especially after leaving 5 oclock main alone... Yep and where's his obs, losing 3 in a second. He must make them non stop! Or it's going him to cost the game. | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: he slipped the moment I saw lurkers form in front of him and he could do nothing. yeah he had 2 storms but decided to use them on some lings lol | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:14 outscar wrote: Yep and where's his obs, losing 3 in a second. He must make them non stop! Or it's going him to cost the game. not building them bcus his robotics is building reavers lolol | ||
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LEAVE IT AT 10 AND DEFEND IT WTF | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:20 BLinD-RawR wrote: Free has a walking deathball thats so aimless, I've already said protoss deserves better this season but yikes man. it had literally been doing nothing for last 15 mins, its so infuriating to watch | ||
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konadora
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5 GAS TOSS LOSES THIS HOW | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: bro why are you more focused on storm drops that you can't even bother to capitalize on. he should just save the HTs and use them for establishing the 10 oclock main... this is such C tier decision making omg | ||
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finally taps out | ||
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konadora
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On August 21 2023 21:27 Lovethelord wrote: exactly how was free supposed to attack into Z? when Z has sunken, spore, defiler, and lurker, u can't break it when they keep plaguing you. he was supposed to maintain a critical mass of expensive units while preventing effort from taking ground easily. instead, he expended too many HTs, lost his archon and reaver critical mass, got his 4oclock expo constantly harassed (thus disrupting his HT/Reaver supply), and allowed Effort to take 5oclock main + natural + 6 clock expo while failing to defend his 10 oclock expo because of his god awful positioning the whole point of late game protoss is to conserve his gas-expensive and recyclable units (archon, reaver, HTs) while using minerals (zealots, shuttles, cannons) to hold map control and expand. it was just pure macro-management by free | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:30 konadora wrote: he was supposed to maintain a critical mass of expensive units while preventing effort from taking ground easily. instead, he expended too many HTs, lost his archon and reaver critical mass, got his 4oclock expo constantly harassed (thus disrupting his HT/Reaver supply), and allowed Effort to take 5oclock main + natural + 6 clock expo while failing to defend his 10 oclock expo because of his god awful positioning also considering effort's drop defense wasn't all that great he could have just dropped half his army at that 5 base and wiped it out again. but not taking 10 back was a mistake, its like he gave up when he saw how fast those cracklings ate that nexus up. | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:32 BLinD-RawR wrote: also considering effort's drop defense wasn't all that great he could have just dropped half his army at that 5 base and wiped it out again. but not taking 10 back was a mistake, its like he gave up when he saw how fast those cracklings ate that nexus up. yeah for real, he just needed his army to be at 10oclock to establish cannons and gateways for around 5 mins. cus it would be a guaranteed 3 gas once the natural is up. but instead, he was too focused on pushing 5 and securing 4. tried to kill two birds with one stone and ended up with none. | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:32 BLinD-RawR wrote: also considering effort's drop defense wasn't all that great he could have just dropped half his army at that 5 base and wiped it out again. but not taking 10 back was a mistake, its like he gave up when he saw how fast those cracklings ate that nexus up. pretty sure what happened was that effort kept sniping his obs so he couldn't even walk up there into the lurkers. | ||
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konadora
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On August 21 2023 21:34 Kaal wrote: pretty sure what happened was that effort kept sniping his obs so he couldn't even walk up there into the lurkers. there was a LOT of mismicro on free's part | ||
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konadora
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great build for this map, especially considering their cross position spawns | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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easily the best defensive zerg I've seen, he will make you fight for his bases like no one else. | ||
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konadora
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light knew he's lost control of this map effort played PERFECTLY | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: to this day I don't think I've ever seen a zerg player do defense into counter pushing like effort. easily the best defensive zerg I've seen, he will make you fight for his bases like no one else. that was textbook defensive lurker zerg, perfection | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:53 outscar wrote: Wow maybe I'm drunk but wasn't that too early GG from Light? he lost his expansions and was mined out. he's dead | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:55 ggsimida wrote: "best" terran and toss player out! time to blame the BO1 format! if the game is well won, people won't complain as much. but this group was overall too damn good. I am so happy after the last two groups didn't feel all that great. | ||
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On August 21 2023 21:55 ggsimida wrote: "best" terran and toss player out! time to blame the BO1 format! Dont forget best Zerg also went out of Ro24 last season as well. Snow 77% PvT and Light 77% TvZ in Proleague. Sigh. | ||
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Don't forget Queen and JD are favorites to go through tomorrow as well. Ro16 is gonna be a bore fest. | ||
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On August 21 2023 22:13 outscar wrote: Games are good but what a shit race ratio so far, zerg city as Blindrawr said just because 910 can't get his shit together and choose shit maps again and again. He must be replaced. yeah maps are pretty off. Turtle zerg is overpoweres on these maps. | ||
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But yeah free was in a good spot, esp vs Effort. I thought the reaver/archon combo did amazing too. | ||
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On August 22 2023 02:24 RogerChillingworth wrote: Wow that ZvZ was mental. Light definitely with an off day. Talked with a pro and he said Light is currently the best terran at standard, but doesn't deviate from standard often if ever. His strategy vs either Action and Effort had to deviate from standard. The current map pool is amazing for turtling zergs and you can't break it as either terran or protoss, as was evident in Free vs Effort. | ||
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Lazyer
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props to free for making a dark archon and scrapping it out late game vs effort. anti-props to light for his suicide drop vs action... that was kind of embarrassing. | ||
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Artas1984
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Loved the part where Free gave half of his army for "free" to dance on lurker spines. Loved the part where Free gave his 7 shuttles for "free" to fly over a defended zerg base and be destroyed. Loved the many parts where Free gave up all of his observers for "free" to be destroyed by scourge. Free is trash, he lost to Light not because Light played amazingly, but because the skill difference was too wide. I've seen a few ZvZ hive tech games, but i have never seen ultralisks and could not have possibly imagined how strong they would be. Now that was something... | ||
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I'll always maintain my opinion that Z is the strongest race in the game, just impossible to play perfectly. Some day when we get better SC AI this would be proven. Same when Flash lost against Soma as random P - you can kill 15 overlords but Z won't budge. | ||
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On August 22 2023 23:48 Nirli wrote: Props to Eonzerg for predicting how the ZvZ would play out. I'll always maintain my opinion that Z is the strongest race in the game, just impossible to play perfectly. Some day when we get better SC AI this would be proven. Same when Flash lost against Soma as random P - you can kill 15 overlords but Z won't budge. I don't think that is even controversial. Imagine every single Zergling being controlled by an AI lol. | ||
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On August 22 2023 23:13 Artas1984 wrote: Loved the part where Free gave his 7 archons for "free" to be destroyed by hydralisks. Loved the part where Free gave half of his army for "free" to dance on lurker spines. Loved the part where Free gave his 7 shuttles for "free" to fly over a defended zerg base and be destroyed. Loved the many parts where Free gave up all of his observers for "free" to be destroyed by scourge. Free is trash, he lost to Light not because Light played amazingly, but because the skill difference was too wide. bro there's no way free is trash, did you even watch that ASL match between him and snow where he pushed snow's reaver micro to its limit? dude played his heart out in that match he is one of the six protoss dragons ffs. dude came back to the scene, qualified for ASL in the modern era... put some respect on his name. tbh light playing comfortably with good mental has proven time and time again in daily proleagues, kcm etc. that he is a tvp defensive monster. he used to be known as a tvz sniper with mediocre tvp, he has come so far. he is good enough to take games off of flash in ASL tvt series. as far as potential light is elite. is it a far comparison to call free trash for losing to light in bo1 format when some of the only toss to make light look mortal are mini (on a good day) and snow? sometimes best, a pvt specialist? the protoss talent pool is so damn thin nowadays. toss supporters were rejoicing at rain's return, only for him to bomb out of a ro24 group with calm and sea. bisu with bracket luck can make it to ro8 but against a strong T like light he looks kinda lost, and his pvz doesn't dazzle anymore. mini has horrible mental and gets easily tilted; after finally winning ASL he looks content to all-kill in daily proleagues with streaming and sponmatches being his main source of income, not ASL. snow looks strong until he doesn't, and has faltered in ASL multiple times. we pinned all our hopes on best last season who showed great dark archon play in pvz, only to fizzle out against mind's tvp defensive style. tl;dr on a good day sending a toss to play light is like sending a lamb to the slaughter. even when mini was playing hot light took him out in ro16. unfair comparison | ||
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Free practically retired due to a combination of injury and motivation, and by that I mean he went completely offline for long periods. But he was always brought back by one of the SC universities. These days he barely played anymore, maybe a few spongames or a proleague here and there. He spent most of his time coaching female SC students and doing uni activities, or simply put, being a streamer. Actually him beating Barracks to qualify for ASL was a bit of a shock. | ||
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Artas1984
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On August 23 2023 03:06 whylessness wrote: bro there's no way free is trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSfTB4BwaWM&t=13167s Bro, i was overreacting simply because i was disappointed in his performance. Of course he is a good protoss (not great though), but sometimes he plays trashy games, like in this group. Perhaps he is rusted already like Stork or perhaps he came tired - who knows, but that sort of sloppy gameplay we saw where he threw not only his units, but his strategy as well vs. Effort is unacceptable on TV. But thank's for the fair reply, ye - i've seen all the ASL matches. On August 23 2023 03:20 TMNT wrote: Regarding Free, a bit of context needed Ye man, thank's for info, did not know that! | ||
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Nirli
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On August 23 2023 02:11 TMNT wrote: I don't think that is even controversial. Imagine every single Zergling being controlled by an AI lol. I'm not even talking about micro, more drone managament/macro. | ||
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sophisticated
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Is it clear and certain that Effort's play to get into hive in that game cannot be reliably replicated? I don't know how prepared and thought out that was, but the basic elements seem to have consisted of - 11hatch in main to get more larva but without having a second base - lots of static d (probably related to the in-base 11h, only need to defend one base against muta. Tho i cannot remember whether the nat was up when action's mutas arrived) - tight simcity (and weird simcity too; nat gas mining...) - hold and try to harras with lings in order to survive till hive And some other stuff like the burrowed lings (which I'm not sure whether they were essential). Then in Hive we saw usage of all zerg units except guardians and queens by both players (well, effort didn't use devourers or ultras). The thought that it might be developed into a viable strat occurs to me because a) iirc there weren't any major screwups, instances of luck or decidedly one-sided encounters by either players in that game till we made it into hive. I.e. it was possible to get into hive without magic, luck, godlike micro or anything else that would have to be considered decidedly abnormal. Including actions build. b) in my understanding standard ZvZ is already quite a gamble unless you're one of the micro-gods (small encounters decide everything), so even a strat with shaky reliability might be preferable to the usual let's-throw-the-dice-with-muta-scourge, especially to someone who's good at hive tech and/or doesn't have godlike muta-ling micro c) action had the initial scout advantage and still couldn't stop effort from getting into hive. Like, he knew what was going on from very early on and did not have a immediate hard-counter that categorically shuts down this strat. Ofc this is probably 99% attributable to novelty, but what I am trying to say is that maybe there isn't such a counter which would mean this BO is not prima facie a evolutionary dead-end. d) if you combine b) with c), it follows (i think) that pursuing this strat regularly may win you some portion of games more reliably than standard somewhat-shaky ZvZ BOs and therefore becomes viable as a BO that pros use. | ||
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NoobSkills
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Beyond that though holy shit does Effort just give the best matches? Over a decade of just heavy macro craziness and he can wear anyone out including flash. It is so good to see a match not dictated by the move that happened at 6 minutes ending the game. Not that action snapping necks isn't good, but he will get caught out and ended because of it. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On August 21 2023 22:18 TMNT wrote: Maps are not too bad imo. But should just make it BO3 all the way. Don't forget Queen and JD are favorites to go through tomorrow as well. Ro16 is gonna be a bore fest. I disagree on this, tempest is a P graveyard and for some reason P being slightly worse is the normal in all the other maps. | ||
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TMNT
2706 Posts
On August 28 2023 16:17 Malongo wrote: I disagree on this, tempest is a P graveyard and for some reason P being slightly worse is the normal in all the other maps. Tempest still has positive win rate for P in both matchups, although I don't know when the sample size is significant enough it could change. But I agree that from a gameplay point of view I dont see how that map is good for P. High ground nat which means T can go Rax expand without worrying about the bunker being hit. Expansions easy to defend for T. And the pathways are just horrible, there's just no place for P to take a fight. For PvZ the only good thing is the high ground nat which in theory should limit the possibility of hydra bust, but oh well it still happened. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
After the last 2 groups salted me out what an amazing day. Effort fighting. | ||
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Zergiica
Croatia125 Posts
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HOLYBATS
Turkey727 Posts
On August 31 2023 20:47 Zergiica wrote: i am not familiar with it. why they are playing bo1. it seems so random, not the best players can advance. To make the visibility of best chokers. | ||
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Ideas
United States8098 Posts
Is this just an influx of SC2 fans or something (which I think never use Bo1s any more but I could be wrong)? BW tournaments have used Bo1s in early stages of tournaments forever and done just fine. OSL Used Bo1 for Ro24/Ro16 for it's entire existence I think. MSL used Bo1 for Ro32 groups (which was the best seed that previous winners could obtain IIRC). Bo1 is fine in early stages.. makes early rounds go by quicker, allows for some upsets, makes the whole thing a bit more exciting. If every single stage was a Bo7 it'd be way less exciting. Don't hate the game, hate the player. | ||
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TMNT
2706 Posts
On August 31 2023 22:39 Ideas wrote: Regarding people complaining about Bo1s in every single group where there's an upset: Is this just an influx of SC2 fans or something (which I think never use Bo1s any more but I could be wrong)? BW tournaments have used Bo1s in early stages of tournaments forever and done just fine. OSL Used Bo1 for Ro24/Ro16 for it's entire existence I think. MSL used Bo1 for Ro32 groups (which was the best seed that previous winners could obtain IIRC). Bo1 is fine in early stages.. makes early rounds go by quicker, allows for some upsets, makes the whole thing a bit more exciting. If every single stage was a Bo7 it'd be way less exciting. Don't hate the game, hate the player. Problem is you had 6 OSL+MSL a year back then, plus Proleague and other special tournaments like WCG. Also more groups/players. Still BO1 is a shitty format in any esports, but with that many games being played and how frequently it was, it's understandable to reduce the air time. Now 2 ASLs a year is all we have. It's like what? 25% compared to Kespa. A very appropriate comparison would be tennis. Plenty of ATP 1000s throughout the year: BO3. But the four GSs, the most prestigious tournaments: BO5 all the way. | ||
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Ideas
United States8098 Posts
Seems like there's a lot of fan money being poured into daily proleague (way more earnings in that for players than ASL, no?). Too bad there's no way for that get syphoned off into another tournament on scale of ASL/KSL. | ||
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