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[CJ vs KTF] ShinHan PL s2 10.01.07 - Page 6

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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
October 01 2007 10:03 GMT
#101
On October 01 2007 19:01 M2 wrote:
yeah why should I use guardians and mutas against those tanks when I can use ultralisks )

Cause guardian muta is total shit vs metal? Just ranged gollies + irradiate fucks that up so badly =[. Just might work if you switch and as surprise kill 1-2 exps with it I guess.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-01 10:05:03
October 01 2007 10:04 GMT
#102
On October 01 2007 18:58 Camlito wrote:
Savior GG'S

fucking flash and screwing savior with the map

god stfu, flash just outplayed savior here. perfect execution of mech vs. zerg. stop blaming the map.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
October 01 2007 10:04 GMT
#103
LOL @ monty hall comparison. The map was so badly balanced it was redesigned for zerg balance. Everyone was right about that map and, chances are, they are right about this one.
日本語が分かりますか
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
October 01 2007 10:04 GMT
#104
On October 01 2007 19:01 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 19:00 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech.


Silver will, buaha :D


although I don't think that I am smarter than the pros, and they know what they are doing, i continually thought this to myself the entire time. He went 2 hatch before pool, it just felt if he would have all in hydra'd faster he could have done a lot of damage. I realize that if flash scouted it he could have blocked / tanked, but it seems more effective than waiting for flash to set up a 3 base turtle off of like 10+ factories.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51702 Posts
October 01 2007 10:04 GMT
#105
On October 01 2007 19:02 MarklarMarklar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 19:00 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech.


5-1 for terran in TvZ now on this map

I doubt its perfectly fine.


Well then, another Monty Hall reference, most, if not all Terrans won against Zergs on it.
Another reason why statistics should not judge how bad a map is.
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
October 01 2007 10:04 GMT
#106
If it's the map then it's still Savior's mistake. You don't play on a map that is imbalanced against zerg as a zerg. Send out a T or a P.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 01 2007 10:05 GMT
#107
On October 01 2007 19:04 HiTexas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 18:58 Camlito wrote:
Savior GG'S

fucking flash and screwing savior with the map

god stfu, flash just outplayed savior here. perfect execution of mech vs. zerg.



im not critizising the play, it was great mech

but it might be a while until zerg come up with something on this map
sAviOr...
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-01 10:08:25
October 01 2007 10:06 GMT
#108
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...

The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.

The other 5 games the zergs were totally dominated
hello there
hiho_a60
Profile Joined May 2004
Vietnam72 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-01 10:09:28
October 01 2007 10:07 GMT
#109
Sorry, double post.
hiho
strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-01 10:08:40
October 01 2007 10:08 GMT
#110
i am so glad i stayed up to watch that game. watching ultras run through minefields puts a smile on my face.

gg flash. die savior
Taek Bang Fighting!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51702 Posts
October 01 2007 10:08 GMT
#111
On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...

The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.

The other 5 games has been total dominations...


Actually I have.
Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio.
The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare.
Zergs might have to go back to school.
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 01 2007 10:08 GMT
#112
After watching that game, I really have to wonder what Zerg players will do to try and deal with the situations around that map.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 01 2007 10:09 GMT
#113
On October 01 2007 19:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...

The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.

The other 5 games has been total dominations...


Actually I have.
Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio.
The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare.
Zergs might have to go back to school.


yes mech is easily countered, zerg just need to find out how to on this map

im sorry for being bias, i just hated watching that game.
sAviOr...
Jonteman
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden644 Posts
October 01 2007 10:10 GMT
#114
Plague when tanks unsieged and moving forward ? : o ....
..
MarklarMarklar
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Fiji1823 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-01 10:11:32
October 01 2007 10:10 GMT
#115
On October 01 2007 19:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...

The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.

The other 5 games has been total dominations...


Actually I have.
Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio.
The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare.
Zergs might have to go back to school.


No its not easily counterable if you look at the map, how would you go about countering it?


Those minerals and double gas is just too imba for a terran.
hello there
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
October 01 2007 10:11 GMT
#116
On October 01 2007 19:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...

The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.

The other 5 games has been total dominations...


Actually I have.
Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio.
The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare.
Zergs might have to go back to school.


Yeah cause muta ling or hydra muta or guard hydra would be so effective vs 3-4 gas terran metal.

Aka irradiate golliath tank.

If'you don't get an insane advantage on that map and keep the terran totally boxed up from start you're pretty fucked seems to be the case.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
October 01 2007 10:12 GMT
#117
Savior wasted like 10 ultras on Flash's mass tanks + mines. He tried to attack it 3 or 4 times with just a few ultras. Had he done one big attack, the result might very well have been different.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
October 01 2007 10:13 GMT
#118
a few hydras vs. vultures at expo would have helped as well
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 01 2007 10:13 GMT
#119
On October 01 2007 19:12 Brutalisk wrote:
Savior wasted like 10 ultras on Flash's mass tanks + mines. He tried to attack it 3 or 4 times with just a few ultras. Had he done one big attack, the result might very well have been different.


yeh that is true

he was fucked anyway there was nothing he could do to secure expos and keep some pressure on
sAviOr...
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19141 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-01 10:15:27
October 01 2007 10:14 GMT
#120
On October 01 2007 19:12 Brutalisk wrote:
Savior wasted like 10 ultras on Flash's mass tanks + mines. He tried to attack it 3 or 4 times with just a few ultras. Had he done one big attack, the result might very well have been different.

Would you have put your money on it?:D

I was expecting more dropping though, ling/ultra bombing ;P.

Weakest point of a tank heavy army is mobility I guess. But mines are a *bitch*.

More bombing + half a dozen mutas to clear up mines would have gone a long way.

Long story short, the map is extremely gay but a bigger Mix of units would have helped Savior alot.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
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