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Flash over sAviOr. I realize sAviOr is quite the badass, and lots of people seem to hate flash now. I also realize sAviOr must have a killer build prepared for the map, since it's supposedly bad for ZvT. Still, I think map advantage will work in Flash's favor, and Flash isn't such a bad player at any rate. He IS capable of playing straight up and getting lategame wins in TvZ, even if his TvP is boxerish in its desperation, cheese, sixfac all in, and endgame weakness.
Hery over KwanrO. Eh, I just don't see Hery dropping a game to Kwanro. He's sort of shaky and inconsistent, but recently he's been doing better than that travesty of an R2 last year. He seems to be near the top of team inners, so he must be pretty good. Let's hope he continues to improve in TV appearances this season.
Reach/ZergbOng do not lose. Much/Jy is admittedly one of the stiffer teams they'll come up against, so if they do somehow, impossibly, drop a game, it may be here. Still, if you've seen Reach's 2v2... well, you'll know why he's always been a better 2v2er than 1v1er. Always. I always thought ZergbOng was a weaker 2v2er than YellOw [who has good 2v2 sense], but I guess YellOw is better on T/Z team than P/Z team. [Reach/YellOw 2v2 though.. ahh so sexy]
KTF shuts out CJ, 3:0 [ok a bit optimistic. whatever.]
Cheerfuls
Three this time. They updated cheerfuls to leave out sync/aqua/gf/chojja... very sad.
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edit: edit I mean my original post here was lame, sorry
To those predicting Hery from name recognition, let's not forget that Hery is 5-14 lifetime TvZ. I don't recall seeing it myself, but the wins are ZergMan, Clon, out-of-shape JJu, Mensol, and Orion, and the losses include two to Silver not on Monty. I'm just hoping we get to see Xellos play a glorious center fight on Blue Storm. Yay for non-mirrors at least.
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I'm very interested to see what kind of build Savior has prepared on Horsey.
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Three this time. They updated cheerfuls to leave out sync/aqua/gf/chojja... very sad.
Why did they do this?
Did something happen?
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United States20661 Posts
KTF_Blaze aka Sync has been removed from the team, as has Ever)Z(aQua.
GooDFrienD and ChOJJa have been demoted to online practice partners.
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SaviOr > Flash (NP)
Hwanro < Hery (NP)
Much / Jy < Reach / ZergbOng (NP)
XellOs > Lucifer (I Hope)
Ace Match - IriS vs Nal_rA (woot!)
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Savior
Hery (wouldn't be surprised if Kwanro won tho)
KTF
Lucifer (I hope  )
I think CJ will win if it goes to ace.
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Canada7170 Posts
On October 01 2007 06:43 Last Romantic wrote:
GooDFrienD and ChOJJa have been demoted to online practice partners.
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cj
i expect flash to win tho
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On October 01 2007 06:43 Last Romantic wrote:
GooDFrienD and ChOJJa have been demoted to online practice partners.
Wait, so they're not on KTF anymore?!!!! 
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When you say "online practice partners," do you mean they'll literally only play the team from home, not at the team HQ?
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United States20661 Posts
No, they are still technically part of the KTF team.
Yes, they no longer live at the Magic Camp.
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
This goes to ace match I believe. Then sAviOr wins it !
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I doubt from what I have seen from Savior he will lose to someone of a player like Flash, even though he lost vs Hwasin and Sea, whom are better players then Flash overall.
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Hery's TvZ is so terrible, I wouldn't be surprised if he loses here. Go Lucifer though, I want tosee what this kid can do in the PL.
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I DEMAND CJ CHEERFULS
or I will start making these threads 
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Seriously, biased report threads is no thanks
BTW CJ 3-0 KTF
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United States1654 Posts
Wow, that map is 4-1 for TvZ?
Normally I'd love for Savior to win, but if the map is imbalanced, it might just give Flash the edge he needs to pull off a win.
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On October 01 2007 09:45 SigrUn wrote:
Wow, that map is 4-1 for TvZ?
Normally I'd love for Savior to win, but if the map is imbalanced, it might just give Flash the edge he needs to pull off a win.
It's still early, and 5 games is hardly a reasonable sample size. Terran seems to have somewhat of an initiative with the dual money main, but a lot of strategies have yet to be played out on the map. Personally, I'm looking for a lurker opening (or fine, muta first) that takes the corner expo fast and goes turbo Hive. There's no real reason for anybody to go around the middle, and all of the sides feature narrow passageways that should be swarm-friendly.
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SaviOr > Flash (hes fuckin sAviOr)
Hwanro < Hery (ez)
Much / Jy < Reach / ZergbOng (Well the op post said it, Reach is a 2v2 gamer in the body of an 1n1 gamer :D)
XellOs < Lucifer (1 XellOs is in an eternal slump 2 Lucifer is quite solid 3 I dont like XellOs)
1:3 against my beloved CJ team :/
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savior > flash
Kwanro > hery
2v2 dunno dun care
xellos slump now vs new so maybe he'll lose
cj iris > all on python
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I think people are underestimating XellOs. If it goes to a game 4, I wouldn't be surprised if XellOs won. He dropped himself to the B team to train harder -_-; that is so hardcore and so very CJ. And judging by his last games, he's not screwing around anymore.
I guess not winning a single game for so long put thing in perspective for him. Iono, he seems decently strong, even if I'm only basing that opinion off of two games.
As for no CJ cheerfuls - their site is so badly organized that it's hard to find them. I can look though.
edit: they haven't gotten a new team cheerful since 9/18, and I already used that one.
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My predictions:
sAviOr < Flash
Kwanro > Hery
CJ < KTF
XellOs > Lucifer
Iris < Nal_rA
KTF wins 3-2
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Iris would smack Ra silly
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On October 01 2007 11:14 Ace wrote:
Iris would smack Ra silly
Didnt he just beat Iris twice at Blizzcon and WCG prelims?
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Hopefully KTF shuts them down 3-0. That would be great: [ i want them to get a good start to this season.
KTF is too much like Rocky Balboa. Just built for huge dragged out battles of attrition with a bunch of pretty quality players. `_`
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On October 01 2007 11:16 red.venom wrote:Didnt he just beat Iris twice at Blizzcon and WCG prelims?
this is Proloeague we're talking about. WCG and Blizzcon (lol) aren't really good indicators of how well players will do against each other in major Korean events.
I think Sea is the probably the best example of this "trend".
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oh ok im sorry i see that you have it all figured out despite proven data to the contrary. hmmmmmmmmmMMMMMM
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prediction:
sAviOr>Flash
Kwanro>Hery (dunno just feeling)
CJ<KTF
Xellos>Lucifer
CJ in 4
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On October 01 2007 11:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 11:16 red.venom wrote:On October 01 2007 11:14 Ace wrote:
Iris would smack Ra silly Didnt he just beat Iris twice at Blizzcon and WCG prelims? this is Proloeague we're talking about. WCG and Blizzcon (lol) aren't really good indicators of how well players will do against each other in major Korean events. I think Sea is the probably the best example of this "trend".
wcg qualifers are much more important than a random proleague game at the start of the season
how is sea an example of this trend? he tears apart the proleague but doesnt perform in starleagues.
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On October 01 2007 06:43 Last Romantic wrote:
KTF_Blaze aka Sync has been removed from the team, as has Ever)Z(aQua.
GooDFrienD and ChOJJa have been demoted to online practice partners.
source?
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On October 01 2007 12:08 tfeign wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 06:43 Last Romantic wrote:
KTF_Blaze aka Sync has been removed from the team, as has Ever)Z(aQua.
GooDFrienD and ChOJJa have been demoted to online practice partners. source?
I don't keep every fifo link I come across, sorry.
It is on fifo, though. early september-ish?
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Predictions
Savior > Flash
Kwanro < Hery (Ehh i wouldnt be surprised if kwanro wins either)
Cj < KTF
Xellos > Lucifer
Ace CJ > KTF (I Hope)
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The fact that some people place Flash over sAviOr perplexes me.
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Why? They're 1:1 [admittedly both weren't exemplary games] and strong representatives of their races. sAviOr has the edge as an overall player, but that's far from saying Flash has no shot at all.
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Hery is HORRIBLE at TvZ. His win rate vs Zerg is something like 26%.
I expect this series to go to ace (as with basically all of KTF's games).
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flash vs savior will determine whether savior is back
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South Africa4316 Posts
sAviOr > Flash
Kwanro < Hery
CJ < KTF
Xellos > Lucifer
Iris > Nal_rA
Unfortunately I don't think KTF is going to take this one. To all those saying Xellos is in a slump... watch the MSL games. Probably the best I've seen Xellos play in a while. I think Flash has a decent chance vs. sAviOr, perhaps 40-60 for sAviOr, so I definitely wouldn't count him out.
Baekmagoji isn't imbalanced, if you look at the games played on there you'd see why. Darkelf has a specialist metal build on the map, which Calm countered with hydralisks..., Shark had a very good game vs Darkelf on the map, but I'd expect him to lose. Flash beat Oversky in a game where Oversky completely miss-timed his sunken colonies, which had little to do with the map (except perhaps that Oversky didn't realise the timings changed on that map), and Sea beat Firefist. So the only two games that can really count is Darkelf's metal build, and he seemed to have practised that build very hard. So yeah, I think we need to see how more balanced matchups fair on that map.
Hery beats Kwanro, not much more to say. I simply think that Hery is a better player.
Reach/Zergbong don't lose.
Iris should beat Nal_rA but it is definitely not a foregone conclusion. It all depends on what rA brings to the table I guess.
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flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos
KTF wins in 4
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is awesome32274 Posts
CJ 3-2, 3-1
CJ wins the 2v2 (Go Jy!), I hope Xellos comes back to somewhere near his old level : [
Savior win.
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Germany2762 Posts
savior > flash
kwanro < hery
cj < ktf
xellos < lucifer
1-3 in favor for ktf
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United States20661 Posts
Uwahhhh!!! Hery[hyO] gets his name from a terribly mispelled "Harry Potter"!!
AhAHahahAHahahahahahaha I just learned that.
Pubbanana shhh don't make fun of me. I'm ignorant.
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Yeah, get Rekrul to tell something 
Or Pubbanana
Or someone with insane amounts of insider information.
Return of the Mensrea?
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sAviOr > Flash
Kwanro[saM] < Hery
Much / Jy > Reach / Zergbong (sorry mantoss :/)
XellOs < Lucifer
sAviOr > Nal_rA
CJ 3-2 KTF
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On October 01 2007 06:43 Last Romantic wrote:
KTF_Blaze aka Sync has been removed from the team, as has Ever)Z(aQua.
GooDFrienD and ChOJJa have been demoted to online practice partners.
lol, poor old skoolers
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
CJ 3-0 KTF plz
=[ i miss sync
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Who miss Sync really?
He's the osl winner everyone wants to forget (with Casy, his pupil)
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
i always had a thing for sync, loved his tvz 
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Why are they playing on BGH?
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Savior - Top right red
Flash - bottom left Blue
Baekmagoji
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Damnit my thing is stuffing up
Flash attempting a block and getting early gas
Savior 3 hatch before pool
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hmm is there a stream where i can watch MBC?? >_<
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Flash going early fac>starport and killing the sunks around his base
lair going up for savior
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2 fac going up for flash and cc being built
wraith out for flash, killing saviors scout ovi
Flash getting science fac and armory
O_O damn mech
Savior with den up
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savior putting expo down at 3
flash starting to get gols
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wraith being microed to kill scourge
4 scourge chase it for 30 seconds
flash runs into base and gols kill them lol
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Nice little scruffle with the wraith and scourge. Flash picks off one with nice micro but eventually loses it to scourge.
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Savior up to 5 hatch and getting hive
hes pumping some hydra
hydras get raped by gols
8 gols 2 vessels moving towards saviors base
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gah i hate watching mech
flash sieging 3 expo of savior
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Flash expoing to 6:30
Savior has 12 expo and forgets his 3 expo
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DEFILERS out for savior
4 facs up for flash at the moment
large army advancing towards middle from flash
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flash moves army to new expo
hydra swarm going up attacking 6 expo
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lol skirmish at the expo, tank splash to much and savior retreats
i havent seen hydra/swarm for a while... or ever
savior advancing again, takes out 1 vessel
cc done and going to 5 expo for flash
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savior being aggresive as he can with hydra/ling/defiler
O_O dual ultra cavern coming for savior
savior expos to 12 now
vults for flash laying mines around
god i hate mech T T.T
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flash with vult/tank siegeing saviors remade 3 expo
swarm over tanks and savior stops the attack for now
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8 and 9 fac going up for flash
flash expoing to bottom corner
savior to top right
doesnt look good for savior.. its to easy to overwhelm the zerg in mech
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ULTRA ling race in buyt get owned by vult/tank/gol but does some damage
swarm and ling/hydra kill some vults
flash harassing 12 expo with vultures
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this map is just too imba for T in TvZ
ban this map plz its lame
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blah this game is gay to watch O_O
flash just building and defending expo
swarm on 6 again
savior does some damage again
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On October 01 2007 18:54 MarklarMarklar wrote:
this map is just too imba for T in TvZ
ban this map plz its lame
i know just sit in your base at the start and go mech
its to hard for zerg to gain any advantage
5 vs 5 expo on gay tvz map
flash killed top corner expo..didnt see that
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Savior does zero damage...
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flash massing mines and basically turtling his expo
i think savior is rushing in with lings into the minefield but i got lag
lings kill some vults with good micro
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large tank force advancing through middle
sieging between 12 and 11 expo
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This is the worst map ive ever seen....
flash raping another expo
savior retakes top corner
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Savior GG'S
fucking flash and screwing savior with the map
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Damn Savior sucks. It's ridiculous.
Never seen him play so bad. All he did was waste units...
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On October 01 2007 18:58 BlackStar wrote:
What a humiliation.
um no
its the map, not the player.
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On October 01 2007 18:58 Brutalisk wrote:
Damn Savior sucks. It's ridiculous.
noob
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On October 01 2007 18:58 Brutalisk wrote:
Damn Savior sucks. It's ridiculous.
my ass he was behind because of the stupid mineral start all game
flash just massed mech and killed expos with tanks while savior actually tried to do something
pathetic map
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51454 Posts
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech.
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On October 01 2007 18:59 MarklarMarklar wrote:
its the map, not the player.
Sure...
Savior just played the wrong kind of game. And then he does nothing but suicide his units.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Nothing Savior could do against that tbh. I have no idea why zergs are still being sent out against terrans on this map =[.
But yeah he suicided alot of units but god damn metal on that map seems soooo strong. Just july beat a terran once on that map iirc?
10 fact metal just zzzzzz vs zerg.
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im not a fanboy GTR
it is a shit map
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Teams have to stop sending Zerg out on this map, it seemed clear to me from the beginning that any map with 2 gas main and 17 mineral patches would be bad for ZvT.
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yeah why should I use guardians and mutas against those tanks when I can use ultralisks )
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On October 01 2007 19:00 BlackStar wrote:Sure... Savior just played the wrong kind of game. And then he does nothing but suicide his units.
well he did suicide his units from trying to hard
zerg need a silver to invent good strategies on this map O_O
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On October 01 2007 19:00 Camlito wrote:
im not a fanboy GTR
it is a shit map
How can you judge one single map on one single game alone? It's pretty pathetic how you view this game as well as the map with this one game alone.
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On October 01 2007 19:00 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech.
Silver will, buaha :D
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if the map was that hopeless for Z, why would CJ send savior ?
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On October 01 2007 19:00 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech.
5-1 for terran in TvZ now on this map
I doubt its perfectly fine.
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This remind me of the game on Ride of the Valkaries, Oov vs Savior. OOV with big tanks line in the middle. The outcome is little different though.
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On October 01 2007 19:01 GTR-2-Go wrote:How can you judge one single map on one single game alone? It's pretty pathetic how you view this game as well as the map with this one game alone.
i base it on 5 games
i would like to see a pvt on this map though
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On October 01 2007 19:01 M2 wrote:yeah why should I use guardians and mutas against those tanks when I can use ultralisks )
Cause guardian muta is total shit vs metal? Just ranged gollies + irradiate fucks that up so badly =[. Just might work if you switch and as surprise kill 1-2 exps with it I guess.
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On October 01 2007 18:58 Camlito wrote:
Savior GG'S
fucking flash and screwing savior with the map
god stfu, flash just outplayed savior here. perfect execution of mech vs. zerg. stop blaming the map.
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LOL @ monty hall comparison. The map was so badly balanced it was redesigned for zerg balance. Everyone was right about that map and, chances are, they are right about this one.
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On October 01 2007 19:01 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 19:00 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech. Silver will, buaha :D
although I don't think that I am smarter than the pros, and they know what they are doing, i continually thought this to myself the entire time. He went 2 hatch before pool, it just felt if he would have all in hydra'd faster he could have done a lot of damage. I realize that if flash scouted it he could have blocked / tanked, but it seems more effective than waiting for flash to set up a 3 base turtle off of like 10+ factories.
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On October 01 2007 19:02 MarklarMarklar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 19:00 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Shut up Savior fanboys, the map is perfectly fine.
People were saying the exact thing about Monty Hall last season.
Eventually players will develop a counter to mech. 5-1 for terran in TvZ now on this map I doubt its perfectly fine.
Well then, another Monty Hall reference, most, if not all Terrans won against Zergs on it.
Another reason why statistics should not judge how bad a map is.
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If it's the map then it's still Savior's mistake. You don't play on a map that is imbalanced against zerg as a zerg. Send out a T or a P.
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On October 01 2007 19:04 HiTexas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 18:58 Camlito wrote:
Savior GG'S
fucking flash and screwing savior with the map god stfu, flash just outplayed savior here. perfect execution of mech vs. zerg.
im not critizising the play, it was great mech
but it might be a while until zerg come up with something on this map
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GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...
The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.
The other 5 games the zergs were totally dominated
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i am so glad i stayed up to watch that game. watching ultras run through minefields puts a smile on my face.
gg flash. die savior
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On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...
The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.
The other 5 games has been total dominations...
Actually I have.
Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio.
The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare.
Zergs might have to go back to school.
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After watching that game, I really have to wonder what Zerg players will do to try and deal with the situations around that map.
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On October 01 2007 19:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...
The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.
The other 5 games has been total dominations... Actually I have. Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio. The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare. Zergs might have to go back to school.
yes mech is easily countered, zerg just need to find out how to on this map
im sorry for being bias, i just hated watching that game.
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Plague when tanks unsieged and moving forward ? : o ....
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On October 01 2007 19:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...
The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.
The other 5 games has been total dominations... Actually I have. Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio. The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare. Zergs might have to go back to school.
No its not easily counterable if you look at the map, how would you go about countering it?
Those minerals and double gas is just too imba for a terran.
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On October 01 2007 19:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 19:06 MarklarMarklar wrote:
GTR-2-Go obviously hasnt seen the games on it if he talks like this...
The only Z win was July vs UpMagic, where upmagic played horribly and made a ton of mistakes.
The other 5 games has been total dominations... Actually I have. Mech is easily counterable if known how to play against it. The only Z win was because Up decided to go bio. The thing is most modern day zerg players have little knowledge whatsoever to combat mechanic play, since it is so rare. Zergs might have to go back to school.
Yeah cause muta ling or hydra muta or guard hydra would be so effective vs 3-4 gas terran metal.
Aka irradiate golliath tank.
If'you don't get an insane advantage on that map and keep the terran totally boxed up from start you're pretty fucked seems to be the case.
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Savior wasted like 10 ultras on Flash's mass tanks + mines. He tried to attack it 3 or 4 times with just a few ultras. Had he done one big attack, the result might very well have been different.
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a few hydras vs. vultures at expo would have helped as well
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On October 01 2007 19:12 Brutalisk wrote:
Savior wasted like 10 ultras on Flash's mass tanks + mines. He tried to attack it 3 or 4 times with just a few ultras. Had he done one big attack, the result might very well have been different.
yeh that is true
he was fucked anyway there was nothing he could do to secure expos and keep some pressure on
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On October 01 2007 19:12 Brutalisk wrote:
Savior wasted like 10 ultras on Flash's mass tanks + mines. He tried to attack it 3 or 4 times with just a few ultras. Had he done one big attack, the result might very well have been different.
Would you have put your money on it?:D
I was expecting more dropping though, ling/ultra bombing ;P.
Weakest point of a tank heavy army is mobility I guess. But mines are a *bitch*.
More bombing + half a dozen mutas to clear up mines would have gone a long way.
Long story short, the map is extremely gay but a bigger Mix of units would have helped Savior alot.
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harry potter terran (lol) Red 6
Kwanro Green 4
Hery moving out with m&m
sorry a bit busy
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Blaming the map only in this game screams FANBOI. How many plagues did savior cast ? 1-2 max ? Saw the game vs hwasin the other day, he spamed plague there, I know it's harder vs tanks, doh, but it's still doable, after all he is one of the best zergs around. He has no excuse for playing so bad, the map was a factor also no doubt, but he played bad overall.
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Alright, last statement.
Before the map is called 'gay', have you considered the other match-ups in PvT and ZvP?
Not imbalanced at all, from what I've seen.
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On October 01 2007 19:17 fallingdream wrote:
Blaming the map only in this game screams FANBOI. How many palgues did savior cast ? 1-2 max ? Saw the game vs hwasin the other day, he spamed plagued there, I know it's harder vs tanks, doh, but it's still doable, after all he is one of the best zergs around. He has no excuse for playing so bad, the map was a factor also no doubt, but he played bad overall.
he seemed like he was playing a lost game 4 minutes in
anyway..
kwanro has been pissing him off with lings and now has mutas out
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On October 01 2007 19:17 fallingdream wrote:
Blaming the map only in this game screams FANBOI. How many palgues did savior cast ? 1-2 max ? Saw the game vs hwasin the other day, he spamed plagued there, I know it's harder vs tanks, doh, but it's still doable, after all he is one of the best zergs around. He has no excuse for playing so bad, the map was a factor also no doubt, but he played bad overall.
Yeah thats cause every zerg on that map got rolled by metal on it till now.
And you are aware that plague vs mnm has a different effect then on metal right -.- aka countering medic healing and mnm is more bunched up anyway.
Oh and if you actually read the other reports of games on this map you'd notice the complaints everywhere.
Havent seen enough other MUs on the map, which leads me to the question:
"Why the fuck do teams keep trying ZvT on this map?"
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On October 01 2007 19:17 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Alright, last statement.
Before the map is called 'gay', have you considered the other match-ups in PvT and ZvP?
Not imbalanced at all, from what I've seen.
zvp is good
pvt.. has there been a pvt? i dont think, ill check tlpd
well hopefully teams learn to not zvt on baekmagoji
kwanro expos to top right corner
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i cant keep reporting, my things lagging to bad
last i checked kwanro has 2 lurks/lings defending top corner expo
hery has a large force moving around
hive going up for kwanro...k i give up
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wow, horrible unit control
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Not often seen such poorly played zerg from a progamer.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
LOOOOOOOL WHAT THE FUCK @ NO CONTROL ON ALL THOSE UNITS HAHAHA.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
LOL NOW HARRY POTTER LOSES LIKE 12+ RINES WITHOUT CONTROL WHOOPTIEFUCKINGDOOOOO
This game is killing my inner child.
Oee look a dark swarm route 66.
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losing 7 vessels to 1 muta blows as well
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On October 01 2007 19:19 Nyovne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 19:17 fallingdream wrote:
Blaming the map only in this game screams FANBOI. How many palgues did savior cast ? 1-2 max ? Saw the game vs hwasin the other day, he spamed plagued there, I know it's harder vs tanks, doh, but it's still doable, after all he is one of the best zergs around. He has no excuse for playing so bad, the map was a factor also no doubt, but he played bad overall. Yeah thats cause every zerg on that map got rolled by metal on it till now. And you are aware that plague vs mnm has a different effect then on metal right -.- aka countering medic healing and mnm is more bunched up anyway. Oh and if you actually read the other reports of games on this map you'd notice the complaints everywhere. Havent seen enough other MUs on the map, which leads me to the question: "Why the fuck do teams keep trying ZvT on this map?"
I am a big Yellow fan and thus a zerg supporter, I dont like this map either but blaming the game on the map and saying this is the only reason savior failed is just plain wrong. I used plague as an example, savior didnt make any effort at all, A+move and dark swarm may be winning the game vs m&m but it's not the case vs mech. Button line is he didnt make any effort, his strat was bad or badly executed and overall let his army die needlessly, this is ofc my opinion.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Hmmm noone reporting this anymore?
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Either Kwanro is super nervous or he has the worst progamer unit control ever -_-
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lol yeh i thought last game was bad
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lol @ bear critter thingy on ramp
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Hero mutalisk fighting
Beautiful..
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Shitstainzerg pulls a GGPlay and RIPs 6 vessels with 1 muta after a plague.
Just 1 vessel getting away.
Harry seems to be up to 5 base now vs the 4 base from zerg.
Shitstain retaking top left expo.
Harry dropping Shitstains main again but gets quite easily repelled.
6 vessels again and all hit by 1 plague again.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Harry still trying to lay siege to zergs man with irradiates but plagues swarms and zerglings seem to be keeping him at bay.
Harry's 9 expo attempt is getting hit by lurkers but Shitstain his top left just finished expo is getting demolised by some crackheads without medics.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Harry manages to finish his CC at 9 and maynards his illigal immigrant worker army there whilst succesfully repelling shitstain from top left again and from taking the 12 natural.
Tanks pushing on the 12 main expo from shitstain.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Shitstain saves his new (again) top left expo hatch deep in the red and leaves some lurkers there.
Harry pushing in on Shitstains main again while seeing his attack op 12 main getting repelled and Shitstain trying to take the nat expo there again.
Harry taking whole of 9. whole map seems to be taken atm, if top left gets up and runnings its 50/50.
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hmm. not often in tvz where you see suiciding of scvs to free up supply.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Harry going in HARD on 12 natural after getting rebuffed from Shitstains main but seems his army get aids and subsequently butraped by a swarm of lings and lurkers under swarm.
Still has a bunch of tanks camping outside though. (8+?)
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Harry moves in with reinforcements after swarms run out and rapes 12 natural *again*
and then continues to the 12 main but is for the moment held off by swarm ultras but with defilers irradiated and a 100 psi terran army moving in this is over.
Should be GG after this with terran having half the map and zerg down to 4 working bases. 2 low on drones.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Harry maynarding more illigal immigrants to 9 natural and main while cruising his new Pimped Arclite Tanks to top left to finish it off.
Harry tires of his illegal workforce and extradites them towards Shitstains main to clear up supply.
Harry does the irri on vessel trick and rapes about 20 drones at top left while steamrolling it work his 16 tank, 30 mnm army.
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kwanro took his time gg'ing
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Netherlands19135 Posts
7 base terran vs 2 base zerg, Harry swinging his wang around wildly while moving in for the kill.
GG as he steamrolls into shitstains main.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
If The Man and his Bong don't clean this up 0-3 I'd be surprised.
Even though Im majorly rooting for CJ
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i would be surprised if they let kwanro play another PL game this season 
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51454 Posts
It's only been two damn play weeks, of course they will let him play.
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Anyone got URL to stream :<?
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reach and bong got demolished... time for some Xellos ownage!
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On October 01 2007 20:18 Shauni wrote:
reach and bong got demolished... time for some Xellos ownage!
you don't hear that qoute often (the first one, not the xellos one )
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i am using gomtv, dunno if sc2.org is working but its easiest way to watch the games i guess (if its working ;p )
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Xellos top right Teal
Lucifer Bottom left Purple
Blue storm
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god, lucifer fucktard doing proxy build
ah, xellos scouts it.
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lol scv scouts the proxi before gate done
probe harassing building scvs.
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LOL scv killing pylon powering gates
3 zeals running around in xellos base
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51454 Posts
cheese is the flavour of the night it seems
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Xellos is so dead... like 6 scvs left after he took the 3 zeals with his first vultures.
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vulture out for xellos
dragoon shooting at rine and vult which are attack pylon
rine kills goon and scvs finishing pylon
another goon out
xellos kills pylon but 2 goons out now for lucifer
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Yeah also bisu cheesed oov on this map aswell
and GG
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they always lame mr xellos
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i feel so sorry for xellos
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
WTF! Xellos whats wrong with you? You used to have awesome micro. And how fucking hard it is to build a bunker?
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Poor Xellos
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kk 2/2 today
glad to see flash winning over savior.
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On October 01 2007 20:31 suffeli wrote:
WTF! Xellos whats wrong with you? You used to have awesome micro. And how fucking hard it is to build a bunker?
He couldn't really have microed out of that situation, except using the rines in a bunker. The rax - supply block was cool but there is really nothing you can do 1 marine vs 3 zealots.
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United States20661 Posts
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Holy shit, Reach/Zergbong lost? O_o
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So sad to see fear-inspiring Ultraling reduced to a red splat. :[
Also, this Savior-Bear thing is hilarious:
CJ Bears are kickass.
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That was smart of Lucifer, pretending to steal gas so Xellos built his barracks after gas.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
GTR: It is entirely possible to analyze a map accurately and determine which matchups are hard.
When I looked at the map I though a heavy metal build would be extremely effective, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so. Zerg don't have a lot of options on this map.
You don't possess the knowledge to analyze a map in this manner, but that doesn't mean no one does.
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United States20661 Posts
On October 02 2007 09:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
GTR: It is entirely possible to analyze a map accurately and determine which matchups are hard.
When I looked at the map I though a heavy metal build would be extremely effective, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so. Zerg don't have a lot of options on this map.
You don't possess the knowledge to analyze a map in this manner, but that doesn't mean no one does.
Agreed.
It's especially easy if the mapmakers themselves say that the map was DESIGNED to give X race advantage in XvX.
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On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos
KTF wins in 4
thats right, bitches
i'm fucking genius
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On October 02 2007 09:17 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2007 09:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
GTR: It is entirely possible to analyze a map accurately and determine which matchups are hard.
When I looked at the map I though a heavy metal build would be extremely effective, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so. Zerg don't have a lot of options on this map.
You don't possess the knowledge to analyze a map in this manner, but that doesn't mean no one does. Agreed. It's especially easy if the mapmakers themselves say that the map was DESIGNED to give X race advantage in XvX.
wasnt this map supposed to be imba FOR z?
or am i recalling the wrong map.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
That might have been the intention with the neutral creep, but it takes more than that to make Zerg effective, and Baekmagoji has a bunch of elements that make Zerg ineffective
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On October 02 2007 09:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:That might have been the intention with the neutral creep, but it takes more than that to make Zerg effective, and Baekmagoji has a bunch of elements that make Zerg ineffective
oh actually no, it wasnt
LR was right, i was thinking of un'goro crater, which is supposed to be for Z, but savior's been losing on it anyways
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On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos
KTF wins in 4
Wow. Psychic as fuck o_O
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 02 2007 09:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2007 09:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:That might have been the intention with the neutral creep, but it takes more than that to make Zerg effective, and Baekmagoji has a bunch of elements that make Zerg ineffective oh actually no, it wasnt LR was right, i was thinking of un'goro crater, which is supposed to be for Z, but savior's been losing on it anyways
oh ok
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Nice predictions Spiritofthetuna, in hindsight. Can you guess lottery numbers too ? : o
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On October 02 2007 10:13 red.venom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos
KTF wins in 4 Wow. Psychic as fuck o_O
predicting against reach and bong and getting it correct...
phychic indeed ;D.
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On October 02 2007 13:56 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2007 10:13 red.venom wrote:On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos
KTF wins in 4 Wow. Psychic as fuck o_O predicting against reach and bong and getting it correct... phychic indeed ;D.
No, betting against Much 2v2 would've been the long shot.
You heard it here first, Much is the next protoss 2v2 king.
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Any vods?
Yes there are @ Youtube.
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Having watched a few ZvTs on Bakemoji or whatever, it's ridiculous. The early eco Terrans receive just sets them up far too easily to stomp over a zerg in the mid to late game. No zerg I have seen has been able to keep up as the map pretty much nullifies any notion of early pressure of effective lair play for zergs.
Leave bgh for bnet please >
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The 2v2 was nice. Great builds and timing from the CJ team. Zergbong was a little late to defend and got totally crushed before their tech advantage (mutas + goon drop) could kick in. Same for Reach shortly after. ;p
The new 2v2 maps are really good imo.
About Baekmagoji, well... Mass resources can be OK, but not on a map with such an architecture.
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
Just looked at the VODS. XellOs was "praying" before he faced "Lucifer." Ironic huh ! Great win by Flash. He's really something ! Even though CJ totally fucked up my liquibet.
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