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[CJ vs KTF] ShinHan PL s2 10.01.07 - Page 10

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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
October 02 2007 00:17 GMT
#181
On October 02 2007 09:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
GTR: It is entirely possible to analyze a map accurately and determine which matchups are hard.

When I looked at the map I though a heavy metal build would be extremely effective, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so. Zerg don't have a lot of options on this map.

You don't possess the knowledge to analyze a map in this manner, but that doesn't mean no one does.


Agreed.

It's especially easy if the mapmakers themselves say that the map was DESIGNED to give X race advantage in XvX.

ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 02 2007 00:19 GMT
#182
On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos

KTF wins in 4


thats right, bitches

i'm fucking genius
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 02 2007 00:22 GMT
#183
On October 02 2007 09:17 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2007 09:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
GTR: It is entirely possible to analyze a map accurately and determine which matchups are hard.

When I looked at the map I though a heavy metal build would be extremely effective, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so. Zerg don't have a lot of options on this map.

You don't possess the knowledge to analyze a map in this manner, but that doesn't mean no one does.


Agreed.

It's especially easy if the mapmakers themselves say that the map was DESIGNED to give X race advantage in XvX.



wasnt this map supposed to be imba FOR z?

or am i recalling the wrong map.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 02 2007 00:24 GMT
#184
That might have been the intention with the neutral creep, but it takes more than that to make Zerg effective, and Baekmagoji has a bunch of elements that make Zerg ineffective
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 02 2007 00:47 GMT
#185
On October 02 2007 09:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
That might have been the intention with the neutral creep, but it takes more than that to make Zerg effective, and Baekmagoji has a bunch of elements that make Zerg ineffective


oh actually no, it wasnt

LR was right, i was thinking of un'goro crater, which is supposed to be for Z, but savior's been losing on it anyways
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
October 02 2007 01:13 GMT
#186
On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos

KTF wins in 4


Wow. Psychic as fuck o_O
Broom
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 02 2007 02:50 GMT
#187
On October 02 2007 09:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2007 09:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
That might have been the intention with the neutral creep, but it takes more than that to make Zerg effective, and Baekmagoji has a bunch of elements that make Zerg ineffective


oh actually no, it wasnt

LR was right, i was thinking of un'goro crater, which is supposed to be for Z, but savior's been losing on it anyways


oh ok
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 02 2007 04:40 GMT
#188
Nice predictions Spiritofthetuna, in hindsight. Can you guess lottery numbers too ? : o
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 02 2007 04:56 GMT
#189
On October 02 2007 10:13 red.venom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos

KTF wins in 4


Wow. Psychic as fuck o_O


predicting against reach and bong and getting it correct...

phychic indeed ;D.
sAviOr...
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 02 2007 05:34 GMT
#190
On October 02 2007 13:56 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2007 10:13 red.venom wrote:
On October 01 2007 15:32 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
flash > savior
hery > kwanro
cj > ktf
lucifer > xellos

KTF wins in 4


Wow. Psychic as fuck o_O


predicting against reach and bong and getting it correct...

phychic indeed ;D.


No, betting against Much 2v2 would've been the long shot.

You heard it here first, Much is the next protoss 2v2 king.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13425 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-02 05:42:03
October 02 2007 05:39 GMT
#191
Any vods?

Yes there are @ Youtube.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13425 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-02 06:53:54
October 02 2007 06:53 GMT
#192
Having watched a few ZvTs on Bakemoji or whatever, it's ridiculous. The early eco Terrans receive just sets them up far too easily to stomp over a zerg in the mid to late game. No zerg I have seen has been able to keep up as the map pretty much nullifies any notion of early pressure of effective lair play for zergs.

Leave bgh for bnet please >
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-02 15:26:26
October 02 2007 15:17 GMT
#193
The 2v2 was nice. Great builds and timing from the CJ team. Zergbong was a little late to defend and got totally crushed before their tech advantage (mutas + goon drop) could kick in. Same for Reach shortly after. ;p

The new 2v2 maps are really good imo.

About Baekmagoji, well... Mass resources can be OK, but not on a map with such an architecture.
yakii *
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)1448 Posts
October 02 2007 15:51 GMT
#194
VODs!

[CJ vs KTF] ShinHan Pro League Round 2 Week 2
2007-10-01 (Monday), 18:30 @ MBCgame 1830 Korean / 0230 PST

Game 1
(Z)sAviOr[gm] < Baekmagoji > (T)By.Flash

Naver Link


Game 2
(Z)Kwanro[saM] < Un'Goro Crater > (T)Harry Potter Terran

Naver Link


Game 3
(P)Much[gm]/(Z)Sea.Jy < Seongangil > (P)[Oops]Reach/(Z)ZergBOng

Naver Link


Game 4
(T)XellOs[yG] < Blue Storm > (P)Lucifer[Name]

Naver Link


Game 5
Ace Match < Python >
+ Show Spoiler +
No ace match =/
사마난
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
October 02 2007 17:21 GMT
#195
Just looked at the VODS. XellOs was "praying" before he faced "Lucifer." Ironic huh ! Great win by Flash. He's really something ! Even though CJ totally fucked up my liquibet.
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
ViRii
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States826 Posts
October 03 2007 03:39 GMT
#196
http://bluereportcast.com/proleague-recap-cj-entus-vs-ktf-magicns/

5 minute video recap of this match.

Enjoy.
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