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ALLEYCAT BLUES50638 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:35 emperorchampion wrote: Nope it's just good response from terran to counter dirty protoss greed. You of all people would know that cheesy turtle noob is code for flash. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:38 emperorchampion wrote: Just frustrating that protoss is "not allowed" to have a build order that puts them ahead at any point in the game basically, they just have to play a "standard" game and go into late game vs 3/3 mech army I really don't think that's true at all...a build order that puts them ahead...12 nexus? Common man. Protoss has huge build order advantages. They can fast expand - i mean gate first - 1 gate zealot pressure into Robo into reaver with no goon range for example. You're just wrong imo sorry.Not to mention all the gas steal build orders. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Sirris
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Being facetious by being absolutely accurate;) | ||
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TMNT
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On March 30 2022 21:02 Sirris wrote: Vemeer is a great map for Terran for sure. Tight attack chokes unless you move to the middle. Told you Bisu would abuse 12 nexus I heard that Vermeer is designed by Latias with advices from Rush, Hero and Mini to make the next "standard" map after Polypoid. Turns out P has < 40% win rate vs both T and Z on that map. ZvT is still 45% for Z though. Either Mini is useless or there cant be a balanced map for all 3 races. Any "standard" map would just favor Terran while P is just unfavored against anyone. Just a complain about map design in general though. Bisu will just lose to Light in a long series whatever the map pool is. | ||
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emperorchampion
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LG)Sabbath
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:48 emperorchampion wrote: At the end of the day, OK scan/nyoken are both terran mains, it's fine. But on 4 player maps 12 nexus seems like a very reasonable build vs what terran wants to do. Protoss has basically no chance mid-late game once terran gets upgrades so you need to end it before then. I just don't really see it as greedy or dirty, it basically seems standard to me. I don't think they had any real problem with nexus first. I'm a terran favored guy myself and I expected Bisu to open 12 nexus on most of the games. I think I said "Bisu will abuse the 12 nexus" in fact. 12 nexus is an extremely strong build against Terran. It makes terran make a tough choice based on their opener. Either play from behind or try to punish and potentially lose the game right away. I think 12 nexus is a great play by protoss and there is nothing wrong with it. The challenge is how Terran counters it or out plays Protoss after being behind from it. Some Terran haters seemed to think otherwise. But I think this was an amazing series. They might see it as terran being op? | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:55 LG)Sabbath wrote: Bisu is barely top 5 PvT in the world and he almost took down both of the arguably top 2 active TvP players. Stop feeling hopeless about PvT, there's plenty of ways P can fight back these solid macro terrans. Doesn't he literally have the best pvt winrate in asl? (prior to JyJ series I recall this on the broadcast) | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4237 Posts
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Optimate
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:59 Optimate wrote: Series over with? I can’t get on stream. The series is over. Don't look at the thread! You can watch it without being spoiled shortly. | ||
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Optimate
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:57 emperorchampion wrote: Doesn't he literally have the best pvt winrate in asl? (prior to JyJ series I recall this on the broadcast) I don't think he has the best pvt win rate, maybe he does but he is certainly in the top five easily;) I'd say number 3 behind Snow and Best. Despite what the stats say. The stats are misleading imo...the Flash effect. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On March 30 2022 22:00 Optimate wrote: Why liquipedia says bo7 but games stopped at bo5? It was bo 7. They didnt stop at BO5. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:57 emperorchampion wrote: Doesn't he literally have the best pvt winrate in asl? (prior to JyJ series I recall this on the broadcast) Not going by stats, this is just my opinion, I find all of Rain, Snow, Best and possibly Mini more impressive and less bone-headed at PvT. They might be choking on the big stage though. | ||
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emperorchampion
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oxKnu
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On March 30 2022 21:47 TMNT wrote: I heard that Vermeer is designed by Latias with advices from Rush, Hero and Mini to make the next "standard" map after Polypoid. Turns out P has < 40% win rate vs both T and Z on that map. ZvT is still 45% for Z though. Either Mini is useless or there cant be a balanced map for all 3 races. Any "standard" map would just favor Terran while P is just unfavored against anyone. Just a complain about map design in general though. Bisu will just lose to Light in a long series whatever the map pool is. People need to realize that "standard" 4p maps are inherently favorable for Terran. It's always been like this. Obviously this can vary from CB and Polypoid which were marginally favorable to something like Shakuras Temple and Vermeer which are just appalling from a balance point of view. The only real shift in results on these type of maps are at the beginning of a meta shift, for example when Best was spanking Light/Rush/Flash on any of these maps with those new Shuttle/HT heavy strats. However Terran is strong and highly robust and they'll pretty easily figure out the response and restore their advantage on 4p maps. | ||
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