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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
March 31 2022 09:02 GMT
#141
Bisu "retired" once, but ironically the coingate incident kind of made him to come back, so I reckon he won't retire again after a relatively successful season.

That said Bisu is the only player born in the 80s in the Ro8 and one of the oldest players in ASL nowadays. It's actually a testament to his talent that he's still up there with the best players of the modern era.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
April 01 2022 00:40 GMT
#142
How are people still sleeping on Light? He's clearly the best of the four remaining IMO. His TvP is rock solid and his TvZ has consistently been his best matchup for a long time.

Soma and Rain can beat him but I wouldn't be betting against Light.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
April 01 2022 01:54 GMT
#143
I mean there's a reason he's called the invisible terran.
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
April 01 2022 02:18 GMT
#144
On April 01 2022 09:40 RowdierBob wrote:
How are people still sleeping on Light? He's clearly the best of the four remaining IMO. His TvP is rock solid and his TvZ has consistently been his best matchup for a long time.

Soma and Rain can beat him but I wouldn't be betting against Light.

Light is certainly a good player—when he's playing his best, probably #1 in the world. But when I think about his finals vs Queen or his series vs hero last season, I just can't bet on him.

Still, maybe this will be his season. Certainly wouldn't be sad to see him win.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
April 01 2022 04:02 GMT
#145
In those long macro games, it really feels that protoss has little options to address turtle terrain / split map terrans. The failed recalls on game 1 was hard to watch.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-01 06:05:21
April 01 2022 05:50 GMT
#146
On March 30 2022 23:53 Soulforged wrote:
I'd say Rain is still significantly favored against Light, if he makes it to the finals.

I think it's very even personally. Could go either way. I do think that will be the final though. It was a very hard choice between Soma and Rain though. Soma can certainly beat him. I just think Rain has that clutch magic that Soma doesn't. Also the way Rain has been controlling his army.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
April 01 2022 05:54 GMT
#147
On March 30 2022 23:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Light figured out TvP ? It is the first time i see Protoss feeling so weak. Light either full defense or full agro with same results.

I agree it looked like he did. Somehow Light always had an answer...always managed to have enough units in the correct place no matter how bad the game looked for him.
Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
April 01 2022 06:03 GMT
#148
On March 30 2022 23:08 Soulforged wrote:
Since when does 14cc work only against nexus first?

You meant any P opening that late probe scouts / skips zealot / when P doesn't find the Terran before deciding to skip the zealot?

The tank time is the same or even faster than with rax CC open. The bunker is ready in time for the first goon, the scvs can prevent a runby until there's enough marines in the bunker.
There's no answer to a fast zealot, but if P never made a zealot, terran is just really ahead. It is risky, but saying it only works vs 12nex is a bit much.

On the series: Bisu doesn't have good engages in PvT outside of the early game, and he never had them, so the result is not surprising.

It's not that it CAN"T work. It's just unlikely to. A zealot opener presents a lot of problems that are obvious. If they late scout and and go goon first they have options like proxy robo(near the natural) with no shuttle into reaver while pumping goons to quickly crush the bunker before seige is ready. They could could cut probes and get a faster gate depending on the timing of their scout for an overwhelming 2 gate range all in. It takes exceptional crisis management for T to beat a non nexus first opener after going 14 CC. It can be done but it's very very difficult. Flash used to do them back in the day occasionally but it was very map dependent and...well it's flash. It still wasn't easy for him.. Protoss got better at countering them after that point which is why you rarely see them now unless Terran is extremely confident Protoss is going nexus first.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-01 07:18:41
April 01 2022 07:17 GMT
#149
People are sleeping on Light because he is boring as shit as a personality

Even his play he's so goddamn solid and that's what makes him amazing but he's also not that flashy in his play in general

And I'm a light fan I'm just being honest
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
April 01 2022 10:49 GMT
#150
On April 01 2022 16:17 ShowTheLights wrote:
People are sleeping on Light because he is boring as shit as a personality

Even his play he's so goddamn solid and that's what makes him amazing but he's also not that flashy in his play in general

And I'm a light fan I'm just being honest


I honestly don't understand this. Is It some cultural thing, because when I watch Light, he experiments a lot with things like wraiths in tvp etc. With university content he has done stuff like playing with one hand, mass queen vs sk terran (against his wife hahaha) and 2v1 while eating. And then there is this stuff:
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it's not just a music it's something else
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
April 01 2022 12:32 GMT
#151
Last two games were just a brutal beat down. The split map game was on a razor edge - Light was still under control, but uncomfortable at many moments. Only chance Bisu had was to somehow get a lead in the opening or try something funky (DT or quick shuttle-reaver).

Takes a cunning Protoss like mini to take Light down. Rain this season has shown to be quite tricky (although with mixed results) - so maybe he can put up a better fight than Bisu.
gg no re thx
LpTraxamillion
Profile Joined October 2020
265 Posts
April 01 2022 17:19 GMT
#152
You guys are sleeping on Soma. He is a huge favorite to win this ASL and the best player in the world right now
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
April 02 2022 01:41 GMT
#153
Can I suggest Starcast TV Youtube channel to leave out the player's name in their Ro.4 video, some people haven't had a chance to watch all the Ro.8 matches. The Ro.4 match got recommended to me on my main feed and just got spoiled..
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
April 02 2022 03:54 GMT
#154
Definitely Soma is favourites over Rain and Light. No one is undersestimating him. The conversation in this thread largely revolves around PvT - that's the reason why Soma isn't in the spotlight.

Personally, I hope we get a Rain v Light finals. Soma is most devastating with tricky timing builds in mid-game. From a casual viewing perspective, it's not much fun to keep watching hydra/lurker busts in long series. Zerg players able to mix up with great hive play like SK, Action or Larva are more fascinating to watch (besides, we've already watched enough of peak Zero tearing up ASL in past seasons with similar playstyle like Soma).

Soma is the slight favourite to win it all at this point. But just not feeling hyped about that prospect.
gg no re thx
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
April 02 2022 08:37 GMT
#155
Alright, from the games vs Light what I gathered is that Bisu definitely sucks less at BW than in scamming people where he is obviously abysmal. Anyway, these games were rather entertaining and I hope the other Ro4 will deliver, if not surpass this side of the bracket.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
April 02 2022 11:29 GMT
#156
In my opinion Soma is not a favourite to win the ASL, nor is he a favourite to beat Light. Light has always been a better player in tvz than Soma has been in zvt. There's a reason Light has a ~60% win rate vs Soma in spon games consistently. I do think Soma will beat Rain though, but it'll be fairly close.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
April 02 2022 14:29 GMT
#157
At their peak levels, Light will beat Soma. But this season Soma has been hitting top form, while Light's play is rather nervy at times. And if they do meet in the finals, Soma will likely roll the dice rather than play 'standard'. So it's a matter of whether Light can hold his nerves and not go on tilt.
gg no re thx
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
April 02 2022 14:39 GMT
#158
Soma is there with the top but it's too much to say he's the best in the world.
In fact there's no such thing as the best BW player in the world for a long time if you exclude Flash.

There are only a top 10 players right now who clearly stand above the rest but the gaps between themselves are very small. People often read too much into ASL results which are limited in size and dependent on luck, form, match-up,...
The truth is anyone can beat anyone on a given day. Not so long ago Light lost 1-8 to Soulkey and Soma lost 2-7 to Best, for example.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 02 2022 20:23 GMT
#159
Sad day for Bisu but I'm so proud he got this far! I don't wanna say anything, I think he played super solid but terran was rock solid.
Is it me or Light's TvP looks even better now than his TvZ? That's quite evolution for him, TvP was his weak spot all these years which kept him from winning tournaments.
sunbeams are never made like me...
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1240 Posts
April 02 2022 22:21 GMT
#160
Light is not as strong mentally as he is skilled. And a zerg of Soma's caliber and tricks is the kind of player that could take advantage of that. (hello Effort of years past).

The problem with the current scene is that Zergs are consistently overrated because they spank Protoss whenever, wherever, especially in the last 3 years. (yes, Mini's run is the exception).

That being said, in a TvZ, the actual maps (potential imbalances) and meta actually matters more and Terran has been doing well enough to have their best guy (Light) win this season of ASL.
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