EPT[ASL13] Ro4 Day 1 - Page 7
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia984 Posts
You meant any P opening that late probe scouts / skips zealot / when P doesn't find the Terran before deciding to skip the zealot? The tank time is the same or even faster than with rax CC open. The bunker is ready in time for the first goon, the scvs can prevent a runby until there's enough marines in the bunker. There's no answer to a fast zealot, but if P never made a zealot, terran is just really ahead. It is risky, but saying it only works vs 12nex is a bit much. On the series: Bisu doesn't have good engages in PvT outside of the early game, and he never had them, so the result is not surprising. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7221 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia984 Posts
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oxKnu
1268 Posts
On March 30 2022 23:53 Soulforged wrote: I'd say Rain is still significantly favored against Light, if he makes it to the finals. Legitimately laughed out loud at this. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
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Brainojack
Canada195 Posts
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On March 30 2022 21:55 LG)Sabbath wrote: Bisu is barely top 5 PvT in the world and he almost took down both of the arguably top 2 active TvP players. Stop feeling hopeless about PvT, there's plenty of ways P can fight back these solid macro terrans. If onlinestats are taken acount, Bisu is clearly behind Best, Rain, Mini and Snow (who has currently best winrate against terran acording eloboard.net) in pvt. With that being said, Light seemed to have good read on how Bisu was going to play. Looking to it now, I think Light genuinely would rather face Rain than Soma. | ||
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Lazyer
United States402 Posts
On March 30 2022 06:23 Lazyer wrote: My guess is Light 4-2 Bisu light played phenomenally, fun to see hallu used (even if it didn't work out as well) | ||
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TMNT
3414 Posts
On March 31 2022 01:43 Brainojack wrote: I think the term 'throw' is used a bit much, but in game 1 was bisu not waaaay ahead before turfing 60 supply trying to crash through mines and tanks? what's the idea there, trade evenly and out produce Light on the other side of the engagement or simply end the game? Not sure he was even ahead. Maybe slightly ahead before the first big push but that was it. Supply flattered to deceive in that game because his army was pure goons and zealots with 1 Arbiter. Problem is the map is favorable for Terran to defend and expand (hence they always pick it first in TvP). I'd imagine if it was Polypoid Bisu would've busted the 3rd expo at least. After that first push the game was slowly going downhill for Bisu even with his huge bank. The idea was to starve Terran of resources with good trades but Light never allowed Bisu to take one. In recent ASL there was a very similar game between Light and Snow: same split map situation, no weak points from Terran, and Snow kept recalling in vain. In hindsight maybe only a Carrier switch would prove fruition for Protoss. Idk. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
Rain: you need to memorize and count the amount of scvs upon arriving in T's base(which he did while prepping for Eclipse). This way you can tell if T is doing 2 rax and change your build from there. This is knowledge he picked up from losing to Last a long time ago on Match point in ASL ro4 | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 31 2022 06:55 staatbauhaus wrote: Game 2 Eclipse Rain: you need to memorize and count the amount of scvs upon arriving in T's base(which he did while prepping for Eclipse). This way you can tell if T is doing 2 rax and change your build from there. This is knowledge he picked up from losing to Last a long time ago on Match point in ASL ro4 Super interesting. Post more tidbits of their commentary if you can. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
Light thought he was dreaming when he saw an arbiter at 11 minutes right when Bisu was ready to crash his army. He figured Bisu must have had 170 supply but after checking the replay he couldn't believe it was 200/200 supply. He goes on to say most terrans can't stop Bisu's 1a2a3a build even if they know it's coming. The way to have a fighting chance against it is to be at least 150 supply when the toss comes to 1a2a3a into you. Also, you need to have your +1 done, arbiter has to use stasis so toss can't recall, and a 4th cc built ready to float after the fight. If all four objectives are met you're ahead of toss at that point. At 14min if the recall that fell didn't destroy his cc, he would have went on the offensive to push out to kill 9 oclock, tosses front Nexus and mineral only. But due to his cc being destroyed, he was at an economical disadvantage so he split map. Normally with his practice partners, he was able to split map and push out to kill expos but against Bisu he was on full defense mode because Bisu's game movement speed was extremely fast. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1718 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1718 Posts
The disrespect on Rain Literally one of the most successful players in the modern BW Era He can beat Light, soma is clearly the bigger threat | ||
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oxKnu
1268 Posts
On March 31 2022 16:02 ShowTheLights wrote: The disrespect on Rain Literally one of the most successful players in the modern BW Era He can beat Light, soma is clearly the bigger threat I'm a Rain fan actually. I actually think he's the sole bright light in the current batch of Protosses. His PvT is relatively weak, always has been. Today, especially given that he knows less about the meta than guys like Light who haven't stopped playing the game. I'd argue that his PvP and PvZ is considerably superior to his PvT. And this ASL has some of the worst protoss maps when it comes to PvT. So there's no reason to be confident that Rain will do well against Light. If you believe a lot in the mental aspect of the game, then sure, Rain has the edge, always has (except against Flash ofc). I don't care much about that aspect in a Bo7, even if stakes are high. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1718 Posts
On March 31 2022 16:49 oxKnu wrote: I'm a Rain fan actually. I actually think he's the sole bright light in the current batch of Protosses. His PvT is relatively weak, always has been. Today, especially given that he knows less about the meta than guys like Light who haven't stopped playing the game. I'd argue that his PvP and PvZ is considerably superior to his PvT. And this ASL has some of the worst protoss maps when it comes to PvT. So there's no reason to be confident that Rain will do well against Light. If you believe a lot in the mental aspect of the game, then sure, Rain has the edge, always has (except against Flash ofc). I don't care much about that aspect in a Bo7, even if stakes are high. Ah thats fair man great points Awww man I'm sad about Bisu. Really amazing try though I reallyyyyy hope he keeps playing but I'm worried he'll retire soon | ||
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Terrorbladder
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prosatan
Romania9436 Posts
On March 31 2022 17:06 ShowTheLights wrote: Ah thats fair man great points Awww man I'm sad about Bisu. Really amazing try though I reallyyyyy hope he keeps playing but I'm worried he'll retire soon Well , he is seeded for the next ASL  | ||
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