Again, I'm guessing on the map order, wasn't too much information floating around, but this map order is the only logical choice left since they basically went in a circle rotating the maps.
06-12-07 :: GomTV MSL S1 @ Longinus :: Hwasin >> sAviOrInfo 07-02-15 :: GomTV MSL S1 @ Reverse Temple :: Hwasin >> sAviOrInfo 07-02-15 :: GomTV MSL S1 @ Desert Fox :: sAviOr >> HwasinInfo 07-02-15 :: GomTV MSL S1 @ Longinus 2 :: sAviOr >> HwasinInfo 07-02-15 :: GomTV MSL S1 @ BlitzX :: Hwasin >> sAviOrInfo 07-02-15 :: GomTV MSL S1 @ Longinus 2 :: sAviOr >> HwasinInfo
.:: Hwasin :: 진영수(Jin Yung Soo) Race: Terran Team: STX SouL Nickname(s): Red Sniper Stats: Sin Peaks of Baekdu Record: 2 Wins : 3 Loss (40.00%) (Note: 1 Loss vs. Devil[fOu] (Z) at WCG 2007 Korea Qualifiers) Tau Cross: Record: 2 Wins : 1 Loss (66.66%) (Note: 1 Win vs. Devil[fOu] (Z) at WCG 2007 Korea Qualifiers) Python: Record: 3 Wins : 0 Losses (100.00%) (Note: 1 Win vs. Devil[fOu] (Z) at WCG 2007 Korea Qualifiers)
Terran vs. Zerg (TvZ): 44 Wins : 22 Losses (66.67%)
.:: sAviOr :: 마재윤(Ma Jae Yoon)
Race: Zerg Team: CJ Entus Nickname(s): The Maestro Stats: Sin Peaks of Baekdu Record: 3 Wins : 1 Loss (75.00%) (Note: 1 Win vs. Light (T) at WCG 2007 Korea Qualifiers) Tau Cross: Record: 2 Wins : 0 Loss (100.00%) (Note: 1 Win vs. Light (T) at WCG 2007 Korea Qualifiers) Python: Record: 1 Wins : 5 Losses (16.67%) (Note: 1 Loss vs. Light (T) at WCG 2007 Korea Qualifiers)
beyond the gameeee... through the portal into cyber space.... we come to decide our fate... we come to celebrate... at last the moments at hand... beyond the game, beyond the game, the world cyber games...
i think i know a couple more words that rhyme with game... LAME!
Sea with a couple of marines at his nat choke, watching for probes. He finishes his first fact.
First goon out for Free, he sends it out to 2 to preemptively take out a scouting scv. Sea sends another to Free's main, but it blocked by a goon and dies.
Sea done with two facts, both with addon. First tank rolls out.
4 rines and a tank moving out for Sea, Free has 3 goons to push them back.
Sea expanding to his nat and containing Free with siege tanks and mines.
Shuttle out for Free, he has 2 gateways.
Sea setting up camp with mines/turrets and vult/tank at Free's nat. Free loads a shuttle with a reaver and takes a roundabout path towards Sea's main. Sea has a hidden turret and some siege tanks to defend his main min line.
Sea addons to his second fact and starts upgrading something at his first, probably mines.
Free with 2 goons and a lot at Sea's ramp. Sea has 2 vults and a 4 marines to defend. Free snipes a marine before backing off.
Free warps a nexus at his nat and starts a robo facility. Only one gateway.
Sea takes the backentrance out of his base and runs 4 vults towards Free. Free retreats his forces back to his nat. 4 goons and a lot guarding his nat.
Interesting. With the zeal/goon prod at the ramp, Free was able to see Sea's vults (and lack of tank), thus knowing it was 2 fac vult. And so he went 1 gate range expo before robo!
Holy crap nice goon micro from Free. Sea runs 4-5 vults into his nats a lays a ton of mines everywhere. Free demonstrates awesome micro, sniping mines and suiciding his 1 zealot to great effect.
Sea backs off for a bit, before sending in a bunch of new vults. vults split up and 2 manage to make it into Free's main, sniping a couple probes before dying.
Goons coming out for Free, Sea sees 3 goons before his scout scv dies just before reaching Free's main. Sea doesn't see the 2 gates but can probably assume.
Sea gets a bunker at his nat and fills it with rines, his first tank arrives as well. The tank potshots a goon before Free pulls back a bit.
Sea pumping tanks from 1 factory. Free rallying goons and zealots towards Sea's nat!
Free runs right by the bunker! He pops the 2 tanks with no losses! Starts to attack Sea's building CC!
Sea pulls scvs and his marines to drive back the goons. Free suicides the rest of his forces to ensure the CC destruction. Not sure if Sea canceled or if the CC was destroyed.
Sea getting his 3rd factory and Free gets a 3rd gate and a robo facility.
Savior 3 hatch Lair, lings block scv at ramp from scouting. He has 6 lings. Hwasin's CC finished and he has been mining for a while, typical 1 rax CC. Lings chasing scv around.
Hwasin goes fast academy and then adds 2 more raxes.
Savior's Spire just finishing. Hwasin must've watched last night's game, and he stims up rines to repel lings. Savior sends out a drone to expo at corner. 9 mutas just popped, heading out.
Hwasin goes out agin with around 20 mnm. Savior has 9 muta and 2-3 controls of lings still. No sign of hydra or lurk, but he's already started Spire. Hwasin approaching corner expo, goes in!
Savior flanks from top and bottom with mutaling and rapes again, this time with mass ling casualties.
Savio is building ultra cavern and Greater Spire (just finihsed)! But only off of sub-saturated 3 bases. Hwasin pushes out again. He has vessel and nice blob, heading out to Savior's corener expo
Savior ambushes moving blob with 8 guards, picks off a few. Hwasin only has 3-4 vessels total. Ultras out. They engage by themselves with only a few lings.
Then, the guardians arrive a little bit late to mop up, 2 ultras survive. All Hwasin's stuff dies.
Ultras engage army, lings melt, so Savior must eventually retreat his remaining 4 ultras. In the meantime, Savior razes Hwasin's corner expo that was building. Savior sends half a control of ultraling into Hwasin's main, kills a little bit of stuff and finishes off a small stray group in center.
Savior on 4 bases, no sign of defilers. He's going ultraling with some residual scourge and guards. Hwasin's blob is only about 2.5 controls large now. Hwasin's only got his main and nat, building another CC in main though.
No defilers still, Hwasin's got 2 controls of units in the center of the map, more building at home. His new CC lands at the 8 expo. Scv maynard there without Savior knowing. However, the nat just ran dry for Hwasin. Savior still pumping 4 base ultraling.
3.5 control blob heading out to corener expo, decides instead to go to Savior's nat. Savior is out of position, engages at ramp with 4 sunk support. Hwasin survives with 2 controls mnm. However, Savior backstabs Hwasin's main base with 1.5 controls lings, sends lings into his 8 expo too.
Savior used ultradrone (lol) to destroy Hwasin's remaining force. GG.
Heh, Hwasin hung in there relatively well despite Savior running circles around him with his mobility... if he plays like that the next two games, he'll be fine.
Hwasin tried a drop but it failed. In any case, Savior had the scourge and unit spread to stop drops. Hwasin really was pushing out all game to try to pressure and kill expos but Savior just always had the units to stop him.
On August 18 2007 14:37 Ace wrote: Come on Savior ONE MORE GAME AND YOU ARE IN WCG!
He can lose and is in WCG too. Do you think he loses to a P expect Bisu? -.- Stork/Free will get raped @ 3rd place game. (but before HwaSin has to win)
By the way despite my comments Savior probably had around 6 more drones than he did yesterday on Peaks when mutas popped. He played richer today and had that fast carapace going early. Although Savior's initial lings and mutalisks didn't do any damage, Hwasin's first two mnm groups died without dealing damage. Thus, Savior took the lead.
Let me reiterate the crazy thing about the game: Savior played without a hydra den or defiler mound and won. WTF yeah.
Savior drone scouts after pool to wrong main, Hwasin scv scouts at same time to right main. Savior's 12 hatch 11 pool 13 hatch. Savior has sneaky lord hiding at Hwasin's nat, sees the greedy 1 rine CC.
Savior seemed to gas around 16. Hwasin moved out and then back to nat, has 6 rines and gas already, with academy finishing soon and CC finishing at the same time.
8 mutalisks head for Hwasin's base. Hwasin again whores 4 turrets at nat. Savior goes into nat, goes right back out. A small mnm group in Hwasin's main deters muta harass there too.
Savior tries to pick off a turret in Hwasin's main. He kills it and runs out. But Hwasins mnm intercepts their escape. They own 3 mutas or more!
Savior shakes his head, builds a couple more muta and tries to pick off a rine. He's morphing lurkers in the middle of the map and started another expo at the empty 10 main.
Hwasin sends his stuff to middle of map. Savior backstabs! overruns nat. But Hwasin has mass stuff in front of Savior's nat too. He sieges 3 tanks with 2.5 groups mnm support, goes into Savior nat!
Its the worst thing what can happen to sAviOr. He has to play on Python where dark swarm is not that good. Its a really wide open area where you can outrun zerg units. Will be a good game I guess!
Hm, Savior made all those 20ish lings before mutas and they did nothing at all for a long long time. And because he lost those mutas eventually through harass but still decided to replace them, he was low on lurks for the push and decided he couldn't handle it, instead going for the backstab as a desperation move.
On August 18 2007 14:52 G.s)NarutO wrote: Its the worst thing what can happen to sAviOr. He has to play on Python where dark swarm is not that good. Its a really wide open area where you can outrun zerg units. Will be a good game I guess!
Yeah Python seems to be slightly in favor of Terran. I think a power lurkling midgame (like Jaedong style) has more potential on a map like Python given the flanking room and relative weakness of swarm, but you really don't see Savior play that style.
9 POOL SPEED???????? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SAVIOR YOU CRAZY BASTARD EVERYONE CROSS YOUR FINGERS AND CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PRAY (EDIT: FOR SAVIOR, IT'S OBVIOUS)
Savior is ling harassing but Hwasing bunker 2 tiles below CC is in good position to defend. Savior just starts nat expo, loses 3 lings carelessly, goes in for mass lings!
Mass lings attack bunker, many scvs repair and save it. Savior's lost like 16 lings and is screwed now. He decided to pull drones off gas and make 3rd hatch.
He's still running around with a couple lings in Hwasin's main, killed a couple marines.
Hwasin is getting gas now, acad just done.
Savior tried to kill 4 marines with 5 lings and died.
Savior\'s still not mining gas, but Hwasin doesn\'t know about it (unless he scanned). Hwasin decides to go 3 rax off of just his main, building port now.
lol savior with zergling is so good but..... no tech !!! GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Wow, Savior still wasn't mining gas? Yeesh... he might have had a shot if hadn't tried to keep running up the ramp and focused on his econ a touch. I felt like Hwasin was almost giving him the game back.
On August 18 2007 15:06 zer0das wrote: Wow, Savior still wasn't mining gas? Yeesh... he might have had a shot if hadn't tried to keep running up the ramp and focused on his econ a touch. I felt like Hwasin was almost giving him the game back.
Nah, Savior's only hope was using mass ling to exploit a possible huge mistake by Hwasin (like going CC and then mismicroing). He couldn't have droned up in time and survived any of those pushes anyway.
On August 18 2007 15:06 zer0das wrote: Wow, Savior still wasn't mining gas? Yeesh... he might have had a shot if hadn't tried to keep running up the ramp and focused on his econ a touch. I felt like Hwasin was almost giving him the game back.
no, hwasin 100% did the right thing by being passive and just teching off one base
if savior made drones at any point, hwasin's mm would have owned him, so he kept forcing savior to make lings until the eco difference was too much
yeah savior killed those mm groups but the point of those mm wasn't to kill savior, but to make savior make lings instead of drones (or kill savior if savior had made drones)
Tomorrow's games include both the other semifinal, the final, and the 3rd place match. I wonder how much PvZ Stork and Free are practicing.
I hope Free > Stork, Savior > Stork I guess. If Free loses versus Stork which is more likely, Savior's going to have a tougher time winning the 3rd place match.
man, that 9 pool speedling build seems so popular from the 3 spot on python. does anybody know how big the mining difference is? like so severe that progamers don't think they can win straight up vs other pros?
On August 18 2007 15:06 zer0das wrote: Wow, Savior still wasn't mining gas? Yeesh... he might have had a shot if hadn't tried to keep running up the ramp and focused on his econ a touch. I felt like Hwasin was almost giving him the game back.
no, hwasin 100% did the right thing by being passive and just teching off one base
if savior made drones at any point, hwasin's mm would have owned him, so he kept forcing savior to make lings until the eco difference was too much
Yeah, I understand Hwasin was pressuring to force lings, but... meh. Just saying running up the ramp was a pretty hopeless proposition and he might have had a slightly better (still almost zero) chance if he had done something else. But then I thought he had started mining gas a while back. SO MEH.
On August 18 2007 15:07 HaXxorIzed wrote: Beautiful. Now I can be happy Savior hasn't won where Bisu fell and Stork has an exceptional chance to go 1# in KOR WCG, my Protoss fanboy is sated :p
i don't understand why every poll is so one sided in savior's favour every time. realistically, savior has about 50% chance of beating any top terran atm. he's been completely figured out. he's skilled enough to still win, but he'll never dominate again. u can tell he's playing as well as he always has been, but problem is he's always played his own game and he won't change.
i don't understand why every poll is so one sided in savior's favour every time. realistically, savior has about 50% chance of beating any top terran atm. he's been completely figured out. he's skilled enough to still win, but he'll never dominate again. u can tell he's playing as well as he always has been, but problem is he's always played his own game and he won't change.
You are so right, always that same lame 9pool into speedlings! You would say he never varies his builds!
the main reason he stopped being so dominant is that hes trying to diversify his play, when his old solid macro/defense style never really stopped winning. wonder if he was worried people would figure it out or if it stopped working in practice games.
On August 18 2007 22:22 Mango wrote: You are so right, always that same lame 9pool into speedlings! You would say he never varies his builds!
and why would he do that? check his record on python
but yea...he's forced into playing those builds, and he's not nearly as effective with it as his defielr 4 gas play
terrans aren't beating him at will, but they are forcing the game flow vs him at will. it's only due to his nearly-as-remarkable low econ play that he's still winning half his games vs top terrans
for savior to dominate again he needs to start countering other players' play styles
On August 18 2007 22:22 Mango wrote: You are so right, always that same lame 9pool into speedlings! You would say he never varies his builds!
and why would he do that? check his record on python
but yea...he's forced into playing those builds, and he's not nearly as effective with it as his defielr 4 gas play
terrans aren't beating him at will, but they are forcing the game flow vs him at will. it's only due to his nearly-as-remarkable low econ play that he's still winning half his games vs top terrans
for savior to dominate again he needs to start countering other players' play styles
all terran has the same style nowadays in tvz on standard maps fast expo into m&m + tank + vessel
Polls are one-sided in favor of Savior because he's such a well-known player that most people assume he has like a 55% chance of beating even the best Terrans, which is probably true. So they overwhelmingly pick him even though many believe the opponent has a good chance. Thus, as is usual for these kinds of polls, liquibet percentages are generally exaggerations of the chances each player has to win.
Both scout with probes, Stork's is ahead. Stork sees Free's 2 gate and responds with a 2 gate of his own. Stork's 2 gate is a good deal later than Free's.
First lots are out, chasing each other's scout probes around.
Stork getting a cyber core, Free sees it with his probe. Free warps a core as well.
Both expoes finish and both players transfer probes. Large zealot armies for both players, Free has his at his natural guarding his main ramp. Stork has his lots around the map.
First goons pop for Free. They finally kill Stork's scout probe.
Both players with approx even armies of zeal/goon at their nats.
Stork has superior numbers and a HT, he forces Free back to his expo at 3.
Stork charges foward! his army takes some storms but he storms Free right back!
Free loses all of his zeals astonishingly quickly wtf! Stork trying to take Free's base at 3 with zeal/goon! Free blocking the ramp with his goons but they quickly die!
Stork razing Free's base at 3! Free rushes zeal/HT to defend! Zeals and storm kill off Stork's attack before the Nexus can be attacked.
Both players have 3 bases, their mains and nats. Stork has 5 and Free has 3.
Stork attacks Free at 3 again, forces all the probes to flee.
Free attacks Stork's nat instead of defending his expo! Masses of zealots and HTs smash Stork's natural! Storm goes off on Stork's probes and he loses half of them!
Stork retreats his army to defend and Free runs his remaining HTs and lots home.
Stork razes Free's base at 3, but Free clears out the remaining troops there. 3 bases to 2 now.
Both armies skirmish near Free's budding expo at 3. Storm goes off and the armies dance around each other. Stork backs off and retreats to the plateau.
Free charges foward and storm rages through the air! Stork gets off the better storms and the armies trade with Stork coming on top with some archons.
Stork charging north now with a bunch of goon/archon. Free has only quickly macroed lots to defend.
Camera on Free and he gives the shrug of DESPAIR!
Stork attacks Free's base at 3 and Free GGs as his lots are smashed by Stork's goon/archon
The reason for Free's tech being so delayed is because he opted to get a zealot before his core. His zealot arribes at Stork's base just as Stork's first goon pops.
Free tries to harass with his lot, but it dies to Stork's goon and probes.
Both players get their 2nd gateways. Free getting a bunch of zealots.
Stork sends his goon up towards Free's base. Free has a zeal and a goon.
as much as I wanted both players to win, I think this works out for the best. Stork now has a good chance against Hwasin with his monstrous PvT and Free has a good chance with his good PvZ.
Basically, Hwasin opened with 2 fact, and pushed forward with rines + tank. Stork saw hwasin's 2fact with a probe and went 3 gate obs to counter and did a good job dealing with mines. Hwasin then fell asleep and lost 3 tanks and thus was low on units when Stork busted into his main with 7 goons.
hwasin playing it safe above his ramp... stork decides to expand after 4 goons. it'll be slightly later than hwasin's. hwasin adding his 2nd fact and building ebay now after having gone 1 fact cc siege.
stork building robo and citadel now. hwasin is playing pretty safe, prepared for drops and sieged tanks at his exp.
stork's templar archives is finished, up to 4 gates. hwasin not doing much... picks off at probe at 5 that may have been thinking of expanding soon. stork's got an obs into hwasin's base, scouts 3 facts with 1 adding.
OUCH stork loses 5 goons by running into mines! hwasin's pushing out... stork's DT dropping... takes out the only turret in main! hwasin's defenseless there, but is trying to counter
MONSTER mine takes out almost all of hwasin's main probes. stork kills most of hwasin's army, but hwasin breaks through. hwasin just got scan... has a push right in stork's base... raping stork's nat now and sending the attacking scvs home
I thought Stork would win this. Oh well. Now let's hope Savior demolishes Free. Hwasin/Stork/Savior to WCG would be nice (T+Z+P), T+P+P wouldn't be. And Free just isn't such a big name...
just came home from work and went through the thread...why does everyone say that savior-free is next if its 1-1 between hwasin and stork. arent ther gonna play a third game?
Hello TL.net userr, this is my first post. First and foremost, i want to thank all of the staff and others that are working voraciously in maintaining this awesome site. After watching this game between Hawasin and Stork, i was like GG rest of the world at WCG Seattle. Do we have any stanking answer for them? I mean do we have any foreign players that can beat Hwasin? Stork? And what if Savior advances? i dont' even want to think about it. thanks guys!!!
ROFL SAVIOR RAPE I LOVE YOU JESUSZERGGGGG FREE = EMOTOSS go sigh in the corner while you cut your wrists after getting your ass kicked around all night by stork + jesuszerg
On August 19 2007 16:30 SuperJongMan wrote: uh.... -___-;???
We got one guy saying 3 hatch, one guy saying 2 hatch gas. Which? I am just tuning in.
- Ill trust thefeared user ~_~
It was 12 pool 11 hatch 11 gas. 100 gas for speedlings then pull off and constantly pump from 2 hatcheries, then when he built up to 300 minerals, much later, well after the speedling upgrade, savior put down the 3rd hatch. Considering the game length he hardly pumped anything from the 3rd hatch.
free unable to show a good performance after being so strong vs sea. bad pylon placement, inconsistent control, bad timing vs hydras. it's sad cause he looked so strong sometimes. oh well. btw what happened to TheMarine commentator?
On August 19 2007 16:46 iosef wrote: free unable to show a good performance after being so strong vs free. bad pylon placement, inconsistent control, bad timing vs hydras. it's sad cause he looked so strong sometimes. oh well. btw what happened to TheMarine commentator?
man... what was free doing that whole game though. his confidnce must have been SHOT after game 1. he failed in scouting savior (pulling back too early before seeing savior's base)... defended horribly against a handful of speedlings, didn't notice his starport was unpowered for quite a while, and after seeing a fair number of hydras he went too heavily on anti-muta (merging first two temps into archon, 3x cannons in main, no zealot speed).
On August 19 2007 16:46 iosef wrote: free unable to show a good performance after being so strong vs free. bad pylon placement, inconsistent control, bad timing vs hydras. it's sad cause he looked so strong sometimes. oh well. btw what happened to TheMarine commentator?
He's at ER, some kind of heat related sickness (or probably from drinking too much the night before? O.O
On August 19 2007 16:59 Last Romantic wrote: Shit is themarine ok?
I love that guy
Yeah, they said that the condition is nothing serious. The commentatory Fatty Um said that he's fine so i guess he's ok.
good to hear. also, welcome to TL.net! always nice to have residents able to translate so we know what's going on.
On August 19 2007 16:11 philsa wrote: Hello TL.net userr, this is my first post. First and foremost, i want to thank all of the staff and others that are working voraciously in maintaining this awesome site. After watching this game between Hawasin and Stork, i was like GG rest of the world at WCG Seattle. Do we have any stanking answer for them? I mean do we have any foreign players that can beat Hwasin? Stork? And what if Savior advances? i dont' even want to think about it. thanks guys!!!
any prediction for WCG which doesn't involve koreans taking #1 #2 and #3 would rightly be considered insane.
Damn, Stork can be such a moron sometimes. Anyway I think it came out pretty fine, 1 player from each race ready to rape some foreigners. We'll see some diversity this year.
On August 20 2007 05:10 Hot_Bid wrote: imo stork is the most likely of these three to drop a game or even a series to foreigners
sometimes he's fucking awesome, but sometimes he just looks so bad
when does stork look bad? he's been consistent in my eyes - doing good in osl, msl and proleague at the same time - that's better than any other player has been able to do
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