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[ASL11] Ro16 Group B
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Recommended Games + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Soma vs JyJ] + you'll love this if you like TvZ + Show Spoiler [BeSt vs Sharp] + Yes, excellent game. + Show Spoiler [Winner's Game] + + Show Spoiler [Game 1] + watch if you like terrorism. + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + Exciting game all around, well worth a watch. + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + watch if you have time + Show Spoiler [Loser's Game] + + Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Weird gamble into throw. + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + another bizarre set of decisions in this game. + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + blink and you'll miss it. + Show Spoiler [Final Game] + + Show Spoiler [Game 1] + Well worth a watch. + Show Spoiler [Game 2] + "Wow, how did [Winner] win this battle?" -Scan + Show Spoiler [Game 3] + | ||
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On April 27 2021 14:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: Soma is a beast Indeed he is. | ||
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I think Soma will qualify first. Then Best, because he has to deal with terrans! His PvT is still one of the best ! Tho, he had to play vs JyJ ... and lost ! But now it's time for revenge ! LB: Soma and Best ! | ||
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1-3 in the semis of ASL9, he's played these two exclusively. Hence the winrate, I guess. | ||
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ASL11 rocks! | ||
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Especially during those midgame pushes where it is GG if a defiler gets in range and the Terran always irradiated en route? Probably too much gas investment for the midgame since u need to rush consume but after that in the lategame it would make sense to at least store defilers in ovies. Moving ultras to a base? Grab 4 overlords and put a defiler in 1, unload when in position. Slight apm cost but would be worthwhile imo. Faster than burrow and u have mobility. Anyways Soma big threw that game. Worst muta split of all time when he was close to finishing the game | ||
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On April 27 2021 19:45 SwordM13X24 wrote: Battlecruiser range abuse to snipe the Gas looks brutal! Yea trash map for Zerg vs that bs. They can keep out of plague and hydra range. That is partially why hero and a lot of other zergs are playing hydra defiler on that map. Kind of absurd that zerg basically needs 5 gas to take on a 3 base Terran since they have to pay for ultras, defilers, and scourge. Soma was floating 3k mins with zero gas | ||
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On April 27 2021 19:51 ggsimida wrote: eh did sharp did somthing illegal? But that wasn't gas walk.. just a shift click on the minerals | ||
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both reavers killed by a mine  | ||
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Use your observers , Best !! | ||
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ggsimida
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On April 27 2021 20:19 prosatan wrote: Can't even remember a game with P losing so much to mines... Use your observers , Best !! in addition to best's neglience u have to give credit to sharp for being proactive with mining+ attacking best's reinforcement route to snipe hts | ||
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Bests observer handling/lack of obs is disturbing though ~_~ so Soma/Best advancing already impossible -- | ||
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prosatan
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On April 27 2021 20:22 ggsimida wrote: in addition to best's neglience u have to give credit to sharp for being proactive with mining+ attacking best's reinforcement route to snipe hts yes, 100% true... I feel bad for Best.. | ||
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oxKnu
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Best played at 60-65% of his online-self. As usual. | ||
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On April 27 2021 20:25 BLinD-RawR wrote: also praise the spinning vulture. We have to pick a song for that one, don't we | ||
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On April 27 2021 20:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Is a Terran day i guess.Rip LB Yes...mine too eon....I might score 0/2 haha | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 27 2021 20:26 TaardadAiel wrote: We have to pick a song for that one, don't we send the clip to tank. | ||
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On April 27 2021 20:36 TaardadAiel wrote: Sharp's apm spam, rofl haha again with 700+ apm  | ||
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On April 27 2021 20:24 prosatan wrote: Best... why ??? With your amazing macro...how can u take so much damage from those mines ? The problem is if he slowly clears those mines with Observer, it will take forever for his army to get where it needs to, let alone the apm dedicated to that task. If Terran lays mines all over the map like that, Protoss mobility becomes a myth. At that point of the game, Gatewayman is no longer a viable option. | ||
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oxKnu
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On April 27 2021 21:02 prosatan wrote: Getting ready for a chess game ! That's a great idea. Even if I hate chess, I still like it more than TvT! | ||
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On April 27 2021 21:41 TMNT wrote: The problem is if he slowly clears those mines with Observer, it will take forever for his army to get where it needs to, let alone the apm dedicated to that task. If Terran lays mines all over the map like that, Protoss mobility becomes a myth. At that point of the game, Gatewayman is no longer a viable option. To a point, yes. However in that game, the balance was way all over to the Terran. | ||
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Ikirouta
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On April 27 2021 21:44 oxKnu wrote: To a point, yes. However in that game, the balance was way all over to the Terran. Gotta remember that Best was also constantly making shuttles off of 1 robo. So less time to make obs, every obs he loses hurts much more. | ||
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On April 27 2021 21:49 Ikirouta wrote: Gotta remember that Best was also constantly making shuttles off of 1 robo. So less time to make obs, every obs he loses hurts much more. And making arbiters, and making templars, that were getting decimated by vults. So overall he was playing through mollases all game. | ||
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On April 27 2021 22:29 ggsimida wrote: soma play seems uninspired today they were inspired, inspired by some weird ideas. | ||
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On April 27 2021 22:29 BLinD-RawR wrote: they were inspired, inspired by some weird ideas. hes solid but always felt his preparatory game/mindgame was the edge that alllowed him to perform so well offline till far (to the point of getting 2 ro4s and 1 finals appearance). its more standard today though, it was more disappointing to see than him being kicked out here. i was sort of expecting his dip in form since its difficult for anyone barring flash to maintain such high level of results for so long. | ||
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On April 27 2021 22:59 kaspa84 wrote: I am sad that Afreeca doesn't work for me. Is it still the first game of Best vs Sharp? Final match. | ||
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On April 27 2021 22:55 prosatan wrote: MAKE OBSERVERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 robo, using all gas for HT and making shuttle all the time = low observer count. | ||
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On April 27 2021 19:47 LpTraxamillion wrote: I've been thinking lately, why don't zergs start researching speed and transport their defilers (and also store their defilers in) overlords? Especially during those midgame pushes where it is GG if a defiler gets in range and the Terran always irradiated en route? Probably too much gas investment for the midgame since u need to rush consume but after that in the lategame it would make sense to at least store defilers in ovies. Moving ultras to a base? Grab 4 overlords and put a defiler in 1, unload when in position. Slight apm cost but would be worthwhile imo. Faster than burrow and u have mobility. Anyways Soma big threw that game. Worst muta split of all time when he was close to finishing the game Yesterday I was watching Eon have a crazy mined out late game vs protoss where he was doing plague drops with overlords | ||
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I just realized that they played on the second round. I know they are in the deciders match, but which game it is? How is the score if it's the second game? Thanks. | ||
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-Scan Nice build, best. | ||
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On April 27 2021 23:25 weiliem wrote: Best is playing such bad PvT whole series, then suddenly he broke sharp's push and won the game 🤨 Confused He was down in upgrades, too. His micro has been sloppy but his macro is still solid. I think game 2 was decided by that arbiter timing. During the final battle he had four arbiters. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/93B5U18.png) half man half horse, best of the best. | ||
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On April 27 2021 23:41 Qikz wrote: Ex-SKT still best KT. MBCGame Hero best KT. | ||
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On April 27 2021 23:42 weiliem wrote: Happy for Best but he's gonna have to play much better to go further..... Its wierd seeing a Best who played amazing PvZ and bad PvT in the same day, is he Bisu? Valid point, that looked like Bisu in today's PvTs. Those army engagements were on point though, I don't think he lost one badly: he either traded or crushed the fight. | ||
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Soulforged
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Not unusual to see them play a lot vs one race in a tournament, produce great games, then lose to a different race player that they consistently beat in spons. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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Excellent games GGs | ||
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I am big on hero though I think he has a chance to go deep | ||
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RKC
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Last season had 4Z in QF, 3Z in SF, 2Z in Finals (and Z were being knocked out by other Z - except for Flash in 3rd/4th match placing). The only interesting highlight for me during the entire elimination stage was Flash's random (and maybe soma's run from a narrative perspective). ZvZ is just plain boring (maybe it's an acquired taste). ZvP were just tragic smackdowns. I'm looking forward for less Zerg in this ASL. That said, I have a feeling that Larva/Effort (or both!) will advance, and Zero will very likely hang on till SF at minimum (funny feeling is that he'll luck out with an ez QF draw given this season's unpredictability). Ultimately, it would be nice to have diversity. But between two extremes, I would rather have a Zerg-free season of TvP and TvT (rather than a Zerg fiesta of ZvP and ZvZ). | ||
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On April 28 2021 08:03 LpTraxamillion wrote: Concerned we might only get 1 zerg in the ro8 I am big on hero though I think he has a chance to go deep One of larva/effort, if not both, will get out of group c. Both too strong at ZvP. | ||
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Djabanete
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Both Group A and Group B have been phenomenal. LOTR-style epic battles is right. Bo3 >>> the old OSL format. | ||
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On April 29 2021 14:11 Djabanete wrote: BESSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Both Group A and Group B have been phenomenal. LOTR-style epic battles is right. Bo3 >>> the old OSL format. I way prefer the OSL round robin bo1 format for the Ro16, I wish we had a tournament that still used it | ||
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Djabanete
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On April 29 2021 23:07 Qikz wrote: I way prefer the OSL round robin bo1 format for the Ro16, I wish we had a tournament that still used it Hahah that was such a zany format! It always seemed odd to me that the fate of Player A often hinged on the outcome of Player B vs Player C. I remember someone making a "comic" out of photos of Flash and Jaedong from Fomos. They're both wearing fancy suits and Flash is explaining that even though he's down 0-2, he's still alive in the tournament --- he just needs Horang2 to beat Kal, and then Flash needs to win his third match, and then Flash needs to win the tiebreak match. And Jaedong is examining his cuff saying "Still, it is difficult for Horang2 to beat Kal..." (IRL he was probably saying "dang, I've never worn a suit before...") Anyone still know where to find that? Oh yeah and the tiebreaks. There was no way to guarantee that a 3-way tiebreak match couldn't go on until the end of time. The record was a tiebreak match that re-tied three times before getting broken on the fourth tiebreak, wasn't it? Still, I can see the upside. Players had a LOT of time to prepare for each individual match. There wasn't a single Ro16 game where a player hadn't had a chance to craft a plan for that specific opponent on that specific map. | ||
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GoTuNk!
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On April 30 2021 02:26 Djabanete wrote: Hahah that was such a zany format! It always seemed odd to me that the fate of Player A often hinged on the outcome of Player B vs Player C. I remember someone making a "comic" out of photos of Flash and Jaedong from Fomos. They're both wearing fancy suits and Flash is explaining that even though he's down 0-2, he's still alive in the tournament --- he just needs Horang2 to beat Kal, and then Flash needs to win his third match, and then Flash needs to win the tiebreak match. And Jaedong is examining his cuff saying "Still, it is difficult for Horang2 to beat Kal..." (IRL he was probably saying "dang, I've never worn a suit before...") Anyone still know where to find that? Oh yeah and the tiebreaks. There was no way to guarantee that a 3-way tiebreak match couldn't go on until the end of time. The record was a tiebreak match that re-tied three times before getting broken on the fourth tiebreak, wasn't it? Still, I can see the upside. Players had a LOT of time to prepare for each individual match. There wasn't a single Ro16 game where a player hadn't had a chance to craft a plan for that specific opponent on that specific map. Usually a "long time to plan a bo1" involved a cleverly crafted cheese. BO3 format seems a lot better, games were more similar to long games on KCM race wars | ||
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Djabanete
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On April 30 2021 02:41 GoTuNk! wrote: Usually a "long time to plan a bo1" involved a cleverly crafted cheese. BO3 format seems a lot better, games were more similar to long games on KCM race wars I really enjoy cleverly crafted cheese strategies, but I don't enjoy seeing players go home disappointed after playing a single six-minute game. Bo3s give players more chances to show what they've prepared and to claw their way back after a loss, if they're able, so I'm with you on that. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On April 30 2021 04:26 Djabanete wrote: I really enjoy cleverly crafted cheese strategies, but I don't enjoy seeing players go home disappointed after playing a single six-minute game. Bo3s give players more chances to show what they've prepared and to claw their way back after a loss, if they're able, so I'm with you on that. bo3 DE all the way it's obviously a better format | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 30 2021 04:26 Djabanete wrote: I really enjoy cleverly crafted cheese strategies, but I don't enjoy seeing players go home disappointed after playing a single six-minute game. Bo3s give players more chances to show what they've prepared and to claw their way back after a loss, if they're able, so I'm with you on that. prepare what? there are too many maps to prepare for and the selection is double blind, they don't have picks, only bans. why do you think FS is even on the map map pool. | ||
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Djabanete
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On April 30 2021 16:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: prepare what? there are too many maps to prepare for and the selection is double blind, they don't have picks, only bans. why do you think FS is even on the map map pool. Are you saying they don't prepare for their Ro16 matches? That would be crazy. Sure, this format has a lot more uncertainty than the old OSL format, where you had a week or more (?) to prepare one game on one map against one opponent. In this ASL format, your first game is like that, and then you have back-to-back Bo3s; the first is against one of two possible opponents, and the second is against one of three possible opponents, and in each Bo3 you know that 3 out of 4 possible maps will come up. That's a lot of uncertainty, but also a lot of information on which to base strategies. Do correct me if I've misunderstood any part of the process. I've struggled with stage nerves in my profession. I don't think I'm anomalous --- I don't fall apart under pressure, but I can only deliver 85--90% until I've had a chance to limber up. Many seasoned performers are the same way. (Sharp was definitely nervous against Shuttle in ASL S1 finals. Heck, Sharp even built a double ebay against Best in this series. Jangbi misplaced his forge against Luxury in the MSL finals, and Jangbi is a boss. One of my professional mentors has won a world competition and said he was literally shaking at the start.) Some people can deliver 98% as soon as they're on the stage, but very few people are at 100% from the very start. Jaedong may be. You need to give people a few minutes or you won't see their 100%. So I don't like Bo1s as a way of eliminating players. The feeling of going home after 5 minutes of underperforming is just the worst. Naturally, overcoming nerves is part of being a progamer. If it's too big a problem for you, you just won't get far. Supposedly that's Jaehoon's deal. But as a spectator who enjoys seeing great SCBW, I want to see people get in the zone and play well. I don't want a format that *specifically selects* for people who are 100% from the get-go and punishes the others, because there are just too many other skills I'd rather select for. Any day, I'll take a format where someone who can do 95% from the get-go has a decent chance to advance. Of course, I don't mind a format where you know in advance exactly who your opponent is and what maps you'll play on. The GSL format (the BW GSL that Jaedong/Bisu/Flash won) was like that, as you recall, with no groups, just single elimination in a BoX. That was a good format too. | ||
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oxKnu
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If anything, the BO1 incentivizes them to keep a good build for each map from each other and bust that out in tournament play. Soma right now has the best online results out of any BW player and he got eliminated. Outlines how open the field really is in a Flash-less tournament. The format wouldn't change that very much. The format is always designed to fit in the broadcast not the other way around. | ||
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Get rekt SoMa, your winrate this season is 0%. Pros who said Sharp is one of the "tasty meat" on group ceremony must be ashamed right now. Sharp's vulture control and mine placement were superb against BeSt! And he proved it in first and final games. But I never expected that BeSt is going to win two last games, especially that 2nd game it was incredible! He's still looking sexy please BeSt, win an ASL, it's about time!!! | ||
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Sirris
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On May 04 2021 21:15 outscar wrote: FlaSh being God again by predicting that JyJ is the future of terran because he played like he was on steroids. What a masterful TvT! Destroying best 2nd zerg SoMa and dismantling Sharp who is in form? Who could expect him to come this far. Get rekt SoMa, your winrate this season is 0%. Pros who said Sharp is one of the "tasty meat" on group ceremony must be ashamed right now. Sharp's vulture control and mine placement were superb against BeSt! And he proved it in first and final games. But I never expected that BeSt is going to win two last games, especially that 2nd game it was incredible! He's still looking sexy please BeSt, win an ASL, it's about time!!! I just want to say that a lot of the things the players say in the group selection are in a very joking manner. You can't take it too seriously  Of course they know that Sharp is a great player. Just like in MMA fights or boxing matches etc they do some trash talk for fun to get people hyped for the games. I'm sure in reality all of the players who are still playing brood war at this level have a lot of respect for each other.I agree with you about Best, he seems better than he's ever looked, but I think it's going to be very very difficult. I wish him the best though | ||
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On May 04 2021 21:15 outscar wrote: FlaSh being God again by predicting that JyJ is the future of terran because he played like he was on steroids. What a masterful TvT! Destroying best 2nd zerg SoMa and dismantling Sharp who is in form? Who could expect him to come this far. Get rekt SoMa, your winrate this season is 0%. Pros who said Sharp is one of the "tasty meat" on group ceremony must be ashamed right now. Sharp's vulture control and mine placement were superb against BeSt! And he proved it in first and final games. But I never expected that BeSt is going to win two last games, especially that 2nd game it was incredible! He's still looking sexy please BeSt, win an ASL, it's about time!!! Best prob has 5% equity to win, but that would go up substantially if JyJ is able to beat zero | ||
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