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[ASTL2] Playoffs, Round #2
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
I actually think carayiyo is the favorite to win the whole thing in bo7 | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1706 Posts
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 09:37 LpTraxamillion wrote: Bo7 is going to obviously be much more difficult for Login since Zero's games are weighted less I actually think carayiyo is the favorite to win the whole thing in bo7 Yep, I agree with this, but at the same time Best and Shuttle can lose against anyone.Or they can plow through anyone too. It's that kind of team, incredibly high ceiling with possible head-scratching losses. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
On February 21 2021 14:07 ShowTheLights wrote: so stupid that there was no english stream for this league yeah well.. it sucks but what can you do.. will still enjoy the games K(C)arariyo FTW! | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
Nevermind. This is a 50/50 all day, every day. | ||
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
miso >rb< shuttle zero >benzene< best stork >poly< jyj >shakuras< >eclipse< >benzene< | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 19:09 RowdierBob wrote: If I'm Snow, I sacrifice JyJ to Zero and hope to pick up the other three sets. Do they really have a choice though or do they select their orders blind? Maybe they take turns selecting who plays who? Disappointed with rush that game, Login needed that. I'm sensing a 4-1/4-2 carariyo | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 19:41 MinixTheNerd wrote: might be a situation where zerO all kills team post game 4. Is he allowed to play all of those games? I figured noone could play more than twice but that was just my assumption. If that is an option zer0 still has a good chance here | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
Stork is so much better as a first option: can win any PvP and would be favorite against JyJ. If he wins the first game it offers Zero so much room to maneuver and get two wins against JyJ/any P in 2 games down the road. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 19:09 RowdierBob wrote: If I'm Snow, I sacrifice JyJ to Zero and hope to pick up the other three sets. JyJ might have the best chance vs zero, u see what he did to Larva last astl set? All the other players are toss | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
On February 21 2021 19:41 LpTraxamillion wrote: Do they really have a choice though or do they select their orders blind? Maybe they take turns selecting who plays who? Disappointed with rush that game, Login needed that. I'm sensing a 4-1/4-2 carariyo This is a good point. :D Although I imagine based on which is race is strong on which map you can prob make a solid guess of who comes when. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 19:49 LpTraxamillion wrote: Still can't believe Rush just threw away 5 tanks for nothing instead of snipping that nexus and a few more units. He would still be behind but not nearly as much; could have still had a chance. Can't recall a bigger blunder I've seen in a pro game in a while He was still lost in that game I think. The bigger blunder was Zero sending him as first option imo. Such an unnecessary risk that could turn out to decide the overall series. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
At least 4-2? Been their best player after Zero. Great game from him, I liked the drone heavy greedy open, got the macro pumping | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:07 nojok wrote: Lol dancing after struggling ages with a 20 supply advantage as zerg. That engagement in front of shuttle's 3rd was so bad, first let dragoons kill some lurkers for free, then move hydra forwards out of range of the 12 lurkers behind, then let said lurkers be cleaned up. His control isn't the best and he could have won earlier and easier just setting up a proper lurker contain up 20 supply, but hey, I will take it. Some things he actually did really clean that game like army positioning etc. Agreed though I was cringing pretty hard at that, it took him so long to react I thought he was worried about getting stormed or something but you can't just let dragoons kill that many lurkers for free | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:08 LpTraxamillion wrote: His control isn't the best and he could have won earlier and easier just setting up a proper lurker contain up 20 supply, but hey, I will take it. Some things he actually did really clean that game like army positioning etc. Yeah he punished any zealots runbys very cleanly, great work against sairs too. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2593 Posts
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:25 chongu wrote: Best is in very good form lately. Hope he gives Zero a whopping or a challenge. Zero is playing at a level that I have never seen before in this game. It's unbelievable. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
That massive surround to take the centre of the map was amazing. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
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jjmmtt
Australia995 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:40 nojok wrote: I would happily watch a bo9 between those two. That massive surround to take the centre of the map was amazing. That was the scariest thing to see on the map. Gave me chills. | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:41 LpTraxamillion wrote: Zero really is just on another level Yes. So one-sided. Zero is the best ZvP player of all time. All eras, all everything. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:28 oxKnu wrote: Zero is playing at a level that I have never seen before in this game. It's unbelievable. I been saying for a while now he is playing peak starcraft, only Flash has ever hit a similar skill peak. Pre military he was 250 APM player but clean APM, good lategame, solid top10 player. After military he is faster, plays like 350+ now but it is still super clean, plays aggressively, strats, tactics, micro, macro, all impeccable. Hardly makes a mistake | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 20:43 jjmmtt wrote: That was the scariest thing to see on the map. Gave me chills. I was actually worried for him after Best was getting his 4th up because usually zergs set up the contain in mid earlier like the game Beast kind of blew last week. But then I realized he was just waiting for the defilers to come online and then he absolutely took over. Even stuffing all of the drop attempts in the middle of everything else going on. Only thing that gave him trouble that game was Sair annoyance but he had enough money for that not to really matter | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:04 RowdierBob wrote: Matchups have been tough for team Snow today. Whoever chose to sacrifice Best against Zero needs to forfeit their money as a sign of apology for burying the team in this series. Also Shuttle needs to hide himself for a few days. He wins 80% of games again Miso usually (they play all the time), plus the game was played on Ringing Bloom (notorious for actually being good for P). | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
I still think Jyj should have taken a 3rd and also dropped stork's third. The 3rd base on that map is way better to drop than the main because of the pylon walls on both ramps even though it takes a lot longer to get there without being intercepted. Wasnt even a cannon. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:08 oxKnu wrote: Whoever chose to sacrifice Best against Zero needs to forfeit their money as a sign of apology for burying the team in this series. Also Shuttle needs to hide himself for a few days. He wins 80% of games again Miso usually (they play all the time), plus the game was played on Ringing Bloom (notorious for actually being good for P). Yea that was a terrible game from Shuttle. His PvZ is usually among the best actually. Agree they should have just put their weakest player on Zero and focus on the others; especially in bo7 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
If he loses do you think Login should throw Zero out for game 6 (vs snow?) Or game 7 (vs Jyj?) | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:21 LpTraxamillion wrote: Let's see if Rush can redeem himself here If he loses do you think Login should throw Zero out for game 6 (vs snow?) Or game 7 (vs Jyj?) The series is already over even if Best somehow eeks this one out, which looks unlikely at this point. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
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Sorusaba
294 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
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Sorusaba
294 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:31 Ziggy wrote: -.- you win some you lose some. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13305 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
Really didn't expect the reverse sweep after g1 | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
I'm hearing that Flash has terrible wrist pain and might not be able to perform in the finals.He hasn't streamed in 10 days at least. GGs LoginMedia team though. Zero and Rush are the best players at the moment in Korea and their team was well assembled from the start. | ||
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LpTraxamillion
265 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:38 oxKnu wrote: Terrible series management by Carariyo. The results were not surprising in the context of Carariyo underperforming. I'm hearing that Flash has terrible wrist pain and might not be able to perform in the finals.He hasn't streamed in 10 days at least. GGs LoginMedia team though. Zero and Rush are the best players at the moment in Korea and their team was well assembled from the start. Soma, light are up there too and have to include a healthy flash | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:42 LpTraxamillion wrote: Soma, light are up there too and have to include a healthy flash Not Soma, flashy ASL performances but his level online has never reached the level that would match that, especially recently. Would be hard to argue against Light though, so solid for such a long time. | ||
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TMNT
3117 Posts
On February 21 2021 21:08 oxKnu wrote: Whoever chose to sacrifice Best against Zero needs to forfeit their money as a sign of apology for burying the team in this series. Also Shuttle needs to hide himself for a few days. He wins 80% of games again Miso usually (they play all the time), plus the game was played on Ringing Bloom (notorious for actually being good for P). But, isn't the case that both teams don't know the line-up of each other? They can only predict and put a team order out there, hoping everyone gets the best match up they could get. Maybe Karariyo think Rush is the 3rd player from Login. Anyway, likewise with Shuttle vs Miso, Best has a win rate of ~70% against Rush in 2021. I'd say they're both underperforming/unlucky today, though I know Best has a reputation of being a choker. | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On February 21 2021 22:05 TMNT wrote: But, isn't the case that both teams don't know the line-up of each other? They can only predict and put a team order out there, hoping everyone gets the best match up they could get. Maybe Karariyo think Rush is the 3rd player from Login. Anyway, likewise with Shuttle vs Miso, Best has a win rate of ~70% against Rush in 2021. I'd say they're both underperforming/unlucky today, though I know Best has a reputation of being a choker. Yes, if this was randomly drawn, meaning each team had to send the first 4 players without knowing the map order even, then obviously Carariyo got unlucky. They could have easily won this 4-2 on a different day. At this point it's getting pretty obvious that Best can only play at 75-80% of his skill in a live setting. Unfortunately pressure is one hell of a beast for those that can't keep it at bay when it matters. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
 at least i got my stork game, but he could have been sleeping on his keyboard and won vs jyj... randomly losing all the tanks before the carriers are even in the fight was a huge misstep. and poor best, sacrificed to the zerg god and then crumbled under pressure in g5. was hoping to see some DA action against the defilers, but i can keep dreaming haha. | ||
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andertalets77
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