On July 11 2007 02:02 Manifesto7 wrote: Jaedong is + Show Spoiler +
already in good form today, having already stomped Boxer in Proleague.
He might be tired after two sets in one day though.
No offense, but progamers play how many practice games a day? I don't think it should be a factor. They definetly have stamina, but who knows, tv pressure and all could kill it I suppose.
On July 11 2007 02:02 Manifesto7 wrote: Jaedong is + Show Spoiler +
already in good form today, having already stomped Boxer in Proleague.
He might be tired after two sets in one day though.
No offense, but progamers play how many practice games a day? I don't think it should be a factor. They definetly have stamina, but who knows, tv pressure and all could kill it I suppose.
Yeah I dont think it will be a huge deal, which is why I only wrote it might be. That being said, it is a far cry from playing BW in your underwear in your own comfy chair.
On July 11 2007 02:02 Manifesto7 wrote: Jaedong is + Show Spoiler +
already in good form today, having already stomped Boxer in Proleague.
He might be tired after two sets in one day though.
No offense, but progamers play how many practice games a day? I don't think it should be a factor. They definetly have stamina, but who knows, tv pressure and all could kill it I suppose.
Yeah I dont think it will be a huge deal, which is why I only wrote it might be. That being said, it is a far cry from playing BW in your underwear in your own comfy chair.
hmm underwear Jaedong...I want to see that..
But I hope Jaedong smashes this bitch up. Sea looks like a fucking pit bull puppy -_-. (And he plays like wannabe iloveoov...without the foresight in my opinion..) 2-1 Jaedong.
No I'm not gay I think Jaedong would just look funny in underwear k.
On July 11 2007 03:27 alffla wrote: hm i rather see sea as a more aggressive player than oov is
macro lol..well every progamer has to macro well or GGnORE :|
I find his macro to be his strongest element and better than most terran progamers. But still not as good as iloveoov is all im saying. His TvZ is aggressive, but his games vs P and T...mixed bag, similiar style to iloveoov. Timing mid-game assaults, not aggressive like casy's TvT intro, or even Iris's TvP pushes. He is like..the ABC 123 Terran. A common iloveoov form I see in so many terrans these days. Personal opinion, i like terrans who go outside the box, sea.up and his formless methods..so interesting. But I can see why you may like him and I'll just draw the line there.
Uh-oh, the Overlord for 4th seed? Thats what that one fan thought
Holy... All in move for Sea... Has to bust through like 10 sunkens though ;P He does it and looks in good position to win this thing. Perfect timing, right inbetween lair and finiashed spire.
Sea floats an scv into the center lane and starts a cc...jaedong 13 hacthcing near the center mineral wall then expanding to his nat with a floated drone! Nice build by jaedong for vs 14 cc.
1 rax refinery play from sea so far. Jaedong adding in a pool and extractor. Jaedong's overlord sees the SCVs being Maynarded to Sea's middle expo. Sea is scouting down the middle path. Factory has begun for Sea. Jaedong also made an expo in the middle path, didn't see that. So 3 hatcheries for Jaedong. A rush would be perfect for Jaedong right now .
Sea has a halfway completely factory as he scouts jaedong...lings chasing scv. Fact is done..sea starts another fact...going mech. Sea minging away the north mineral path, looks to be taking another quick base..ahhh sea coming with 16 or so speedlings! sea has very little marine..ahhh sending more speedling! Sea is in trouble!
That was fairly well done by jaedong..he had started lair and had only 4 lings when he killed the scouting scv. This allowed him to hide his speedling mass just long enough to win. Sea left himself wide open though.
I dunno, I don't think sea's macro in the future..after much damage from zerglings..could keep up with a fluid and solid economy going for zerg from his main and nat. I would expect running around with scvs no speed vult to counter, but he would still lose, be overwhelmed by hydra or muta later on.
On July 11 2007 03:59 GTR-2-Go wrote: what a premature gg lol
Ummm no--? It was like 16 speedlings vs 3 marines...with another huge group of speedlings on the way...not to mention sea's marines were completely out of position and got slaughtered. SO it was just scvs vs mass speedling. Probably GG yes?
On July 11 2007 03:59 GTR-2-Go wrote: what a premature gg lol
Ummm no--? It was like 16 speedlings vs 3 marines...with another huge group of speedlings on the way...not to mention sea's marines were completely out of position and got slaughtered. SO it was just scvs vs mass speedling. Probably GG yes?
On July 11 2007 03:59 GTR-2-Go wrote: what a premature gg lol
Ummm no--? It was like 16 speedlings vs 3 marines...with another huge group of speedlings on the way...not to mention sea's marines were completely out of position and got slaughtered. SO it was just scvs vs mass speedling. Probably GG yes?
2 hatch muta for jaedong. Ok damage..it just looked like mutas spitting on a few units here and there. But its all fine. Jaedong playing dangerously aggressive and low eco here.
Jaedong's muta now showing strength, bombarding sea's main constantly, turrets lay in rubble, sea's remaining forces on his other command come to repeal off against the raiding force, but the cunning muta quickly lay waste. Sea rebuilds and rebuilds until the muta are finalyl repelled.
muta catches marines and medic in the middle of the map, jaedong running a new hatch from top left main, kills a few of the center marines, ignores the later, and goes to harass sea's main for more. Killing turrets effectively, very nice precision. But sea teching now, if he gets vessels and great numbers of tanks, this is over.
So far, looking like that old msl prelim game vs luxury on reverse temple...
Smart tactics at the natural base, cut off marines on the ramp, creating a splash effect and hitting the marines hard in the clumped area. cc no longer running there.
As much as I love jaedong I can't give him all the credit for this even though his muta micro was nice, sea played truly aweful throughout the game =(.
On July 11 2007 04:26 QibingZero wrote: Two fast uneventful games followed by 15 minutes of marines fighting mutalisks. I can hardly contain my excitement. =P
Sea acted poorly -.- He had a big advantage when Jaedong had only 2 hatches, very low drone count and kept losing mutas, but Sea messed up... instead of going around his minerals in a nice formation he kept sending them through his workers and minerals where they got stuck all the time and were easily picked off, making him unable to gather a sufficient force
On July 11 2007 04:26 QibingZero wrote: Two fast uneventful games followed by 15 minutes of marines fighting mutalisks. I can hardly contain my excitement. =P
that game was really entertaining, i thought for sure Jaedong was dead
what kind of games do you like? i mean that final game was pretty awesome
On July 11 2007 04:28 Carnac wrote: Sea acted poorly -.- He had a big advantage when Jaedong had only 2 hatches, very low drone count and kept losing mutas, but Sea messed up... instead of going around his minerals in a nice formation he kept sending them through his workers and minerals where they got stuck all the time and were easily picked off, making him unable to gather a sufficient force
and yeah sea needs to work on this its like the only flaw in his play
hardcore harass or attacks midgame mess him up
his tvz is the only thing keeping him from a major title and its still so good but guys like gorush and jaedong that have that really lair-centric play style give him hell and he ALWAYS RUNS INTO ONE
On July 11 2007 04:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: and yeah sea needs to work on this its like the only flaw in his play
hardcore harass or attacks midgame mess him up
his tvz is the only thing keeping him from a major title and its still so good but guys like gorush and jaedong that have that really lair-centric play style give him hell and he ALWAYS RUNS INTO ONE
His TvZ is the ONLY thing keeping from a major title? It's not exactly like he dominates TvT and TvP....hes a decent player, but I think you're letting your fanboyism distort reality here
On July 11 2007 04:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: and yeah sea needs to work on this its like the only flaw in his play
hardcore harass or attacks midgame mess him up
his tvz is the only thing keeping him from a major title and its still so good but guys like gorush and jaedong that have that really lair-centric play style give him hell and he ALWAYS RUNS INTO ONE
His TvZ is the ONLY thing keeping from a major title? It's not exactly like he dominates TvT and TvP....hes a decent player, but I think you're letting your fanboyism distort reality here
what are you talking about? he DOES dominate tvt and tvp
are you like unaware of the fact that Sea has the best winning percentage of every pro with over 50 games played?
EVERY TIME he's been knocked out of a major league its been by a zerg, and twice of three its been GoRush, the other time it was Yellow[arnc] when he was on fire
I personally think someone like july could have ended that last game a lot sooner. Not to take anything away from jaedong, but I felt it pretty painful to watch. He went a little too gungho at first before he had enough mutas and lost a bunch. But after he had enough, the marines were basically being led to slaughter one at a time, and the mutas numbers were easily being replaced.
I don't want too bash sea on the marine micro too much though, because that's not why he lost. It took him way too long to actually attempt to do something to actually counter. He didn't put enough emphasis on getting vessels out with irradiate until it was too late. Leaving that factory half-completed for a while was huge, and he really should have attacked with that control group of mnm instead of left it running back and forth around the middle waiting to be picked off.
I guess I just felt slightly disappointed after that series, is all. =P
On July 11 2007 04:43 QibingZero wrote: I personally think someone like july could have ended that last game a lot sooner. Not to take anything away from jaedong, but I felt it pretty painful to watch. He went a little too gungho at first before he had enough mutas and lost a bunch. But after he had enough, the marines were basically being led to slaughter one at a time, and the mutas numbers were easily being replaced.
I don't want too bash sea on the marine micro too much though, because that's not why he lost. It took him way too long to actually attempt to do something to actually counter. He didn't put enough emphasis on getting vessels out with irradiate until it was too late. Leaving that factory half-completed for a while was huge, and he really should have attacked with that control group of mnm instead of left it running back and forth around the middle waiting to be picked off.
I guess I just felt slightly disappointed after that series, is all. =P
it was a wrong call on Sea's part
basically what he was thinking was that since he killed so many mutalisks and his upgrades were good, he could continue making marines and then walk around the map doing damage to expansions while he got tanks and more barracks
he didn't anticipate jaedong being so relentless with mutalisks and you can pretty much pinpoint the moment where he realizes his error and tries to correct it, but its way too late
On July 11 2007 04:51 QibingZero wrote: Hm, did I really vote for Yooi?
Haha, he didn't seem too happy with that loss.
what the FUCK i voted for yooi too
WHY DID I DO THAT
i voted friday night when i was suuuuuuuuuuper drunk and all i could recall was that some asshole from tl claimed to be in _V_ clan and that yooi looked like a retard last time he played
On July 11 2007 04:51 QibingZero wrote: Hm, did I really vote for Yooi?
Haha, he didn't seem too happy with that loss.
what the FUCK i voted for yooi too
WHY DID I DO THAT
i voted friday night when i was suuuuuuuuuuper drunk and all i could recall was that some asshole from tl claimed to be in _V_ clan and that yooi looked like a retard last time he played
Yeah, I voted when I woke up today before the PL games because I realized I forgot to vote for those. I obviously wasn't thinking at the time, but hopefully FBH will at least win.
shudder has almost the entire bottom lane, both with 3 expos. shudder has a bigger army i think and his macro is damaging yooi quite a lot. yooi keeps trying micro drops with like 2 tanks a 4 goliaths but it's useless. finally yooi wins a big clash in the middle.
yooi should win now, shudder is down to 1 running expo while yooi have several where he is "kind of" mining...it's only a matter of time now, yooi has a lot of stuff pumping from his 6(!) factories
Yooi made add-on to take gas and tank with 6 marines goes to attack.Using tank and scvs, purple tries to defend. Shudder lost many scvs but could kill green´s tank. Yooi expo too at downstare natural.
yooi has 3 tanks outside shudder's base but hes defending with 3 tanks as well. yooi just droppped 2 facts and oputs a tank and 2 gols in a shuttle and heads to shudder's base
shudder getting another expo and defending it with a few tanks and gols yooi is building another expo and has 3 turrets around it damn this is looking like its gonna be a long, long game
EDIT: yooi managed to contain shudders island and disrupt the bottom left while his own expansions were left alone. in the end he simply had better position and more guys.
Rock's play was pretty solid, except for that first double reaver drop. On the other hand, FBH never got into the game, failed to get vulture through minerals MANY times, seems he's next casy with this TvP...
On July 11 2007 06:25 Jaxx wrote: Rock's play was pretty solid, except for that first double reaver drop. On the other hand, FBH never got into the game, failed to get vulture through minerals MANY times, seems he's next casy with this TvP...
yea i really was surprised to see him fail to get vults through the minerals. they play this game for hours everyday and he cant get through some minerals? wtf? maybe he just choked... lets hope so~
On July 11 2007 06:27 xM(Z wrote: man, that woman never stops talking
goons kill twice tank near cc. Rock takes exp without gas. when reaver readm rock attacs very wall drophiping goon and reaver between together armed tanks.
1/3, rock saved the last point! shame on sea and shudder though =/ too bad rock has to beat flash/ggplay and jaedong before he's seeded >_< his pvz is abyssmal and flash tvp is "slightly" better than FBH's
i guess karma just hit FBH a slap in the face for his dumb ceremony. savior is probably sitting in his house looking at the match and laughing his *** off. hahahahahah!
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On July 11 2007 09:18 SuperJongMan wrote: Rock is the future of Protoss. That was one of the best ceremonies ever, only next to Midas's "Robot"
how can he be the future of toss? he is so old. free and stork are both 2 years younger than him, and have accomplished way more than him. bisu is 3 years younger, he won a MSL already.
On July 11 2007 07:05 Musli wrote: 0/3 woohoo -_-; at least ProLeague 2/2 ~~;
0/3 and 1/2, GG. :D I felt I had it coming after crawling up to ~50 from around 200-300 whole season...xD
I also missed ROCK's ceremony, but that guy can be surprising(in terms of playing skill). Maybe few of you remember when he was a rookie and stomped July on the gayest maps ever...(like that desert crap where you had an "exp" at your choke only with 4 mineral paths, and a totally gay 2nd nat cliffing your main with entrance being the hell away).
On July 11 2007 07:05 Musli wrote: 0/3 woohoo -_-; at least ProLeague 2/2 ~~;
0/3 and 1/2, GG. :D I felt I had it coming after crawling up to ~50 from around 200-300 whole season...xD
I also missed ROCK's ceremony, but that guy can be surprising(in terms of playing skill). Maybe few of you remember when he was a rookie and stomped July on the gayest maps ever...(like that desert crap where you had an "exp" at your choke only with 4 mineral paths, and a totally gay 2nd nat cliffing your main with entrance being the hell away).
If i were the rock, i would leap out of my seat, do the robot all around fbh and yell in korean engrish "DOMO ORIGATO MR ROBOTO" over and over and over again.
On July 11 2007 09:18 SuperJongMan wrote: Rock is the future of Protoss. That was one of the best ceremonies ever, only next to Midas's "Robot"
how can he be the future of toss? he is so old. free and stork are both 2 years younger than him, and have accomplished way more than him. bisu is 3 years younger, he won a MSL already.
Eh I think he means Rock will be the next big P.
Yes... that's it... ~_~. Rock's amazing carrier micro and unit management will make him the next OSL champ. You uh.... heard it here.... FIRST.
On July 12 2007 08:50 FatRine wrote: how old is rock??? (always hard to tell with asians)
Rock is only 21.
Rock seems older cause hes got a chimp face. I think that rock should be known as the god of the ODT. While he doesnt have too much luck in the OSL/MSL he does pretty damn good in the individual league stuff.
Id rate his PvT as top of the line. He deserves to find a good team after pantech, maybe one with alot of zergs so he can practice PvZ against better zergs.
That ceremony was epic, way to stick it to the guy that danced around savior.
EPT
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