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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
July 12 2020 15:51 GMT
#61
On July 12 2020 23:57 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 22:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Wow, team Stork is really mailing this in.

They are comfortably the worst team in the league, so we can't realistically expect much else. It was unfortunate that Stork had to pick himself in the first round, but he made the team even worse by drafting poorly.


Disagree with this, even if it were true, they could've done better than the shit they are showing now. Stork basically gave up already before even drafting though, just because he had to pick himself (great confidence there). Then he gets Soulkey who is arguably the best player as a 2nd pick and he has lost all his games so far (well all his games being just 2 games, but still). I mean that doesn't help.

It's funny that the only one to win a match is ggaemo, who is not that terrible either tho. I mean I don't think this is purely a draft issue, that's just more of a poor excuse to justify the shitty performances they gave.
its me
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
July 12 2020 16:52 GMT
#62
On July 13 2020 00:51 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2020 23:57 city42 wrote:
On July 12 2020 22:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Wow, team Stork is really mailing this in.

They are comfortably the worst team in the league, so we can't realistically expect much else. It was unfortunate that Stork had to pick himself in the first round, but he made the team even worse by drafting poorly.


Disagree with this, even if it were true, they could've done better than the shit they are showing now. Stork basically gave up already before even drafting though, just because he had to pick himself (great confidence there). Then he gets Soulkey who is arguably the best player as a 2nd pick and he has lost all his games so far (well all his games being just 2 games, but still). I mean that doesn't help.

It's funny that the only one to win a match is ggaemo, who is not that terrible either tho. I mean I don't think this is purely a draft issue, that's just more of a poor excuse to justify the shitty performances they gave.

To show just how bad the Great Escape team is, let's add up each team's sponbbang player rankings. Not a perfect metric by any means, but far more accurate than the tiny sample size of the last two ASLs which they used for the draft. Lower score is better (for example, Flash is ranked #1 on sponbbang, so he gets 1 point):

Team Midas: 95
Team Piano: 105
Team FBH: 108
Team Pusan: 111
Team Iris: 116
Team Zeus: 124
Team GoRush: 126
Team Stork: 217

Again, not perfect, but hopefully you can see the problem here. After Soulkey and Stork, they don't have a single player in the top 50. If you still think they should be performing better, that's fine, but I can't overlook how disastrous the draft was.
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 12 2020 17:18 GMT
#63
This screenshot became TOP1 list post on ygosu SC community.
My eyes..

[image loading]
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Grouhh
Profile Joined May 2019
57 Posts
July 12 2020 18:31 GMT
#64
I just can't believe afreeca took down eon's videos on youtube.
Like no English stream was not enough, they also had to strike videos of people doing their job for free.
What a bunch of $@#&$@
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
July 12 2020 19:44 GMT
#65
On July 13 2020 02:18 LaStScan wrote:
This screenshot became TOP1 list post on ygosu SC community.
My eyes..

[image loading]


SK already gave up on this team.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 13 2020 01:24 GMT
#66
Yeah the 2x zvz for SK is too bad
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-13 15:13:44
July 13 2020 15:12 GMT
#67
On July 13 2020 03:31 Grouhh wrote:
I just can't believe afreeca took down eon's videos on youtube.
Like no English stream was not enough, they also had to strike videos of people doing their job for free.
What a bunch of $@#&$@

agreed. i was really looking forward to watching this. like wtf do they want, money from eonzerg? but not money for english casters? they just have no interest in anyone who wants other languages? really annoying. how long do the vods take to get struck? i'm going to have to hone my timing or try to catch them live

On July 13 2020 01:52 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 00:51 Kaolla wrote:
On July 12 2020 23:57 city42 wrote:
On July 12 2020 22:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Wow, team Stork is really mailing this in.

They are comfortably the worst team in the league, so we can't realistically expect much else. It was unfortunate that Stork had to pick himself in the first round, but he made the team even worse by drafting poorly.


Disagree with this, even if it were true, they could've done better than the shit they are showing now. Stork basically gave up already before even drafting though, just because he had to pick himself (great confidence there). Then he gets Soulkey who is arguably the best player as a 2nd pick and he has lost all his games so far (well all his games being just 2 games, but still). I mean that doesn't help.

It's funny that the only one to win a match is ggaemo, who is not that terrible either tho. I mean I don't think this is purely a draft issue, that's just more of a poor excuse to justify the shitty performances they gave.

To show just how bad the Great Escape team is, let's add up each team's sponbbang player rankings. Not a perfect metric by any means, but far more accurate than the tiny sample size of the last two ASLs which they used for the draft. Lower score is better (for example, Flash is ranked #1 on sponbbang, so he gets 1 point):

Team Midas: 95
Team Piano: 105
Team FBH: 108
Team Pusan: 111
Team Iris: 116
Team Zeus: 124
Team GoRush: 126
Team Stork: 217

Again, not perfect, but hopefully you can see the problem here. After Soulkey and Stork, they don't have a single player in the top 50. If you still think they should be performing better, that's fine, but I can't overlook how disastrous the draft was.


hard to blame stork for being bitter about the draft when you put it this way.. damn..
get rich or die mining
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 13 2020 16:08 GMT
#68
On July 14 2020 00:12 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 03:31 Grouhh wrote:
I just can't believe afreeca took down eon's videos on youtube.
Like no English stream was not enough, they also had to strike videos of people doing their job for free.
What a bunch of $@#&$@

agreed. i was really looking forward to watching this. like wtf do they want, money from eonzerg? but not money for english casters? they just have no interest in anyone who wants other languages? really annoying. how long do the vods take to get struck? i'm going to have to hone my timing or try to catch them live

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2020 01:52 city42 wrote:
On July 13 2020 00:51 Kaolla wrote:
On July 12 2020 23:57 city42 wrote:
On July 12 2020 22:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Wow, team Stork is really mailing this in.

They are comfortably the worst team in the league, so we can't realistically expect much else. It was unfortunate that Stork had to pick himself in the first round, but he made the team even worse by drafting poorly.


Disagree with this, even if it were true, they could've done better than the shit they are showing now. Stork basically gave up already before even drafting though, just because he had to pick himself (great confidence there). Then he gets Soulkey who is arguably the best player as a 2nd pick and he has lost all his games so far (well all his games being just 2 games, but still). I mean that doesn't help.

It's funny that the only one to win a match is ggaemo, who is not that terrible either tho. I mean I don't think this is purely a draft issue, that's just more of a poor excuse to justify the shitty performances they gave.

To show just how bad the Great Escape team is, let's add up each team's sponbbang player rankings. Not a perfect metric by any means, but far more accurate than the tiny sample size of the last two ASLs which they used for the draft. Lower score is better (for example, Flash is ranked #1 on sponbbang, so he gets 1 point):

Team Midas: 95
Team Piano: 105
Team FBH: 108
Team Pusan: 111
Team Iris: 116
Team Zeus: 124
Team GoRush: 126
Team Stork: 217

Again, not perfect, but hopefully you can see the problem here. After Soulkey and Stork, they don't have a single player in the top 50. If you still think they should be performing better, that's fine, but I can't overlook how disastrous the draft was.


hard to blame stork for being bitter about the draft when you put it this way.. damn..

Spoiler: Stork picked weaker players on purpose after SK either way
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
shafirudd
Profile Joined June 2019
United States25 Posts
July 13 2020 16:08 GMT
#69
Stork is the person that picked the rest of the team though
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 13 2020 16:37 GMT
#70
On July 14 2020 01:08 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 00:12 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:31 Grouhh wrote:
I just can't believe afreeca took down eon's videos on youtube.
Like no English stream was not enough, they also had to strike videos of people doing their job for free.
What a bunch of $@#&$@

agreed. i was really looking forward to watching this. like wtf do they want, money from eonzerg? but not money for english casters? they just have no interest in anyone who wants other languages? really annoying. how long do the vods take to get struck? i'm going to have to hone my timing or try to catch them live

On July 13 2020 01:52 city42 wrote:
On July 13 2020 00:51 Kaolla wrote:
On July 12 2020 23:57 city42 wrote:
On July 12 2020 22:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Wow, team Stork is really mailing this in.

They are comfortably the worst team in the league, so we can't realistically expect much else. It was unfortunate that Stork had to pick himself in the first round, but he made the team even worse by drafting poorly.


Disagree with this, even if it were true, they could've done better than the shit they are showing now. Stork basically gave up already before even drafting though, just because he had to pick himself (great confidence there). Then he gets Soulkey who is arguably the best player as a 2nd pick and he has lost all his games so far (well all his games being just 2 games, but still). I mean that doesn't help.

It's funny that the only one to win a match is ggaemo, who is not that terrible either tho. I mean I don't think this is purely a draft issue, that's just more of a poor excuse to justify the shitty performances they gave.

To show just how bad the Great Escape team is, let's add up each team's sponbbang player rankings. Not a perfect metric by any means, but far more accurate than the tiny sample size of the last two ASLs which they used for the draft. Lower score is better (for example, Flash is ranked #1 on sponbbang, so he gets 1 point):

Team Midas: 95
Team Piano: 105
Team FBH: 108
Team Pusan: 111
Team Iris: 116
Team Zeus: 124
Team GoRush: 126
Team Stork: 217

Again, not perfect, but hopefully you can see the problem here. After Soulkey and Stork, they don't have a single player in the top 50. If you still think they should be performing better, that's fine, but I can't overlook how disastrous the draft was.


hard to blame stork for being bitter about the draft when you put it this way.. damn..

Spoiler: Stork picked weaker players on purpose after SK either way


do you know that??
get rich or die mining
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Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
July 13 2020 16:45 GMT
#71
On July 14 2020 01:08 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2020 00:12 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 13 2020 03:31 Grouhh wrote:
I just can't believe afreeca took down eon's videos on youtube.
Like no English stream was not enough, they also had to strike videos of people doing their job for free.
What a bunch of $@#&$@

agreed. i was really looking forward to watching this. like wtf do they want, money from eonzerg? but not money for english casters? they just have no interest in anyone who wants other languages? really annoying. how long do the vods take to get struck? i'm going to have to hone my timing or try to catch them live

On July 13 2020 01:52 city42 wrote:
On July 13 2020 00:51 Kaolla wrote:
On July 12 2020 23:57 city42 wrote:
On July 12 2020 22:57 RowdierBob wrote:
Wow, team Stork is really mailing this in.

They are comfortably the worst team in the league, so we can't realistically expect much else. It was unfortunate that Stork had to pick himself in the first round, but he made the team even worse by drafting poorly.


Disagree with this, even if it were true, they could've done better than the shit they are showing now. Stork basically gave up already before even drafting though, just because he had to pick himself (great confidence there). Then he gets Soulkey who is arguably the best player as a 2nd pick and he has lost all his games so far (well all his games being just 2 games, but still). I mean that doesn't help.

It's funny that the only one to win a match is ggaemo, who is not that terrible either tho. I mean I don't think this is purely a draft issue, that's just more of a poor excuse to justify the shitty performances they gave.

To show just how bad the Great Escape team is, let's add up each team's sponbbang player rankings. Not a perfect metric by any means, but far more accurate than the tiny sample size of the last two ASLs which they used for the draft. Lower score is better (for example, Flash is ranked #1 on sponbbang, so he gets 1 point):

Team Midas: 95
Team Piano: 105
Team FBH: 108
Team Pusan: 111
Team Iris: 116
Team Zeus: 124
Team GoRush: 126
Team Stork: 217

Again, not perfect, but hopefully you can see the problem here. After Soulkey and Stork, they don't have a single player in the top 50. If you still think they should be performing better, that's fine, but I can't overlook how disastrous the draft was.


hard to blame stork for being bitter about the draft when you put it this way.. damn..

Spoiler: Stork picked weaker players on purpose after SK either way


Didn't Stork and SK talk on the phone about picks? Anyway, I don't think the list says all that much and it's certainly no reason for them to have only won 1 game so far.
its me
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8680 Posts
July 13 2020 20:02 GMT
#72
On July 13 2020 10:24 thedeadhaji wrote:
Yeah the 2x zvz for SK is too bad

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CrymeaTerran
Profile Joined May 2017
149 Posts
July 14 2020 06:40 GMT
#73
Stork cant even win his own games, like soulkey, good players.
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-14 08:27:37
July 14 2020 08:16 GMT
#74
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-14 13:03:03
July 14 2020 09:35 GMT
#75
EDIT: nvm, I was wrong apparantly!
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CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
July 14 2020 12:00 GMT
#76
the players do upload to youtube...



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