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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 23 2019 07:57 ColdLava wrote: Reminds me of the first couple power rank entries about flash lol Ahhhh yes. The Power Rank and Lightwip. Both biased against Flash. I got my one of my accounts on TL banned because the power rank - after Flash's OSL/MSL dual victory - still refused to call him a Bonjwa, making up a BS reasoning about how "God" was a better title than Bonjwa. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2232 Posts
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GTR
51582 Posts
On August 23 2019 04:57 KobraKay wrote: At least GTR said Flash would dominate StarCraft for a couple of year xD and there were a couple of random TL users (sorry guys  ) that said Flash´s era was beginning.when i re-entered following the pro scene after a brief year-long or so hiatus (aka the savior era), one of the first few matches i watched was flash's ODT qualifiers. i then found out that he was my age - people my age at that time (14/15) didn't qualify for OSL's on their first attempt unless they had absurd amounts of talent. i then knew that he was special and would continue to beat the flash hype drum for years to come. when it was all said and done though, i didn't think though he'd end up eclipsing nada though. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7475 Posts
On August 23 2019 15:32 GTR wrote: when i re-entered following the pro scene after a brief year-long or so hiatus (aka the savior era), one of the first few matches i watched was flash's ODT qualifiers. i then found out that he was my age - people my age at that time (14/15) didn't qualify for OSL's on their first attempt unless they had absurd amounts of talent. i then knew that he was special and would continue to beat the flash hype drum for years to come. when it was all said and done though, i didn't think though he'd end up eclipsing nada though. Sorry if my aging memory is failing me... but wasn't Nada also very young when he ascended? I seem to remember him being young even in comparison to his very young peers. Man... age is stealing my memories! | ||
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GTR
51582 Posts
he started playing professionally when he was 16 the first big "child prodigy" was probably  fOfy (who debut'd at 14), but he decided to retire and focus on school. then after that is Sea and we all know how his career ended up. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8639 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7475 Posts
On August 23 2019 17:49 GTR wrote: nada was 18 when he won his first osl he started playing professionally when he was 16 the first big "child prodigy" was probably fOfy (who debut'd at 14), but he decided to retire and focus on school. then after that is Sea and we all know how his career ended up.Thanks. Yeah 18 and a champion. Pretty remarkable still. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 23 2019 00:50 Xain0n wrote: The "recency bias" is due to the fact Snow is having good results this year and that it seems that he has fixed his PvZ. Snow's chanches to beat Flash are surely higher than Rain's, like he showed in ASL 5. I mean, maybe. I think Rain is a significantly better player than Snow, and I think that matters far more in a BoX than in Bo1s/online games. But I'm happy to concede the point of Snow > Rain vT, or v Flash. That doesn't mean anything to me, and was never what I was debating. Just a strawman. Rain isn't an S-class player to me either. Flash is an S-class player. He is the only S-class player in the scene. That's my point. Unfortunately for the rest of the competition, he's the best S-class player who has ever existed. My point is Snow is an A-class player. Sure, Snow could pull an EffOrt and upset Flash. It would be incredible to witness, and one of the greatest accomplishments in Brood War history. Of course, EffOrt beating Flash didn't make him an S-class player, either. I'm sure some rabid EffOrt fans will disagree, but I'm reserving S-class for legends. Not the Hall of Very Good. If we want to be more pedantic, one could say Snow may not be an S-class player, but could he put together an S-class *performance*? That's a better question. My money is still on "no." I'll lay 2.5:1 odds on anyone who wishes to bet on Snow, $20 per person, maximum of 10 bets. That converts to Snow having to win just 29% of the time for the person betting on Snow to breakeven. If people don't think Snow is at least 29% to win v Flash in the Finals, well, I rest my case. I mean, he beat Flash last time he played! He should be at least 50% to win!!?! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26617 Posts
On August 24 2019 06:49 KamMoye wrote: I mean, maybe. I think Rain is a significantly better player than Snow, and I think that matters far more in a BoX than in Bo1s/online games. But I'm happy to concede the point of Snow > Rain vT, or v Flash. That doesn't mean anything to me, and was never what I was debating. Just a strawman. Rain isn't an S-class player to me either. Flash is an S-class player. He is the only S-class player in the scene. That's my point. Unfortunately for the rest of the competition, he's the best S-class player who has ever existed. My point is Snow is an A-class player. Sure, Snow could pull an EffOrt and upset Flash. It would be incredible to witness, and one of the greatest accomplishments in Brood War history. Of course, EffOrt beating Flash didn't make him an S-class player, either. I'm sure some rabid EffOrt fans will disagree, but I'm reserving S-class for legends. Not the Hall of Very Good. If we want to be more pedantic, one could say Snow may not be an S-class player, but could he put together an S-class *performance*? That's a better question. My money is still on "no." I'll lay 2.5:1 odds on anyone who wishes to bet on Snow, $20 per person, maximum of 10 bets. That converts to Snow having to win just 29% of the time for the person betting on Snow to breakeven. If people don't think Snow is at least 29% to win v Flash in the Finals, well, I rest my case. I mean, he beat Flash last time he played! He should be at least 50% to win!!?! I don’t really think some of those players aren’t S class, merely that Flash is so good he’s basically above even S class | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1715 Posts
On August 24 2019 05:18 Djabanete wrote: The thing that stuck out to me about Flash in 2010 was that he was a master of miracles. He could salvage any losing game, seemingly no matter how bad it looked. I remember live report threads that went like this: "Another attack on Flash's 3rd." "Flash lifts his 3rd." "Flash lifts his 4th." "Recall in Flash's main." "Flash has nothing left." "GG Flash wins." Such creative play and so many memorable games. And his game sense. You get posts like: "If flash did that on iccup he'd be banned"; "I swear Flash is cheating, I dont care if I never prove it". He'd predict 2hatch lurker out of nothing or turn his scouting scv around the opposite direction to see a proxy. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
after all these years terran mech is still untouchable vs protoss User was warned for this post. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On August 24 2019 19:16 BerserkSword wrote: just watched the games on youtube after all these years terran mech is still untouchable vs protoss Flash should go infantry vs snow :D | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria409 Posts
On August 24 2019 19:16 BerserkSword wrote: after all these years terran mech is still untouchable vs protoss When Jangbi won his two OSLs and he beat the best terrans in BoX then, was mech so untouchable as well? Or protoss then was untouchable, wasn't it? Please do not turn this into some balance whine. You would insult both Flash and Rain this way. Let's just give credit to the amazing players who know the ins and outs of their races and are able to show them in such a magnificent way that they can sometimes make a race seem like it is overpowered. | ||
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Aminus
Bulgaria35 Posts
On August 24 2019 22:06 JoinTheRain wrote: When Jangbi won his two OSLs and he beat the best terrans in BoX then, was mech so untouchable as well? Or protoss then was untouchable, wasn't it? Please do not turn this into some balance whine. You would insult both Flash and Rain this way. Let's just give credit to the amazing players who know the ins and outs of their races and are able to show them in such a magnificent way that they can sometimes make a race seem like it is overpowered. Exactly what i was thinking watching the series, it was about how perfect Jangbi was playing back in pro days defeating greatest Nada, Flash and Fantasy and now i see players without much practice struggling to perform well, otherwise good ideas for their games. Skill is definitely lower and its obvious. What i see is just not that well calculated, practiced and performed compared to kespa bw. Because of that, games takes much more unexpected turns, which can lead to more confusion to players and strange games like action vs sharp for example. Many people praised Rain like the one with the chance to win vs flash i rememer there was a big discusion about same thing with Larva. I never understand that, first Larva never proven himself to be strong player in any ASL or KSL and Rain never did anything spectacular in PvT either. He is strong player nevertheless and i was expecting more from him since he seems to get better and better. I was thinking of 3-1 or 3-2, but he showed weak play. Is pvt his weakest matchup? Maybe. Making such blunders like recalling zealots on vultures instead of tanks was crucial or fighting dragoons vs tanks in last fight is very basic, you cannot expect to win that way even if it was another terran player on the opposite. This offensive recall brings me memories of a great game Horang2 vs Flash from Proleague Playoffs, for anyone who hasnt watched it, be prepared tol be amazed by Horang2 play. That was the time when flash had that monstrous dominance and something like 14-15 winstreak in proleague matches. | ||
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Starecat
940 Posts
Every race kinda have their time to shine like 200/200 Zerg. And it's weird to see someone as a viewer complain about a race that has the least OSLs titles, even PvP finals were like two? And as a player many people (Artosis included) are on a consensus that when the skill level is low TvP is harder for Terran. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4273 Posts
On August 26 2019 06:23 Aminus wrote: Exactly what i was thinking watching the series, it was about how perfect Jangbi was playing back in pro days defeating greatest Nada, Flash and Fantasy and now i see players without much practice struggling to perform well, otherwise good ideas for their games. Skill is definitely lower and its obvious. What i see is just not that well calculated, practiced and performed compared to kespa bw. Because of that, games takes much more unexpected turns, which can lead to more confusion to players and strange games like action vs sharp for example. Many people praised Rain like the one with the chance to win vs flash i rememer there was a big discusion about same thing with Larva. I never understand that, first Larva never proven himself to be strong player in any ASL or KSL and Rain never did anything spectacular in PvT either. He is strong player nevertheless and i was expecting more from him since he seems to get better and better. I was thinking of 3-1 or 3-2, but he showed weak play. Is pvt his weakest matchup? Maybe. Making such blunders like recalling zealots on vultures instead of tanks was crucial or fighting dragoons vs tanks in last fight is very basic, you cannot expect to win that way even if it was another terran player on the opposite. This offensive recall brings me memories of a great game Horang2 vs Flash from Proleague Playoffs, for anyone who hasnt watched it, be prepared tol be amazed by Horang2 play. That was the time when flash had that monstrous dominance and something like 14-15 winstreak in proleague matches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6O7VbIy-vk I remember seeing that game. Mixed emotions there! I take this opportunity to ask what can be a dumb question but here it goes. Is there a special way to watch the liquipedia vods? I've searched for a few old (2010/2011) maps and tried to watch the recommended/notable games on that map and none of the VODs worked. I was thinking about watching an old PL season if I can find the vods but so far the liquipedia ones for individual games are not showing for me. Nevake on youtube seems like the best chance but Im afraid that I will stumble into issues like with the NalRa old boy series where some episodes are region locked for some reason T_T | ||
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FakeFin
Germany392 Posts
On August 29 2019 03:39 KobraKay wrote: I remember seeing that game. Mixed emotions there! I take this opportunity to ask what can be a dumb question but here it goes. Is there a special way to watch the liquipedia vods? I've searched for a few old (2010/2011) maps and tried to watch the recommended/notable games on that map and none of the VODs worked. I was thinking about watching an old PL season if I can find the vods but so far the liquipedia ones for individual games are not showing for me. Nevake on youtube seems like the best chance but Im afraid that I will stumble into issues like with the NalRa old boy series where some episodes are region locked for some reason T_T I think the best way is to watch them through tlpd | ||
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