EPTI am convinced we will see an epic final, or at least a worthy one.
[ASL8] Semifinal B - Flash vs Rain - Page 10
| Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments |
|
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I am convinced we will see an epic final, or at least a worthy one. | ||
|
Mrwl
Sweden339 Posts
 | ||
|
Zaibakk
101 Posts
| ||
|
Terrorbladder
2719 Posts
On August 21 2019 20:34 Mrwl wrote: He won't play individual tournaments again, but he will play team eventsCan someone enlighten me; with Flash going to the military combined with his injury - will he retire for good or just take a break and heal? I don't want him to be gone | ||
|
ggsimida
1148 Posts
On August 21 2019 20:37 Zaibakk wrote: You cant beat Flash at his rules. You have to to throw something that offbalance him, taking him out of his comfort zone. Hope that Snow has what it takes for this with early drop play attacks and prepared maps builds. yes i was surprised rain barely prepared anything special for this series which is unusual considering how he came up with some funky proxies in previous competitive series. you think you will nog your brain juices a bit more knowing that you are have <30% winrate in spongames against your opponent lul. | ||
|
asel
Germany1599 Posts
| ||
|
ASCandLoLFan
25 Posts
| ||
|
byj
494 Posts
Go to watch the VOD It's only 90minutes long The first game starts 30minutes in Whelps | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19276 Posts
| ||
|
ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On August 21 2019 21:05 BisuDagger wrote: Rain needs to beat a non-protoss race of he wants to join the protoss champion elite. It's uncanny how similar he is to Bisu in his record. Had Bisu never beaten savior he would also have to take shit for only winning PvPs and losing his only non-PvP to Mind. I have no doubt Rain will have many more semifinal appearances. He may have lost hard here, but he is still consistent as hell. As for Flash, he played brilliantly. I'm happy for the short series so he can hide as much from Snow as possible and for the sake of his wrists. His last finals for now will be great to watch. I mean, Bisu gets shit for, while having a very good PvT, not pulling it together against the top tier terrans especially in important moments (finals vs Mind, semifinals vs Flash and Fantasy). But even without a stomping of Savior, people would have to be out of their mind to criticize Bisu for anything to do with PvZ. Their narratives are quite different, Bisu only struggled PvT against the very best, and Rain is just not good at PvT or PvZ. | ||
|
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
| ||
|
LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
| ||
|
LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On August 21 2019 20:12 GTR wrote: This match was over in less than 90 minutes which is an insult to the fans who came to the studio. Afreeca needs to somehow make these matches more competitive or people will stop watching. Admit it: everyone reading this thread was disappointed by the one-sided matches and would have preferred a five game series. How the hell did Rain prepare? Did he even watch Flash's games? Flash didn't do anything unusual or extraordinary, Rain just reacted poorly to everything. Well let's see, he blocked the obs and made 3 expansions with 2 factories and no armory in game 1, something that is insane for any terran to do and also not his usual style, he's known for fast upgrades off 2 bases Game 2 he hid a factory in the middle of the map after expanding, never saw that before that late in the game Game 3 rain rolled over and died due to bad micro Nothing unusual? | ||
|
LV_426
Poland432 Posts
On August 21 2019 21:14 ColdLava wrote: I mean, Bisu gets shit for, while having a very good PvT, not pulling it together against the top tier terrans especially in important moments (finals vs Mind, semifinals vs Flash and Fantasy). But even without a stomping of Savior, people would have to be out of their mind to criticize Bisu for anything to do with PvZ. Their narratives are quite different, Bisu only struggled PvT against the very best, and Rain is just not good at PvT or PvZ. Rain is not that good at PvT ? thats something new, did you check his pvt win ratio from Afreeca ? Losing 0:3 against Flash =/= you are not at certain mu.. | ||
|
Lord-SnoT
France6 Posts
On August 21 2019 21:46 LV_426 wrote: Rain is not that good at PvT ? thats something new, did you check his pvt win ratio from Afreeca ? Losing 0:3 against Flash =/= you are not at certain mu.. Or here https://tl.net/tlpd/sospa/players/697_Rain | ||
|
royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
| ||
|
Sorusaba
290 Posts
| ||
|
Highgamer
1434 Posts
On August 21 2019 21:41 LG)Sabbath wrote: Well let's see, he blocked the obs and made 3 expansions with 2 factories and no armory in game 1, something that is insane for any terran to do and also not his usual style, he's known for fast upgrades off 2 bases spoiler alert Game 1 really set the pace for the series: Flash got a scout on first try, and then he saw Rain's first obs die (see Flash's vision in the Vod, 6.15 game-time), he didn't really block it from seeing the additional bases. I would say that going 4 base only looks unusual but actually isn't - because it's Flash's usual thing to seize opportunities if he sees them. It might have been a planned option but I'm sure he made a decision there. He knew Rain would be in the dark, also see his vultures checking if anything comes to scout his fast expos. A Terran can really learn a lot from watching the minutes after 6.15, how he creates a huge strategic advantage out of thin air, just by spotting a mistake of his opponent, using the resulting time and the map-distance perfectly to plant expos safely when Protoss doesn't know, then the units that he has to zone out the counter-pressure. The game wasn't even easy to win despite all that. Rain did a multi-pronged play with hallucinations (game-time 12.20 ff.), Flash was deceived and sent stuff in the main when Rain was actually recalling Flash's feeble static defense at his 4th, and probably only Flash could do the swing-around with his army so quickly and hardly lose anything but a few SCVs in that whole engagement. edit: I even think Rain has a momentum and chance here if he sends his whole army to attack Flash's stretched-out army, and uses reinforcements to go for the 4th and 3rd. By splitting up his forces Flash could throw him back with half his army engaging. Maybe Rain even had s.th. planned but Flash's scouting-luck denied it. Rain's to blame for losing the obs tho. | ||
|
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19276 Posts
On August 21 2019 22:10 Highgamer wrote: spoiler alert Game 1 really set the pace for the series: Flash got a scout on first try, and then he saw Rain's first obs die (see Flash's vision in the Vod, 6.15 game-time), he didn't really block it from seeing the additional bases. I would say that going 4 base only looks unusual but actually isn't - because it's Flash's usual thing to seize opportunities if he sees them. It might have been a planned option but I'm sure he made a decision there. He knew Rain would be in the dark, also see his vultures checking if anything comes to scout his fast expos. A Terran can really learn a lot from watching the minutes after 6.15, how he creates a huge strategic advantage out of thin air, just by spotting a mistake of his opponent, using the resulting time and the map-distance perfectly to plant expos safely when Protoss doesn't know, then the units that he has to zone out the counter-pressure. The game wasn't even easy to win despite all that. Rain did a multi-pronged play with hallucinations (game-time 12.20 ff.), Flash was deceived and sent stuff in the main when Rain was actually recalling Flash's feeble static defense at his 4th, and probably only Flash could do the swing-around with his army so quickly and hardly lose anything but a few SCVs in that whole engagement. edit: I even think Rain has a momentum and chance here if he sends his whole army to attack Flash's stretched-out army, and uses reinforcements to go for the 4th and 3rd. By splitting up his forces Flash could throw him back with half his army engaging. Maybe Rain even had s.th. planned but Flash's scouting-luck denied it. Rain's to blame for losing the obs tho. It was also a really big deal that Rain did not actually kill off the fourth command center. In the trick attack he lost most of his army and didn't take a base or destroy enough tanks to make it worth it. The extra gas at the fourth base is enormous and hurt him tremendously in the long run. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On August 21 2019 21:46 LV_426 wrote: Rain is not that good at PvT ? thats something new, did you check his pvt win ratio from Afreeca ? Losing 0:3 against Flash =/= you are not at certain mu.. In August, he's 0-2 with Flash, 3-4 with Light, 2-2 with Sharp and 4-3 with Rush. His bigger win percentages are against the likes of Ample (4-0), Mong (2-0), Shinee (2-0) and Sorry (5-3).This is most definitely not top PvT rates. And in July it's worse, his total winrate vs Terran is 48.8%, which includes 0-5 against Light, 1-4 against Last and 2-7 against Flash. So yeah, he's not a top PvT-er unlike Snow. He's still an amazingly smart player with great mechanics. PvT is just not his matchup. Regarding game 1, the nice hallucination trick earned him nothing - he lost his army and didn't even force a lift at the 4th. Wasn't a particularly good trade. | ||
| ||
