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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On August 22 2019 04:20 Sigrun wrote: No, he didn't. Flash won the maps that were Protoss favored (Transistor and the island map) but lost on the more balanced ones (Third World, Gladiator). People have been ignoring this fact for the whole time, no reason for that to change now. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7475 Posts
Yeah yeah Flash played really good. And Rain fucking choked. Worst series I ever saw him play. Action, now Rain. People be playing like crap deep into tournies. You can check my post history. I do not take the skills of these cats lightly. And I don't disparage pro gamers personally at all (except fuck Savior) But this has been horrible and sub-generic play. Flash and Snow of course get credit for the wins rather then their opponents but ... holy crap this was some weak play. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1715 Posts
On August 22 2019 04:20 Sigrun wrote: No, he didn't. Flash won the maps that were Protoss favored (Transistor and the island map) but lost on the more balanced ones (Third World, Gladiator). Gladiator was a great win for Snow.. but Third World? | ||
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user80269
20 Posts
i'd hope that with rehab and time he could return in a couple years. he could probably even switch his hands up and learn it all over again. it is quite a journey but he is quite the exceptional man. | ||
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Ideas
United States8168 Posts
On August 22 2019 04:56 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Gladiator was a great win for Snow.. but Third World? Yeah honestly Third World seems like a harder TvP map than Sparkle (at least in some ways). None of the maps in this tournament seem as hard as Sparkle or Third World though. Although we still haven't seen a TvP on Tripod, which seems like a tough map. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Starecat
940 Posts
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superjoppe
Sweden3686 Posts
In a long 40min game you can actually see how well someone plays, but in a short 10min game? In three short 10min games? It was just build-order wins for Flash. We could barely even see what strategies he had planned. The only real bad play I noticed was the dragoon getting killed in the last game. | ||
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avanhokie
50 Posts
People are just going to continually slight Snow forever because of this, if Flash was so superior to Snow at the time he could have beaten him on THE MOST STANDARD MAP IN THE POOL Gladiator. Snow deservedly won. I think he has a fair shot in the finals too. Still favoring Flash 4-2 | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1655 Posts
On August 22 2019 04:56 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Gladiator was a great win for Snow.. but Third World? From the Snow vs Flash thread: On May 02 2018 00:13 Liquid`Drone wrote: ELO adjusted Tvp on all ASL maps (seen from terran pov - bigger than 50% means terran favored, less than 50% means p): Gladiator : 50.3% Transistor : 37.6% Sparkle : 55.1% Third World : 46.2% Transistor was the most imbalanced map (which Flash won), with Third World only being slightly P favored in comparison. And turns out Sparkle was actually T favored but of course no one brings that up. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1707 Posts
On August 22 2019 04:33 AttackZerg wrote: Just watched. Yeah yeah Flash played really good. And Rain fucking choked. Worst series I ever saw him play. Action, now Rain. People be playing like crap deep into tournies. You can check my post history. I do not take the skills of these cats lightly. And I don't disparage pro gamers personally at all (except fuck Savior) But this has been horrible and sub-generic play. Flash and Snow of course get credit for the wins rather then their opponents but ... holy crap this was some weak play. Name 1 other time Rain actually CHOKED "deep in a tourney" I'm not gonna deny he played like shit game 2 and 3, but theres no possible way you can say Rain "chokes deep" in tournaments | ||
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Terrorbladder
2720 Posts
On August 22 2019 00:37 Xxio wrote: The exception that proves the rule.Date DESC League Map Opponent Result + 12-04-08 SKP11-12 Proleague.. (Twilight) Neo Chain Reaction (T)Flash Win | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1715 Posts
On August 22 2019 09:32 Sigrun wrote: From the Snow vs Flash thread: Transistor was the most imbalanced map (which Flash won), with Third World only being slightly P favored in comparison. And turns out Sparkle was actually T favored but of course no one brings that up. Yes I remember Flash was supremely confident in Sparkle, and it showed in how decisively he won. Transistor was obviously his most hated as he vetoed it. I stand by what I said when I questioned the claim that Third World is balanced. On August 22 2019 07:09 avanhokie wrote: People are just going to continually slight Snow forever because of this, if Flash was so superior to Snow at the time he could have beaten him on THE MOST STANDARD MAP IN THE POOL Gladiator. Snow deservedly won. I think he has a fair shot in the finals too. Still favoring Flash 4-2 Not to condone it, but it's pretty common for fans and spectators to find fault in a win. The only thing you can do as a player is come back, win it again, and shut them up. But then usually doing it twice might not be enough.. Three or four should shut people up. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On August 22 2019 09:11 Twinkle Toes wrote: Rain is a moron. He choked hard.He was cocky and Flash swatted him with perfect gameplay and reaction. Never really understood all of the Rain hate tbh. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4141 Posts
On August 22 2019 07:07 superjoppe wrote: How can a random non-progamer at all state that Rain played like shit? In a long 40min game you can actually see how well someone plays, but in a short 10min game? In three short 10min games? It was just build-order wins for Flash. We could barely even see what strategies he had planned. The only real bad play I noticed was the dragoon getting killed in the last game. Lmao did you even watch the games? How were they build order wins? Gasless expand is common against Protoss and it's up to Protoss to punish accordingly. Game 2 Flash took a risk with proxy speed vultures and it paid off. Game 3 it was Rain who forced Flash into double barracks after gas steal. | ||
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Starecat
940 Posts
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3024 Posts
On August 22 2019 10:53 Starecat wrote: I hope that Rain and Action don't undervalue the Third Place match, it can be a quite interesting match, but well you never know if the rumors about the "korean culture" will prove true. What rumors? Anyway Rain will obliterate Action | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
He clutched game 7 vs Flash in the last ever Proleague Grand Final. If there must be one, the single most important game of his career. 11-16 vs Flash all time. The player Flash called his greatest rival. Holds by far the longest PvT win streak vs Flash at 5 over 8 months in 2009. Starting with a 2-1 comeback vs Flash in GOM Classic Season 2 quarters. 3-0 Skyhigh in semis. Wins the tournament. Far more impressive than the second best PvT streak vs Flash: Stork's 4 between 2 days in 2007. 5-2 vs terrans in 2007 GOM MSL ro16 and quarters. He won that tournament too. 3-0 vs Sea in Terror League grand final. 3-0 Last in VANT Starleague quarters. 3-1 Sharp in semis. 58-31 vs T in Proleague. Better than any other protoss. He is the best protoss player of all time. In PvT specifically, I put him 2nd best all time after Stork. Jangbi close at 3rd. | ||
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