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[KSL3] Grand Finals - Rain vs Mini
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On June 08 2019 16:31 starkiller123 wrote: beautiful talking about Artosis's jacket yeah? | ||
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I hear if you repeat your desires enough times they come true. Mini in 6. | ||
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On June 08 2019 17:08 Proko wrote: Repeat after me: "Mini in 6." I hear if you repeat your desires enough times they come true. Mini in 6. well, great | ||
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plz don't be like this | ||
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On June 08 2019 17:32 Liquid`Drone wrote: Really poor build order by mini. Cross game has a high ground natural, trying to go for a dragoon reaver bust vs dragoon reaver on the high ground.. that plainly doesn't work. I understand not being confident in a long game and thus trying to end it quickly, but this was a terrible attempt at that. Jesus, we all expected Rain to win with how things have been going but that sounds bad | ||
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what a god | ||
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Psychonian
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On June 08 2019 18:05 Proko wrote: Mini needs to meet a Z in the finals, but that's really unlikely. I'm not sure if you're joking, confused, or if I'm misunderstanding, but this is the finals | ||
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Proko
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On June 08 2019 18:06 oshibori_probe wrote: The real question is if its more painful to see Mini lose another game or watch another korean caster commercial. The only certainty in life is pain. Especially in this KSL finals. | ||
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Proko
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On June 08 2019 18:07 Psychonian wrote: I'm not sure if you're joking, confused, or if I'm misunderstanding, but this is the finals For Mini to be able to win a finals, he needs to meet a Z because he has no hope of beating Last or Rain. | ||
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Psychonian
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On June 08 2019 18:08 Proko wrote: For Mini to be able to win a finals, he needs to meet a Z because he has no hope of beating Last or Rain. Oh okay, I gotcha. Yeah that's probably true. | ||
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Xain0n
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On June 08 2019 18:07 Psychonian wrote: I'm not sure if you're joking, confused, or if I'm misunderstanding, but this is the finals Rain is not playing Zerg, is he? Proko means that Mini needs to get to the grand finals against a Zerg player in order to have high chanches of victory: Mini's PvT isn't great, his PvP is good but most likely not up to Rain's whereas his PvZ is top class. | ||
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Psychonian
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On June 08 2019 18:11 Xain0n wrote: Rain is not playing Zerg, is he? Proko means that Mini needs to get to the grand finals against a Zerg player in order to have high chanches of victory: Mini's PvT isn't great, his PvP is good but most likely not up to Rain's whereas his PvZ is top class. Yeah, I understand now. Thanks for clarifying though. | ||
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On June 08 2019 18:26 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: at this point this is just ridiculous. I've said it before Rain is either the luckiest or the smartest person alive. i think he's both | ||
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On June 08 2019 18:42 Anc13nt wrote: too bad for Mini though. I think Sharp and Mini really deserve to win a tournament eventually. For sure! Don't forget Snow and Best. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
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Does it even work, going zealot/goon mid game vs a fast expanding P who goes reavers? That game (4th?) wasn't close. Game 2 literally losing the only dropship with reavers you have, that can win you the game. Wow. | ||
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On June 08 2019 22:01 raff100 wrote: Did they say when the carbot skin will be released? It will be the first time I drop money for a microtransaction, but it will be worth it to support the creators of the mod. Amazing job I believe July 10th. This would be my first microtransaction too! Definitely worth it. The effort is phenomenal. | ||
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On June 08 2019 21:56 BisuDagger wrote: Way to go Rain! He had a great season. SKT best ST! SKT BEST KT! | ||
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Mini was on "ST"X.  But 100% both are correct. | ||
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On June 08 2019 23:43 BisuDagger wrote: I believe July 10th. This would be my first microtransaction too! Definitely worth it. The effort is phenomenal. Same here | ||
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Jaeyun
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I absolutely loved Tastosis' casting in the final game - sort of reminds of their SC2 casts where there's just so much uptempo action going on the entire game. | ||
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Ideas
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Mini's micro is generally so good, it's weird he never tried a real zealot rush or reaver harass for the entire series (especially game 5 when he got reavers but just stayed home the whole time and let rain get further and further ahead economically). Also did mini forget to get zeal legs game 4? Or just cancel them/get them waaay to late? He had a LOT of zealots for a while without legs. We'll see how the the rest of the year goes but I sorta think of rain/last/soulkey as the new bisu/flash/jaedong. All 3 have been top in the scene for a while (behind flash ofc though) and each won a KSL now. And I guess that makes mini the new stork lol. | ||
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On June 09 2019 06:59 Geographer wrote: These were boring games. The KSL organizers foolishly picked Protoss-favored maps and this is the bland fruit they produced. I wonder if the poor viewership will lead to the demise of the KSL. KSL 3 had the worst games of any tournament since the last OSL. A truly enlightened opinion, thank you. | ||
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AttackZerg
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Ummm maybe in the context that every ksl is dope so worst of the three.... maybe. This season had more novel play by protoss in years and furthered the meta a ton. All my favorite players were knocked out rounds ago and it was still great. Last v Rain was a war. Soulkey lost.... because he got stomped. Like.... so many good games and matchups. So much salt dude. So much. Like reading the sc2 public chat. | ||
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Jaeyun
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Put all that together, stir it up with a bit of luck, and I'm not all that surprised the final four was Protoss (at least after Last was knocked out). Give lots of credit to Snow and Stork for putting up monster games, they 100% deserved it and knocked out the champions. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Game 4&5 were fun, and tastosis were on fire. No hate towards Mini, but there is little to hope from a bw series on stage if Mini is a part of it. The guy is super skilled though, he just cant handle any pressure. About Rain... Wow. I would like to see a rain vs flash series soon, looks like Rain is the #1 in the world right now | ||
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ShowTheLights
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WHO? where you at NOW? Lets FUCKING GO RAIN THE GOD | ||
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EsportsJohn
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On June 09 2019 15:22 ShowTheLights wrote: Who the FUCK said Rain was overrated at the beginning of this season? WHO? where you at NOW? Lets FUCKING GO RAIN THE GOD Rain is overrated. There are just no other great Protoss players at the moment. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On June 09 2019 15:57 EsportsJohn wrote: Rain is overrated. There are just no other great Protoss players at the moment. And no Terrans to beat other Protoss's. And Zergs are weak now too. Yeah overall a pretty good time to be a Protoss player with just solid fundamentals. | ||
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Muff2n
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Now to have witnessed him in RvP I get it. I don't comprehend how he gets it all so right. Obviously he just knows some stuff that the rest of us don't. I hope to see more RvP in the future! | ||
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anyone who hates on flash vs fantasy and jangbi vs zero truly isn't a fan of starcraft. | ||
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On June 10 2019 17:54 GTR wrote: anyone who hates on flash vs fantasy and jangbi vs zero truly isn't a fan of starcraft. 100% agreed. They were amazing. Made the whole tournament great. | ||
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JoinTheRain
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On June 09 2019 06:59 Geographer wrote: KSL 3 had the worst games of any tournament since the last OSL. Do you actually mean the OSL with Jangbi vs Zero and then when he won vs Flash and Fantasy to win his second OSL? If so, just pick another game if that OSL was boring to you. I was at the end pf my seat back then. | ||
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On June 10 2019 19:42 JoinTheRain wrote: Do you actually mean the OSL with Jangbi vs Zero and then when he won vs Flash and Fantasy to win his second OSL? If so, just pick another game if that OSL was boring to you. I was at the end pf my seat back then. I guess he just meant that it had the worst games post KeSPA, not that that OSL was bad. Indeed, if one thinks Zero vs Jangbi was boring he probably hangs on the rooftops of tall building without security devices. | ||
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Barneyk
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Rain was just playing beautifully and Mini was never really able to get into it, and when he did, Rain worked his PvP magic. Storks resurgence and some new protoss plays made this season great imo, it felt a bit weaker overall than most others since the resurgence but it was still great! On June 11 2019 00:11 Amarillo Caballero wrote: Question, so I have never watched Brood War before but watched Rain and Mini. There were a couple of engagements that were ruined by what Tasteless called a Dragoon stop bug. Why did they never patch this? As a first time watcher it really hurt my interest in the game. The bugs in Brood War are part of the game, it is what makes micro so important. You have to embrace the bugs to appreciate BW. Weird pathing, dud scarabs etc. are a huge part of the game | ||
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Anc13nt
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On June 12 2019 04:17 Barneyk wrote: I was a bit disappointing in the finals, the commentary was great though so I had a great time. Rain was just playing beautifully and Mini was never really able to get into it, and when he did, Rain worked his PvP magic. Storks resurgence and some new protoss plays made this season great imo, it felt a bit weaker overall than most others since the resurgence but it was still great! The bugs in Brood War are part of the game, it is what makes micro so important. You have to embrace the bugs to appreciate BW. Weird pathing, dud scarabs etc. are a huge part of the game I'd also like to add that the bug doesn't normally make a big difference in games so these games didn't really give the best impression of how the game is like. That said, I kind of wished they fixed it a long time ago but I think it's too late now since most BW players are reluctant about changing balance in any way through patches. Also, even though reaver scarabs dud a lot, it depends a lot on whether there are buildings or minerals blocking the scarab so even that isn't super luck based imo. | ||
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Amarillo Caballero
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On June 12 2019 12:41 Jealous wrote: On top of that, the Dragoon stop bug is almost entirely preventable and can be fixed almost immediately upon noticing it. If that is enough to kill your interest in the game, you weren't going to be playing long anyway, since your opponent is far more frustrating than the UI is. I've never played brood war before. I'm sure it's super fun to play. It was just dissappointing as a curious spectator to see a unit just stop moving affect what looked like an even engagement. Definitely not here to criticize, sorry if it seemed that way. I was a fan of Rain in sc2 so it's nice to see him doing well. | ||
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Jealous
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On June 12 2019 13:00 Amarillo Caballero wrote: I've never played brood war before. I'm sure it's super fun to play. It was just dissappointing as a curious spectator to see a unit just stop moving affect what looked like an even engagement. Definitely not here to criticize, sorry if it seemed that way. I was a fan of Rain in sc2 so it's nice to see him doing well. The reason the bug happens is because a player actively selected that unit (in this case a Dragoon) and manually told it to fire at a specific enemy unit that exits the original unit's attack range mid-animation. In other words, if the player hadn't targeted a unit that was already running away from it, or had just done a standard attack-move, there would be no bug. This isn't to say that the bug isn't frustrating and that targeting a specific unit isn't sometimes the optimal choice, but it is something that can be fixed with two clicks upon noticing it happening, and you can anticipate it happening when you target a unit moving away from you. If it affected an engagement, it's because the player who was controlling the Dragoon did what is an effectively higher risk higher reward choice (targeting a specific unit that is retreating) and then looked away without confirming that the risk had paid off. To put it more simply, it was a conscious decision from the player to do something that creates the opportunity for said bug to manifest. It's not like this is a very common situation, but it is common enough that players should take it into account, especially professionals. A lot of BW is about bugs that became features or bugs that you can abuse/avoid. And yes, your post did come off as very "wow one bug in one game, BW dumb broken game, bye," to me personally, but perhaps I've just grown tired of seeing these kinds of criticisms over the decades during which people from other games come here to simply shit on the game and blindly threw you in with that lot, so I'm sorry for that if that wasn't your intention. | ||
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Geographer
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anyone who hates on flash vs fantasy and jangbi vs zero truly isn't a fan of starcraft. Do you actually mean the OSL with Jangbi vs Zero and then when he won vs Flash and Fantasy to win his second OSL? If so, just pick another game if that OSL was boring to you. I was at the end pf my seat back then. I loved those matches! They were the peak of Broodwar. I meant to say that the games of KSL 3 were the least interesting of all the post-KESPA era games. | ||
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Turbovolver
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On June 09 2019 15:22 ShowTheLights wrote: Who the FUCK said Rain was overrated at the beginning of this season? WHO? where you at NOW? Lets FUCKING GO RAIN THE GOD It was me, I was one of these. I mean, his PvP is super super good, and these matches really solidified that. Credit where it's due. I'll go on being an anti-fan but respecting him a bunch more. Still waiting to see such crushing play in his other matchups, though. | ||
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TaardadAiel
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On June 14 2019 11:52 Turbovolver wrote: It was me, I was one of these. I mean, his PvP is super super good, and these matches really solidified that. Credit where it's due. I'll go on being an anti-fan but respecting him a bunch more. Still waiting to see such crushing play in his other matchups, though. I don't like Rain too much, but man, he won against Last and Sharp, the best Terran players in the tournament. It's his PvZ, really. | ||
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Jaeyun
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Losing to a guy like Effort or other top tier Zergs in a mini-era where Zergs were at its peak for a bit (less Flash) doesn’t mean his PvZ has problems. It means his opponents were just really good. Even still, he took out Soulkey BO7 in the 3rd/4th place match of KSL just fine and knocked out Hero in ASL. Trust me, no pro Zerg playing Rain is thinking it’s going to be a walk in the park. Most of my commentary above comes from watching their actual streams and comments from other pros about him, rather than only tournament results, which ultimately determines greatness, but still needs context. | ||
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Jealous
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On June 15 2019 02:35 Jaeyun wrote: His PvZ is fine, tbh, not sure where this narrative that his PvZ sucks is coming from. It’s not legendary or revolutionary but he can play both early, mid, and late very well. Losing to a guy like Effort or other top tier Zergs in a mini-era where Zergs were at its peak for a bit (less Flash) doesn’t mean his PvZ has problems. It means his opponents were just really good. Even still, he took out Soulkey BO7 in the 3rd/4th place match of KSL just fine and knocked out Hero in ASL. Most of my commentary above comes from watching their actual streams and comments from other pros about him, rather than only tournament results, which ultimately determines greatness, but still needs context. Bisu ruined PvZ standards for everyone IMO. Made it feel like it was Bisu and everyone else, even though plenty of people in late KeSPA and in the modern era have solid PvZ. It isn't as flashy or at times as convincing but it is by no means bad for Rain. | ||
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