EPTWe should just enjoy seeing him play.
[ASL6] Semifinals B - Flash vs Shuttle - Page 13
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
We should just enjoy seeing him play. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden317 Posts
On October 24 2018 07:38 Yanokabo wrote: Bisu should come back. He was the only person with apm as good as flashes. Janbgi had the matchup sense to play flash and win sometimes, and fantasy as well. Those 3 are the best flash snipers to ever play on other teams. Too bad they’re all retired. Effort and jd are number 4 and 5 and they still play. Bisu is in the army isnt he? And I was so sad when Fantasy came back to SC2 instead of BW.  And I just rewatched the last Kespa era game where Jangbi beat Fantasy, man, I want Jangbi back so much. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Fantasy will probably eventually come back, though whether he comes back when Flash has left is another question. I don't believe that he's living up to his potential in that game, but I don't follow it closely either. Jangbi quit for good. He asked that fans don't remind him of his past, since it's quite likely that he is trying to move on. Sad, but we should respect his wishes, aka, people need to eventually move on imo unless he decides to come back and play seriously. Last time he came back, things didn't go as anticipated. | ||
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oxKnu
1262 Posts
On October 24 2018 07:42 StarscreamG1 wrote: I don't care about mechanics. The most amazing thing about FlaSh is that he understands the game at another level. The decisions making we're seeing are from an alien. We should just enjoy seeing him play. You should care about mechanics. Stork for example has the same vast amount of knowledge yet he routinely fails because of lackluster mechanics for the highest pro level. --- It was definitely tongue-in-cheek for me to say that I would lose respect for Flash if he didn't switch to Protoss after this ASL. However there's a real advantage to doing that. I've seen him this year get literally bored out of his mind playing games vs. Larva and Best, players that would at least give him a good run not too long ago. His level is just untouchable at this point. Plus imagine that competitive mind trying to REALLY figure out a new race. That would be incredible to watch from tournament to tournament. (his PvT would probably be amazing right away with PvZ being the hardest matchup for him). | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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oxKnu
1262 Posts
On October 24 2018 08:01 BigFan wrote: You assume that that competitive mind would actually push that hard to figure out the other races. You also assume that he'll find something that the other players haven't already. There's no guarantee that Flash will be able to push either of the two races farther than they already are. Speculation is fun of course, who knows. And if that were to be true, that would be riveting to witness as well and another testament to how great BW is (imo). As for your first point, I wouldn't underestimate a real competitor like Flash. These types of guys are built to win and/or figure out the last fray of possibility in doing that. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden317 Posts
I hope we can see something emerge that gives BW as an E-sport a way to continue... | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
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Athinira
Denmark33 Posts
On October 24 2018 07:59 oxKnu wrote: It was definitely tongue-in-cheek for me to say that I would lose respect for Flash if he didn't switch to Protoss after this ASL. However there's a real advantage to doing that. I've seen him this year get literally bored out of his mind playing games vs. Larva and Best, players that would at least give him a good run not too long ago. His level is just untouchable at this point. Plus imagine that competitive mind trying to REALLY figure out a new race. That would be incredible to watch from tournament to tournament. (his PvT would probably be amazing right away with PvZ being the hardest matchup for him). The problem is that Flash is getting old. There's a reason E-sports players generally emerge in their prime when they're teens to early adults. Yes, Flash is still amazing, but unfortunately, age really does slow your ability to learn, and it starts already in your mid-twenties - same reason that children are much better at learning languages than adults are. Learning a new race all over is a tense mental challenge. You'll have to redevelop all yours habits and thought processes from the bottom. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the clock is definitely ticking. | ||
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11089 Posts
I miss the big classic PvT of game 3 with max armies dancing about. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
We should give them a chance. I don’t see any of you guys flying to Korea yourselfs to cast. At least we can enjoy their enthusiasm for the game. Also, rapid and noregret should know that everyone posting that they hated their stream at least watched it for awhile. At least they are getting views. I thank them for casting. I prefer a cast by them than a korean cast. Noregret though I seriously pray for him he reads up on the strategies of ZvT/TvZ. It would do a lot of good if he knew something however small. Best of luck. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2600 Posts
The broodwar watching demographic should be mostly late 20s and early 30s right? | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
Rapid and Noregret please read that to learn about new ZvT meta for countering 1-1-1 build http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/530266-flashs-1-1-1-variation And that to learn what the 1-1-1 build Terran uses is. | ||
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Motivate
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
In order to take advantage of the window [in the 1-1-1 build] at which Terran is vulnerable without the risk inherent in 2-hatch builds [i.e. the risk for Zerg to get out-defended and out-macroed], hero brought back the so-called 2.5-hatch or 18-hatch build, a late 3-hatch build in which the mutalisks pop at the same time as 2-hatch muta builds. In the past, Flash once explained why the 18-hatch mutalisk opening is a good response to the 1-1-1. Due to the fast mutalisk timing, the wraith cannot scout what the Zerg is doing because it must come home to defend the two turrets near the barracks. This means that now the Terran has to play blind as to what Zerg is making after the first few mutalisks. Lings? Mutalisks? Hydras? Terran cannot scan because the 1-1-1 build does not allow the Terran to have scans at that timing. The wraith normally covers that weakness in the 1-1-1 but the 18-hatch build totally destroys the wraith's scouting abilities by forcing it to come home to defend. A wraith cannot be in two places at the same time after all. The best that Terran can do is to sacrifice some vultures to see what the Zerg is making. 9 drone scout 12 hatchery at natural 11 pool 13 extractor Lair @100 gas Two zerglings 18 third hatchery 17 overlord, drone Unfortunately, this was still not a good enough solution for the Zerg since this build is weak against the +1 5 rax build, which is another one of Flash’s favorite builds." That explains the new 2.5 hatch build that is good against 1-1-1 | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2600 Posts
On October 24 2018 08:01 BigFan wrote: You assume that that competitive mind would actually push that hard to figure out the other races. You also assume that he'll find something that the other players haven't already. There's no guarantee that Flash will be able to push either of the two races farther than they already are. Speculation is fun of course, who knows. The positive side of me clings onto the slither of hope that there is still more strategic advantages to be extracted from zerg and protoss sides. And yearn for a dominant protoss/zerg tournament winner. I believe are just somethings that mapmakers will never be able to balance out. | ||
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