EPT[ASL6] Semifinals B - Flash vs Shuttle - Page 11
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 24 2018 00:24 Bonyth wrote: or it could be that he reached the level that is impossible for other races to reach Honestly, Flash's credentials are unparalleled. I guess there is concern about legacy cementing, but I think that's about as solid as it gets. It would be pretty fascinating if he tried to switch and get good with another race. I keep secretly hoping this will happen just to see him try. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Wait. So Tastosis isn't casting the ASL finals? I thought they worked for Afreeca, either I don't understand the situation or it's very odd that Afreeca wouldn't want their premier casters for the final of their premier event. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On October 24 2018 01:34 L_Master wrote: Wait. So Tastosis isn't casting the ASL finals? I thought they worked for Afreeca, either I don't understand the situation or it's very odd that Afreeca wouldn't want their premier casters for the final of their premier event. Probably they will be busy at blizzcon | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3103 Posts
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Brainojack
Canada195 Posts
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
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oxKnu
1180 Posts
In everything he does he displays that he is eons away from any other human being touching a keyboard and playing BW. I'm glad that it's Effort in the finals though. I hope he doesn't shy away from his only chance of winning and that is early, all-in attacks. | ||
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flyingrat
43 Posts
On October 24 2018 02:24 asel wrote: I wish that one day after his retirement Flash will publish his memoirs and show us mortals how Broodwar is meant to be played. 1) click the drop down menu 2) select Terran 3) ??? 4) OP User was warned for this post | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On October 24 2018 01:32 L_Master wrote: Flash is amazing, but Starcraft has a long history of Terran dominance, and I think the last few years as we increasingly reach that [theoretically unreachable] point of total knowledge, terran looks increasingly strong. It's not clear where Flash the legend begins and ends relative to Tesagi. It is clear to any rational observer that tesagi exists; just look at the strategical initiative current in tvz. 1-1-1 has basically deconstructed an already strategically very simple race. Throwing lings and hydras at terran is not a tenable solution. Effort vs last should be seen for what it is: Effort played very well hurrah, but we shouldnt lose sight of the very real despair behind how effort is playing. What he did is simply not tenable over the long term for zerg, and it wont be workable against flash. Worse, its not even the start of a blueprint for how to deal with 1-1-1. All ins like this are a very bad sign, especially given zerg hasnt created a new build in general for over a decade, so anyone that expects something new to arrive is kidding themselves.Honestly, Flash's credentials are unparalleled. I guess there is concern about legacy cementing, but I think that's about as solid as it gets. It would be pretty fascinating if he tried to switch and get good with another race. I keep secretly hoping this will happen just to see him try. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
OT: A much better series than Flash vs Mini lol. Shuttle actually tried for the macro games 3 times in a row whereas Mini didn't seem like he wanted to. Props to Shuttle for trying, although it seemed like he had already thrown in the flag even before game 1 started. He had the eco advantage (or seemed to) in game 3, but he went heavy zealots. Guessing he didn't want to engage due to the high vulture count, but then he tries to attack the third of Flash, gets his army cornered, wiped out, then proceeds to lose the game anti-climatically. Game 2 had that great drop play from Flash, and great scout early, but Shuttle never bothered to go further than 3 bases. His 4 in the corner got blocked, and I guess he didn't want to risk the base at 12 but cmon man, either establish that corner base, or take the base at 12 and work hard on trying to defend both. It felt like he just rolled over and died in each game, despite putting up a great fight from the macro game perspective. Must've been rough to see all those probes die though in game 2, heart breaking. Tanks just walking into his expansion in game 3 was rough too. Funny part is that Flash had no arbiter defense in his main. A single recall would've wrecked his main, and forced him to commit to a retreat at which point Shuttle would've been able to bust that third imo. Of course, there was always the possibility of Flash scouting the arbiters or that he'll still attack Shuttle with a nice army split to save the main. Would've liked to see arbiters used in these games, but they were late in the last game? Well, results as expected GG. Flash vs EffOrt should be interesting. Flash to win 3-0 (or 3-1 at best). | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
Please no balance whining The fact that balance discussion is considered synonymous with whining is why this community has such a cult like atmosphere regarding broodwar. in this thread and let's focus on the games today. If we cant discuss balance how are we supposed to discuss these games meaningfully?Tanks go peww! Bang bang! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 I'm pretty sure you can discuss the games, and what you think Flash or Shuttle did great or bad that contributed to the final result. What you believe is the best strategy on the maps, or how you believe the matchup will change as time goes on. Who you believe can beat Flash, or how Protoss can approach the matchup in general. There's a lot of stuff that can be discussed, however, going "it is clear to any rational observer that tesagi exists" is not balance discussion, it's balance whining at its finest. I'm not exactly sure how you're trying to justify this, cmon. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland560 Posts
Except for the highest possible level, of course :D | ||
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ppp87
Laos250 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
Speaking about broadcast, it's an incredible disappointment, that Tastetossis will not cast the finals... We will have mr. Rapid and mr. Soya casting. I would be fine with Rapid solo casting, as he made tremendous progress since the early days as a BroodWar commentator, but that Soya guy is soooo boring - every word that comes from his mouth is about him being very good in Starcraft 2... Flash annihilating Mini and Shuttle were the most disappointing battles i've seen this season. I am not sure should i be shocked at just how poorly Mini and Shuttle prepared or that Flash just reached ultra instinct Gosu level - a level beyond what he was in ASL5. Somebody please post a working link to todays match! | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On October 24 2018 02:45 oxKnu wrote: After Flash wins this ASL if he doesn't switch races and competes that way I will lose respect for him. In everything he does he displays that he is eons away from any other human being touching a keyboard and playing BW. I'm glad that it's Effort in the finals though. I hope he doesn't shy away from his only chance of winning and that is early, all-in attacks. well thats just stupid | ||
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