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On May 31 2007 10:20 MorningWood wrote:
"Skew doesn't owe the community shit, he plays on a ladder for himself and to gain skill."
well if u knew how to read merz u would know that skew plays for his entertainment and a small group of friends...so theres no reason for him to complain about losing pts for replay restrict....
Yeah sry didn't read that post, that however doesn't change that he owes you nothing. And what do you call playing for entertainment? I'd say that is playing for himself.
On May 31 2007 11:52 ishob wrote:
Merz is it really so greedy to want to be able to dl reps of good players? Like i said before if the player is only playing to practice, why would he care about the 10% penalty? Noone is asking for the replay restriction option be removed, but a 10% penalty is fair for all parts.
Also the success of pgt as opposed to wgt is in the eye of the beholder I guess, I mean pgt was a ladder with the top 150 being korean smurfs, successful for sure but imho wgt is greater for the community the way it is. What wouldn't you give to be able to dl all of those pgt reps btw?
It's not greedy as long as you only put it that way. But when people start flaming the players and the system just cause they claim they have right to watch em, things start going bad.
And to answer the last question, I sure as hell wouldn't trade PGT's success for accessing all those replays. And you forget to think about if the reps were made public, maybe there wouldn't be "all those reps" to download hence koreans would be scared off.
One question though, why do you think PGT had top150 filled with korean smurfs? And yeah sure it's greater for the community, but if the players choose not to play just because of it, will there even be a community in the long run?
And something I'd like to make clear:
I did not know players were complaining about the -10% pts restriction. That's reasonable from wgtours side imo. You restrict your replays, while others expose them, of course ther has to be some "downside" with restricting them.
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now i agree 100% with merz that he has read the thread ;D
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how can it take so much time to get up a new sever ?
were we once again betrayed ?
; )
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how are you betrayed at all? I hate dumb ass comments like this.
1) Season 14 won't start until all BUGS are fixed . All the bugs are not fixed yet, so it won't start.
2) Even with new server... WGT won't start until bugs are fixed, so it doesn't matter about the server, but by the time bugs are fixed, new server will be up and running.
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They ordered the server so it's not like they are "betraying us" You rather have a white page saying "server load too high" all the time or a working season? ;o
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guees what the what the fucking ; ) smilie was for..
any ideas ??
^o^
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Skew
how the hell do i think that? every fucking time i post about myself i admit im nothing in sc. i know that, everyone elses know that, i dont give a shit. i dont play this game to make anyone care. i play for a very small group of friends and to entertain myself. my replays arent your property, so fuck off.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, the first and last time i played you on europe, i think you bmed me after for like 15min on op tot).
You're a joke.
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merz....................... ;(
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On May 31 2007 11:48 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Its obvious.
Replay restrict will be better for the few good players and worse for everyone else. Thats my oppinion... Im not bitching, Im saying i dont like it... you are bitching with me though, writing in capslock etc, childish.
The reason i called him stupid was that he read a few lines in what i had to say and critizised me for that..
The replay restrict will be worse for me since i wanna start play zerg and download replays with zvp from favourite players. And i think most players liked the fact that they could download replays from WGT.
and hey, dont say something like "i dont care if its worse for u" coz i dont care if you dont care.. see my point?
you seem to believe that its the community's right to download every practice game replay played on a ladder. this is simply not the case. as CTStalker said, there are plenty of sources to learn from, whether it be YGClan or YaoYuan or the many replay packs made by good players here.
yes many players liked the replay feature from WGT but again, there's no rule or contract stating that replays should be public. i don't know why you see that as some sort of injustice, that a top player would not want his practice games released. they are the player's games and it is WGT's decision to include the replay-restrict feature.
you seem to believe you're entitled to all replays because somehow it will "make the community worse" by having replay restrict even though this is completely not the case, and then you flame and call people stupid for disagreeing with you when you're the one making illogical assumptions.
if you don't like replay restrict, PM skew or the WGT organizers and ask nicely, if that doesn't work simply don't play WGT. there is nothing else you can really do. skew and WGT don't "owe" the you or the community replays or anything for that matter.
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On May 31 2007 14:49 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2007 10:20 MorningWood wrote:
"Skew doesn't owe the community shit, he plays on a ladder for himself and to gain skill."
well if u knew how to read merz u would know that skew plays for his entertainment and a small group of friends...so theres no reason for him to complain about losing pts for replay restrict.... Yeah sry didn't read that post, that however doesn't change that he owes you nothing. And what do you call playing for entertainment? I'd say that is playing for himself. Show nested quote +On May 31 2007 11:52 ishob wrote:
Merz is it really so greedy to want to be able to dl reps of good players? Like i said before if the player is only playing to practice, why would he care about the 10% penalty? Noone is asking for the replay restriction option be removed, but a 10% penalty is fair for all parts.
Also the success of pgt as opposed to wgt is in the eye of the beholder I guess, I mean pgt was a ladder with the top 150 being korean smurfs, successful for sure but imho wgt is greater for the community the way it is. What wouldn't you give to be able to dl all of those pgt reps btw? It's not greedy as long as you only put it that way. But when people start flaming the players and the system just cause they claim they have right to watch em, things start going bad. And to answer the last question, I sure as hell wouldn't trade PGT's success for accessing all those replays. And you forget to think about if the reps were made public, maybe there wouldn't be "all those reps" to download hence koreans would be scared off. One question though, why do you think PGT had top150 filled with korean smurfs? And yeah sure it's greater for the community, but if the players choose not to play just because of it, will there even be a community in the long run? And something I'd like to make clear: I did not know players were complaining about the -10% pts restriction. That's reasonable from wgtours side imo. You restrict your replays, while others expose them, of course ther has to be some "downside" with restricting them.
I think I dissagree with about 90% of everything you just said... 
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I would rather have strong korean involvement than reps for every single player.
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Who really cares?
If some players restrict, so be it. There's plenty more to choose from.
I think the system is actually a really good idea and to be honest I really like it and think it's fine.
Players shouldn't really complain about a -10% for restricting, and people shouldn't really complain about players restricting. (Unless they're all doing it), then it's just a bit silly).
I don't intend to restrict my own replays if I start playing when I get home, but I can understand why some people would. For instance, Americans may have American WCG coming up. And despite what they say, it's obvious many of them really want to win it. But if I were to practice for WCG using WGTour, I might restrict.
Shrug.
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But you can just download replays from other players whats the point !?
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You can't when the new season is released
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the penalty still has no point. folks, like me, who use it for warmup and practice want to use their usual builds, but don't want them available to onlookers. why on earth should i take a 10% penalty for that? the only thing it does is make me feel negatively towards wgtour. no one's going to get the replays because of it.
if you really want replays from someone, just ask. you don't have to be a dick about it and give them a bad time for it on a forum. i can tell you that there is no player in the bw scene that wouldn't be happy someone is asking them for replays (even if they deny it because they think they already get too many requests).
on top of that, we're going to lose koreans for it. you can say we wont, but we will. i know that the way i feel about my replays is a fraction of what korean amateurs and pros feel about their own. i know why certain posters at ygclan have only 1 arm and 4 toes on their feet.
anyways, no one that makes these decisions is probably paying attention to this thread, so ill have to find that extra 5 minutes a day to make up that fucking wasteful 10% loss. son of a bitch =(
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On June 03 2007 07:51 Skew wrote:
i know why certain posters at ygclan have only 1 arm and 4 toes on their feet.
=(
ahahah made my day
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I'm just wondering when the FUCK WGT gonna be back up and running again? It's like they teased us for a couple of weeks with sweet honey, then left us waiting in a sink of pig shit. FUCK THOSE EXCUSES about bugs and insects, its gonna take ages for Mister Blizz to fix it. The least they could've done was to leave the server at beta season.
BB WGT T.T, holy mother of fuck.
edit: fucking typos all over the place.
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