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[ASL2] Finals: Sea vs FlaSh - Page 14

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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 22 2017 08:55 GMT
#261
On January 22 2017 17:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
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On January 22 2017 17:48 gngfn wrote:
So weird to see Flash with such abysmal army positioning and movement. I really don't understand what he's thinking in this game






Yeah, he corrected. But if Sea had taken advantage of Flash's thinness near 1 and the ground he briefly gained near 5, he could have put Flash in a very awkward economic position. Sea just didn't have the multitask (or perhaps the understanding) to make use of his gains.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 22 2017 08:56 GMT
#262
On January 22 2017 17:52 r.Evo wrote:
This was REALLY well done by Sea nevertheless, small changes and he can take some home if he keeps this up.

this. Aside from the vulture runby at his third, Sea played extremely well. Could've taken that but Flash grabbing that fourth earlier gave him an advantage+killing all workers at Sea's third.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
January 22 2017 08:56 GMT
#263
Sea has advantaged clearly but he didn't take it.

Sea should change his units to wairth or drop to 12h location but He didn't.
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
January 22 2017 08:57 GMT
#264
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
January 22 2017 08:57 GMT
#265
For a time, I thought Flash was being too fancy and technical when trying to make a Wraith and Dropship fleet work while Sea seemed to excel in map control and ground army size, but that air force ended up pulling off some sick moves in the end.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 22 2017 08:57 GMT
#266
On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
January 22 2017 08:58 GMT
#267
On January 22 2017 17:55 Elyvilon wrote:
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On January 22 2017 17:52 c3rberUs wrote:
lol Sea attacked into the heaviest concentration of tanks

GG lol

he'd given up

I think sea's big problem that game was that he had, like, a dozen tanks and a handful of goliaths concerning a worthless patch of land in the middle of his seige line and those units might as well have not existed. If he'd had 8 tanks and 4 dships it probably would have been more effective

He should have gotten dropships earlier imo but his eco is kinda yaeh
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 22 2017 08:58 GMT
#268
On January 22 2017 17:47 c3rberUs wrote:
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On January 22 2017 17:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
still dont know much about BW but this is pretty entertaining

TvT is the hardest matchup to analyse so don't sweat it.

Flash vs T is usually easier to analyse though: both players make moves around the map until Flash finds an opening and wins.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 22 2017 08:58 GMT
#269
I dunno if I would say it was passive. He was really aggressive early on and that push towards Flash's natural was quite dangerous but after that, he went passive lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 22 2017 08:59 GMT
#270
Afreeca can't handle bw fans
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 22 2017 08:59 GMT
#271
On January 22 2017 17:57 HolydaKing wrote:
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On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?

Sea needed to take more proactive action. Whether that action was expanding or attacking is something else entirely, but usually terran expands like wildfire once you take your third because even if you lose a base it's just minerals who cares and it's hard to break them head-on anyway
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ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
January 22 2017 08:59 GMT
#272
Flash's experience really shines when the game drags on longer.

Also it is much more cost effective to spend your supply on dropships as tank numbers have a diminishing return with splash damage + upgrades.
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
January 22 2017 08:59 GMT
#273
On January 22 2017 17:57 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?

There are lots of things he could've done and I'm sure Sea could explain them to you better than anybody here if he also had obs vision and lots of free time to think about strategy like us.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28098 Posts
January 22 2017 09:00 GMT
#274
On January 22 2017 17:59 classicyellow83 wrote:
Afreeca can't handle bw fans

I have issues with Afreeca regardless so I just use the youtube one
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
January 22 2017 09:00 GMT
#275
On January 22 2017 17:57 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?

There is no passive playstyle in TvT though. When you're passive you're either a) dying or b) just not doing anything which leads to a).
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
January 22 2017 09:00 GMT
#276
On January 22 2017 17:57 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?

He took a lot of worker harrass to begin, slowing his 3rd, then lost all the workers at his third. How can he expand as fast? The problem was he had no mobility. He really needed to thin out his army in the middle, add a few turrets and work on securing the top instead of yielding it to 4 tanks for a long time. If he finishes his turret line up there and with a few defensive units, the game becomes very different.
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allmylifethereyougo
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom24 Posts
January 22 2017 09:00 GMT
#277
On January 22 2017 17:57 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?



Wouldn't the initial wraiths have been able to just end the game had sea gone for a greedier build?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 22 2017 09:00 GMT
#278
On January 22 2017 17:59 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 17:57 HolydaKing wrote:
On January 22 2017 17:57 Lachrymose wrote:
Sea was too passive, but it isn't easy. Attacking Flash is hard.

Well, considering he was playing a passive playstyle he probably should have tried to expand as fast as Flash, or am I wrong?

Sea needed to take more proactive action. Whether that action was expanding or attacking is something else entirely, but usually terran expands like wildfire once you take your third because even if you lose a base it's just minerals who cares and it's hard to break them head-on anyway

Yeah that feels like what Flash was thinking. He was expanding everywhere, and it worked.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 22 2017 09:01 GMT
#279
without seeing his face. That is BeSt's sweater
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 22 2017 09:02 GMT
#280
I think if Sea instead tried to 2 port dropship to counter drop he would've won.
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