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Welcome to the Results and Standings thread of the Amateur StarLeague. Here is where you will find everything you need to compete in the league. All match ups will be posted in this thread every Sunday.
FORMAT
The format is Proleague style with a twist. Each week, two teams will face off in a Best of 6 tier based system. The tiers are as follows:
D+ cutoff <map A> D+ cutoff
D+ cutoff <map B> D+ cutoff
C- cutoff<map C> C- cutoff
C cutoff<map D> C cutoff
C cutoff <map E> C cutoff
C+ cutoff <map F> C+ cutoff
Each Saturday, before 03:59 GMT (+00:00), the TEAM CAPTAINS will submit a line up USING TL.net PRIVATE MESSAGE of players that correspond with each tier.
Players who represent a skill lower than a cutoff may be placed in that tier, but players who represent a skill higher than a cutoff may not be placed in that tier. Players have up until the next line up submission to play their games. This time is Saturday, 23:59 EST, Sunday, 05:59 CET, or Sunday, 17:59 NZDT
Teams will rotate Round Robin style each week. This means each team will play each other over the course of 5 weeks. Each win per player counts as 1 point. After 5 weeks, the Amateur TeamLeague's organization will evaluate the position of the league a determine how to move forward.
THE TEAMS
MAPS AND MATCHES
- Players are responsible for contacting their opponent and organizing their match.
- Replays and Results must be submitted to theamateurstarleague@gmail.com.
- Random players are required to pick a race each week. It can change week to week.
RULES
- All players are subject to administrative discretion.
- This league is for D and C ranks players only using the iCCup ladder ranking system.
- Anti-hack must be used in order to play in this league. I suggest mca64launcher.
- Don't cheat.
- Don't smurf, there's no point. + Show Spoiler +
We will all shame you if you are A+ player farming low ranks. You'd just be ruining the fun for everyone >,>
- All replays must be sent to theamateurstarleague@gmail.com. Each player is responsible for sending his/her replay.
- Team Captains must send line ups.
- Captains do not have to be D/C ranks. Obviously they can't play in the league, but they can help organize/coach players.
- Coaches are allowed and encouraged. Once again, they do not have to be D/C ranks.
- Players that reach B- during any point of the League are allowed to remain in the league (It's about that improvement!)
- Unplayable lag cases are handled on a case-to-case basis.
- There are no substitutions in this league for any match. You have a week to play your match. If your opponent is consistently dodging you or you have trouble getting in touch with them, PM Shimy and the situation will be handled with his discretion. Failure to do so may result in a W.O.
- Teams may add players during the course of the league, however, players must be added at least 2 days prior to line up submissions in order to play that week.
ORGANIZATION
Organizers: Shimy and ggrrg
Caster: Lmaster
Liquipedia: ggrrg
Map Committee: Freakling and CardinalAllin
iCCup Legit Checker: Cele
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Poll: How come?1 fish (1) 25% 2 fish (1) 25% red fish (1) 25% blue fish (1) 25% 4 total votes Your vote: How come? (Vote): 1 fish
(Vote): 2 fish
(Vote): red fish
(Vote): blue fish
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Alright, I think I got everything correct in the OP, but I'm sure someone will tell me if I didn't. The format is updated and matchups are also there.
1) My team's name is a placeholder (And a pretty good one if you ask me) until LMaster gives me the official name.
2) Free Agents are about to get assigned to teams according the team's needs.
3) I'm giving Club Starcraft through tomorrow to find a D rank player in order to be able to submit a complete line up (basically just 1 extra day. I still need a line up tomorrow before 11:59 EDT. Please make it a priority to find a D rank who can play 1 game next week ;D)
4) There's a new rule about random players. I'm just requiring them to have a set race (race picking included if applicable) each week in order to keep the games more balanced and ultimately fair.
And yeah, good luck to everyone.
EDIT:
  JaeDonG.- C Added to Sexy Gladiators
  Seriosity C Added to WeMadeC
Talent C+ Added to WeMadeC
 samsung865 C+ Added to DeSPA
waterbender C+ Added to Bunny SlayerS
 Melchsee D Added to Club Starcraft
These players were added according to need, however, if both teams had the same need, and 1 or more players could fill that need, the players were selected at random. This was to prevent bias on behalf of the organization. Teams are allowed to trade players, but trades can only occur if both players being traded are not currently in the week's lineup. Trades are also only 1 for 1 and must take place at least 2 days prior to line up submissions.
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Hey I made a small banner for this thread, you can use it if you want to, but you don't need to 
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4) There's a new rule about random players. I'm just requiring them to have a set race (race picking included if applicable) each week in order to keep the games more balanced and ultimately fair.
I think that is unfair towards the random players to be honest. But if that is your decission, then I would like to change my race to Protoss...
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On November 06 2015 21:49 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +4) There's a new rule about random players. I'm just requiring them to have a set race (race picking included if applicable) each week in order to keep the games more balanced and ultimately fair. I think that is unfair towards the random players to be honest. But if that is your decission, then I would like to change my race to Protoss...
Thanks for the banner!
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is best of 1? or best of 3?  
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On November 06 2015 22:43 AmatistA wrote:is best of 1? or best of 3?
Best of 1
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On November 06 2015 23:02 Shimy wrote:Best of 1
All or Nothing then... Gogogo
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So, we have 2 players that play every week and 4 players who get to play once every 4 weeks? :-/
Also, please add LuMiX to my roster, he's D+ now. - Seriously though, Talent is AT LEAST as good as Lumix now...
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On November 06 2015 23:56 Eywa- wrote:
So, we have 2 players that play every week and 4 players who get to play once every 4 weeks? :-/
Also, please add LuMiX to my roster, he's D+ now. - Seriously though, Talent is AT LEAST as good as Lumix now...
Yeah but lumix has reached a skill higher than C+ on iCCup. I can't take all these borderline cases or I have to take them all and then it's incredibly hard to balance the league. That's why I made the ridiculous cutoff in the first place. It's hard to make sure everyone plays other people of equal skill.
And the reason we have 2 players that play every week is because I was the only one who was recruiting players lol Go ahead and add more! ^^
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I think C vs C- is possible or isnt?
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On November 07 2015 00:09 AmatistA wrote:
I think C vs C- is possible or isnt?
If a C- plays in a C cutoff, yes.
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On November 07 2015 00:18 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:09 AmatistA wrote:
I think C vs C- is possible or isnt? If a C- plays in a C cutoff, yes.
cutoffs are just that, a D rank can play in the C+ cutoff if need be, but the C+ can't play in the D+ cutoff because he's ranked higher than D+
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On November 06 2015 21:49 chrisolo wrote:[...] Show nested quote +4) There's a new rule about random players. I'm just requiring them to have a set race (race picking included if applicable) each week in order to keep the games more balanced and ultimately fair. I think that is unfair towards the random players to be honest. But if that is your decission, then I would like to change my race to Protoss...
If anything playing random is hugely unfair towards your opponents in my opinion.
Considering the fundamentally different build orders each race has in some matchups not knowing what race you are against puts you at a huge disadvantage.
I cannot think of a single build order that is viable for Protoss in both PvZ and PvT. Basically, toss would need to guess correctly and blind counter or else he is absurdly far behind.
It is not much different for Z or T (think ZvZ vs ZvP, TvP vs TvZ). Even if you go for some really safe build against random you are very likely to have put yourself at such a disadvantage that you will probably be stomped by any mid-game timing even if executed in a poor fashion.
Additionally, random removes other key components from a weekly league such as strategy planning and the ability to practice for your match.
The league already barely has any restrictions on race selection as it is with the possibilty to only choose specific matchups to play or pick your race on a weekly basis.
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On November 07 2015 00:06 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 23:56 Eywa- wrote:
So, we have 2 players that play every week and 4 players who get to play once every 4 weeks? :-/
Also, please add LuMiX to my roster, he's D+ now. - Seriously though, Talent is AT LEAST as good as Lumix now... Yeah but lumix has reached a skill higher than C+ on iCCup. I can't take all these borderline cases or I have to take them all and then it's incredibly hard to balance the league. That's why I made the ridiculous cutoff in the first place. It's hard to make sure everyone plays other people of equal skill. And the reason we have 2 players that play every week is because I was the only one who was recruiting players lol Go ahead and add more! ^^
My point was that the LuMiX edge case is not very different (if at all) from the Talent edge case.
A good example of a similar case would be that you have me listed as C- despite the fact that I've never actually had a C- account. This is based on an arbitrary value you're attributing to my skill. You're doing the same thing for Talent but on the other side of the spectrum, you're estimating his skill to be C+, when I would probably estimate it at B-.
I just want LuMiX on the team for fun ;d not due to balance issues, we already have some C+, so he wouldn't even be able to play every week.
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On November 07 2015 02:05 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:49 chrisolo wrote:[...] 4) There's a new rule about random players. I'm just requiring them to have a set race (race picking included if applicable) each week in order to keep the games more balanced and ultimately fair. I think that is unfair towards the random players to be honest. But if that is your decission, then I would like to change my race to Protoss... If anything playing random is hugely unfair towards your opponents in my opinion. Considering the fundamentally different build orders each race has in some matchups not knowing what race you are against puts you at a huge disadvantage. I cannot think of a single build order that is viable for Protoss in both PvZ and PvT. Basically, toss would need to guess correctly and blind counter or else he is absurdly far behind. It is not much different for Z or T (think ZvZ vs ZvP, TvP vs TvZ). Even if you go for some really safe build against random you are very likely to have put yourself at such a disadvantage that you will probably be stomped by any mid-game timing even if executed in a poor fashion. Additionally, random removes other key components from a weekly league such as strategy planning and the ability to practice for your match. The league already barely has any restrictions on race selection as it is with the possibilty to only choose specific matchups to play or pick your race on a weekly basis.
I already had this discussion too damn often here and anywhere else. No one can really understand how much harder it is to play random, when you did not commit to play random at one point (not just some fun random). You need to know 9 matchups, instead of 3. That is such a huge deficit, it really outweighs the randomness the opponent faces by a huge margin. Also scouting on 6 or 7 is not that much of a disadvantage in our skill levels. But I do not want to start this discussion over again, I already obeyed to Shimy's decission, so no need for an argument.
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On November 07 2015 04:10 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 02:05 ggrrg wrote:On November 06 2015 21:49 chrisolo wrote:[...] 4) There's a new rule about random players. I'm just requiring them to have a set race (race picking included if applicable) each week in order to keep the games more balanced and ultimately fair. I think that is unfair towards the random players to be honest. But if that is your decission, then I would like to change my race to Protoss... If anything playing random is hugely unfair towards your opponents in my opinion. Considering the fundamentally different build orders each race has in some matchups not knowing what race you are against puts you at a huge disadvantage. I cannot think of a single build order that is viable for Protoss in both PvZ and PvT. Basically, toss would need to guess correctly and blind counter or else he is absurdly far behind. It is not much different for Z or T (think ZvZ vs ZvP, TvP vs TvZ). Even if you go for some really safe build against random you are very likely to have put yourself at such a disadvantage that you will probably be stomped by any mid-game timing even if executed in a poor fashion. Additionally, random removes other key components from a weekly league such as strategy planning and the ability to practice for your match. The league already barely has any restrictions on race selection as it is with the possibilty to only choose specific matchups to play or pick your race on a weekly basis. I already had this discussion too damn often here and anywhere else.
Just because you had this discussion before does not make your opinion superior to that of others.
No one can really understand how much harder it is to play random, when you did not commit to play random at one point (not just some fun random). You need to know 9 matchups, instead of 3. That is such a huge deficit, it really outweighs the randomness the opponent faces by a huge margin.
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. 6 is still twice as much as 3, though, and additionally you need to be mechanically proficient with all three racesm which is hard as well.
However, the truth of the matter is that you do not really need to be very proficient in those matchups. Random allows you to effectively cut those matchups in half considering that you will often be far enough ahead up to the mid-game. The advantages you get by playing random are large enough to let you end the game by the early-mid game unless your opponent blind counters you. Your opponent is forced to play very safely no matter what race he is. This allows you to abuse mid-game timings in such a way that he can hardly hold... nevermind all the different early all-ins you can throw at him. It is true that the random player has it much harder if the game goes to the late-game, but the real problem is that the random player can decide to end it much earlier far too often without the opponent having much of a chance.
Also scouting on 6 or 7 is not that much of a disadvantage in our skill levels.
1. This is just blatantly saying that you expect your opponent to play with an economic disadvantage.
2. There is a huge range of skill levels in the league
3. On a 4 player map, you cannot possibly expect to scout the random player in time in any consistent manner in order to react properly. When you consider that you have matchups like PvZ vs PvT where literally the 2nd building is different in a standard build order, you basically always have toss at a disadvantage unless he blind counters.
But I do not want to start this discussion over again, I already obeyed to Shimy's decission, so no need for an argument.
The discussion was started as soon as you said that the decision was unfair.
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The whole discussion about random is really dumb. Playing random at just about any rank is a significant disadvantage. It is pretty much guaranteed that at least 2 of your races will be weaker than they could otherwise be.
Also, one of the biggest problems with people who random is that all amateur players have 1 build per match up and one build only. Random upsets that... To which I say GOOD! The best example I can think of is.. Who isn't tired of seeing forge fe in PvZ?
Let's say you're a protoss player, if you 1 base, you will almost certainly scout your opponent before you commit to any build.
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I still want the tier system to be explained if it please the organizer.
Old iccup system:
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O
New iccup system
E D C B A O
I never got C- on the old system, yet I am listed as C-... Talent (example I am taking because he seems like one of the better players/edge cases) C+ old system is considered C+...
The portion I want to have explained I guess is... Are we taking new system ranks when convenient and old system ranks when convenient? Because by the new iccup system, both Talent and I are considered to be the same rank (according to the ranks set for us in the OP) - by the old system ranks, I am not C-. Please explain.
Also, does anyone think it's unfair for LuMiX to play in this league? Is he better than all of the players in this league? We were discussing that on skype and we didn't really think so... Why is he being refused while other (just as good players) aren't? Is he just being used as an example to justify refusing edge cases?
Please clarify when you can.
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On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on.
This already tells me enough, to tell you that you absolutely do not have a clue, what it is like to play random. I understand that if you play enough of 1 race, you can get a grasp on how to play the other side, too. But you have to keep in mind that you play each matchup much less than a set race. You play each matchup roughly 1/3 of your matches, whilst random player only play every matchup every 1/9 matches. Some more, but some even much less, as there less terrans out there in the D ranks.
Random is just as legit as playing another matchup. Yes it plays differently, but so you should approach it. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. F.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Yes this even works against Zerg. It was even standard at some point in history. Yes it is harder than standard play and most of Protoss won't play 1 Gate styles. So you are uncomfortable with it. But guess what? Playing Zerg against 1 Base strategys is just as uncomfortable for the zerg, as most zerg do not have experience with it either.
Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...
Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup.
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oops hit quote instead of edit
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On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. I.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup.
See those two are oil and water. They don't go together. 1 gate core just isn't a fun way to play PvZ for some of us. Just like some players don't think it's fun to cheese and others don't think its fun to play macro, standard builds. Random reduces the number of build options you have, to the extent you can be forced down entire paths you don't enjoy playing.
1) Is it good for your gameplay? Absolutely
2) Would I personally consider it a "fair" MU? Yes. Yes I would. (Caveat: if you're a race picker and get the MU you don't touch with a 10 foot pole)
3) Is it fun? Noooooooo!
And that third line is the crux of the problem.
Let me ask you this question in return: What is fun for you about playing random?
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On November 07 2015 07:44 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. I.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup. See those two are oil and water. They don't go together. 1 gate core just isn't a fun way to play PvZ for some of us. Just like some players don't think it's fun to cheese and others don't think its fun to play macro, standard builds. Random reduces the number of build options you have, to the extent you can be forced down entire paths you don't enjoy playing. 1) Is it good for your gameplay? Absolutely 2) Would I personally consider it a "fair" MU? Yes. Yes I would. (Caveat: if you're a race picker and get the MU you don't touch with a 10 foot pole) 3) Is it fun? Noooooooo! And that third line is the crux of the problem. Let me ask you this question in return: What is fun for you about playing random?
I like playing random because it isn't as repetitive and I kind of make up my game plan as I go along, I like playing Protoss more because I like to win.
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On November 07 2015 08:06 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 07:44 L_Master wrote:On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. I.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup. See those two are oil and water. They don't go together. 1 gate core just isn't a fun way to play PvZ for some of us. Just like some players don't think it's fun to cheese and others don't think its fun to play macro, standard builds. Random reduces the number of build options you have, to the extent you can be forced down entire paths you don't enjoy playing. 1) Is it good for your gameplay? Absolutely 2) Would I personally consider it a "fair" MU? Yes. Yes I would. (Caveat: if you're a race picker and get the MU you don't touch with a 10 foot pole) 3) Is it fun? Noooooooo! And that third line is the crux of the problem. Let me ask you this question in return: What is fun for you about playing random? I like playing random because it isn't as repetitive and I kind of make up my game plan as I go along, I like playing Protoss more because I like to win.
This is what I expect most people's answer is, and if that is the case then playing random + shout still gives the same variety while eliminating the obnoxious aspect of playing random from the opponents end.
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On November 07 2015 06:39 Eywa- wrote:
I still want the tier system to be explained if it please the organizer.
Old iccup system:
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O
New iccup system
E D C B A O
I never got C- on the old system, yet I am listed as C-... Talent (example I am taking because he seems like one of the better players/edge cases) C+ old system is considered C+...
The portion I want to have explained I guess is... Are we taking new system ranks when convenient and old system ranks when convenient? Because by the new iccup system, both Talent and I are considered to be the same rank (according to the ranks set for us in the OP) - by the old system ranks, I am not C-. Please explain.
Also, does anyone think it's unfair for LuMiX to play in this league? Is he better than all of the players in this league? We were discussing that on skype and we didn't really think so... Why is he being refused while other (just as good players) aren't? Is he just being used as an example to justify refusing edge cases?
Please clarify when you can.
my take on this situation is this: Shimy takes the highrank, regardless of whether it was achieved under the new or old ladder system. In my opnion there is no way around out, otherwise you would have to try to calculate what a new ICC rank is worth in comparison to the old rank. And you can't do that, because it depends on the way you ladder. For instance, i finished in the new system as C, whereas my max before was C-, but some guys i know have improved from C to B-.
So i think this problem has to be left alone, as it can't be fixed right now.
Regarding Talent: The fact is, Talent never achieved a higher rank on ICC than C+. If you want to say he is probably better, im very eager to agree with you. But making an extra case about him would require shimy to make an extra case about a lot of people and that's not feasible, given how much time you have to put in it.
Regarding Lumix: Again, you have to make a cut somewhere and Lumix did reach B- on iccup. He did so under the old system and he did so quite handily with 75% winratio or so and he did it more than once. So i don't see why this needs to be discussed tbh.
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On November 07 2015 08:08 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 08:06 Eywa- wrote:On November 07 2015 07:44 L_Master wrote:On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. I.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup. See those two are oil and water. They don't go together. 1 gate core just isn't a fun way to play PvZ for some of us. Just like some players don't think it's fun to cheese and others don't think its fun to play macro, standard builds. Random reduces the number of build options you have, to the extent you can be forced down entire paths you don't enjoy playing. 1) Is it good for your gameplay? Absolutely 2) Would I personally consider it a "fair" MU? Yes. Yes I would. (Caveat: if you're a race picker and get the MU you don't touch with a 10 foot pole) 3) Is it fun? Noooooooo! And that third line is the crux of the problem. Let me ask you this question in return: What is fun for you about playing random? I like playing random because it isn't as repetitive and I kind of make up my game plan as I go along, I like playing Protoss more because I like to win. This is what I expect most people's answer is, and if that is the case then playing random + shout still gives the same variety while eliminating the obnoxious aspect of playing random from the opponents end.
I play random very often, probably 90% of my past 2 years' games, because...
1. More variety, as said above. Not just in the races and MUs you play, but in the strategies that are viable and effective.
2. You learn the races other than your main in the process. My T/Z have improved a lot, and so has my understanding of T/Z to smaller degree. At least at the scrub level. I'm not learning profound truths, just stuff that is probably common sense to a Zerg main that I realize only after going every variant of Pool-first on my own, thus broadening my understanding of XvZ as well.
3. I do like the advantage of my opponent having to scout early or play in a way that makes them uncomfortable, like 1 base PvZ.
4. Because I (sometimes) can.
Shouting would eliminate the 3rd point above, and I'd be totally fine with that. Sure, it hurts the random player a little, but it is still only a part of the reason why I play random. Maybe other players feel the same way.
Still, not trying to advocate for there to be a rule change, just wanted to give some of my input in this discussion.
On November 07 2015 08:29 Cele wrote:
Regarding Talent: The fact is, Talent never achieved a higher rank on ICC than C+. If you want to say he is probably better, im very eager to agree with you. But making an extra case about him would require shimy to make an extra case about a lot of people and that's not feasible, given how much time you have to put in it.
Regarding Lumix: Again, you have to make a cut somewhere and Lumix did reach B- on iccup. He did so under the old system and he did so quite handily with 75% winratio or so and he did it more than once. So i don't see why this needs to be discussed tbh.
Regarding this discussion, I 100% agree with the above. The issue of players being a different skill level from their max is nothing new. For example, even though prophecy_ never hit D+ and showed some 50% winrate ICCup results with under 10 games as evidence, did anyone really think he was a true D in skill? Same issue here: laddering habits. Talent played on Fish; there are no restrictions for Fish players or their ranks, just ICCup rank. He does not violate the rules.
Lumix is my boy, but unfortunately he has hit B-. That violates the rules. Simple as that.
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On November 07 2015 08:08 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 08:06 Eywa- wrote:On November 07 2015 07:44 L_Master wrote:On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. I.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup. See those two are oil and water. They don't go together. 1 gate core just isn't a fun way to play PvZ for some of us. Just like some players don't think it's fun to cheese and others don't think its fun to play macro, standard builds. Random reduces the number of build options you have, to the extent you can be forced down entire paths you don't enjoy playing. 1) Is it good for your gameplay? Absolutely 2) Would I personally consider it a "fair" MU? Yes. Yes I would. (Caveat: if you're a race picker and get the MU you don't touch with a 10 foot pole) 3) Is it fun? Noooooooo! And that third line is the crux of the problem. Let me ask you this question in return: What is fun for you about playing random? I like playing random because it isn't as repetitive and I kind of make up my game plan as I go along, I like playing Protoss more because I like to win. This is what I expect most people's answer is, and if that is the case then playing random + shout still gives the same variety while eliminating the obnoxious aspect of playing random from the opponents end.
It's just as obnoxious to play against bunker rush as it is to play against random, but nobody's arguing for bunker rushes to be removed from the game.
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On November 07 2015 06:39 Eywa- wrote:
I still want the tier system to be explained if it please the organizer.
Old iccup system:
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O
New iccup system
E D C B A O
I never got C- on the old system, yet I am listed as C-... Talent (example I am taking because he seems like one of the better players/edge cases) C+ old system is considered C+...
The portion I want to have explained I guess is... Are we taking new system ranks when convenient and old system ranks when convenient? Because by the new iccup system, both Talent and I are considered to be the same rank (according to the ranks set for us in the OP) - by the old system ranks, I am not C-. Please explain.
Also, does anyone think it's unfair for LuMiX to play in this league? Is he better than all of the players in this league? We were discussing that on skype and we didn't really think so... Why is he being refused while other (just as good players) aren't? Is he just being used as an example to justify refusing edge cases?
Please clarify when you can.
I've already made this clear as day to you in Skype, but since you want to stir up drama here in the thread, I'll just make it clear again in public 
I like Lumix. He's a good guy and a good player.
This league has a MAX iCCup Rank cutoff of C+. This includes old iCCup and New iCCup. Yes, this does suck, but like Cele and Jealous said, there has to be a cutoff. I chose this cutoff and I'll take full responsibility for it. If I knew that the league had a bunch of interest in the upper ranks, I might not have had any cutoffs at all, but I like the position we're in right now and I think everyone has a decent C+ tier player. We'll see how it turns out, and maybe I'll eat my words, but this is the way it is going to be.
Let me make it absolutely clear to you that this actually has nothing to do with Lumix. In fact, I've already turned away several other players who probably are not even on Lumix's level as far as skill. They all reached B- as well. Anyway, I hope this is clear to you and I hope that you understand.
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On November 07 2015 10:18 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 06:39 Eywa- wrote:
I still want the tier system to be explained if it please the organizer.
Old iccup system:
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O
New iccup system
E D C B A O
I never got C- on the old system, yet I am listed as C-... Talent (example I am taking because he seems like one of the better players/edge cases) C+ old system is considered C+...
The portion I want to have explained I guess is... Are we taking new system ranks when convenient and old system ranks when convenient? Because by the new iccup system, both Talent and I are considered to be the same rank (according to the ranks set for us in the OP) - by the old system ranks, I am not C-. Please explain.
Also, does anyone think it's unfair for LuMiX to play in this league? Is he better than all of the players in this league? We were discussing that on skype and we didn't really think so... Why is he being refused while other (just as good players) aren't? Is he just being used as an example to justify refusing edge cases?
Please clarify when you can. I've already made this clear as day to you in Skype, but since you want to stir up drama here in the thread, I'll just make it clear again in public I like Lumix. He's a good guy and a good player. This league has a MAX iCCup Rank cutoff of C+. This includes old iCCup and New iCCup. Yes, this does suck, but like Cele and Jealous said, there has to be a cutoff. I chose this cutoff and I'll take full responsibility for it. If I knew that the league had a bunch of interest in the upper ranks, I might not have had any cutoffs at all, but I like the position we're in right now and I think everyone has a decent C+ tier player. We'll see how it turns out, and maybe I'll eat my words, but this is the way it is going to be. Let me make it absolutely clear to you that this actually has nothing to do with Lumix. In fact, I've already turned away several other players who probably are not even on Lumix's level as far as skill. They all reached B- as well. Anyway, I hope this is clear to you and I hope that you understand.
1) that is not at all what you said in skype
2) having the league based off of max iccup rank old and new requires players to not ladder in order to qualify. If I'm c- by new system, it means I can reach b- new system if I play enough games because the point gain doesn't change from c- to c+.
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Line ups are now in the thread for this week (11/7 - 11/13)!
Replays should be submitted to theamateurstarleague@gmail.com and you have through friday to play your match!
Good luck and have fun!
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On November 07 2015 12:28 Eywa- wrote:
2) having the league based off of max iccup rank old and new requires players to not ladder in order to qualify. .
This was true for a few players in the old D leagues with the old ladder as well, no change here.
On November 07 2015 12:28 Eywa- wrote:
If I'm c- by new system, it means I can reach b- new system if I play enough games because the point gain doesn't change from c- to c+.
This was true in the past as well, was just more difficult. People were hitting B- with 200-10 win/loss.
Either way, this is an argument AGAINST Lumix, not for him, because he never used the above method and he hit a winning rate B-, on the OLD ladder.
It's kinda pointless to argue further :\
On a more positive note, Good luck to everyone! Except DeSPA! ^-^;
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On November 07 2015 06:39 Eywa- wrote:
I still want the tier system to be explained if it please the organizer.
Old iccup system:
E D- D D+ C- C C+ B- B B+ A- A A+ O
New iccup system
E D C B A O
I never got C- on the old system, yet I am listed as C-... Talent (example I am taking because he seems like one of the better players/edge cases) C+ old system is considered C+...
The portion I want to have explained I guess is... Are we taking new system ranks when convenient and old system ranks when convenient? Because by the new iccup system, both Talent and I are considered to be the same rank (according to the ranks set for us in the OP) - by the old system ranks, I am not C-. Please explain.
Also, does anyone think it's unfair for LuMiX to play in this league? Is he better than all of the players in this league? We were discussing that on skype and we didn't really think so... Why is he being refused while other (just as good players) aren't? Is he just being used as an example to justify refusing edge cases?
Please clarify when you can.
First of all, as far as I know there has not been a single instance where a max rank has been chosen by the organizers because it is "convinient". Max rank has been defined as the max rank achieved in any season!
Now, this is a really difficult topic to talk about. It is really hard to judge, which players are too good to play and which ones fit right in the scope of the league. Fact is, there needs to be a cutoff for the players involved in order to avoid absurdly one-sided matches.
At the end of the day, there really isn't a certain way to judge people's skill. Just as an example: How do you compare a person that has played since the beginning of iccup and hit C+ in Season 10 against somebody who has hit C+ in season 30 but has been inactive ever since and somebody who has only hit C+ in seasons 35 and 36 and has played ~400 games in the past few months, which is an order of magnitude more than the previous guys in the same period? It is simply impossible to perfectly quantify a person's skill, since there are so many factors such as recent activity, max rank in the old iccup system, max rank in the new iccup system, activity on other servers (fish), the quality of players they have played.
When this league was conceived, it was supposed to be a low-level league (C- max or less). However, the new iccup system really screws up such a format. Then the league was expanded with a higher max rank cap. Additionally, a tiered match format was introduced in order to allow for more even matches! This league is attempting to make a competetive experience enjoyable to as many players as possible, while maintaining an even playing field for everybody. This in itself is a really hard (if not an impossible) task to do. I can assure you that there has been put quite a thought towards achieving these goals. Before announcing the format, it has been considered that it is not unfair towards any specific teams in the league (considering the different lineups), that it causes as few w/o's as possible, and that it allows for as many even games as possible.
Ultimately, there needs to be a cutoff somewhere. It is really hard to perfectly define such a cutoff, but I can assure you that it has not been decided on the basis of "just because I think so". Quite a bit of thought has been put towards the optimal format. Nevertheless, it is nigh impossible to do this perfectly, and there simply needs to be a cutoff somewhere.
+ Show Spoiler [ @eywa-, @chrisolo, @birdie, @jealous] +On November 07 2015 06:32 Eywa- wrote:
The whole discussion about random is really dumb. Playing random at just about any rank is a significant disadvantage. It is pretty much guaranteed that at least 2 of your races will be weaker than they could otherwise be.
Also, one of the biggest problems with people who random is that all amateur players have 1 build per match up and one build only. Random upsets that... To which I say GOOD! The best example I can think of is.. Who isn't tired of seeing forge fe in PvZ?
Let's say you're a protoss player, if you 1 base, you will almost certainly scout your opponent before you commit to any build. Nobody denies that being proficient with all 3 races is hard. The problem is that in far too many cases it puts your opponent behind enough that you do not need to be really proficient at all to win with some well-timed all-in even if executed poorly. Also, one of the biggest problems with people who random is that all amateur players have 1 build per match up and one build only. Random upsets that... To which I say GOOD! The best example I can think of is.. Who isn't tired of seeing forge fe in PvZ?
Let's say you're a protoss player, if you 1 base, you will almost certainly scout your opponent before you commit to any build. When was the last time you saw anything but a FFE from a semi-decent protoss in PvZ? I am sure you can give me some examples (I can think of a [very] few myself), but just consider how often such builds are used! (extremely rarely) Now think about how many of those 1 base PvZ builds are NOT 2-gate aggression (because 2-gate before core is an automatic loss in PvT [and normally in PvP as well]). Then you will realize that 1-base (non 2-gate) PvZ is a rarity for a reason. Such a build simply puts you behind against Z. AND now consider that even when P goes for such a build in PvZ, a major reason P does it is because P expects to have the advantage of surpise (which is absent against a random opponent, who expects a defensive build). You say that you are tired of seeing the same build over and over again. First of all, FFE allows for a lot of different PvZ builds: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/PVZBuildsAt the liquipedia page for PvZ 9/16 builds are derived from FFE. Your request to have P skip FFE in PvZ reduces the possible builds by over 50%(!), which actually results in the exact opposite of your wish to see a bigger variety of builds from the player going against random. @chrisolo First of all, I never meant to be offensive, but I feel like you may have got this feeling, since the first sentence of your statement feels to me like the verbal version of a middle finger. Saying that I have no clue about random because of what I said is to me the same as me saying that you have never understood the strategy aspect of RTS because of what you said. On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. […] But you have to keep in mind that you play each matchup much less than a set race. You play each matchup roughly 1/3 of your matches, whilst random player only play every matchup every 1/9 matches. Some more, but some even much less, as there less terrans out there in the D ranks. The argument that you got to play each matchup less than your opponent has no merit in a league where some people have played MP 1v1 a few hundred times (if at all) and some have played thousands upon thousands of games.
Random is just as legit as playing another matchup. Yes it plays differently, but so you should approach it. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. F.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Yes this even works against Zerg. It was even standard at some point in history. Yes it is harder than standard play and most of Protoss won't play 1 Gate styles.
Claiming that P can just do a 1 base build in PvZ and have a fair chance is just plain absurd. Just take a look at the liquipedia PvZ page or at what (semi-)pros have played in the matchup over the last 10 years. Now factor in the fact that 1-gate core in the absurdly meager amount of high level PvZ it has been used, mainly tries to take advantage of surprise (which is impossible in a vR game) and you should see that it is simply not a viable build in PvZ. Saying that it used to be standard “at some point in history” has no merit when you factor in the truth that those times have been 10 or more years ago.
So you are uncomfortable with it. But guess what? Playing Zerg against 1 Base strategys is just as uncomfortable for the zerg, as most zerg do not have experience with it either.
Uncomfortable or not is not the point that matters. What matters is that one side knows what to expect while the other does not and is forced to guess. On November 07 2015 10:03 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 08:08 L_Master wrote:On November 07 2015 08:06 Eywa- wrote:On November 07 2015 07:44 L_Master wrote:On November 07 2015 06:53 chrisolo wrote:On November 07 2015 05:10 ggrrg wrote:
Actually, you only need to know 6 matchups, 3 of them you should be able to play from both sides, but you should know the timings and strategies of both sides no matter which side you are on. You cannot just take a blind guess and go for a standard build for one specific matchup. But you can play this "matchup" just like any other one. I.e. as protoss you can simply go 1 Gate Core. Some of you guys take these leagues WAY to seriously. Just have some fun...Going against a random player? Don't be afraid, think to yourself that you have a high chance that this matchup is a weak one of the random player and even if it is his good one, he still is not as experienced as you are in this matchup. See those two are oil and water. They don't go together. 1 gate core just isn't a fun way to play PvZ for some of us. Just like some players don't think it's fun to cheese and others don't think its fun to play macro, standard builds. Random reduces the number of build options you have, to the extent you can be forced down entire paths you don't enjoy playing. 1) Is it good for your gameplay? Absolutely 2) Would I personally consider it a "fair" MU? Yes. Yes I would. (Caveat: if you're a race picker and get the MU you don't touch with a 10 foot pole) 3) Is it fun? Noooooooo! And that third line is the crux of the problem. Let me ask you this question in return: What is fun for you about playing random? I like playing random because it isn't as repetitive and I kind of make up my game plan as I go along, I like playing Protoss more because I like to win. This is what I expect most people's answer is, and if that is the case then playing random + shout still gives the same variety while eliminating the obnoxious aspect of playing random from the opponents end. It's just as obnoxious to play against bunker rush as it is to play against random, but nobody's arguing for bunker rushes to be removed from the game. Random being obnoxious is not what matters. What matters is that is impossible to choose a viable build. In ZvT you can choose a build that lets you be somewhat safe against a bunker rush but this is not the same build that allow you to enter the mid-game in ZvP on even footing. In PvT you can go for a build that allows you to have a chance against a CC first and 2-fact (and even proxy 2-rax) but this build has nothing to do with a one that allows you to have any chance against 3-hatch hydra or 2-base muta or 3-hatch before pool. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two common points that are being brought in favor of allowing random are: - Variety/Not being repetitive: the league allows you to choose your race every week and even choose specific matchups you want to play. Feel free to take advantage of this and choose a different race every week - Knowing all races and matchups being hard and putting the random player at a disadvantage anyway: Just because it is hard for you is by no means a reason to give the opponent a handicap. Choose a race and feel free to not mine for the first 30 sec of the game if you want to be at a disadvantage. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That being said, there is no reason to discuss this matter anymore in the thread. Feel free to PM me with an essay on the topic. The very least I can promise you is that I will respond to every argument you have.
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Bunny SlayerS vs Stealth Bunnies
4-2
 ( v ) LMaster <Fighting Spirit> sB.Roy
Shimy <New Heartbreak Ridge> sB.Passafist
RedAxis <Shadowplay> sB.Empathy
Stardom[eMg] <Demian> sB.RulzBoooM
SiegesAddicted <Colosseum II> sB.Birdie
sGs.Yaqoob <Match Point> sB.Splax
Club Starcraft vs DeSPA
6-0
Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXN(ITS N Not B) ( v )
tru]irish <Shadowplay> LTY
f10esQQ <Demian> Artanis
sGs.BaBo <Colosseum II> Art_Of_Turtle
( v ) Fazers[PaiN] <Match Point> Fishchei
WeMadeC vs Sexy Gladiators
5-1
zs-Adun <Fighting Spirit> PuBepoH
Master_soul <New Heartbreak Ridge> Dutch
CoughingHydra <Shadowplay> romarior
CrispyDrone <Demian> iCCup.JiN needs to confirm a race
Taehee[KaL] <Colosseum II> iwL-Hellscream
Kororo <Match Point> mmmbop[rage]
#TotallyNotFavoringMyOwnTeam
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no your not even writing em write! it's  Fischei xD
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On November 07 2015 22:10 Cele wrote:no your not even writing em write! it's Fischei xD
Fixed haha I was really tired xD
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My prediction is:
Bunny SlayerS vs Stealth Bunnies
4-2
( v ) LMaster <Fighting Spirit> sB.Roy
Shimy <New Heartbreak Ridge> sB.Passafist
RedAxis <Shadowplay> sB.Empathy
Stardom[eMg] <Demian> sB.RulzBoooM
SiegesAddicted <Colosseum II> sB.Birdie
sGs.Yaqoob <Match Point> sB.Splax
Club Starcraft vs DeSPA
2-4
Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXB ( v )
tru]irish <Shadowplay> LTY
f10esQQ <Demian> Artanis
sGs.BaBo <Colosseum II> Art_Of_Turtle
( v ) Fazers[PaiN] <Match Point> Fischei
WeMadeC vs Sexy Gladiators
4-2
zs-Adun <Fighting Spirit> PuBepoH
Master_soul <New Heartbreak Ridge> Dutch
CoughingHydra <Shadowplay> romarior
CrispyDrone <Demian> iCCup.JiN
Taehee[KaL] <Colosseum II> iwL-Hellscream
Kororo <Match Point> mmmbop[rage]
hahaha GL
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I will join the happy guessing:
Bunny SlayerS <<< Stealth Bunnies
Obvisouly, sB will roll any opposition every round...
Club Starcraft vs DeSPA
Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXN ( v )
tru]irish <Shadowplay> LTY
f10esQQ <Demian> Artanis
sGs.BaBo <Colosseum II> Art_Of_Turtle
( v ) Fazers[PaiN] <Match Point> Fischei
WeMadeC vs Sexy Gladiators
zs-Adun <Fighting Spirit> PuBepoH
Master_soul <New Heartbreak Ridge> Dutch
CoughingHydra <Shadowplay> romarior
CrispyDrone <Demian> iCCup.JiN
Taehee[KaL] <Colosseum II> iwL-Hellscream
Kororo <Match Point> mmmbop[rage]
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I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5.
+ Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right
Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys)
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On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys)
Well, losing a ZvP on HBR should automatically grant at least 6 points to the opposite team 
edit:
Also, predicting Terrans to beat Protoss of similar skill is always pretty bold xD
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On November 11 2015 02:33 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) Well, losing a ZvP on HBR should automatically grant at least 6 points to the opposite team edit: Also, predicting Terrans to beat Protoss of similar skill is always pretty bold xD
TvP easy match up... PvZ on HBR isn't bad at all, so easy to split map.
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Please have faith for Club Starcraft, I'm not the best player on the team. lol
My prediction is Melchsee > Biolunar
Crimson > JXN
irish < LTY
f10esqq > Artanis
BaBo > Art of Turtle
Fazers > Fischei
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On November 11 2015 03:47 Fazers wrote:Please have faith for Club Starcraft, I'm not the best player on the team. lol My prediction is Melchsee > Biolunar Crimson > JXN irish < LTY f10esqq > Artanis BaBo > Art of Turtle Fazers > Fischei
Predicting 4x P>Z is even bolder than predicting 2x T>P :p
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I hope we can get some of the games casted. That would really add to the professional feeling of this league.
So far so good, played my game., loving the league. Even started to practice already with someone from my team.
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On November 11 2015 04:30 B-royal wrote:
I hope we can get some of the games casted. That would really add to the professional feeling of this league.
So far so good, played my game., loving the league. Even started to practice already with someone from my team.
agree!
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On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys)
I believe in u Shimy... u can do it!
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On November 11 2015 04:30 B-royal wrote:
I hope we can get some of the games casted. That would really add to the professional feeling of this league.
So far so good, played my game., loving the league. Even started to practice already with someone from my team.
The plan is to have the entire league casted, but at the time it's most convenient to the caster. LMaster has already come forth as the head caster, but he's not able to take a full load every week. As of right now, he's done for at least 1 or 2 sets a week (unless he tells me otherwise) and I'm open to anyone else who wants to either cast at a scheduled time every week or just whenever they can. Shoot me a PM if you're interested.
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On November 11 2015 05:44 AmatistA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) I believe in u Shimy... u can do it!
Thanks, man! Falling scares me.... all protoss scare me... I really hope I'm able to at least make a game of it.
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On November 11 2015 12:55 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 04:30 B-royal wrote:
I hope we can get some of the games casted. That would really add to the professional feeling of this league.
So far so good, played my game., loving the league. Even started to practice already with someone from my team. The plan is to have the entire league casted, but at the time it's most convenient to the caster. LMaster has already come forth as the head caster, but he's not able to take a full load every week. As of right now, he's done for at least 1 or 2 sets a week (unless he tells me otherwise) and I'm open to anyone else who wants to either cast at a scheduled time every week or just whenever they can. Shoot me a PM if you're interested.
Great! I would be interested but I'm afraid I won't have much interesting to say. My knowledge is very limited (of the game and of the scene) since I'm a new player; at the moment I also don't have a microphone yet. But maybe in the future!
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On November 11 2015 12:56 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 05:44 AmatistA wrote:On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) I believe in u Shimy... u can do it! Thanks, man! Falling scares me.... all protoss scare me... I really hope I'm able to at least make a game of it.
Cheese him. Cheese him hard. Cheese him true.
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On November 12 2015 04:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 12:56 Shimy wrote:On November 11 2015 05:44 AmatistA wrote:On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) I believe in u Shimy... u can do it! Thanks, man! Falling scares me.... all protoss scare me... I really hope I'm able to at least make a game of it. Cheese him. Cheese him hard. Cheese him true.
You haven't seen Shimy cheese :D
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On November 12 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 04:20 Jealous wrote:On November 11 2015 12:56 Shimy wrote:On November 11 2015 05:44 AmatistA wrote:On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) I believe in u Shimy... u can do it! Thanks, man! Falling scares me.... all protoss scare me... I really hope I'm able to at least make a game of it. Cheese him. Cheese him hard. Cheese him true. You haven't seen Shimy cheese :D
Yeah, I think I have a better shot just playing straight up tbh We're trying to play right now, but our dang games keep dropping. Anyone have any suggestions? we both have relatively the same ping. I feel like my internet is stable, but I know nothing of how BW connects to other players via peer-to-peer or whatever.
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On November 12 2015 10:31 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:On November 12 2015 04:20 Jealous wrote:On November 11 2015 12:56 Shimy wrote:On November 11 2015 05:44 AmatistA wrote:On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) I believe in u Shimy... u can do it! Thanks, man! Falling scares me.... all protoss scare me... I really hope I'm able to at least make a game of it. Cheese him. Cheese him hard. Cheese him true. You haven't seen Shimy cheese :D Yeah, I think I have a better shot just playing straight up tbh We're trying to play right now, but our dang games keep dropping. Anyone have any suggestions? we both have relatively the same ping. I feel like my internet is stable, but I know nothing of how BW connects to other players via peer-to-peer or whatever.
you can try playing on fish or on garena (maybe even bnet xD).
I remember playing a DRTL game on garena, because our game lagged badly on iccup.
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Iccup ID : nDie.XtinC
Race : Zerg
Max Rank : D+
Country : Philippines
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On November 12 2015 10:52 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 10:31 Shimy wrote:On November 12 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:On November 12 2015 04:20 Jealous wrote:On November 11 2015 12:56 Shimy wrote:On November 11 2015 05:44 AmatistA wrote:On November 11 2015 02:26 Eywa- wrote:I don't know how it's going to happen yet, but somehow Shimy is going to lose his Bo1 by a score of 0-6 and we're going to lose the CW 6-5. + Show Spoiler +My prediction is guaranteed to be right Actually though, I predict 4-2 win with Shimy and Yaqoob losing (sorry guys) I believe in u Shimy... u can do it! Thanks, man! Falling scares me.... all protoss scare me... I really hope I'm able to at least make a game of it. Cheese him. Cheese him hard. Cheese him true. You haven't seen Shimy cheese :D Yeah, I think I have a better shot just playing straight up tbh We're trying to play right now, but our dang games keep dropping. Anyone have any suggestions? we both have relatively the same ping. I feel like my internet is stable, but I know nothing of how BW connects to other players via peer-to-peer or whatever. you can try playing on fish or on garena (maybe even bnet xD). I remember playing a DRTL game on garena, because our game lagged badly on iccup.
Gameranger is another option. Also, you can try the old school lat trick: one person hosts a game, the other person joins/tries to join, then immediately hosts their own game. The original host joins the new game and all is dandy.
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When do you plan to stream the events?
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If anyone wants to stream some games but needs a buddy, I would gladly join you
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On November 12 2015 19:59 Atom[Bomb] wrote:
When do you plan to stream the events?
I think friday? or saturday?
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On November 13 2015 02:17 ggrrg wrote:If anyone wants to stream some games but needs a buddy, I would gladly join you
I'm in the same boat, I'd do a stream with you if you want!
On November 13 2015 05:17 AmatistA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2015 19:59 Atom[Bomb] wrote:
When do you plan to stream the events? I think friday? or saturday?
Hopefully one of those days, but we'll see. I'm waiting for LMaster to let me know his schedule and we'll go from there.
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So I just checked the theamateurstarleague@gmail.com inbox and it only has three emails containing replays.... Unless people are playing tomorrow or just waiting to send replay, DO NOT FORGET TO SEND IT BY TOMORROW NIGHT! Please submit all replays and line ups by Friday, 23:59 EST, Saturday, 05:59 CET, or Saturday, 17:59 NZDT. Thanks and good luck! + Show Spoiler +Except to you cheesers out there, you all stink
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On November 13 2015 10:14 Shimy wrote:So I just checked the theamateurstarleague@gmail.com inbox and it only has three emails containing replays.... Unless people are playing tomorrow or just waiting to send replay, DO NOT FORGET TO SEND IT BY TOMORROW NIGHT! Please submit all replays and line ups by Friday, 23:59 EST, Saturday, 05:59 CET, or Saturday, 17:59 NZDT. Thanks and good luck! + Show Spoiler +Except to you cheesers out there, you all stink
I adviced Passafist what to play against you ^^
I am moderately sry for that xD
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On November 13 2015 10:14 Shimy wrote:So I just checked the theamateurstarleague@gmail.com inbox and it only has three emails containing replays.... Unless people are playing tomorrow or just waiting to send replay, DO NOT FORGET TO SEND IT BY TOMORROW NIGHT! Please submit all replays and line ups by Friday, 23:59 EST, Saturday, 05:59 CET, or Saturday, 17:59 NZDT. Thanks and good luck! + Show Spoiler +Except to you cheesers out there, you all stink
still working at it expect as many as I can to get in by friday morning
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On November 13 2015 10:58 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 10:14 Shimy wrote:So I just checked the theamateurstarleague@gmail.com inbox and it only has three emails containing replays.... Unless people are playing tomorrow or just waiting to send replay, DO NOT FORGET TO SEND IT BY TOMORROW NIGHT! Please submit all replays and line ups by Friday, 23:59 EST, Saturday, 05:59 CET, or Saturday, 17:59 NZDT. Thanks and good luck! + Show Spoiler +Except to you cheesers out there, you all stink I adviced Passafist what to play against you ^^ I am moderately sry for that xD
It's amazing that Shimy doesn't scout given how much he plays against me... (he doesn't scout well against me either)
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On November 13 2015 13:42 EBPNationWars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2015 10:58 ggrrg wrote:On November 13 2015 10:14 Shimy wrote:So I just checked the theamateurstarleague@gmail.com inbox and it only has three emails containing replays.... Unless people are playing tomorrow or just waiting to send replay, DO NOT FORGET TO SEND IT BY TOMORROW NIGHT! Please submit all replays and line ups by Friday, 23:59 EST, Saturday, 05:59 CET, or Saturday, 17:59 NZDT. Thanks and good luck! + Show Spoiler +Except to you cheesers out there, you all stink I adviced Passafist what to play against you ^^ I am moderately sry for that xD It's amazing that Shimy doesn't scout given how much he plays against me... (he doesn't scout well against me either)
Eywa- talking shit in the thread again, guys ^^ he's so thirsty haha
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I still want everyone to know that I only have a couple replays. You really only have 3 hours left to send them in. If their late, or non existent, the games may not count.
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Good luck to everyone! Hope everyone shows up for their matches, and on time >.>
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Stealth Bunnies fighting!!!!!!!!!!!
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 replays????
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I am shooting for a cast tomorrow. If you guys want this to happen make sure Shimy has your replays, as of right now he says he has very, very few.
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Canada11350 Posts
I wonder if it's worth putting replay on the shoulder's of the captains? It seemed to work fairly well if the captain or their designate was asked to send in their teams' replays all in one package as a .zip folder. That way the organizer just has to hassle the captains and the captains can hassle their team members. Dunno- just a thought.
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On November 15 2015 06:14 Falling wrote:
I wonder if it's worth putting replay on the shoulder's of the captains? It seemed to work fairly well if the captain or their designate was asked to send in their teams' replays all in one package as a .zip folder. That way the organizer just has to hassle the captains and the captains can hassle their team members. Dunno- just a thought.
I certainly think this is the superior system.
It's not much extra work at all for the captains and is MUCH easier for everyone else, as wading through 30 replays with players using different names from TL names, having autorep saves, etc. is a very time consuming process for the organizer. As a captain it only takes about a minute to go through and name each rep, G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6. That one minute probably saves the organizer an hour of trouble.
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If I screwed anything up, I'm sure someone will let me know.
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Japan11286 Posts
minor thing, I have two 1s; crimson0011
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Shooting for cast tomorrow of sB v Bs at 19:01 GMT (+00:00). If someone would like to help cast the first game, since it's my own, that would be awesome.
sB v Bs
Plans are in the works for other series to be cast as reps are received.
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@Tru]Irish - I am free to play weeknights after 730 pm EST. Or tomorrow (Sunday) depends on time. Let me know what works for you please.
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Evileye, I sent you a PM.
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Since Eric isn't here I will be casting the very first game and when he comes back he will do the rest. Will update after the first cast.
http://www.twitch.tv/stardomtv
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I thought it was supposed to be SB.Roy vs sgs.LMaster?
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Where my opponent? PM me please
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On November 16 2015 04:30 art_of_turtle wrote:
I thought it was supposed to be SB.Roy vs sgs.LMaster?
I guess something happened and Birdie played instead :o
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If team captains can post up the TL ID's for their teams it will help in getting players to contact each other.
Here is team Despa PM List.
 samsung865 C+ yuzix
fischei C+ fischei1
 Art_Of_Turtle C Art_Of_Turtle
Artanis C Artanis[Xp]
Ninazerg C Ninazerg
Qikz C- Qikz
( vs )dazed. C- Dazed_Spy
( vs )Miso C- Dazed_Spy
iNs.DNH C- DarkNetHunter
( vs )JXN D+ JieXian
BaD]Seed D+ chrisolo
( vs )Rocko D+ JelloKitty
Biolunar D Biolunar
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On November 16 2015 04:30 art_of_turtle wrote:
I thought it was supposed to be SB.Roy vs sgs.LMaster?
It was. We decided to play on Friday and said to message him anytime, but I guess Roy didn't realize timezone differences or something so when I messaged him he was asleep. Shimy said deadline was Friday for games, so to still play the game I accepted a higher level opponent available from sB, which in this case was Birdmaster
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Is it too late to join this? And if not can I choose my team?
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Nope some teams still need some C/C+ Players, and if you put that request in im sure whatever team you choose wouldn't mind.
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I can join a team to balance it out if it needs more C/C+ though I'll be pretty awful for the first two weeks back. I just want a team though that is active and where there is at least one player at the higher ranks in the league to practice with.
Name: Puppyklr[eMg]
Race: Terran (probably)
Max: C+
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Just want to let everyone know that Club StarCraft has picked up Puppykiller Thank you, good luck everyone.
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On November 15 2015 16:41 L_Master wrote:
Shooting for cast tomorrow of sB v Bs at 19:01 GMT (+00:00). If someone would like to help cast the first game, since it's my own, that would be awesome.
sB v Bs
Plans are in the works for other series to be cast as reps are received.
thx gogogo
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My prediction is:
On November 15 2015 10:36 Shimy wrote:If I screwed anything up, I'm sure someone will let me know.
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Where are the results of the first round?
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I've got those predictions ready to go
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So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks.
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On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks.
What? Do you mean the Obs UMS? Because normal game modes randomize from the standard color palette. If they suck, why not use allied colors?
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On November 17 2015 03:33 Biolunar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks. What? Do you mean the Obs UMS? Because normal game modes randomize from the standard color palette. If they suck, why not use allied colors?
I have no idea... Shimy hosted. I had the map preview though, so it couldn't have been UMS...
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I have no chance... 
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Anyone predicting me to win is sadly mistaken... Colo II is my worst map... Lowest win rate.
Also, I'm just generally bad at BW.
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Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware, Rlentless is officially part of Club StarCraft!
Also, puppykiller is listing his race as straight Terran right now, but it could change in the future.
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On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks.
Did you actually see black as a minimap colour?
If that's your only concern:
Here you are!
It's now changed for tan (aka. peach), which should have great contrast before a mostly dark blue background
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On November 17 2015 18:57 Freakling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks. Did you actually see black as a minimap colour? If that's your only concern: Here you are!It's now changed for tan (aka. peach), which should have great contrast before a mostly dark blue background
Thanks for the fix.
Shimy, can you substitute this version into the map pack?
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Kororo, answer my PM please?
Or give me your Skype so we can coordinate a match.
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On November 17 2015 23:22 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 18:57 Freakling wrote:On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks. Did you actually see black as a minimap colour? If that's your only concern: Here you are!It's now changed for tan (aka. peach), which should have great contrast before a mostly dark blue background Thanks for the fix. Shimy, can you substitute this version into the map pack?
I already updated it (assuming that that Shimy just linked to my mediafire uplaod and did not host it on his own).
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Does DNH have a C- account? I'm struggling to find one.
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Dat record :-/...
Can I forfeit? ;d
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On November 18 2015 03:30 Eywa- wrote:Dat record :-/... Can I forfeit? ;d
He is really scary in TvP, likely top 3 in the league.
I pity you :p
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On November 18 2015 06:30 ggrrg wrote:He is really scary in TvP, likely top 3 in the league. I pity you :p
ohhhhh I need to watch this game!
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On November 18 2015 03:30 Eywa- wrote:Dat record :-/... Can I forfeit? ;d
gogogogo game? tonight I'm gonna play against Miso (8PM EST). You can obs if u want to 
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On November 18 2015 00:53 Freakling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 23:22 Eywa- wrote:On November 17 2015 18:57 Freakling wrote:On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks. Did you actually see black as a minimap colour? If that's your only concern: Here you are!It's now changed for tan (aka. peach), which should have great contrast before a mostly dark blue background Thanks for the fix. Shimy, can you substitute this version into the map pack? I already updated it (assuming that that Shimy just linked to my mediafire uplaod and did not host it on his own).
Yep, I just linked it!
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On November 18 2015 11:22 Shimy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 00:53 Freakling wrote:On November 17 2015 23:22 Eywa- wrote:On November 17 2015 18:57 Freakling wrote:On November 17 2015 03:26 Eywa- wrote:
So,
I'm going to request that Shadowplay be removed from the map pool until it is modified to use the regular BW colors. I played it today with Shimy and ended up with some weird fucking colors. The green is fine, we also got orange, light blue and black I believe... We had black on a dark blue map... That's ridiculous, can the map be modified and/or removed?
Thanks. Did you actually see black as a minimap colour? If that's your only concern: Here you are!It's now changed for tan (aka. peach), which should have great contrast before a mostly dark blue background Thanks for the fix. Shimy, can you substitute this version into the map pack? I already updated it (assuming that that Shimy just linked to my mediafire uplaod and did not host it on his own). Yep, I just linked it!
Too late.
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Official Announcement
I'm adjusting the format slightly this week and the following weeks of the league.
Players can now play their matches all the way up until Saturday night, 23:59 EDT, Sunday 05:59 CET, etc.
Line up submissions are now due at this time as well.
I think this will help a lot with walkovers since some players can only play on Saturdays. Anyway, good luck and don't forget to email your replays to theamateurstarleague@gmail.com!
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Japan11286 Posts
So you adjusted it by a day? That's much better in my opinion because guys who can't play during the weekdays have trouble with it (like me lol). And nobody really likes to play their games a day after the lineups get announced (Sunday)
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On November 21 2015 10:37 c3rberUs wrote:
So you adjusted it by a day? That's much better in my opinion because guys who can't play during the weekdays have trouble with it (like me lol). And nobody really likes to play their games a day after the lineups get announced (Sunday)
That's correct, it's just shifted one day forward. I hope it helps bump the activity up!
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Good move
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Next week is still gonna be really hard for me because of family visiting for most of the week.
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Hello guys, theres chance to join any team ? :3
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On November 21 2015 18:57 Kopp wrote:
Hello guys, theres chance to join any team ? :3
Rank?
We are always looking for more D through C-.
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On November 21 2015 23:20 Fazers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 18:57 Kopp wrote:
Hello guys, theres chance to join any team ? :3 Rank? We are always looking for more D through C-.
Unfortunately, the only people who are D rank now are those who are inactive and/or returning players.
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On November 22 2015 04:04 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2015 23:20 Fazers wrote:On November 21 2015 18:57 Kopp wrote:
Hello guys, theres chance to join any team ? :3 Rank? We are always looking for more D through C-. Unfortunately, the only people who are D rank now are those who are inactive and/or returning players.
We take those
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@dazed - we are supposed to play. what is your availability?
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Well i played in the last 2 DRTL, soo i think i have the "required" skill :DD
ALtough since then i havent really been playing much, so i highly would say D rank
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Guys, I would like to ask you or the teamleaders to post the results of played matches in spoiler-tags in this thread, so we can keep the Liquipedia page up to date. Furthermore, it would be nice if you write in here if some match is a walkover.
@Liquipedia Gosus:
The result of Match 1 is not shown even if I use the |m1win= command correctly. Can someone take a look into this? (f.e. my match in week 2 is the first seeded match, but the result is not displayed).
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My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times.
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On November 22 2015 10:50 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 04:04 Eywa- wrote:On November 21 2015 23:20 Fazers wrote:On November 21 2015 18:57 Kopp wrote:
Hello guys, theres chance to join any team ? :3 Rank? We are always looking for more D through C-. Unfortunately, the only people who are D rank now are those who are inactive and/or returning players. We take those
My point was: good luck finding them. :p
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I'm working on getting stable internet and a computer desk + chair. I am currently overseas and will be for a while. I wasn't expecting that getting settled down was going to take so long. Apologies to my teammates and my opponent last week (sB.Splax).
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On November 22 2015 23:23 Eywa- wrote:
My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times.
Are you fucking serious?
I was the one who got in touch about our match in the first place, and suggested Sunday because I can't play on Saturday.
You messaged me on Friday at 3:30am, how the fuck was I supposed to read that when I have work Friday and Saturdays.
I did not send a message saying you responded too late, and I even agreed to play the time you originally SUGGESTED today.
Now will you dodge any harder?
Edit:
Screenshots spoilered
+ Show Spoiler +
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OoooOooooh, some drama going on with Eywa? I find that hard to believe
Well, it looks like both players made a decent effort at trying to play. As of right now, I'm thinking there might need to be a week designated just for playing missed games or walkover games. For the sake of the league, players can catch up on their games now if they want, just be sure to label the replay correctly when you send it. With the amount of W.O.'s happening, I don't think we can even fairly determine the teams deserving of being in the playoffs.
All that being said, week 3:
Week 3 11/21 - 11/27
Bunny SlayerS vs Sexy Gladiators
Feckless <Shadowplay> Pubepoh
Shimy <Demian> BaD]Fry
Eywa- <Colosseum II> dark_a
SiegesAddicted <Match Point> hellscream
RedAxis <Blue Storm> JiN
Arb <Heartbeat> mmmbop
Stealth Bunnies vs Club Starcraft
sB.smallBALLS <Shadowplay> crimson0011
sB.Passafist <Demian> nDie.XtinC
sB.EMPaTHY <Colosseum II> tru]irish
sB.Icedraco <Match Point> Rlentless
sB.Birdie <Blue Storm> f10eqq
sB.SpongeBOZZ <Heartbeat> Fazers
DeSPA vs WeMadeC
T: Biolunar <Shadowplay> EmptyCup
BaD]Seed<Demian> zs-Adun
Miso <Colosseum II> CrispyDrone
dazed. <Match Point> evilEye
Art_Of_Turtle <Blue Storm> Taehee[KaL]
fiscei <Heartbeat> Kororo
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Week 2 results for Club StarCraft:
+ Show Spoiler +Crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> EmptyCup
Melchsee <Shadowplay> Master_Soul *
Tru]Irish <Demian> evilEye
[SD]RoLLeR <Colosseum II> CoughingHydra
eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone **
Fazers[PaiN] Walk-Over (Pending) <Blue Storm> Kororo
* Do not know the status on this, am not in direct contact with either player. EmptyCup should be asked about this.
** Loccxito attempted to contact CrispyDrone in this thread; I provided him with CrispyDrone's TL ID and I've provided EmptyCup with Loccxito's TL ID. Don't have an update from Loccxito on the status. EmptyCup can be consulted on this as well.
UPDATE: Results pending potential walk-over reversals.
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On November 23 2015 00:01 DarkNetHunter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 23:23 Eywa- wrote:
My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times. Are you fucking serious? I was the one who got in touch about our match in the first place, and suggested Sunday because I can't play on Saturday. You messaged me on Friday at 3:30am, how the fuck was I supposed to read that when I have work Friday and Saturdays. I did not send a message saying you responded too late, and I even agreed to play the time you originally SUGGESTED today. Now will you dodge any harder? Edit: Screenshots spoilered + Show Spoiler +
You mean to tell me that you didn't log onto TL either Friday Morning, Friday Night, Saturday Morning or Saturday Night? How do you expect to have confirmed a match for Sunday if you didn't even check TL at any of those times? Basically, if I replied to you saying Today was okay, you wouldn't have been able to get back to me on time for it to be possible anyway... Since you only got back to me today.
Also, when did you finish work on Saturday? I bet that time would have easily worked for me.
Basically you told me:
You can't play after 4pm EST on most days (which is absolutely ludicrous). Given that I finish work at 5pm EST, there is no way to make that work. The two days you suggested might work I already told you don't work because I happen to be travelling for work till Tuesday. Saturday was the best day imo. So basically, you suggested 2 days (one of which wouldn't have worked due to your lousy response time) - So let's say 1 day with a very limited selection of play times. And, I suggested 1 day, anytime (which also didn't work because you "allegedly" didn't check TL) and were working during the day (which is fine because my optimal play time isn't during the day for you, it's evening/night).
Obvious dodge is obvious. I think it's pretty obvious that you would have replied to me if I was able to play Sunday, but because I said Saturday would work for me, you decided to just let it sit and pretend you didn't read it till Sunday morning.
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Also, since when is 3am considered to be late in the day? ;d
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On November 23 2015 05:32 Shimy wrote:
With the amount of W.O.'s happening, I don't think we can even fairly determine the teams deserving of being in the playoffs.
Surely a teams willingness to actually show up, is reflective of their deservingness of a particular status? I'm all for a bit of lee way, but an entire week at the end of the year will exacerbate peoples refusal to take personal responsibility to schedule games and show up.
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On November 23 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 00:01 DarkNetHunter wrote:On November 22 2015 23:23 Eywa- wrote:
My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times. Are you fucking serious? I was the one who got in touch about our match in the first place, and suggested Sunday because I can't play on Saturday. You messaged me on Friday at 3:30am, how the fuck was I supposed to read that when I have work Friday and Saturdays. I did not send a message saying you responded too late, and I even agreed to play the time you originally SUGGESTED today. Now will you dodge any harder? Edit: Screenshots spoilered + Show Spoiler + You mean to tell me that you didn't log onto TL either Friday Morning, Friday Night, Saturday Morning or Saturday Night? How do you expect to have confirmed a match for Sunday if you didn't even check TL at any of those times? Basically, if I replied to you saying Today was okay, you wouldn't have been able to get back to me on time for it to be possible anyway... Since you only got back to me today. Also, when did you finish work on Saturday? I bet that time would have easily worked for me. Basically you told me: You can't play after 4pm EST on most days (which is absolutely ludicrous). Given that I finish work at 5pm EST, there is no way to make that work. The two days you suggested might work I already told you don't work because I happen to be travelling for work till Tuesday. Saturday was the best day imo. So basically, you suggested 2 days (one of which wouldn't have worked due to your lousy response time) - So let's say 1 day with a very limited selection of play times. And, I suggested 1 day, anytime (which also didn't work because you "allegedly" didn't check TL) and were working during the day (which is fine because my optimal play time isn't during the day for you, it's evening/night). Obvious dodge is obvious. I think it's pretty obvious that you would have replied to me if I was able to play Sunday, but because I said Saturday would work for me, you decided to just let it sit and pretend you didn't read it till Sunday morning.
No I didn't check TL Friday or Saturday, I travel for work and don't have time to sit around browsing TL when I do so.
5pm EST is totally different from 06:30 EST. In no part of your PMs did you mention that you were working until Tuesday.
So basically I had two days where I couldn't play cause of work, and you have three days, and yet you're not even willing to consider other scheduling before posting shit here.
You're welcome to assume whatever you wish, everyone here knows who is dodging whom.
How about playing now instead of posting on TL?
Edit: If you're done with your work travel on Tuesday, then how about Tuesday night 6pm EST, which btw converts to midnight CET. So no, 4pm EST isn't that ludicrous for people who work at 6am.
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On November 23 2015 07:02 DarkNetHunter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:On November 23 2015 00:01 DarkNetHunter wrote:On November 22 2015 23:23 Eywa- wrote:
My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times. Are you fucking serious? I was the one who got in touch about our match in the first place, and suggested Sunday because I can't play on Saturday. You messaged me on Friday at 3:30am, how the fuck was I supposed to read that when I have work Friday and Saturdays. I did not send a message saying you responded too late, and I even agreed to play the time you originally SUGGESTED today. Now will you dodge any harder? Edit: Screenshots spoilered + Show Spoiler + You mean to tell me that you didn't log onto TL either Friday Morning, Friday Night, Saturday Morning or Saturday Night? How do you expect to have confirmed a match for Sunday if you didn't even check TL at any of those times? Basically, if I replied to you saying Today was okay, you wouldn't have been able to get back to me on time for it to be possible anyway... Since you only got back to me today. Also, when did you finish work on Saturday? I bet that time would have easily worked for me. Basically you told me: You can't play after 4pm EST on most days (which is absolutely ludicrous). Given that I finish work at 5pm EST, there is no way to make that work. The two days you suggested might work I already told you don't work because I happen to be travelling for work till Tuesday. Saturday was the best day imo. So basically, you suggested 2 days (one of which wouldn't have worked due to your lousy response time) - So let's say 1 day with a very limited selection of play times. And, I suggested 1 day, anytime (which also didn't work because you "allegedly" didn't check TL) and were working during the day (which is fine because my optimal play time isn't during the day for you, it's evening/night). Obvious dodge is obvious. I think it's pretty obvious that you would have replied to me if I was able to play Sunday, but because I said Saturday would work for me, you decided to just let it sit and pretend you didn't read it till Sunday morning. No I didn't check TL Friday or Saturday, I travel for work and don't have time to sit around browsing TL when I do so. 5pm EST is totally different from 06:30 EST. In no part of your PMs did you mention that you were working until Tuesday. So basically I had two days where I couldn't play cause of work, and you have three days, and yet you're not even willing to consider other scheduling before posting shit here. You're welcome to assume whatever you wish, everyone here knows who is dodging whom. How about playing now instead of posting on TL? Edit: If you're done with your work travel on Tuesday, then how about Tuesday night 6pm EST, which btw converts to midnight CET. So no, 4pm EST isn't that ludicrous for people who work at 6am.
I can probably do Tuesday Night at 6:30 pm. It also depends if my flight gets delayed though.
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Our lineup is a bit off. Here's what it should be:
Week 3
DeSPA vs WeMadeC
Biolunar <Shadowplay> EmptyCup
BaD]Seed<Demian> zs-Adun
Miso <Colosseum II> CrispyDrone
dazed. <Match Point> evilEye
Art_Of_Turtle <Blue Storm> Taehee[KaL]
fiscei <Heartbeat> Kororo
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On November 23 2015 06:26 Eywa- wrote:
Also, since when is 3am considered to be late in the day? ;d
are you fucking serious lol ?
come on man
DNH not picking on that point just shows how much of a true Scottish gentleman he is
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Confirmed. Eywa is a vampire.
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On November 23 2015 13:40 Falling wrote:
Confirmed. Eywa is a vampire.
lol
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CrispyDrone's TL id does not exist, so I'll just write here. I am available after Tuesday 6:00PM CST and anytime since then. Message me to schedule game.
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On November 23 2015 08:04 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 07:02 DarkNetHunter wrote:On November 23 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:On November 23 2015 00:01 DarkNetHunter wrote:On November 22 2015 23:23 Eywa- wrote:
My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times. Are you fucking serious? I was the one who got in touch about our match in the first place, and suggested Sunday because I can't play on Saturday. You messaged me on Friday at 3:30am, how the fuck was I supposed to read that when I have work Friday and Saturdays. I did not send a message saying you responded too late, and I even agreed to play the time you originally SUGGESTED today. Now will you dodge any harder? Edit: Screenshots spoilered + Show Spoiler + You mean to tell me that you didn't log onto TL either Friday Morning, Friday Night, Saturday Morning or Saturday Night? How do you expect to have confirmed a match for Sunday if you didn't even check TL at any of those times? Basically, if I replied to you saying Today was okay, you wouldn't have been able to get back to me on time for it to be possible anyway... Since you only got back to me today. Also, when did you finish work on Saturday? I bet that time would have easily worked for me. Basically you told me: You can't play after 4pm EST on most days (which is absolutely ludicrous). Given that I finish work at 5pm EST, there is no way to make that work. The two days you suggested might work I already told you don't work because I happen to be travelling for work till Tuesday. Saturday was the best day imo. So basically, you suggested 2 days (one of which wouldn't have worked due to your lousy response time) - So let's say 1 day with a very limited selection of play times. And, I suggested 1 day, anytime (which also didn't work because you "allegedly" didn't check TL) and were working during the day (which is fine because my optimal play time isn't during the day for you, it's evening/night). Obvious dodge is obvious. I think it's pretty obvious that you would have replied to me if I was able to play Sunday, but because I said Saturday would work for me, you decided to just let it sit and pretend you didn't read it till Sunday morning. No I didn't check TL Friday or Saturday, I travel for work and don't have time to sit around browsing TL when I do so. 5pm EST is totally different from 06:30 EST. In no part of your PMs did you mention that you were working until Tuesday. So basically I had two days where I couldn't play cause of work, and you have three days, and yet you're not even willing to consider other scheduling before posting shit here. You're welcome to assume whatever you wish, everyone here knows who is dodging whom. How about playing now instead of posting on TL? Edit: If you're done with your work travel on Tuesday, then how about Tuesday night 6pm EST, which btw converts to midnight CET. So no, 4pm EST isn't that ludicrous for people who work at 6am. I can probably do Tuesday Night at 6:30 pm. It also depends if my flight gets delayed though.
I'll be around until 06:30, otherwise please PM me your Skype ID and we can arrange for Wednesday if need be.
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Calling sB.Passafist. Im available Tuesday and Wednesday. please message me to talk about our schedule
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On November 23 2015 16:51 PH.XtinC wrote:
Calling sB.Passafist. Im available Tuesday and Wednesday. please message me to talk about our schedule
I am sB.Passafist. Tuesday would probably work better as I have a practice for a sound gig on Wednesday. My timezone is PST.
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eSpi.Loccxito vs CrispyDrone ATL-week 2:
To preemptively clear my name, my opponent and I were in contact in the beginning of the week. We tried playing once, but were unable due to lag (he was in a cybercafe). I told him I'd be online around the same time during the next few days. I also sent another PM on Friday detailing I'd be available to play in the evening. Not to set a trend, but inspired by DarkNetHunter I also include pictures of the PMs.
+ Show Spoiler +Overview of inbox ![[image loading]](http://i66.tinypic.com/24lsrqo.jpg) His reply to my request ![[image loading]](http://i64.tinypic.com/339nf9f.jpg) My reply ![[image loading]](http://i64.tinypic.com/4rb0k5.jpg) My reply to my team manager inquiring whether there were any troubles planning the game. ![[image loading]](http://i65.tinypic.com/33w2m43.jpg) My asking whether he would be able to play Friday night. ![[image loading]](http://i63.tinypic.com/mrwjz4.jpg) My contacting my captain to say I would be unable to play on Saturday. ![[image loading]](http://i65.tinypic.com/9u3pld.jpg)
Anyway, I hope we can come back to this match somewhere in the near future since I did spend some time preparing a style for Match-point.
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nDie.XtinC from Club Starcraft is from the Philippines.
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On November 23 2015 19:48 PH.XtinC wrote:nDie.XtinC from Club Starcraft is from the Philippines.
HAHAHA
can anyone give me the contact details of err, smallballs.
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On November 23 2015 13:20 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 06:26 Eywa- wrote:
Also, since when is 3am considered to be late in the day? ;d are you fucking serious lol ? come on man DNH not picking on that point just shows how much of a true Scottish gentleman he is
I don't understand what you mean? 3am on Friday would be considered late for Thursday, not for Friday.
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On November 23 2015 16:51 DarkNetHunter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2015 08:04 Eywa- wrote:On November 23 2015 07:02 DarkNetHunter wrote:On November 23 2015 06:24 Eywa- wrote:On November 23 2015 00:01 DarkNetHunter wrote:On November 22 2015 23:23 Eywa- wrote:
My match isn't going to happen - I told my opponent that we had to play Saturday for it to work (I'm away on a business trip today and tomorrow and weekdays are generally incompatible for us). He ignored my pm (which was sent on Thursday and sent me a message today saying I responded too late)... Sounds like a dodge, especially given his other response times. Are you fucking serious? I was the one who got in touch about our match in the first place, and suggested Sunday because I can't play on Saturday. You messaged me on Friday at 3:30am, how the fuck was I supposed to read that when I have work Friday and Saturdays. I did not send a message saying you responded too late, and I even agreed to play the time you originally SUGGESTED today. Now will you dodge any harder? Edit: Screenshots spoilered + Show Spoiler + You mean to tell me that you didn't log onto TL either Friday Morning, Friday Night, Saturday Morning or Saturday Night? How do you expect to have confirmed a match for Sunday if you didn't even check TL at any of those times? Basically, if I replied to you saying Today was okay, you wouldn't have been able to get back to me on time for it to be possible anyway... Since you only got back to me today. Also, when did you finish work on Saturday? I bet that time would have easily worked for me. Basically you told me: You can't play after 4pm EST on most days (which is absolutely ludicrous). Given that I finish work at 5pm EST, there is no way to make that work. The two days you suggested might work I already told you don't work because I happen to be travelling for work till Tuesday. Saturday was the best day imo. So basically, you suggested 2 days (one of which wouldn't have worked due to your lousy response time) - So let's say 1 day with a very limited selection of play times. And, I suggested 1 day, anytime (which also didn't work because you "allegedly" didn't check TL) and were working during the day (which is fine because my optimal play time isn't during the day for you, it's evening/night). Obvious dodge is obvious. I think it's pretty obvious that you would have replied to me if I was able to play Sunday, but because I said Saturday would work for me, you decided to just let it sit and pretend you didn't read it till Sunday morning. No I didn't check TL Friday or Saturday, I travel for work and don't have time to sit around browsing TL when I do so. 5pm EST is totally different from 06:30 EST. In no part of your PMs did you mention that you were working until Tuesday. So basically I had two days where I couldn't play cause of work, and you have three days, and yet you're not even willing to consider other scheduling before posting shit here. You're welcome to assume whatever you wish, everyone here knows who is dodging whom. How about playing now instead of posting on TL? Edit: If you're done with your work travel on Tuesday, then how about Tuesday night 6pm EST, which btw converts to midnight CET. So no, 4pm EST isn't that ludicrous for people who work at 6am. I can probably do Tuesday Night at 6:30 pm. It also depends if my flight gets delayed though. I'll be around until 06:30, otherwise please PM me your Skype ID and we can arrange for Wednesday if need be.
I don't want your skype, but I'll be on at 6:30 on Tuesday.
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On November 22 2015 21:00 chrisolo wrote:
Guys, I would like to ask you or the teamleaders to post the results of played matches in spoiler-tags in this thread, so we can keep the Liquipedia page up to date. Furthermore, it would be nice if you write in here if some match is a walkover.
Results for WeMadeC
Week 1:
+ Show Spoiler +WeMadeC vs Sexy Gladiators
(forfeit) zs-Adun <Fighting Spirit> PuBepoH
Master_soul <New Heartbreak Ridge> Dutch*
CoughingHydra <Shadowplay> romarior**
CrispyDrone Demian> iCCup.JiN (played; ????)
Taehee[KaL] <Colosseum II> iwL-Hellscream (played; ????)
Kororo <Match Point> mmmbop[rage]*** *couldn't find a time that worked for both of them; postponed **CoughingHydra attempted to contact romarior but received no reply. Either w/o or "postponed"? ***Kororo attempted to contact mmmbog[rage] but received no reply. Either w/o or "postponed"?
Week 2:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2015 05:41 Jealous wrote:Week 2 results for Club StarCraft: + Show Spoiler +Crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> EmptyCup
Melchsee <Shadowplay> Master_Soul *
Tru]Irish <Demian> evilEye
[SD]RoLLeR <Colosseum II> CoughingHydra
eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone **
Fazers[PaiN] Walk-Over (Pending) <Blue Storm> Kororo
* Do not know the status on this, am not in direct contact with either player. EmptyCup should be asked about this.
** Loccxito attempted to contact CrispyDrone in this thread; I provided him with CrispyDrone's TL ID and I've provided EmptyCup with Loccxito's TL ID. Don't have an update from Loccxito on the status. EmptyCup can be consulted on this as well.
UPDATE: Results pending potential walk-over reversals. *Master_soul told me that Melchsee had computer problems so they weren't able to play. "Postponed" **CrispyDrone has explained the situation on page 8 of this thread. This game is currently being treated as "postponed".
On November 16 2015 06:18 art_of_turtle wrote:If team captains can post up the TL ID's for their teams it will help in getting players to contact each other. Here is team Despa PM List. + Show Spoiler +samsung865 C+ yuzix fischei C+ fischei1 Art_Of_Turtle C Art_Of_Turtle Artanis C Artanis[Xp] Ninazerg C Ninazerg Qikz C- Qikz ( vs )dazed. C- Dazed_Spy ( vs )Miso C- Dazed_Spy iNs.DNH C- DarkNetHunter ( vs )JXN D+ JieXian BaD]Seed D+ chrisolo ( vs )Rocko D+ JelloKitty Biolunar D Biolunar
WeMadeC contact list:
+ Show Spoiler + Talent C+ --> TL ID: Siz)Beggar --> Skype ID: aresclan Kororo C+ --> TL ID: Archaeo --> Skype ID: plaguuuuu Taehee[KaL] C --> TL ID: ArtOfBlack Seriosity C --> TL ID: seriosity [SAM]Gohan C- --> TL ID: Pit667 CoughingHydra C- --> TL ID: CoughingHydra --> Skype ID: ljudevit.palle1 hafnium C- --> TL ID: HaFnium evilEye C- --> TL ID: evilEye_ CrispyDrone C- --> TL ID: B-royal Master_soul D+ --> TL ID: master_soul zs-Adun D --> TL ID: zs-Adun EmptyCup D --> TL ID: SWAT-Kat
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On November 24 2015 01:37 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2015 21:00 chrisolo wrote:
Guys, I would like to ask you or the teamleaders to post the results of played matches in spoiler-tags in this thread, so we can keep the Liquipedia page up to date. Furthermore, it would be nice if you write in here if some match is a walkover. Results for WeMadeC Week 1: + Show Spoiler +WeMadeC vs Sexy Gladiators
(forfeit) zs-Adun <Fighting Spirit> PuBepoH
Master_soul <New Heartbreak Ridge> Dutch*
CoughingHydra <Shadowplay> romarior**
CrispyDrone Demian> iCCup.JiN (played; ????)
Taehee[KaL] <Colosseum II> iwL-Hellscream (played; ????)
Kororo <Match Point> mmmbop[rage]*** *couldn't find a time that worked for both of them; postponed **CoughingHydra attempted to contact romarior but received no reply. Either w/o or "postponed"? ***Kororo attempted to contact mmmbog[rage] but received no reply. Either w/o or "postponed"? Week 2: + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2015 05:41 Jealous wrote:Week 2 results for Club StarCraft: + Show Spoiler +Crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> EmptyCup
Melchsee <Shadowplay> Master_Soul *
Tru]Irish <Demian> evilEye
[SD]RoLLeR <Colosseum II> CoughingHydra
eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone **
Fazers[PaiN] Walk-Over (Pending) <Blue Storm> Kororo
* Do not know the status on this, am not in direct contact with either player. EmptyCup should be asked about this.
** Loccxito attempted to contact CrispyDrone in this thread; I provided him with CrispyDrone's TL ID and I've provided EmptyCup with Loccxito's TL ID. Don't have an update from Loccxito on the status. EmptyCup can be consulted on this as well.
UPDATE: Results pending potential walk-over reversals. *Master_soul told me that Melchsee had computer problems so they weren't able to play. "Postponed" **CrispyDrone has explained the situation on page 8 of this thread. This game is currently being treated as "postponed". Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:18 art_of_turtle wrote:If team captains can post up the TL ID's for their teams it will help in getting players to contact each other. Here is team Despa PM List. + Show Spoiler +samsung865 C+ yuzix fischei C+ fischei1 Art_Of_Turtle C Art_Of_Turtle Artanis C Artanis[Xp] Ninazerg C Ninazerg Qikz C- Qikz ( vs )dazed. C- Dazed_Spy ( vs )Miso C- Dazed_Spy iNs.DNH C- DarkNetHunter ( vs )JXN D+ JieXian BaD]Seed D+ chrisolo ( vs )Rocko D+ JelloKitty Biolunar D Biolunar WeMadeC contact list:+ Show Spoiler + Talent C+ --> TL ID: Siz)Beggar --> Skype ID: aresclan Kororo C+ --> TL ID: Archaeo --> Skype ID: plaguuuuu Taehee[KaL] C --> TL ID: ArtOfBlack Seriosity C --> TL ID: seriosity [SAM]Gohan C- --> TL ID: Pit667 CoughingHydra C- --> TL ID: CoughingHydra --> Skype ID: ljudevit.palle1 hafnium C- --> TL ID: HaFnium evilEye C- --> TL ID: evilEye_ CrispyDrone C- --> TL ID: B-royal Master_soul D+ --> TL ID: master_soul zs-Adun D --> TL ID: zs-Adun EmptyCup D --> TL ID: SWAT-Kat
Hey thanks for the master PM and Skype list I'll make sure my team sees it.
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On November 22 2015 16:51 evilEye_ wrote:
@dazed - we are supposed to play. what is your availability? Friday or saturday afternoon, 1-5 est or later again at say 8-11 est.
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zs-Adun please answer to my PM
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N.W.A. TL ID List
+ Show Spoiler + ICCup ID | TL ID
Puppyklr[eMg] | Puppykiller
aB.WaRZoNe | DannyBOyz
Fazers | Fazers
iNs.Rlentless | Rlentless
sGs.Babo | Jealous
NW.RolleR | [SD]RoLLeR
[TLG]Gurd | f10eQQ
eSpi.LoCcxitO | LoCcxitO.o
tru]irish | Tru]irish
nDie.XtinC | PH.XtinC
crimson0011 | c3rberUs
Melchsee | Proxy contact is grrgg
EDIT: RE: Loccxito: I have not heard from him in about a week, so I cannot offer any helpful information in this regard. I will notify the player and captain involved if this situation changes. If nothing comes of it in the near future, we will surrender the W/O.
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anyone casting this time?
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On November 24 2015 12:14 PH.XtinC wrote:
anyone casting this time?
Well to do that people would need to send Shimy replays
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On November 24 2015 15:32 L_Master wrote:Well to do that people would need to send Shimy replays
Don't you have most of the DeSPA vs bunny slayers reps? AFAIK AoT should have and you all but 2 (DNH and the C+ guy which was walkover because we never heard of him at all). Then you can also cast the other ones which Shimy has from week 2. Better than nothing.
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Arb <Heartbeat> mmmbop
sB.SpongeBOZZ <Heartbeat> Fazers
fiscei <Heartbeat> Kororo
I particularly want to watch these games, and the future games on Heartbeat and Latin Quarter coming up in week 4 and 5.
To players, please send me replays of games on Heartbeat and Latin Quarter.
Also, Shimy I should let you know there is an update available for Heartbeat map from version 1.05 to version 1.06 if you want it. One thing is it makes anti vulture pylon walls at the high ground expos a bit better. And it makes the islands a bit better too.
http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4794
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On November 24 2015 04:44 chrisolo wrote:zs-Adun please answer to my PM
If anyone has contact to zs-Adun, I would appreciate it when you tell him to answer me. I really do not want a walkover. If no one has contact to him, I am more than fine if he gets substituted (preferably also Protoss, but if you do not have another Toss, I am also okay with another race).
I just wanna play the game..
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Spongebozz I PM'ed you but I'll say it here - I can only do this Sunday for the teamleague match. Any time that day. Thanks!
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I'm in op teamliquid for my 6:30 match.
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On November 25 2015 16:24 chrisolo wrote:DNH vs Eywa Spoiler + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/blGVYnC.png) Hahahahahh ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kn3Wj8z.gif)
Hey chris we are done with this.
Eywa if you have scheduling conflicts or any issues with my teammates contact me or contact your captain so I can talk to them. We don't need this finger pointing BS, and we deffinetly don't need the forum drama.
Besides picking on DNH, one of the few guys who usually just tries to help out on the forums looking for UMS, or just throwing in a little bit of positive input, does not look good on your already spotty record. We are here to play the game and have some fun.
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On November 26 2015 01:09 art_of_turtle wrote:Hey chris we are done with this. Eywa if you have scheduling conflicts or any issues with my teammates contact me or contact your captain so I can talk to them. We don't need this finger pointing BS, and we deffinetly don't need the forum drama. Besides picking on DNH, one of the few guys who usually just tries to help out on the forums looking for UMS, or just throwing in a little bit of positive input, does not look good on your already spotty record. We are here to play the game and have some fun.
I wasn't even aware you were the captain nor that you would be the point of contact. I didn't do anything wrong with the scheduling of this match. DNH was making it difficult for me to get this game played, posting that in the forum isn't a bad thing - it provides extra motivation to get the match played.
You ask people to not point fingers while pointing fingers. So I can't really respect that too much, but one thing we agree on is we should probably stop this drama. It's pretty pointless - moot point given the game has been played.
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You ask people to not point fingers while pointing fingers. So I can't really respect that too much,
Look, if you can't figure out how you approached it wrong, let me give a suggestion for next time: if you are having trouble getting a time to work, sure post in the thread, but just lay out the facts. Don't add snippy commentary like 'sounds like a dodge' ...or even 'ignored my pm' was an assumption as it turned out your post was sent in the middle of his night. Also when trying to arrange matches, don't throw in "you're probably bad." Phrases like that move the conversation from simple requests for times that work to annoyance and unnecessary negativity. It's all avoidable.
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art_of_turtle can u play today?
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On November 26 2015 01:19 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 01:09 art_of_turtle wrote:On November 25 2015 16:24 chrisolo wrote:DNH vs Eywa Spoiler + Show Spoiler +Hahahahahh Hey chris we are done with this. Eywa if you have scheduling conflicts or any issues with my teammates contact me or contact your captain so I can talk to them. We don't need this finger pointing BS, and we deffinetly don't need the forum drama. Besides picking on DNH, one of the few guys who usually just tries to help out on the forums looking for UMS, or just throwing in a little bit of positive input, does not look good on your already spotty record. We are here to play the game and have some fun. I wasn't even aware you were the captain nor that you would be the point of contact. I didn't do anything wrong with the scheduling of this match. DNH was making it difficult for me to get this game played, posting that in the forum isn't a bad thing - it provides extra motivation to get the match played. You ask people to not point fingers while pointing fingers. So I can't really respect that too much, but one thing we agree on is we should probably stop this drama. It's pretty pointless - moot point given the game has been played. It's difficult to find a time, and play a match, basically every week. If your going to accuse everyone--especially established players- of dodging while insulting them, just because of a minor scheduling problem, you arent going to last long in these leagues.
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On November 26 2015 02:14 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +You ask people to not point fingers while pointing fingers. So I can't really respect that too much, Look, if you can't figure out how you approached it wrong, let me give a suggestion for next time: if you are having trouble getting a time to work, sure post in the thread, but just lay out the facts. Don't add snippy commentary like 'sounds like a dodge' ...or even 'ignored my pm' was an assumption as it turned out your post was sent in the middle of his night. Also when trying to arrange matches, don't throw in "you're probably bad." Phrases like that move the conversation from simple requests for times that work to annoyance and unnecessary negativity. It's all avoidable.
The claim I made wasn't false - in fact, I think you're interpreting it the same as everyone else - Which I don't understand. I messaged him in the middle of the night THURSDAY (Friday 3am), he said it was LATE on Friday which I messaged him - which is entirely incorrect. I didn't put any misleading information in my post.
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On November 26 2015 02:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 01:19 Eywa- wrote:On November 26 2015 01:09 art_of_turtle wrote:On November 25 2015 16:24 chrisolo wrote:DNH vs Eywa Spoiler + Show Spoiler +Hahahahahh Hey chris we are done with this. Eywa if you have scheduling conflicts or any issues with my teammates contact me or contact your captain so I can talk to them. We don't need this finger pointing BS, and we deffinetly don't need the forum drama. Besides picking on DNH, one of the few guys who usually just tries to help out on the forums looking for UMS, or just throwing in a little bit of positive input, does not look good on your already spotty record. We are here to play the game and have some fun. I wasn't even aware you were the captain nor that you would be the point of contact. I didn't do anything wrong with the scheduling of this match. DNH was making it difficult for me to get this game played, posting that in the forum isn't a bad thing - it provides extra motivation to get the match played. You ask people to not point fingers while pointing fingers. So I can't really respect that too much, but one thing we agree on is we should probably stop this drama. It's pretty pointless - moot point given the game has been played. It's difficult to find a time, and play a match, basically every week. If your going to accuse everyone--especially established players- of dodging while insulting them, just because of a minor scheduling problem, you arent going to last long in these leagues.
Sorry I'm not familiar with the list of reputable C- players.
Edit: Shouldn't we be dropping this? I was mostly in agreement with Art Of Turtle, I don't know why you guys are trying to fuel this more.
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We still need the results for following matches:
- Week 1: Bunny SlayerS vs Stealth Bunnies: sGs.Yaqoob vs sB.Splax
- Week 1: WeMadeC vs Sexy Gladiators: Matches 2,3,4 and 6 (see Liquipedia)
- Week 2: Sexy Gladiators vs Stealth Bunnies: WHOLE MATCH
- Week 3: whole week
Please report in here, so Liquipedia can be kept updated. Thank you guys.
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On November 26 2015 02:38 ArtOfBlack wrote:
art_of_turtle can u play today?
i appologize we are probably gonna have to play on Thursday cause ive been at work during your times.
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Result of my game, week 1: WMC vs SexyGladiators
+ Show Spoiler + CrispyDrone <Demian> ICCup.JiN
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art_of_turtle lolz u says thursdays .. i'm waitin for you since 1,5 h where are you? at weekend i don't have time...
edit: i go sleep yo
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easy me&art_of_turtle still talkin' but this fuckin times zone
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he gets off work 1 hour after I've started work, but we will continue to work it through.
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Spongebozz, msg me on skype today.
Also Kororo hasn't replied to my proposal to replay. Should I keep waiting?
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Waiting on DeSPA line up! Also, don't forget that you can make up games you've missed in previous weeks. Please take it upon yourself to do this! All players send replays (win or loss) to theamateurstarleague@gmail.com
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Arb <Heartbeat> C Taehee[KaL]
SiegesAddicted <Latin Quarter> Seriosity
[SD]RoLLeR <Heartbeat> JaeDong
Puppykiller <Latin Quarter> mmmbop[rage]
Awesome, 3 tvts on heartbeat and latin, and a zvp. (not sarcastic, I love tvt). Plus the to be announced stealth bunnies vs despa lineups. Please send me replays of games on Heartbeat and Latin Quarter.
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Shimy, I have send you the line up for Despa. Do you have the results for all missing results? Can you add me in Skype?
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Jaedong please contact me by PM (don't know your nick here)
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On November 30 2015 18:05 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Jaedong please contact me by PM (don't know your nick here)
Same here for Hellscream. Please contact me via PM, I couldn't find any of your contact information in either thread.
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Same here for Pubepoh. please contact me here.
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On November 30 2015 19:52 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2015 18:05 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Jaedong please contact me by PM (don't know your nick here) Same here for Hellscream. Please contact me via PM, I couldn't find any of your contact information in either thread.
User name LV-Hellscream
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Shimy, why am I not in the line up!?
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wow PvsP, PvsZ and ZvsZ I want to watch that!!!!!!!
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Team Toss for the win.
I'm not sure what Birdie was thinking putting Roy in... we could have had straight Protoss this round
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I really don't want to be an asshole, but didn't icedraco sign up as a C- player? Why is he seeded in the D+ cutoff match then?
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On December 02 2015 02:14 chrisolo wrote:
I really don't want to be an asshole, but didn't icedraco sign up as a C- player? Why is he seeded in the D+ cutoff match then?
loooooooool I just noticed that he's written as D in the OP, I was working off the rosters in the first page for my lineups.
I guess we're going to have to change him for someone else, Shimy do you mind tuning in as to what we should do?
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On November 24 2015 06:10 Jealous wrote:N.W.A. TL ID List+ Show Spoiler + ICCup ID | TL ID
Puppyklr[eMg] | Puppykiller
aB.WaRZoNe | DannyBOyz
Fazers | Fazers
iNs.Rlentless | Rlentless
sGs.Babo | Jealous
NW.RolleR | [SD]RoLLeR
[TLG]Gurd | f10eQQ
eSpi.LoCcxitO | LoCcxitO.o
tru]irish | Tru]irish
nDie.XtinC | PH.XtinC
crimson0011 | c3rberUs
Melchsee | Proxy contact is grrgg EDIT: RE: Loccxito: I have not heard from him in about a week, so I cannot offer any helpful information in this regard. I will notify the player and captain involved if this situation changes. If nothing comes of it in the near future, we will surrender the W/O.
Updated contact list for my team.
We are having difficulty contacting some of the players on Sexy Gladiators, mostly a lack of response. Just wanted to put that out there.
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On December 02 2015 03:21 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:14 chrisolo wrote:
I really don't want to be an asshole, but didn't icedraco sign up as a C- player? Why is he seeded in the D+ cutoff match then? loooooooool I just noticed that he's written as D in the OP, I was working off the rosters in the first page for my lineups. I guess we're going to have to change him for someone else, Shimy do you mind tuning in as to what we should do?
I am fine with any substitution.
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On December 02 2015 03:21 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:14 chrisolo wrote:
I really don't want to be an asshole, but didn't icedraco sign up as a C- player? Why is he seeded in the D+ cutoff match then? loooooooool I just noticed that he's written as D in the OP, I was working off the rosters in the first page for my lineups. I guess we're going to have to change him for someone else, Shimy do you mind tuning in as to what we should do?
Yeah I'll need a sub. Sorry about that, I thought someone told me he was D o,o
 sB.Passafist is subbed in!
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Evileye I free for most of Friday if you want to play on Friday.
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When is a good time chrisolo?
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NWA is having trouble contacting JaeDong and PuBePoH from Sexy Gladiators. Please let them know their opponents are looking for them. The contact information for my team is in the recent posts.
Thank you.
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Calling Pubepoh. Please contact me here to schedule our match. thank you!
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On December 02 2015 12:15 Falling wrote:
When is a good time chrisolo?
Today would be good. Any time until 21:30 GMT (+00:00).
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Ah. Ok. I can be in op Teamliquid.
edit.
Oh wait, by today, do you mean December 2nd? Unless we play now, I'll be sleeping/ working until after 13:00 PST. We might have to try for a different day/ time.
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On December 02 2015 15:31 Falling wrote:
Ah. Ok. I can be in op Teamliquid.
edit.
Oh wait, by today, do you mean December 2nd? Unless we play now, I'll be sleeping/ working until after 13:00 PST. We might have to try for a different day/ time.
Ah sry, didn't expect you to answer so quickly. I come online as fast as possible
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We played the match. I really want to thank Birdie and Passafist for the substitution and sorry for the delay @Passafist. GG!
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Still cant contact jaedong... probably he doesn't have internet at his prohouse.... lol
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Seriosity????? Where are you? contact me pls or his captain... 
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Here's an updated contact list for WeMadeC
WeMadeC contact list:+ Show Spoiler + Talent C+ | TL ID: Siz)Beggar | Skype ID: aresclan Kororo C+ | TL ID: Archaeo | Skype ID: plaguuuuu Taehee[KaL] C | TL ID: ArtOfBlack Seriosity C | TL ID: seriosity | Skype ID: seriosityera [SAM]Gohan C- | TL ID: Pit667 CoughingHydra C- | TL ID: CoughingHydra | Skype ID: ljudevit.palle1 hafnium C- | TL ID: HaFnium evilEye C- | TL ID: evilEye_ CrispyDrone C- | TL ID: B-royal Master_soul D+ | TL ID: master_soul zs-Adun D | TL ID: zs-Adun EmptyCup D | TL ID: SWAT-Kat | Skype ID: bigboyflexin For the players that have a Skype ID: Bold text means that option is the best way to contact that player. Plain text means both options are equally fine.
AmatistA, I sent you a PM about Seriosity! 
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Does anyone have Lmaster's contact information?
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On December 03 2015 00:24 Eywa- wrote:
Does anyone have Lmaster's contact information?
TL ID: L_Master
Skype ID: luciditymasters
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On December 03 2015 00:24 Eywa- wrote:
Does anyone have Lmaster's contact information?
Wat.
I'm only in like 4 skype groups with you...including your own team group in which we have played practice games :D
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On December 03 2015 00:54 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:24 Eywa- wrote:
Does anyone have Lmaster's contact information? Wat. I'm only in like 4 skype groups with you...including your own team group in which we have played practice games :D
Oh shit... I forgot who you were and I had a hard time contacting you to put me in the lineup. It's okay, I think things got cleared up here.
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any contact to ARB?
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On December 03 2015 22:09 ArtOfBlack wrote:any contact to ARB?
His TL name is arb.
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@Stardom I think we play this week. Can we play Friday late night like 12 midnight EST or after. Or Saturday early (before 6 PM EST)? Let me know or PM me. Thanks.
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have i missed anything? i just got the message about the game
ive been unable to play is why i havent posted in a while.
if you guys can take a sub or something we should do that.
not sure if this pc will even run bw, + crazy work schedule atm
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Still no contact with latino Jaedong... I don't understand, why people even bother to sign for an event when actually they don't give a shit about it.....
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Someone on his team should ask mmbop when he wants to play
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Dark_A doesn't even know he's playing or signed up. Can I claim W.O.? It's taking too long to get a game with him and I have to explain the whole league and rules which is bullshit.
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Nevermind, disregard my previous post. We got it worked out and played.
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Sorry guys, DeSPA having a bit of organisatory difficulties and I will step in for the captains position for 1-2 weeks.
Since I just found out about this, DeSPA's lineup will be sent later today in the evening (CET) or tommorow morning. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
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Couldn't contact Jaedog for the whole week.... I see that after that hype at the beginning now it's just sad. Most of the players don't give a shit bout this league, and again something potentially cool ended bad....
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My heart isn't in this game anymore. I don't know if I can commit to this league
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On December 07 2015 20:04 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Couldn't contact Jaedog for the whole week.... I see that after that hype at the beginning now it's just sad. Most of the players don't give a shit bout this league, and again something potentially cool ended bad....
Have there been that many walkovers, or have you just gotten unlucky? I've found all my opponents quite easily and thought the league was going quite well.
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When will week 5 be published? I don't know whom I need to play right now :D
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Dunno, it's my 2nd match, with the first one there were no problems.....
On December 09 2015 01:56 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 20:04 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Couldn't contact Jaedog for the whole week.... I see that after that hype at the beginning now it's just sad. Most of the players don't give a shit bout this league, and again something potentially cool ended bad.... Have there been that many walkovers, or have you just gotten unlucky? I've found all my opponents quite easily and thought the league was going quite well.
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On December 09 2015 02:09 B-royal wrote:
When will week 5 be published? I don't know whom I need to play right now :D
We're all still waiting on Shimy I guess. I tried contacting him on Skype but haven't gotten a response in about a day, he must be busy or something.
As far as walk-overs go, as a captain I can tell you that there have been A LOT. It's worse against some teams, better against others.
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There's like one more week- this last one.
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-_- Yea, and the organizer is MIA. I am not quick to judge but I would appreciate if we heard any word about this. I think my team has a good chance of winning this, despite us being set back so hard at the start. I don't want to disappoint my teammates.
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I'm going to be on holiday from the 12th until the 22nd so I won't be able to make it to any matches before then unless the schedule is released very soon
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Can we not just post our teams lineup here without the organizers help so we can at least get our games played?
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On December 09 2015 22:12 Biolunar wrote:
Can we not just post our teams lineup here without the organizers help so we can at least get our games played?
There needs to be third party to collect all the lineups first otherwise there is the possibility of countering (which I doubt but who knows really) the team who posted earlier.
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On December 09 2015 22:18 c3rberUs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 22:12 Biolunar wrote:
Can we not just post our teams lineup here without the organizers help so we can at least get our games played? There needs to be third party to collect all the lineups first otherwise there is the possibility of countering (which I doubt but who knows really) the team who posted earlier.
Two choices here: End the league or wait for the organizer to come back. I would like to continue and hope people don’t cheat.
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Since I do not care about getting countered and agree to Biolunar about just continuing the league, I will post the DeSPA line-up here:
chrisolo <Colosseum II> D+ cutoff
Biolunar <Match Point> D+ cutoff
dazed <Blue Storm> C- cutoff
ninazerg <Heartbeat> C cutoff
Artanis <Latin Quarter> C cutoff
fischei <Fighting Spirit> C+ cutoff
Please dear team captain of Sexy Gladiators (iCCup.Jin), post your lineup here too Thanks
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Nice initiative guys! I just wanted to bring up the issue so people are aware. ^^ Now I hope others will follow suit.
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Feel free to PM or skype me the lineups for this week and I will release them as soon as both teams have submitted them.
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Also, feel free to post here or PM or skype me all known results of your team games from any week and I will update and/or fix the liquipedia site.
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Here are all of NWA (formerly Club StarCraft) results:
+ Show Spoiler [Week 1 vs. DeSPA] +
+ Show Spoiler [Week 2 vs. WeMadeC] + Crimson001<New Heartbreak Ridge> EmptyCup Melchsee<Shadowplay> Master_Soul We are giving WMC a W/O here. Tru]Irish <Demian> evilEye [SD]RoLLeR<Colosseum II> CoughingHydra eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone There were technical difficulties here that have gone unresolved. We are asking for a Draw. Fazers[PaiN] <Blue Storm> Kororo We are claiming a W/O here. We get 4 points.
+ Show Spoiler [Week 3 vs. Stealth Bunnies] +
+ Show Spoiler [Week 4 vs. Sexy Gladiators] + nDie.XtinC <Demian> Pubepoh We are claiming a W/O here. crimson0011 <Colosseum II> BaD]Fry tru]irish <Match Point> dark_a sGs.BaBo <Blue Storm> Hellscream [SD]RoLLeR <Heartbeat> JaeDong We are claiming a W/O here. Puppykiller <Latin Quarter> mmmbop[rage] We are claiming a W/O here. We get 5 points.
Total after 4 weeks: 15 points.
If there are any questions, you can contact me via Skype.
EDIT: For the walk-overs we are claiming, I just want to make a statement for the record that I have made my teammates stay in vigorous contact and keep an open mind about playing matches with their opponents. All of the claimed W/Os are due to non-response for over a week, which I think is fair.
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I don't know why you are claiming a walkover against SpongeBOZZ, as the game was played.
As for the smallBALLS vs crimson0011 game, I am under the impression that they are in contact with each other and working on finding a time that works for both of them.
Stealth Bunnies vs WeMadeC
sB.smallBALLS <Colosseum II> EmptyCup
sB.Passafist <Match Point> Master_soul
sB.Icedraco <Blue Storm> hafnium
sB.Birdie <Heartbeat> CoughingHydra
sB.TheMarine <Latin Quarter> CrispyDrone
sB.SpongeBOZZ <Fighting Spirit> Seriosity
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RIP Shimy?
Also seconded to what Birdie said. I played Spongebozz. No walkover was claimed on either end. Thanks.
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My mistake, I even asked Fazers but as I was copy + pasting the walk over message I went overboard.
I linked my post to the team chat so I will await feedback from crimson but the last I heard he was not able to contact his opponent, my information could be outdated however.
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Alright! Who is master_soul and when is a good time to play?
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On December 10 2015 11:52 c3rberUs wrote:Ehh, me and smallballs played weeks ago... + Show Spoiler +
Sorry! Must have forgotten this. I will update the post accordingly.
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Also, my team has submitted our line-up (over 3 days ago), would be great to know the matches.
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icedraco when should we play?
I'm okay Sat/Sun 0800 - 1230 GMT
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Any more casts/VODs happening for this?
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Still waiting to see our week 5 line-up...
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Zero idea who im supposed to play tomorrow
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On December 12 2015 04:05 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Zero idea who im supposed to play tomorrow
As far as I know, grrgg said that there would be a 1 week extension for this final week of play.
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On December 12 2015 04:55 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 04:05 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Zero idea who im supposed to play tomorrow As far as I know, grrgg said that there would be a 1 week extension for this final week of play.
Considering that it's already Friday and we have no lineups posted it would be too big of a hassle to have people schedule and play their games till Sunday even if the lineups were posted right away.
That being said, I don't have the lineups of BunnySlayers and Sexy Gladiators, so I cannot post the last two matches...
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-Yes, there will be one week extension.
-BunnySlayers and Sexy Gladiators, pls send me a PM with your lineups.
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Let's just find an end to this league. Play this week out and give players one or two more weeks to play their unplayed matches. After a deadline we can just identify the two best teams and have a final (instead of playoffs).
I am willing to organize a new league in late march again. I was about to start my own D/C league, when Shimy went ahead to organize this league instead. I am quite confident that a league organized better, which actually has Results noted down somewhere, will be a lot more active than this.
A league is about competing not about playing meaningless games, thus a clear ranking is absolutely neccessary for an active community. And a clear ranking is only possible with an active orga. I will never understand, why you even start a league, when you cannot commit to at least 1-2 hours weekly for organizing it. Shimy please just post at least the last weeks lineups in here. There can always happen stuff in the real life and life can be stressful, but I think posting 3 match ups in here is quite do-able, as it only takes 5 minutes to do that.
So far, I would say that Club Starcraft and DeSPA would make up the finals, as no other team has submitted enough results to have same amount of points. If week 5 / finals does not play out until early/mid January, I would say we just have a match between Club Starcraft and DeSPA for finals (altough if an other team has more points evidently, I am more than open to replace one of the beforehand mentioned teams instead).
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Stealth Bunnies' results so far... a couple match ups were hard to track down, and I'm not sure if a couple missing ones were never played, played, or considered walk overs.
Week One
+ Show Spoiler +Bunny Slayers 2 : 4 SB Lmaster : Fighting Spirit sB.Birdie (sub for sB.Roy) Shimy New Heartbreak Ridge sB.PassafistRedAxis Shadowplay sB.EmpathyStardom[eMg] Demian sB.RulzBoooMSiegesAddicted Colosseum II sB.Birdie sGs.Yaqoob Match Point sB.Splax (walkover)
Week Two
+ Show Spoiler +Sexy Gladiators 1 : 1 SB Dutch New Heartbreak Ridge sB.Roy BaD]Fry Shadowplay sB.SmallBALLS [22/11/2015 8:07:34 PM] Jack Chen: same with the phillip j fry guy [22/11/2015 8:07:43 PM] Jack Chen: wont accept me on skype to set up something [22/11/2015 8:08:02 PM] Jack Chen: {screenshot of request} [22/11/2015 8:13:50 PM] Birdie: ye he said to me he gets a lot of bot requests so I gave you his ID directly [22/11/2015 8:13:55 PM] Birdie: keep trying this week for fry Walkover? Dark_a Demian sB.EMPaTHY never played dark_a in week 2. I messaged jin that week and he gave me dark_a's skype. Dark_a didn't accepted me until around a week ago (2 weeks late) and I have never seen him online in skype Walkover? Hellscream Colosseum II sB.RulZBoooM JiN Match Point sB.TheMarine Mmmbop[rage] Blue Storm sB.DefJam
Week Three
+ Show Spoiler +SB 1 : 5 Club StarcraftsB.smallBALLS Shadowplay crimson0011sB.Passafist Demian nDie.XtinCsB.EMPaTHY Colosseum II tru]irishsB.Icedraco Match Point RlentlesssB.Birdie Blue Storm f10eqq sB.SpongeBOZZ Heartbeat Fazers
Week Four
+ Show Spoiler +SB 4 : 2 DeSPA sB.Passafist Demian BaD]SeedsB.Roy Colosseum II RockosB.Empathy Match Point dazed. sB.RulzBoooM Blue Storm Miso sB.TheMarine Heartbeat Artanis sB.Splax Latin Quarter fischei
So I guess we so far have 10 points, but there are a few unresolved or unknown matches. Won 2/4 of matchups, lost one and Week 2 is unresolved.
Also, I see master_soul has been placed in the D+ max slot, but for other tourneys he signed up as max C-.
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I never played dark_a in week 2. I messaged jin that week and he gave me dark_a's skype. Dark_a didn't accepted me until around a week ago (2 weeks late) and I have never seen him online in skype
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Ah. Sorry, I was trying to piece things together from skype conversations. It has now been corrected.
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Results for WeMadeC:
Week 1 vs Sexy Gladiators:
+ Show Spoiler +zs-Adun vs PuBepoH (walkover)Master_soul vs Dutch never played; couldn't find a time that worked for both CoughingHydra vs romarior CoughingHydra contacted; romarior never answered CrispyDrone vs iCCup.JiN Taehee[KaL] vs iwL-Hellscream Kororo vs mmmbop[rage] Kororo contacted; mmmbop[rage] never answered Score: 1 - 2
Week 2 vs Club StarCraft
+ Show Spoiler +EmptyCup vs crimson0011 Master_soul vs Melchsee not played; connection issues evilEye vs Tru]Irish CoughingHydra vs [SD]RoLLeR CrispyDrone vs eSpi.LoCcxitO connection issues and then LoCcxitO stopped answering messages Kororo vs Fazers[PaiN] (walkover)Score: 0 - 4
Week 3 vs DeSPA
+ Show Spoiler +EmptyCup vs Biolunar EmptyCup (subbed for zs-Adun ) vs BaD]Seed CrispyDrone vs Miso apparently Miso gg'd just past the 2 minute mark and left the game. CrispyDrone said he's willing to replay it, but realistically... evilEye vs dazed Taehee[KaL] (walkover) vs Art_Of_Turtle Kororo vs fiscei unknown if played or unplayed; Kororo is offline during December so a walkover can be awarded or we can sub someone in if approved Score: 3 - 2
Week 4 vs Bunny SlayerS
+ Show Spoiler +EmptyCup vs feckless Master_soul vs LMaster unknown if played or unplayed CoughingHydra vs RedAxis unknown if played or unplayed evilEye vs Stardom Taehee[KaL] vs Arb Taehee[KaL] contacted; Arb never answered Seriosity vs SiegesAddicted unknown if played or unplayed Score: 1 - 1
Overall:
+ Show Spoiler +
Regarding Master_soul , Shimy listed him as D+ on our roster so I treated him as such.
Other captains/players, please post if you have any updates or issues regarding the above.
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On December 12 2015 12:26 SWAT-Kat wrote:Results for WeMadeC: Week 1 vs Sexy Gladiators: + Show Spoiler +zs-Adun vs PuBepoH (walkover)Master_soul vs Dutch never played; couldn't find a time that worked for both CoughingHydra vs romarior CoughingHydra contacted; romarior never answered CrispyDrone vs iCCup.JiN Taehee[KaL] vs iwL-Hellscream Kororo vs mmmbop[rage] Kororo contacted; mmmbop[rage] never answered Score: 1 - 2 Week 2 vs Club StarCraft + Show Spoiler +EmptyCup vs crimson0011 Master_soul vs Melchsee not played; connection issues evilEye vs Tru]Irish CoughingHydra vs [SD]RoLLeR CrispyDrone vs eSpi.LoCcxitO connection issues and then LoCcxitO stopped answering messages Kororo vs Fazers[PaiN] (walkover)Score: 0 - 4 Week 3 vs DeSPA + Show Spoiler +EmptyCup vs Biolunar EmptyCup (subbed for zs-Adun ) vs BaD]Seed CrispyDrone vs Miso apparently Miso gg'd just past the 2 minute mark and left the game. CrispyDrone said he's willing to replay it, but realistically... evilEye vs dazed Taehee[KaL] (walkover) vs Art_Of_Turtle Kororo vs fiscei unknown if played or unplayed; Kororo is offline during December so a walkover can be awarded or we can sub someone in if approved Score: 3 - 2 Week 4 vs Bunny SlayerS + Show Spoiler +EmptyCup vs feckless Master_soul vs LMaster unknown if played or unplayed CoughingHydra vs RedAxis unknown if played or unplayed evilEye vs Stardom Taehee[KaL] vs Arb Taehee[KaL] contacted; Arb never answered Seriosity vs SiegesAddicted unknown if played or unplayed Score: 1 - 1 Overall: + Show Spoiler +Regarding Master_soul , Shimy listed him as D+ on our roster so I treated him as such. Other captains/players, please post if you have any updates or issues regarding the above.
If Master_Soul was available to play games (as in, he was actively responding, had a functional computer with StarCraft installed, etc.) during the week of his match with Melchsee, I would like to offer you guys the W/O for the match because Melchsee didn't even have a working computer that week. The only reason we fielded him despite knowing his situation is because 1. I hoped that it would be resolved at some point soon, and 2. We had no choice.
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Seriosity??? where are u?
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Since there have been no line-ups submitted from the two missing teams, I think that we should start thinking about how play-offs will be handled as there are only 4 teams left, 2 of which will not have a 5th set of matches played. I have a couple of ideas on how to handle this situation, but I will leave it up to the organizer to make this choice. The issues to consider are:
1. On the one hand, it is unfair for the teams that don't have opponents for Week 5 for their position in ranking to be affected.
2. On the other hand, it is unfair for the teams that do have opponents for Week 5 for their position in ranking to NOT be affected by how they perform this week.
I think it would be best if the organizer figured out the rankings of the teams up to Week 4 and see what he can do from there.
Thanks!
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On December 13 2015 08:17 AmatistA wrote:
Seriosity??? where are u?
Have you tried PM'ing him?
Seriosity is online almost every day and he has told me you didn't respond to his PM last week.
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So uh.... can we get an update or...?
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Can my opponent please PM me (or the captain of said opponent) so I can organize our game? Pretty hectic right now or I'd do it myself.
At this stage I imagine playoffs will happen in January sometime.
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On December 17 2015 17:48 Birdie wrote:
Can my opponent please PM me (or the captain of said opponent) so I can organize our game? Pretty hectic right now or I'd do it myself.
At this stage I imagine playoffs will happen in January sometime.
Done.
The holiday season seems to be taking its toll
I'll be out of town for almost a week around the new year, but I'll still check TL and be available for communication.
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Canada11350 Posts
Is the captain of master_soul able to contact him? After the first message, I got no reply to my counter-proposal of a playing time and no showing during the end of his time range (which was my counter-proposed time.) Since then I have gotten no other replies to my other messages. I would like to play the game if at all possible.
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On December 18 2015 00:29 Falling wrote:
Is the captain of master_soul able to contact him? After the first message, I got no reply to my counter-proposal of a playing time and no showing during the end of his time range (which was my counter-proposed time.) Since then I have gotten no other replies to my other messages. I would like to play the game if at all possible.
I can PM him, but if that's what you've been doing, then I guess it won't help too much :/ Sorry, that's all I can do
Only other thing I can suggest is subbing myself or zs-Adun in, but we're both Protoss.
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Since Sexy Gladiators did not post their lineup yet, I am requesting a whole Walk-Over for this match.
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Canada11350 Posts
If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play.
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My opponent (t0ssboy) and I (CrispyDrone) have contacted each other but it's highly likely that we won't be able to play before next week. Would this still be acceptable?
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On December 19 2015 04:36 B-royal wrote:
My opponent (t0ssboy) and I (CrispyDrone) have contacted each other but it's highly likely that we won't be able to play before next week. Would this still be acceptable?
I think it’s not to far-fetched to say: yes.
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Shimy!!!!!!! where are you?
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On December 18 2015 08:21 Falling wrote:If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play.
Well, for your sake, I hope he responds because zs-Adun and I are the only other D-rankers on the team :/
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On December 19 2015 12:13 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:21 Falling wrote:If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play. Well, for your sake, I hope he responds because zs-Adun and I are the only other D-rankers on the team :/
I'm also a D-ranked player.. so far I only played once this league
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Japan11286 Posts
I've played almost all of my matches (3/4). The draw between me and jiexian was due to technical difficulty/scheduling issues. I initially had the impression it was mostly like that with the others :/
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Canada11350 Posts
On December 19 2015 12:13 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:21 Falling wrote:If he doesn't respond, I'll take a sub, but I'd prefer to play Terran, else this will be the second league in a row I have not gotten to play my strongest match up But to play is better than not to play. Well, for your sake, I hope he responds because zs-Adun and I are the only other D-rankers on the team :/
Well, at this point I'm getting no response, so I'll take the sub. Ideally we can play relatively soon because I am on holidays now, but closer to Christmas I'm going to get really, really busy.
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Is this league still active? I have not seen a new "matchup" in 2 weeks I think..
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Canada11350 Posts
There should not be any new matchups because we are trying to play out the final week- the league was only 5 weeks long.
Teams will rotate Round Robin style each week. This means each team will play each other over the course of 5 weeks. Each win per player counts as 1 point. After 5 weeks, the Amateur TeamLeague's organization will evaluate the position of the league a determine how to move forward.
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Well Shimy did not even post the match-up for the week 5 yet, so I doubt he ll organize the play offs.
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grrgg, you stepped up earlier, any updates? What are the teams who did not get an opponent W5 going to do? How will play-offs be seeded? Are there play-offs at all? ):
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On December 21 2015 04:32 Jealous wrote:
grrgg, you stepped up earlier, any updates? What are the teams who did not get an opponent W5 going to do? How will play-offs be seeded? Are there play-offs at all? ):
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I never received any lineups from bunny slayers and sexy gladiators. Maybe they had them sent to shimy, maybe not. With the upcoming holiday, I don't think that there is any reason to pp any further, so the opponents of those teams should get w/o for last week.
I don't think there were any play-offs planned. If I recall correctly, there were 5 weeks of play scheduled and depending on activity and interest of the players/teams, a second round and/or play-offs could have been added.
A second round seems absolutely unreasonable at this point.
If people are interested, we can do play-offs. Those would need to be the third weekend of next year the earliest, since I can imagine that a lot of players will not be able to play in the following few weeks.
As far as the participating teams in the potential play-offs are concerned, it would be the best if we the captains could provide and update list of their teams results (at least the ones missing from liquipedia). Feel free to claim w/o for any opponents not showing up, pp till after christmas would be pointless.
I can only assume that sexy gladiators will neither make the cut nor have any interest to play in play-offs.
At least on bunny slayers nearly everybody has a TL id, so if they actually make the top4 and somebody feels like submitting their lineups they could play in the play-offs. However, currently it looks like there are only 4 teams available for the play-offs anyway.
Updated results would help with the seeding. I would suggest a single elimination bracket with the final 4 teams with 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd.
Of course, we can also just end the league now. Winning team being the one with the most points.
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On December 10 2015 04:07 Jealous wrote:Here are all of NWA (formerly Club StarCraft) results: + Show Spoiler [Week 1 vs. DeSPA] ++ Show Spoiler [Week 2 vs. WeMadeC] + Crimson001<New Heartbreak Ridge> EmptyCup Melchsee<Shadowplay> Master_Soul We are giving WMC a W/O here. Tru]Irish <Demian> evilEye [SD]RoLLeR<Colosseum II> CoughingHydra eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone There were technical difficulties here that have gone unresolved. We are asking for a Draw. Fazers[PaiN] <Blue Storm> Kororo We are claiming a W/O here. We get 4 points. nDie.XtinC <Demian> Pubepoh We are claiming a W/O here. crimson0011 <Colosseum II> BaD]Fry tru]irish <Match Point> dark_a sGs.BaBo <Blue Storm> Hellscream [SD]RoLLeR <Heartbeat> JaeDong We are claiming a W/O here. Puppykiller <Latin Quarter> mmmbop[rage] We are claiming a W/O here. We get 5 points. Total after 4 weeks: 15 points. If there are any questions, you can contact me via Skype. EDIT: For the walk-overs we are claiming, I just want to make a statement for the record that I have made my teammates stay in vigorous contact and keep an open mind about playing matches with their opponents. All of the claimed W/Os are due to non-response for over a week, which I think is fair.
My team and I would like to play in play-offs, if possible and the interest is there.
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I think DeSPA would want to win this league when it would be played out
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 Bunny Slayers
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On December 22 2015 06:45 chrisolo wrote:I think DeSPA would want to win this league when it would be played out
Haha now that our team has had ample time together to practice and prepare for matches, and a solid line-up that will surrender no more W/Os, you guys have no chance.
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On December 22 2015 09:48 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 06:45 chrisolo wrote:I think DeSPA would want to win this league when it would be played out Haha now that our team has had ample time together to practice and prepare for matches, and a solid line-up that will surrender no more W/Os, you guys have no chance.
I think we will never know, because Shimy is nowhere to be seen since a month or so. Though he has been online in Skype...
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Move on from Shimy, if he comes back let him help again. Run with ggrrg idea and lets get this thing rolling. The longer we wait the more people lose interest.
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It seems like there is enough interest for play-offs: Club Starcraft and DeSPA have confirmed. SB should be able to field enough players as well.. WeMadeC have shown to be very reliable so far.
Unless there are any objections, I would suggest the following for the play-offs:
- BO7 Single Elimination bracket
- Based on the regular season table: 1st vs 4th teams and 2nd vs 3rd teams
- Deadline for the semi-final line-ups: Sunday, Jan 10 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the semi-final games: Sunday, Jan 17 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Each team vetoes one map from the mappool
- Deadline for the final (and optionally 3rd place match) line-ups: Sunday, Jan 24 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the final (and optionally 3rd place match) games: Sunday, Jan 31 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Qualified teams:
The current Standings with updated Week 5 (2 w/o's and the known to me results from sb vs wemadec) can be seen on liquipedia:
wiki.teamliquid.net
I am strongly inclined to award w/o for every unplayed game of Sexy Gladiators. I would not like to completely DQ them and give them 0-6 in all games, since it feels unfair to their players, who bothered to schedule their games, to their opponents that beat them, and because it would have close to zero impact on the standings (only WeMadeC would gain 1 more point compared to the other 4 teams).***
The standings with w/o's against Sexy Gladiators (ONLY for the UNPLAYED games) would look like this:
1 Club Starcraft..............21 (3 games left)
2 DeSPA .......................18 (3 games left)
3 Stealth Bunnies...........14 (3 games left)
4 WeMadeC...................12 (9 games left)
5 Bunny SlayerS.............9 (4 games left)
6 Sexy Gladiators...........5
Club Starcraft are either 1st or 2nd. They would be ahead of WeMadeC in a tiebreaker given equal Points. They can only be tied with DeSPA.
DeSPA can be tied for 1st or end up 2nd or 3rd.
SB can only be 3rd or 4th.
WeMadeC can be anywhere between 2nd and 5th.
Bunny SlayerS can be either 4th or 5th.
If Bunny SlayerS win the 4 unaccounted games vs WeMadeC and WeMadeC loses at least 4/5 of their other unacounted games, Bunny SlayerS would end up 4th. This however seems highly unlikely for a lot of reasons.
Here it gets difficult to decide how to handle the seedings. I fear that no matter how it is done it will end up slightly unfair for one team or another. This is why I would ask the captains of all teams to submit in the thread any results that may have been missed (see liquipedia page) or claim w/o's wherever they feel appropriate. Please, explain shortly the situation if you claim w/o. If the captains feel that a draw is appropriate, feel free to suggest it. Also, feel free to take have the games played out until the end of this year if both sides agree.
+ Show Spoiler [a list of the relevant games] +
W1
Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar (If this hasn't been played yet, I will award w/o for Despa since Biolunar tried to contact his opponent in the following weeks)
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXN
W2
eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone
W3
fischei <Heartbeat> Kororo
W4
LMaster <Colosseum II> Master_soul
RedAxis<Match Point> CoughingHydra
Stardom<Blue Storm> evilEye
Arb <Heartbeat> C Taehee[KaL]
W5
sB.Icedraco <Blue Storm> Hafnium
sB.TheMarine <Latin Quarter> CrispyDrone
sB.SpongeBOZZ <Fighting Spirit> Seriosity
Play-offs Format:
The season format was bo6, which cannot be used in the play-offs. A bo7 seems appropriate, since it will not eliminate anybody's possibility to participate as opposed to a bo5 format.
In my opinion, there are three options for the 7th Slot:
- Additional C+ Slot
- Additional C Slot
- Ace Match
If the Ace Match option is chosen, each team could potenially field one player twice. The lineups would need to be submitted with the ace player already chosen and the ace match would need to be played during the same week as the other matches, meaning that it may end up being played before all other matches have concluded.
Additional slots for lower level players (C- and below) would make the games either too unfair or result in w/o in my opinion.
So here is a poll with the Options:
Poll: 7th slot for the play-offsadditional C+ slot (2) 14% additional C slot (3) 21% ace match (as explained above) (9) 64% 14 total votes Your vote: 7th slot for the play-offs (Vote): additional C+ slot
(Vote): additional C slot
(Vote): ace match (as explained above)
Final words:
Feel free to PM me with any suggestions or if you disagree with anything above.
It is unlikely, but I may be unable to come on TL until January 4th.
edit:
***If Sexy Gladiators are DQ'ed completely WeMadeC would gain 1 more point against the other teams and DeSPA will lose 1 point compared to the other teams. This would lock Club Starcraft in first place and also mean that Bunny SlayerS are locked in 5th unless WeMadeC loses all their remaining games.
Please comment on whether all of Sexy Gladiators' matches should be counted as 0-6 for the play-off seedings!
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I don't think DeSPA will be able to play before mid January. So if you plan to play earlier, you can probably rule us out. BUT I am just the intermediate captain, as AoT has private business atm. I will ask my team mates after christmas.
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I had originally voted for C+ but please change my vote to ACE!
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Is Gohan the formet MgZ player?
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In order to send line-ups, we need a map list for the Semi/Finals
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lol obviously not gohan from mgz... :D
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Regarding the games in question as concerns WeMadeC:
Week 1:
+ Show Spoiler +W1 Master_soul (WeMadeC) <New Heartbreak Ridge> Dutch (Sexy Gladiators) + Show Spoiler +They couldn't find a time that worked for both of them. Game is a draw. W1 CoughingHydra (WeMadeC) <Shadowplay> romarior (Sexy Gladiators) + Show Spoiler +romarior never responded to messages. WeMadeC would like to claim this game as a walkover. W1 Kororo (WeMadeC) <Match Point> mmmbop[rage] (Sexy Gladiators) + Show Spoiler +mmmbop[rage] never responded to messages. WeMadeC would like to claim this game as a walkover.
Week 2:
+ Show Spoiler +W2 eSpi.LoCcxitO (Club Starcraft/NWA) <Match Point> CrispyDrone (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +Last I heard, CrispyDrone and eSpi.LoCcxitO decided on a time to play, but the lag from eSpi.LoCcxitO's end made the game unplayable. The two of them decided to try again the next day when eSpi.LoCcxitO could connect from home instead of a PC cafe, but apparently eSpi.LoCcxitO never showed. So, WeMadeC would like to claim this game as a walkover.
Week 3:
+ Show Spoiler +W3 fischei (DeSPA) <Heartbeat> Kororo (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +I believe Kororo never responded to messages, so DeSPA is free to claim this game as a walkover.
Week 4:
+ Show Spoiler +W4 LMaster (Bunny SlayerS) <Colosseum II> Master_soul (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +Last I heard from Master_soul, they tried to agree on a time to play but it didn't work out. And they were still trying to agree on a time to play. Game is a draw. W4 RedAxis (Bunny SlayerS) <Match Point> CoughingHydra (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +CoughingHydra told me that his opponent awarded him the walkover. W4 Stardom (Bunny SlayerS) <Blue Storm> evilEye (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +evilEye won this match. It is recorded as such on the league's wikipedia page. W4 Arb (Bunny SlayerS) <Heartbeat> Taehee[KaL] (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +Last I heard, Taehee[KaL] messaged Arb, but never got any response. Also, Arb posted on page 13 of this thread that he just got the message about the game (posted Dec 4th, last day for that week's game to be played), and that he had computer problems plus a very busy work schedule. So WeMadeC would like to claim this game as a walkover. W4 SiegesAddicted (Bunny SlayerS) <Latin Quarter> Seriosity (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +I tried to put the players in touch with each other as best as I could. I have no idea if they did finally get in contact with each other, and if they did, I have no idea what the result of their game was.
Week 5:
+ Show Spoiler +W5 sB.Icedraco (Stealth Bunnies) <Blue Storm> Hafnium (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +W5 sB.TheMarine (Stealth Bunnies) <Latin Quarter> CrispyDrone (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +W5 sB.SpongeBOZZ (Stealth Bunnies) <Fighting Spirit> Seriosity (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +
If all the above is approved, updated points and mapscore for WeMadeC is as such:
+ Show Spoiler +Points = 15
Matches Won = 3
Matches Tied = 1
Matches Lost = 1
Maps +/- = +5
If other captains/players would like to contest the results or give any new information, please do so as soon as possible.
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On January 05 2016 01:14 SWAT-Kat wrote:Regarding the games in question as concerns WeMadeC: W2 eSpi.LoCcxitO (Club Starcraft/NWA) <Match Point> CrispyDrone (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +Last I heard, CrispyDrone and eSpi.LoCcxitO decided on a time to play, but the lag from eSpi.LoCcxitO's end made the game unplayable. The two of them decided to try again the next day when eSpi.LoCcxitO could connect from home instead of a PC cafe, but apparently eSpi.LoCcxitO never showed. So, WeMadeC would like to claim this game as a walkover.
This is the first time I'm hearing of this confirmed time for the following day. I feel that CrispyDrone would/should have come forward with this information a long time ago, since I've been claiming this as a draw due to technical difficulties for well over a month now. This is also the first I'm hearing that the lag was definitely due to LoCcxitO. Keep in mind that in some cases people can't play together but can play fine with other people.
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I finally have normal PC access again!
Sorry for not updating any earlier but I really did not feel like typing on my mobile phone…
Qualified teams:
Thanks to the updates on the results posted above, it seems like we can have a clear ranking that does not need any questionable executive decisions to be finalized.
+ Show Spoiler [results/decisions on all remaining games] +
All unplayed games from Sexy Gladiators will be deemed w/o for the opposite team.
Their played games would not result in any change in the rankings, so it does not matter at all if they are deemed w/o as well or left as they are.
All other unclaimed games will be deemed draws.
list of the relevant games posted in my previous post:
W1
draw Melchsee <Fighting Spirit> Biolunar (No point in changing the previous decision since it would not change the rankings)
draw crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> JXN
W2
draw eSpi.LoCcxito <Match Point> CrispyDrone (No point in discussing this further since it would have no effect on the rankings)
W3
w/o fischei <Heartbeat> Kororo
W4
draw LMaster <Colosseum II> Master_soul
w/o RedAxis<Match Point> CoughingHydra
Stardom<Blue Storm> evilEye (My bad, the game has been played and recorded)
w/o Arb <Heartbeat> Taehee[KaL]
draw SiegesAddicted <Heartbeat> Seriosity
W5
win sB.Icedraco <Blue Storm> Hafnium
draw sB.TheMarine <Latin Quarter> CrispyDrone
draw sB.SpongeBOZZ <Fighting Spirit> Seriosity
With the results in the spoiler above, the final standings look like this:
1 Club Starcraft..............21
2 DeSPA .......................19
3 WeMadeC...................15
4 Stealth Bunnies...........14
5 Bunny SlayerS.............9
6 Sexy Gladiators...........5
This means that the semi-finals of the play-offs will be:
Club Starcraft vs Stealth Bunnies
DeSPA vs WeMadeC
Play-offs Format, Times and Schedule:
The final format will be BO7 with an Ace match as voted in the community poll.
+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match description] +
A player that has already been fielded in another match can be fielded a second time in the Ace Match!
The lineups would need to be submitted with the ace player already chosen and the ace match would need to be played during the same week as the other matches, meaning that it may end up being played before all other matches have concluded.
D+ cutoff <Colosseum II> D+ cutoff
D+ cutoff <New Heartbreak Ridge> D+ cutoff
C- cutoff <Demian> C- cutoff
C cutoff <Fighting Spirit> C cutoff
C cutoff <Latin Quarter> C cutoff
C+ cutoff <Match Point> C+ cutoff
Ace <Blue Storm> Ace
+ Show Spoiler [Choice of maps] +I decided to skip the map vetoes I had earlier suggested since it seems like an unneccessary organizational hassle. I just threw all 9 maps into random.org and took the first 7 ones in the order they appeared: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mN0VAm1.jpg) I will re-do this for the Finals and the 3rd place Match
I would like to stick to the timetable I had suggested in my earlier post. If any play-off team feels like, they would actually need more time, I would bump the entire schedule one week further into the future. Please, let me know if I should do so until Sunday!
If we stick to the original suggestion, the timetable would like like this:
- Deadline for the semi-final line-ups: Sunday, Jan 10 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the semi-final games: Sunday, Jan 17 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the finals (and 3rd place match) line-ups: Sunday, Jan 24 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Deadline for the finals (and 3rd place match) games: Sunday, Jan 31 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Final thoughts:
- I have not updated liquipedia with the final results. Feel free to do so now if you wish. Else I will do it by the end of the week.
- As always, feel free to PM me with any suggestions or if you disagree with anything above.
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Let's do this.
P.S. Our team name is N.W.A., has been for about a month.
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On January 05 2016 04:45 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 01:14 SWAT-Kat wrote:Regarding the games in question as concerns WeMadeC: W2 eSpi.LoCcxitO (Club Starcraft/NWA) <Match Point> CrispyDrone (WeMadeC) + Show Spoiler +Last I heard, CrispyDrone and eSpi.LoCcxitO decided on a time to play, but the lag from eSpi.LoCcxitO's end made the game unplayable. The two of them decided to try again the next day when eSpi.LoCcxitO could connect from home instead of a PC cafe, but apparently eSpi.LoCcxitO never showed. So, WeMadeC would like to claim this game as a walkover. This is the first time I'm hearing of this confirmed time for the following day. I feel that CrispyDrone would/should have come forward with this information a long time ago, since I've been claiming this as a draw due to technical difficulties for well over a month now. This is also the first I'm hearing that the lag was definitely due to LoCcxitO. Keep in mind that in some cases people can't play together but can play fine with other people.
Ah, I guess I read too much into CrispyDrone's messages. Rereading the PMs I received, there wasn't a second confirmed time, but CrispyDrone said he messaged LoCcxitO to ask him for another time to play, and also said he (CrispyDrone) would be online at the same time the next few days. But LoCcxitO never showed or responded. In the end, CrispyDrone himself didn't claim the walkover, so I have no problem calling the game a draw. I just wanted to take any blame away from CrispyDrone.
I didn't mean to pull a fast one. At the time, we were under the impression that there would be a week to make up the unplayed games, so I never bothered bringing any of this up. Sorry for any misunderstanding. My fault.
In any case, thank you ggrrg for making quick and clear final decisions. Playoffs gogogo~!
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I hope DeSPA will gather a line up, since our team chat was quite for 3 weeks or so. But I will motivate everyone in my team to play. Dunno though if January 10 is feasible for our team T_T
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On January 05 2016 22:01 chrisolo wrote:
I hope DeSPA will gather a line up, since our team chat was quite for 3 weeks or so. But I will motivate everyone in my team to play. Dunno though if January 10 is feasible for our team T_T
The deadline to play the games is the next week (January 17th). If you still don't think you'll have enough players, you can always ask ggrrg to push it back one week like he suggested.
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DeSPA is ready to roll, just submitted our lineup
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WeMadeC has submitted a lineup as well! Let us meet in glorious battle! 
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nvm i see at liquidpedia i win by w/o xd
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Play-off semi-finalsN.W.A. vs Stealth BunniesnDie.XtinC <Colosseum II> sB.Passafist crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> sB.Roy tru]irish <Demian> sB.IceDraco [SD]RolleR <Fighting Spirit> sB.TheMarine sGs.BaBo <Latin Quarter> sB.Birdie Fazers <Match Point> sB.DefJam ACE Fazers <Blue Storm> sB.Splax DeSPA vs WeMadeCchrisolo <Colosseum II> Master_soul Biolunar <New Heartbreak Ridge> zs-Adun dazed. <Demian> CoughingHydra DNH <Fighting Spirit> Taehee[KaL] Art_of_Turtle <Latin Quarter> hafnium fischei <Match Point> Talent ACE Artanis <Blue Storm> Seriosity Deadline:
Sunday, Jan 17 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
+ Show Spoiler [edit] +On January 11 2016 11:50 Dazed_Spy wrote:
dazed. <Demian> CoughingHydra
Will be a tvz actually.
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dazed. <Demian> CoughingHydra
Will be a tvz actually.
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On January 11 2016 11:50 Dazed_Spy wrote:
dazed. <Demian> CoughingHydra
Will be a tvz actually.
That's not what I was told, but it is an early enough notice to deem this acceptable. I'll change this in the post above.
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Wow, 5 PvZ's in a row in NWA vs. SB @_@
I really wanted a PvP, preferably against TheMarine. Oh well. Hopefully this PvZ will go better than my last two -_-;
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Can someone give PM the contact details for sb.roy?
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I kindly ask same for sb.themarine
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Birdie against Babo ahahah, niceee. Hopefully Eric finds time to cast this.
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any contact info on fischei??
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How can I contact DefJam and Splax?
What is DefJam aka? Never seen this account.
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On January 12 2016 02:13 Siz)Beggar wrote:
any contact info on fischei??
I already gave him your Skype, he should add you soon.
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Does sb.themarine have a TL account? SB cl, please reply
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On January 12 2016 03:23 Fazers wrote:
How can I contact DefJam and Splax?
What is DefJam aka? Never seen this account.
DefJam = DeathheaveN
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Also, PM me skypes please
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rofl oh god Taehee what have we got into again^^
PM me on TL or get your Skype working finally
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I have PMed the people who needed sB contact info so far, if anyone else needs help contacting their opponents send me a PM.
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master_soul pls answer my PM
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nDie.XtinC, who are you and when can we play?
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On January 11 2016 14:25 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 11:50 Dazed_Spy wrote:
dazed. <Demian> CoughingHydra
Will be a tvz actually. That's not what I was told, but it is an early enough notice to deem this acceptable. I'll change this in the post above. Yeah, I signed up as tvz for this tourny, whereas im normally just a full zerg player.
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On January 13 2016 13:11 Falling wrote:
nDie.XtinC, who are you and when can we play?
Re-posting this for convenience:
On December 02 2015 05:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2015 06:10 Jealous wrote:N.W.A. TL ID List+ Show Spoiler + ICCup ID | TL ID
Puppyklr[eMg] | Puppykiller
aB.WaRZoNe | DannyBOyz
Fazers | Fazers
iNs.Rlentless | Rlentless
sGs.Babo | Jealous
NW.RolleR | [SD]RoLLeR
[TLG]Gurd | f10eQQ
eSpi.LoCcxitO | LoCcxitO.o
tru]irish | Tru]irish
nDie.XtinC | PH.XtinC
crimson0011 | c3rberUs
Melchsee | Proxy contact is grrgg EDIT: RE: Loccxito: I have not heard from him in about a week, so I cannot offer any helpful information in this regard. I will notify the player and captain involved if this situation changes. If nothing comes of it in the near future, we will surrender the W/O. Updated contact list for my team. We are having difficulty contacting some of the players on Sexy Gladiators, mostly a lack of response. Just wanted to put that out there.
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tru]irish pm me here. my username is icedraco
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On January 13 2016 16:13 icedraco wrote:
tru]irish pm me here. my username is icedraco
Please see the post above you for contact information.
In fact, his TL username is the same as his ICCup name.
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Tru]irish add me on skype sgs.icedraco
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no contact with themarine, both here and on skype.... why u even line up guys who don't give a shit?
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On January 12 2016 21:21 chrisolo wrote:
master_soul pls answer my PM
Still no answer. Someone has contact to him?
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On January 14 2016 17:16 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
no contact with themarine, both here and on skype.... why u even line up guys who don't give a shit?
You never messaged me on Skype you know, shoot me a message abd we will figure it out.
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lol, I did two days ago... is it your skype? the_black_lion1?
On TL you didn't receive anything either? That's strange.....
I'll ask here, sunday in the evening, I mean after 21CET is Ok?
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On January 14 2016 22:05 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
lol, I did two days ago... is it your skype? the_black_lion1?
On TL you didn't receive anything either? That's strange.....
I'll ask here, sunday in the evening, I mean after 21CET is Ok?
My skype is the_black_lion1,yet i have received nothing. After 21 gets way too late,i can do 21 or before.
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DefJam PLEASE add me on Skype.
Splax and I are playing on Saturday so that is settled.
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Still no word from zs-Adun Can any WeMadeC guy please poke him to read PMs?
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Ok so Sunday, 21CET, channel - amateur
See you there
On January 14 2016 23:53 t0ssboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 22:05 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
lol, I did two days ago... is it your skype? the_black_lion1?
On TL you didn't receive anything either? That's strange.....
I'll ask here, sunday in the evening, I mean after 21CET is Ok? My skype is the_black_lion1,yet i have received nothing. After 21 gets way too late,i can do 21 or before.
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On January 15 2016 01:46 Biolunar wrote:Still no word from zs-Adun Can any WeMadeC guy please poke him to read PMs?
I messaged him on Skype and he messaged me back about 5 hours ago that he was "PMing him now".
On January 14 2016 19:23 chrisolo wrote:Still no answer. Someone has contact to him?
I PM'd him last week Saturday (the 9th) to let him know he's in the lineup for this week's game. At this point, all I can suggest is to sub myself in (but I'm Protoss), or you get the walkover. Sorry
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On January 15 2016 17:48 SWAT-Kat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 01:46 Biolunar wrote:Still no word from zs-Adun Can any WeMadeC guy please poke him to read PMs? I messaged him on Skype and he messaged me back about 5 hours ago that he was "PMing him now".
Thanks!
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On January 15 2016 17:48 SWAT-Kat wrote: I PM'd him last week Saturday (the 9th) to let him know he's in the lineup for this week's game. At this point, all I can suggest is to sub myself in (but I'm Protoss), or you get the walkover. Sorry
I cannot play til Sunday evening (20:00 GMT (+00:00) ++), but if you want to play then, i am fine. But you would need to play Terran though. I prepared for a Terran ;(
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On January 16 2016 05:24 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 17:48 SWAT-Kat wrote: I PM'd him last week Saturday (the 9th) to let him know he's in the lineup for this week's game. At this point, all I can suggest is to sub myself in (but I'm Protoss), or you get the walkover. Sorry I cannot play til Sunday evening ( 20:00 GMT (+00:00) ++), but if you want to play then, i am fine. But you would need to play Terran though. I prepared for a Terran ;(
Alright, that's fine.
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I've just realised the deadline is 17/1 and I have jus tnow sent a PM to art of turtle..
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On January 17 2016 05:25 HaFnium wrote:
I've just realised the deadline is 17/1 and I have jus tnow sent a PM to art of turtle..
Were you the first to try to establish contact?
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We agreed wit themarine to postpone our match for tomorrow 21.00 CET so stay tuned for the result
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DeSPA and WeMadeC need a bit more time to complete our match. Still 2 sets to be played out (incl the ace match).
Results so far :
+ Show Spoiler +DeSPA 3-2 WeMadeC
BioLunar lose vs zs-Adun
chrisolo win vs EmptyCup (subbed for master_soul)
dazed win vs CoughingHydra
AoT lose vs hafnium
Fischei win vs Talent
Still to go as far as I know :
DNH vs Taehee
And possibly Ace match)
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Tried to play with sb.themarine today but the lag was horrible, probably we have a coflict... or one of us lagged as hell what now? :D
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On January 19 2016 05:12 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:Tried to play with sb.themarine today but the lag was horrible, probably we have a coflict... or one of us lagged as hell what now? :D
I'm starting discussions with Birdie now as to how to proceed.
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Update: Results from sB vs. NWA are pending one, possibly two games. sB.Roy vs. crimson0011 is being organized now due to extenuating circumstances in terms of communication.
Update:
[9:09:44 PM] Korean Grandma: Based on the current situation between our teams, we have 3 unplayed matches. So Birdie and I agreed the fairest thing to do would be to try and play the matches this week.
[9:09:46 PM] Korean Grandma: So that means
[9:10:05 PM] Korean Grandma: RolleR vs. TheMarine, you guys need to try to use a UDP client like GameRanger, Hamachi, or Evolve to get your game in.
[9:10:16 PM] Korean Grandma: GameRanger is probably the easiest, so please communicate on that.
[9:10:35 PM] Korean Grandma: Crimson0011 vs. Roy should try to schedule for this week.
[9:10:43 PM] Korean Grandma: And Fazers vs. DefJam try to schedule for this week also.
Update:
The matches will all be played before Sunday evening EST; if any matches are unplayed at that point, Birdie and I will have to decide how to proceed, based on the results of the other matches.
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Themarine I PM'ed you on TL, don't know if you received it. Can we arrange our game on thursday or friday evening?
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unfortunately themarine didn't show on agreed date that is Friday 21 CET, what now?
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On January 23 2016 05:46 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
unfortunately themarine didn't show on agreed date that is Friday 21 CET, what now?
Updating RulzBoom and Birdie about the current state of affairs.
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What is the current state of the games between DeSPA and WeMadeC?
NWA vs sB is still at 3:3 and the final game will hopefully be played on Wednesday.
I would really hate to have w/o's decide play-off games, but please try to finish your games by Sunday.
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^ isnt it 3:2, technically, with ace not counting unless tied? Then in that case, it'd be 3:4.
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On January 25 2016 12:28 ggrrg wrote:
What is the current state of the games between DeSPA and WeMadeC?
NWA vs sB is still at 3:3 and the final game will hopefully be played on Wednesday.
I would really hate to have w/o's decide play-off games, but please try to finish your games by Sunday.
Yes, currently it's DeSPA 3 : 2 WeMadeC. I messaged my team members from the last 2 games a few days ago to ask about results, but so far, I haven't heard back. :/
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On January 26 2016 06:55 Fazers wrote:
^ isnt it 3:2, technically, with ace not counting unless tied? Then in that case, it'd be 3:4.
That's my understanding also.
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On January 26 2016 06:55 Fazers wrote:
^ isnt it 3:2, technically, with ace not counting unless tied? Then in that case, it'd be 3:4.
Same difference :p
Technically, you are correct. Practically, there is one game left and the team that wins it, wins the match.
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DNH vs Taehee was set to be played on Saturday but Taehee did not come. DNH wanted to reschedule it, but I don't know if he did it yet. Ace match was shaky since Artanis did not know he was seeded until 1,5 weeks ago (my mistake), but I hope they also have contacted each other.
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I'm scheduled to play with sb.Themarine on Wendesday evening. Hopefully this time he will show up...
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Me and DNH gonna play our game today (tommorow max)
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Finally managed to play on gameranger. You can welcome NWA in the finals now.
Roller 1-0 themarine
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On January 28 2016 06:49 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Finally managed to play on gameranger. You can welcome NWA in the finals now.
Roller 1-0 themarine
Justice prevails!
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On January 28 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:49 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Finally managed to play on gameranger. You can welcome NWA in the finals now.
Roller 1-0 themarine Justice prevails!
Did you ever doubt marine's consistency in losing PvZ? xD
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On January 28 2016 09:05 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2016 06:49 [SD]RoLLeR wrote:
Finally managed to play on gameranger. You can welcome NWA in the finals now.
Roller 1-0 themarine Justice prevails! Did you ever doubt marine's consistency in losing PvZ? xD
Not for a moment. I wouldn't bet on TheMarine to win anything, ever.
Results/winning reps sent.
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Well me and Taehee haven't managed to play our game after all :p
Currently 2-1 in my favour for showing up haha
If possible would like to still get it played though, but can't do it this weekend. If you guys need the result, consider it a Draw for now and see score then.
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I guess now we just need map order so we can send-in line ups ^^
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Grand Finals
N.W.A. vs DeSPA
3rd Place Match
WeMadeC vs Stealth Bunnies
Map Order
D+ cutoff <Latin Quarter> D+ cutoff
D+ cutoff <Demian> D+ cutoff
C- cutoff <Blue Storm> C- cutoff
C cutoff <Colosseum II> C cutoff
C cutoff <Shadowplay> C cutoff
C+ cutoff <New Heartbreak Ridge> C+ cutoff
Ace <Heartbeat> Ace
+ Show Spoiler [Choice of maps] +I just threw all 9 maps into random.org and took the first 7 ones in the order they appeared: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QcEyL31.jpg)
+ Show Spoiler [Ace Match description] +
A player that has already been fielded in another match can be fielded a second time in the Ace Match!
The lineups would need to be submitted with the ace player already chosen and the ace match would need to be played during the same week as the other matches, meaning that it may end up being played before all other matches have concluded.
I will post the matches as soon as I have received all lineups.
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Nice way to randomize the map order lol.
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WeMadeC lineup submitted.
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Finals lineup:
DeSPA vs NWA
chrisolo P <Latin Quarter> P crimson0011
Rocko P <Demian> Z nDie.XtinC
dazed T <Blue Storm> Z tru]irish
Artanis Z <Colosseum II> Z NW.RolleR
Art_of_turtle Z <Shadowplay> T Rlentless
fischei P <New Heartbreak Ridge> P Fazers
Artanis Z <Heartbeat> T Fazers
GLHF!
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^ You beat me to it
When sB posts a roster I will add the lineups for the 3rd place match.
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Whats tru irishes teamliquid acct/skype? Want to set up a time for our match.
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Same goes for crimson0011.
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On February 16 2016 03:27 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Whats tru irishes teamliquid acct/skype? Want to set up a time for our match.
On February 16 2016 03:56 chrisolo wrote:
Same goes for crimson0011.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/497918-r-and-s-amateur-teamleague?page=9#162
EDIT: Can we get a public release of the other semi-final match's results? Like, who won vs whom, and etc.
Here is ours:
NWA 4 - 2 sB.
nDie.XtinC <Colosseum II> sB.Passafist
crimson0011 <New Heartbreak Ridge> sB.Roy
tru]irish <Demian> sB.IceDraco
NW.RolleR <Fighting Spirit> sB.TheMarine
sGs.BaBo <Latin Quarter> sB.Birdie
Fazers <Match Point> sB.DefJam
--ACE--
Fazers <Blue Storm> sB.Splax
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Can we get that other Semifinal result pls? ^^
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Hello,
I wanted to apologize for my lack of presence during this team league. I let my teammates down and wasted a draft pick for them. I knew I was going overseas for an extended period of time however I did not foresee how hard it would be to get set up in a new country. It took months to get stable internet and furniture and even now I only have a desk for my kids without a computer chair.
I had assumed that I would be ready to play within weeks of moving but their was a lot of stuff to deal with in the new apartment and the internet speed is horrendous here and kept disconnecting of not working for days. I'm sorry that my absence contributed to a bunch of walk-over wins for whatever teams we were matched up with.
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Semis:
DeSPA - WeMadeC
chrisolo <Colosseum II> EmptyCup (subbed for Master_soul)
Biolunar <New Heartbreak Ridge> zs-Adun
dazed. <Demian> CoughingHydra
DNH <Fighting Spirit> Taehee[KaL]
Art_of_Turtle <Latin Quarter> hafnium (not played or hafnium won, cannot remember)
fischei <Match Point> Talent
ACE
Artanis <Blue Storm> Seriosity (not played)
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Hey nDie.XtinC, since we have not found each other in battle.net at the same time yet, can I get your tl account name to set a date to play?
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On February 24 2016 21:16 EvilChuck wrote:
Hey nDie.XtinC, since we have not found each other in battle.net at the same time yet, can I get your tl account name to set a date to play?
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Thank you very much, I thought I read through everything on the thread but it seems I missed that.
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On February 25 2016 21:41 EvilChuck wrote:
Thank you very much, I thought I read through everything on the thread but it seems I missed that.
Haha, no worries, even if you are being sarcastic. We haven't heard from him directly in a few days either, but I hope you will do us the honor of waiting for him to present himself, within reason.
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Not being sarcastic here :D.No worries, I havent had much time to keep up with this league myself sadly.
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On February 27 2016 00:16 EvilChuck wrote:
Not being sarcastic here :D.No worries, I havent had much time to keep up with this league myself sadly.
I've sent him a message on Facebook, hopefully he will communicate with us shortly.
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Unfortunately, sB can't field a team for the 3rd place match. WeMadeC is awarded a def win.
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Thanks for the shout-out. By the looks of it, this tour will end by the time the man vs machine tour starts.
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Ace will be possibly rescheduled or a sub will be used in my behalf worst case.
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Finals result: + Show Spoiler +
DeSPA 4-3 NWA
chrisolo P <Latin Quarter> P crimson0011
Rocko P <Demian> Z nDie.XtinC (Walkover)
dazed T <Blue Storm> Z tru]irish
Artanis Z <Colosseum II> Z NW.RolleR
Art_of_turtle Z <Shadowplay> T Rlentless
fischei P <New Heartbreak Ridge> P Fazers
Artanis Z <Heartbeat> T Fazers
! It would be cool, if someone at least cast the finals of this tournament. I will provide the replays if someone is willing. So only click the spoiler if you dont plan to watch the cast of this.
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