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On February 18 2013 00:37 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 19:14 chrisolo wrote:On February 17 2013 00:35 Nagisama wrote:On February 16 2013 15:42 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 16 2013 15:08 Cpt.beefy wrote:
wtf.... ? I feel that drafting hasn't really worked in a long time, since maybe DRTL2. The teams needing players just simply ask the free agents before the actual drafting starts and then the pool simply disappears before draft. This is a bit early to say considering we still have 3 weeks til start of the season, but perhaps have AtomicArchon join one of the two teams ACE/Phoenix and have the remaining free agents divided between them would make 6 strong teams. Instead of waiting on almost 2 more teams worth of free agents to join in. We could wait on it for another week or so before deciding that, but just throwing out that possibility. Did you think the drafting in DRATL was bad too? I thought I done the best I could. If you think it was bad, could you give feedback for a possible draft in a possible future DRATL 2 (tho DRTL 4 and 5 will have priority and maybe even DRTL 6)? It is hard to improve these things without any kind of feedback. Maybe LMaster will be able to improve his drafting for this DRTL too with your feedback ^_^? I don't think it was terrible, but it had it's pros/cons for being a draft in the thread. Similarly, a Skype call with the captains also has pros/cons. Drafting in the thread is visible to everyone who sees it and also doesn't force team captains to a specific time to draft, but may be slow since people don't check the thread regularly. Skype drafting is faster, can probably be done in a few mins, but you need to find some agreed upon time that fits a bunch of people's schedules, it's a bit more private and results get posted afterwards, so it's not that bad. The main problem I found with the draft is that free agents are just being picked up pre-draft, and after a week or 2 when it's actually draft time, you have basically have no free agents left to draft. There isn't any rule saying they're not allowed to be picked up pre-draft as well. This leads to some more active captains actively going out and asking free agents if they want to join their team, and then they'll post later saying roster updated etc. This isn't necessarily a bad thing because I know teams need players, and it's best if the players are actually in a team they want to be in as opposed to being randomly stuff into a team. However, some captains will think, they should just wait for the draft, and will then feel shafted when they see free agents disappearing, and they may start picking up free agents themselves too. This just leads to a not-really draft-like end, and more of a, "ok we have like 0-3 players left as free agents for a draft, lets just put them on whoever needs them more". The other option is to have new players that sign up, specifically say they want to be free agents, and implementing some rule that they're off limits til the actual draft. Any new players to the league with a specific team they want to join, could probably state that when they first post their intentions to join, or have the team captain post on their behalf when they bring out their roster. This would have a bigger draft pool, and likely reduce the likeliness of new players being picked up pre-draft and perhaps a more balanced drafting. Either way, both types of draft end up with players on the teams that need them, which is good. The bad is that captains get shafted in not being able to pick players they had an eye on because they actually waited for the draft time, while other captains just ignored draft time and picked them up. Both are fine and can be implemented, just let the captains know specifically whether or not they're allowed to just randomly pick up free agents. Note: The captains I'm referring to are those on the teams that need the players. It's already obvious the bigger teams that are already fine on their own, don't need to draft, and they probably won't anyways because they know that.
The Skype call idea would definitely be the best choice, as it gives off the vibe that it's indeed like a draft of some sort, if any of you guys know about the NBA or NFL draft here for the States... And in fact, it could probably be done, even if all of the captains are present at the same time...
Drafting can start right now, with all the captains on Skype chat, and as there are still some FA's left, and more bound to sign up, captains can start commenting on Skype on who they want, and when they announce they they draft Player A, the next team comes in and announce they draft Player B in a time window; they have 3 days or something of the sort to draft their next players or otherwise, their turn will be passed and it would go off to the next captain.
That's just my opinion, we still have 3 weeks to start, and there's always more time for more possible teams/players to show up.
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On February 17 2013 19:14 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:35 Nagisama wrote:On February 16 2013 15:42 Prince_Stranger wrote:On February 16 2013 15:08 Cpt.beefy wrote:
wtf.... ? I feel that drafting hasn't really worked in a long time, since maybe DRTL2. The teams needing players just simply ask the free agents before the actual drafting starts and then the pool simply disappears before draft. This is a bit early to say considering we still have 3 weeks til start of the season, but perhaps have AtomicArchon join one of the two teams ACE/Phoenix and have the remaining free agents divided between them would make 6 strong teams. Instead of waiting on almost 2 more teams worth of free agents to join in. We could wait on it for another week or so before deciding that, but just throwing out that possibility. Did you think the drafting in DRATL was bad too? I thought I done the best I could. If you think it was bad, could you give feedback for a possible draft in a possible future DRATL 2 (tho DRTL 4 and 5 will have priority and maybe even DRTL 6)? It is hard to improve these things without any kind of feedback. Maybe LMaster will be able to improve his drafting for this DRTL too with your feedback ^_^?
I think you did exceptionally well with the drafting last season, and the organizing in general. Best D ranks league organizer by far. If I recall correctly, you only allowed teams with less than 6 players to sign players before the draft. For the actual drafting, a skype chat would have been better, but other than that, the team management of your league was flawless.
I don't really see the purpose in having a draft for this season as TAKK have already drafted 5 players, before the draft. Not giving the other teams the same opportunities seems very double standard to me. If there are different rules for different teams, I prefer having no rules at all.
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If Sun Kan is to be remade, I'll join. If not, then I would like to sign up as a free agent.
Puppykiller should be allowed to play. He's not that good. At least not his TvP, anyway, which I have heard touted as his best MU in his prime. I don't see how his offrace could be any better. Also, his ladder stats are consistent with this league's mid-to-upper level players.
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The other option is to have new players that sign up, specifically say they want to be free agents, and implementing some rule that they're off limits til the actual draft. Any new players to the league with a specific team they want to join, could probably state that when they first post their intentions to join, or have the team captain post on their behalf when they bring out their roster. This would have a bigger draft pool, and likely reduce the likeliness of new players being picked up pre-draft and perhaps a more balanced drafting.
Yea, I like this idea quite a bit. In other words, if you post in the thread you are signing up as a free agent, you can't go join a team. If you want to join a team, don't post in this thread but rather talk to the captains and let them announce you are joining that team.
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i think you should Allow Puppykiller to play,he has played tons of games on bigsandwich888 and it clearly proves his Z is D level.
Just my 2 cents
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On February 18 2013 02:53 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +The other option is to have new players that sign up, specifically say they want to be free agents, and implementing some rule that they're off limits til the actual draft. Any new players to the league with a specific team they want to join, could probably state that when they first post their intentions to join, or have the team captain post on their behalf when they bring out their roster. This would have a bigger draft pool, and likely reduce the likeliness of new players being picked up pre-draft and perhaps a more balanced drafting. Yea, I like this idea quite a bit. In other words, if you post in the thread you are signing up as a free agent, you can't go join a team. If you want to join a team, don't post in this thread but rather talk to the captains and let them announce you are joining that team.
Well, then the question is are you not gonna allow the players that originally signed up as an FA to join Phoenix?
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On February 18 2013 03:17 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 02:53 L_Master wrote:The other option is to have new players that sign up, specifically say they want to be free agents, and implementing some rule that they're off limits til the actual draft. Any new players to the league with a specific team they want to join, could probably state that when they first post their intentions to join, or have the team captain post on their behalf when they bring out their roster. This would have a bigger draft pool, and likely reduce the likeliness of new players being picked up pre-draft and perhaps a more balanced drafting. Yea, I like this idea quite a bit. In other words, if you post in the thread you are signing up as a free agent, you can't go join a team. If you want to join a team, don't post in this thread but rather talk to the captains and let them announce you are joining that team. Well, then the question is are you not gonna allow the players that originally signed up as an FA to join Phoenix?
No people that had/have already posted aren't bound by this.
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Canada8031 Posts
Personally, I feel that there's no point to having a draft in a league like this. A lot of the people who sign up are in these threads are relative unknowns, so it's not like any of the captains have scouting information or anything like that - the only thing you have to go off of is their iccup rank, an iffy indicator at best. I suppose you could attempt to look for reps they've uploaded, but still, considering it's a d ranks league, the usefulness of doing that is a bit questionable.
The only benefit I can see for a draft is to attempt to balance out race distribution on a team. But really, the same thing could be achieved by having the league organizer simply assign free agents to teams that need them.
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On February 18 2013 04:13 Spazer wrote:
Personally, I feel that there's no point to having a draft in a league like this. A lot of the people who sign up are in these threads are relative unknowns, so it's not like any of the captains have scouting information or anything like that - the only thing you have to go off of is their iccup rank, an iffy indicator at best. I suppose you could attempt to look for reps they've uploaded, but still, considering it's a d ranks league, the usefulness of doing that is a bit questionable.
The only benefit I can see for a draft is to attempt to balance out race distribution on a team. But really, the same thing could be achieved by having the league organizer simply assign free agents to teams that need them.
I think it's more for the experience and the thrill of possibly getting drafted by a team... But in reality, yeah, you're right, unless you're a known player "testing the free agency market", it's a bit pointless to be unknown and be drafted, 'cause it's almost impossible for captains to know what exactly they drafted until they do.
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On February 18 2013 05:45 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:13 Spazer wrote:
Personally, I feel that there's no point to having a draft in a league like this. A lot of the people who sign up are in these threads are relative unknowns, so it's not like any of the captains have scouting information or anything like that - the only thing you have to go off of is their iccup rank, an iffy indicator at best. I suppose you could attempt to look for reps they've uploaded, but still, considering it's a d ranks league, the usefulness of doing that is a bit questionable.
The only benefit I can see for a draft is to attempt to balance out race distribution on a team. But really, the same thing could be achieved by having the league organizer simply assign free agents to teams that need them. I think it's more for the experience and the thrill of possibly getting drafted by a team... But in reality, yeah, you're right, unless you're a known player "testing the free agency market", it's a bit pointless to be unknown and be drafted, 'cause it's almost impossible for captains to know what exactly they drafted until they do.
There are players like myself who are not sure whether or not our team is reforming, I'm sure that would have been the case for many others if TAKK hadn't gone headhunting and stacked the team sky high xD That team be SCARY.
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On February 18 2013 00:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Would you guys possibly want an All-Star League after DRTL is over? And if so, would you guys want the ASL to be based off of consensus vote or the performances of the players during DRTL, or even both?
I dunno about a LEAGUE for it, but maybe like a 1 week thing would be okay.
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On February 18 2013 06:08 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:45 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 18 2013 04:13 Spazer wrote:
Personally, I feel that there's no point to having a draft in a league like this. A lot of the people who sign up are in these threads are relative unknowns, so it's not like any of the captains have scouting information or anything like that - the only thing you have to go off of is their iccup rank, an iffy indicator at best. I suppose you could attempt to look for reps they've uploaded, but still, considering it's a d ranks league, the usefulness of doing that is a bit questionable.
The only benefit I can see for a draft is to attempt to balance out race distribution on a team. But really, the same thing could be achieved by having the league organizer simply assign free agents to teams that need them. I think it's more for the experience and the thrill of possibly getting drafted by a team... But in reality, yeah, you're right, unless you're a known player "testing the free agency market", it's a bit pointless to be unknown and be drafted, 'cause it's almost impossible for captains to know what exactly they drafted until they do. There are players like myself who are not sure whether or not our team is reforming, I'm sure that would have been the case for many others if TAKK hadn't gone headhunting and stacked the team sky high xD That team be SCARY.
In TAKK's defense, they weren't the ones hunting, me and LMaster were ;D
Maybe next TeamLeague, everyone can literally start fresh and 8 designated captains can choose from the 50-60+ players we have and actually draft out teams, with the intent of making each team equally distributed amongst races.
On February 18 2013 06:44 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Would you guys possibly want an All-Star League after DRTL is over? And if so, would you guys want the ASL to be based off of consensus vote or the performances of the players during DRTL, or even both? I dunno about a LEAGUE for it, but maybe like a 1 week thing would be okay.
Ahh, okay, so maybe like a simple Race Wars type of thing where Protoss, Zerg, and Terran are all in their own teams and we see who is the most dominant race?
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On February 18 2013 06:45 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:08 Jealous wrote:On February 18 2013 05:45 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 18 2013 04:13 Spazer wrote:
Personally, I feel that there's no point to having a draft in a league like this. A lot of the people who sign up are in these threads are relative unknowns, so it's not like any of the captains have scouting information or anything like that - the only thing you have to go off of is their iccup rank, an iffy indicator at best. I suppose you could attempt to look for reps they've uploaded, but still, considering it's a d ranks league, the usefulness of doing that is a bit questionable.
The only benefit I can see for a draft is to attempt to balance out race distribution on a team. But really, the same thing could be achieved by having the league organizer simply assign free agents to teams that need them. I think it's more for the experience and the thrill of possibly getting drafted by a team... But in reality, yeah, you're right, unless you're a known player "testing the free agency market", it's a bit pointless to be unknown and be drafted, 'cause it's almost impossible for captains to know what exactly they drafted until they do. There are players like myself who are not sure whether or not our team is reforming, I'm sure that would have been the case for many others if TAKK hadn't gone headhunting and stacked the team sky high xD That team be SCARY. In TAKK's defense, they weren't the ones hunting, me and LMaster were ;D Maybe next TeamLeague, everyone can literally start fresh and 8 designated captains can choose from the 50-60+ players we have and actually draft out teams, with the intent of making each team equally distributed amongst races. Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:44 Sentenal wrote:On February 18 2013 00:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Would you guys possibly want an All-Star League after DRTL is over? And if so, would you guys want the ASL to be based off of consensus vote or the performances of the players during DRTL, or even both? I dunno about a LEAGUE for it, but maybe like a 1 week thing would be okay. Ahh, okay, so maybe like a simple Race Wars type of thing where Protoss, Zerg, and Terran are all in their own teams and we see who is the most dominant race?
This was proposed a few seasons ago, and many regular players said that their team was the reason they played; they were existing or newly-made friends that would simply not play if put in a different team. I do think that team synergy is important for a successful league, and totally re-rolled teams would lack that. I think a better solution might've been to not allow any new recruits for teams (as in, only allow people who were part of the team last season/in DRATL to be on the same team from get-go), and make every person who was teamless a FA, but it's too late for that.
EDIT: I really like the Race-Wars format, but that would be 3 separate series... I think it would be easier to just choose 10 players, have 2 teams of 5, and play 5 1v1s between the two teams (regardless of results). To make it more interesting, the 10 players could provide their MUs in order of dominance (like, for me, my PvT > PvP > PvZ) and then match players with their favorite MUs alligned (or as close as possible). Example:
Player 1: PvT PvP PvZ
Player 2: TvZ TvP TvT
Player 3: TvP TvT TvZ
Player 4: ZvT ZvP ZvZ
Playrt 1 vs Player 3, Player 2 vs Player 4.
That one worked out neatly, but obviously some people would play MUs that are only their second-favorite. Idk, I feel like that would bring the best possible games from DR ^^
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On February 18 2013 06:44 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Would you guys possibly want an All-Star League after DRTL is over? And if so, would you guys want the ASL to be based off of consensus vote or the performances of the players during DRTL, or even both? I dunno about a LEAGUE for it, but maybe like a 1 week thing would be okay.
agreed 
some awesome, but shorter tournament with best players would be supercool
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On February 18 2013 06:50 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:45 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 18 2013 06:08 Jealous wrote:On February 18 2013 05:45 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 18 2013 04:13 Spazer wrote:
Personally, I feel that there's no point to having a draft in a league like this. A lot of the people who sign up are in these threads are relative unknowns, so it's not like any of the captains have scouting information or anything like that - the only thing you have to go off of is their iccup rank, an iffy indicator at best. I suppose you could attempt to look for reps they've uploaded, but still, considering it's a d ranks league, the usefulness of doing that is a bit questionable.
The only benefit I can see for a draft is to attempt to balance out race distribution on a team. But really, the same thing could be achieved by having the league organizer simply assign free agents to teams that need them. I think it's more for the experience and the thrill of possibly getting drafted by a team... But in reality, yeah, you're right, unless you're a known player "testing the free agency market", it's a bit pointless to be unknown and be drafted, 'cause it's almost impossible for captains to know what exactly they drafted until they do. There are players like myself who are not sure whether or not our team is reforming, I'm sure that would have been the case for many others if TAKK hadn't gone headhunting and stacked the team sky high xD That team be SCARY. In TAKK's defense, they weren't the ones hunting, me and LMaster were ;D Maybe next TeamLeague, everyone can literally start fresh and 8 designated captains can choose from the 50-60+ players we have and actually draft out teams, with the intent of making each team equally distributed amongst races. On February 18 2013 06:44 Sentenal wrote:On February 18 2013 00:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Would you guys possibly want an All-Star League after DRTL is over? And if so, would you guys want the ASL to be based off of consensus vote or the performances of the players during DRTL, or even both? I dunno about a LEAGUE for it, but maybe like a 1 week thing would be okay. Ahh, okay, so maybe like a simple Race Wars type of thing where Protoss, Zerg, and Terran are all in their own teams and we see who is the most dominant race? This was proposed a few seasons ago, and many regular players said that their team was the reason they played; they were existing or newly-made friends that would simply not play if put in a different team. I do think that team synergy is important for a successful league, and totally re-rolled teams would lack that. I think a better solution might've been to not allow any new recruits for teams (as in, only allow people who were part of the team last season/in DRATL to be on the same team from get-go), and make every person who was teamless a FA, but it's too late for that. EDIT: I really like the Race-Wars format, but that would be 3 separate series... I think it would be easier to just choose 10 players, have 2 teams of 5, and play 5 1v1s between the two teams (regardless of results). To make it more interesting, the 10 players could provide their MUs in order of dominance (like, for me, my PvT > PvP > PvZ) and then match players with their favorite MUs alligned (or as close as possible). Example: Player 1: PvT PvP PvZ Player 2: TvZ TvP TvT Player 3: TvP TvT TvZ Player 4: ZvT ZvP ZvZ Playrt 1 vs Player 3, Player 2 vs Player 4. That one worked out neatly, but obviously some people would play MUs that are only their second-favorite. Idk, I feel like that would bring the best possible games from DR ^^
For the Race Wars, I dunno about the whole "match-up in favor of their strongest matchup". D-ranks, especially, have the tendency to be strongest in the matchup that is naturally favorable for them, as Terrans strongest matchup will probably be TvZ, PvT for Protoss, and ZvP for Zergs. At the same time, players like  Hyeon, who would probably be voted as one of the strongest players, avoid that matchup in playing PvP instead of TvP.
Nonetheless, I'm hoping I could organize a 3-week All-Star series or so after DRTL... Or LMaster would be organizing, but I'm still hoping for one regardless.
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Canada4481 Posts
An allstar thing would probably just be something like, top 10 or top 14 players, 2 captains, and the captains draft their team of 5/7 and play in 1 bo5/7. And that would be the all star game.
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Who counts as an "all-star"?
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Canada4481 Posts
Maybe nominations/votes. Aside from maybe a few, I think the players all have a general idea who would qualify as an "all star".
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Such as Nagisama, to name an example...
Probably the top 5/3 performances in DRTL 4, and then the others will be filled out with votes. We'll probably be going with the direction Nagisama said, which is basically the original All-Star format, with 10-14 players divided up into 2 teams, playing a Bo5 or Bo7. Hopefully, we can also distribute out the players evenly so that a race has no more than 3/5 players each...
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