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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 02 2013 22:01 GMT
#501
On March 03 2013 05:44 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 03:18 fabiano wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:27 chrisolo wrote:
I think this poll needs to be on this site too:
Poll: Allow 1 C Rank Match in DRTL?

No (37)
 
70%

Yes (14)
 
26%

2 C Rank Matches (1)
 
2%

Yes, but D Rank Ace (1)
 
2%

53 total votes

Your vote: Allow 1 C Rank Match in DRTL?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): 2 C Rank Matches
(Vote): Yes, but D Rank Ace




I believe that having 1 C player per team is cool if all the teams can get their entire lineup to show up every round, but I'm afraid that by having C players the results of a team become way too dependent on whether the C dude shows up or not.

On the other hand, by having a C player the team manager can actually devise sniping strategies, predicting where the opposing C player will be sent on, but EVERY team should have a C player, otherwise it would just imbalance the league.

It is really complicated :/

THIS


Bold isn't a concern, because if the C player failed to show up, he would be replaced with a D rank player and/or match would be rescheduled. That was the inflexibility I was talking about when referring to Eywa and running the E-A league. If a player of one rank didn't show up you became significantly more screwed.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 02 2013 22:03 GMT
#502
On March 03 2013 07:01 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:44 thezanursic wrote:
On March 03 2013 03:18 fabiano wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:27 chrisolo wrote:
I think this poll needs to be on this site too:
Poll: Allow 1 C Rank Match in DRTL?

No (37)
 
70%

Yes (14)
 
26%

2 C Rank Matches (1)
 
2%

Yes, but D Rank Ace (1)
 
2%

53 total votes

Your vote: Allow 1 C Rank Match in DRTL?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): 2 C Rank Matches
(Vote): Yes, but D Rank Ace




I believe that having 1 C player per team is cool if all the teams can get their entire lineup to show up every round, but I'm afraid that by having C players the results of a team become way too dependent on whether the C dude shows up or not.

On the other hand, by having a C player the team manager can actually devise sniping strategies, predicting where the opposing C player will be sent on, but EVERY team should have a C player, otherwise it would just imbalance the league.

It is really complicated :/

THIS


Bold isn't a concern, because if the C player failed to show up, he would be replaced with a D rank player and/or match would be rescheduled. That was the inflexibility I was talking about when referring to Eywa and running the E-A league. If a player of one rank didn't show up you became significantly more screwed.

So you'd replace a C rank player with a D one? lol

so you give them a free win just because your player doesnt show up. good plan.

If theres a C ranks league in the works then im sure they can wait for it. Cause this is ridiculous.
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SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
March 02 2013 22:08 GMT
#503
So if the C-rank game did happen, how would it work? Would one of the sets have a map reserved for the C-ranks? Or would one team decide which map C-rank plays and the other has to conform...? O.o Probably the former, eh?
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 02 2013 23:07 GMT
#504
On March 03 2013 07:03 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 07:01 L_Master wrote:
On March 03 2013 05:44 thezanursic wrote:
On March 03 2013 03:18 fabiano wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:27 chrisolo wrote:
I think this poll needs to be on this site too:
Poll: Allow 1 C Rank Match in DRTL?

No (37)
 
70%

Yes (14)
 
26%

2 C Rank Matches (1)
 
2%

Yes, but D Rank Ace (1)
 
2%

53 total votes

Your vote: Allow 1 C Rank Match in DRTL?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): 2 C Rank Matches
(Vote): Yes, but D Rank Ace




I believe that having 1 C player per team is cool if all the teams can get their entire lineup to show up every round, but I'm afraid that by having C players the results of a team become way too dependent on whether the C dude shows up or not.

On the other hand, by having a C player the team manager can actually devise sniping strategies, predicting where the opposing C player will be sent on, but EVERY team should have a C player, otherwise it would just imbalance the league.

It is really complicated :/

THIS


Bold isn't a concern, because if the C player failed to show up, he would be replaced with a D rank match and/or match would be rescheduled. That was the inflexibility I was talking about when referring to Eywa and running the E-A league. If a player of one rank didn't show up you became significantly more screwed.

So you'd replace a C rank player with a D one? lol

so you give them a free win just because your player doesnt show up. good plan.

If theres a C ranks league in the works then im sure they can wait for it. Cause this is ridiculous.


The C ranks match wouldn't happen. It would be replaced with a D ranks match. Not pairing a D ranks player up against a C rank player lol. My IQ is actually a little north of 40.

im sure they can wait for it. Cause this is ridiculous.


It's already clear at this point from the voting which option we are going for.

However, and this isn't to single you out, I wish people would have actually read and understood what why Cobalt and I made this suggestion in the first place. Even mentioning "waiting for the CRTL" tells me you didn't really read fully why I proposed the one C rank match idea. It has very little (albeit not zero) to do with tiding over C rank players until CRTL.

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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 03 2013 00:03 GMT
#505
Yeah I think a lot of you don't understand how the C ranks match would work. It'd be like this:

D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
C Rank vs C rank

If any of them don't show up and the match doesn't get postponed then the team that didn't have a player show is going to be down 1 set, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A C RANK OR NOT.
So when you say "It's dependent on the C rank showing up" no it isn't, it's dependent on the entire team showing up, same as always.

It's not hard to find a C rank or two and would mean only 6 D ranks games which helps teams which have small rosters. I can't think of any negatives beyond "It's supposed to be a D Ranks Teamleague".
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 03 2013 00:05 GMT
#506
You guys think that there's enough C rank people who are not lazy to show up for a league every week?

Pretty good joke.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
March 03 2013 00:08 GMT
#507
On March 03 2013 09:03 Birdie wrote:
Yeah I think a lot of you don't understand how the C ranks match would work. It'd be like this:

D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
C Rank vs C rank

If any of them don't show up and the match doesn't get postponed then the team that didn't have a player show is going to be down 1 set, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A C RANK OR NOT.
So when you say "It's dependent on the C rank showing up" no it isn't, it's dependent on the entire team showing up, same as always.

It's not hard to find a C rank or two and would mean only 6 D ranks games which helps teams which have small rosters. I can't think of any negatives beyond "It's supposed to be a D Ranks Teamleague".


This is my thought.

No one seems to have a rational objection, other than "it's supposed to be D Ranks Teamleague/We have always done it this way in the past."

Definitely sticking with the poll results though, even if I feel like most people aren't stopping to actually understand/consider what they are voting for.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
March 03 2013 02:02 GMT
#508
On March 03 2013 09:05 Snipinpanda wrote:
You guys think that there's enough C rank people who are not lazy to show up for a league every week?

Pretty good joke.

Yeah, some of them don't even wake up till 5PM most of the time.
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 03 2013 02:28 GMT
#509
On March 03 2013 11:02 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 09:05 Snipinpanda wrote:
You guys think that there's enough C rank people who are not lazy to show up for a league every week?

Pretty good joke.

Yeah, some of them don't even wake up till 5PM most of the time.


Seriously they're so lazy.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
March 03 2013 02:35 GMT
#510
This is cool. I still would prefer to join with my zerg if possible.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
March 03 2013 02:38 GMT
#511
On March 02 2013 21:26 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 14:30 ninazerg wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:40 Sentenal wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:39 L_Master wrote:
Okay, so as I understand it now teams are:

DeSPA - 1
Airforce Ace of Spades - 9
Phoenix - 5
Courage - 10
Stealth Bunnies - 10
TAKK - 13
NW Power - 14
SunKan - 9

This gives us 8 teams, which I am sure most agree is a nice number. I'm happy with number of players on Courage, SB, TAKK, and NW. SunKan and Ace could use an extra player or two, but they are low priority.

AA needs a team.

Phoenix needs a few.

We have 12 free agents, 8 go to AA to bring him to 9, and 4 to Phoenix also giving 9. This doesn't leave any drafting for SunKan, but I think it's more important to get other teams up to a decent roster.

Hopefully we can get another 3-4 in the next week or two.

Thoughts?

Sounds good, more or less. 9 is a decent number of players.

On March 02 2013 11:40 ninazerg wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:28 Sentenal wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:03 ninazerg wrote:

What now? Really, stick to your own stuff. If you qq about so-called C- people talking why are you talking? As far as I know you're C.


Well, I guess I should point out that I'm not playing in the DRTL, or even ever applied to play in any D-ranked league. All I'm saying is that if people want to play in a league because they love playing StarCraft, and meet the requirements, then I see no problem. There are a bunch of C- people who don't want Puppykiller because they don't want to lose, and want to bash on players like yourself instead.

Like who? If you are going to talk shit, be transparent about it.


If you're going to say I'm talking shit, you need to be transparent about what shit is being spoken of.

Do I really have to spell it out for you? I guess understanding context is pretty hard. Okay. You keep saying that people don't want Puppykiller in the league, because they are afraid of him, and just want to bash on low level D- players. Who are you talking about? You are trying to talk shit to said players, but are too afraid to name them.


If you're going make these assertions, you're going to have to be more transparent about what you mean by "Puppykiller".


Are you perhaps thinking that bigsandwich is not puppykiller? o_O

Those two are the same.


If you're going to talk smack, you should be more transparent about what you mean by "you".
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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
March 03 2013 02:47 GMT
#512
Well if the matches were set up like
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
C Rank vs C rank
The teams would need more than 1 C rank player, cuz if one team's C player shows up, and another team has a really spotty C player, than thats free points to the other team...
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 03 2013 03:29 GMT
#513
On March 03 2013 11:38 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 21:26 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 02 2013 14:30 ninazerg wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:40 Sentenal wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:39 L_Master wrote:
Okay, so as I understand it now teams are:

DeSPA - 1
Airforce Ace of Spades - 9
Phoenix - 5
Courage - 10
Stealth Bunnies - 10
TAKK - 13
NW Power - 14
SunKan - 9

This gives us 8 teams, which I am sure most agree is a nice number. I'm happy with number of players on Courage, SB, TAKK, and NW. SunKan and Ace could use an extra player or two, but they are low priority.

AA needs a team.

Phoenix needs a few.

We have 12 free agents, 8 go to AA to bring him to 9, and 4 to Phoenix also giving 9. This doesn't leave any drafting for SunKan, but I think it's more important to get other teams up to a decent roster.

Hopefully we can get another 3-4 in the next week or two.

Thoughts?

Sounds good, more or less. 9 is a decent number of players.

On March 02 2013 11:40 ninazerg wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:28 Sentenal wrote:
On March 02 2013 11:03 ninazerg wrote:

What now? Really, stick to your own stuff. If you qq about so-called C- people talking why are you talking? As far as I know you're C.


Well, I guess I should point out that I'm not playing in the DRTL, or even ever applied to play in any D-ranked league. All I'm saying is that if people want to play in a league because they love playing StarCraft, and meet the requirements, then I see no problem. There are a bunch of C- people who don't want Puppykiller because they don't want to lose, and want to bash on players like yourself instead.

Like who? If you are going to talk shit, be transparent about it.


If you're going to say I'm talking shit, you need to be transparent about what shit is being spoken of.

Do I really have to spell it out for you? I guess understanding context is pretty hard. Okay. You keep saying that people don't want Puppykiller in the league, because they are afraid of him, and just want to bash on low level D- players. Who are you talking about? You are trying to talk shit to said players, but are too afraid to name them.


If you're going make these assertions, you're going to have to be more transparent about what you mean by "Puppykiller".


Are you perhaps thinking that bigsandwich is not puppykiller? o_O

Those two are the same.


If you're going to talk smack, you should be more transparent about what you mean by "you".


I'm not talking smack?
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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
March 03 2013 03:29 GMT
#514
On March 03 2013 06:06 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 08:17 Jealous wrote:

[image loading]

Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change):

, vpebble444
sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary )
Mellial // thezanursic
sGs.Gorg // George_the_man
xkcd[win] // amazingxkcd
NewJetCity
, v KingGeedorah
ImAtTheBeach

Changed name for xkcd


Soooo, is it reasonable to say this is incorrect because I'm not on here?
Master Chief
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
March 03 2013 03:30 GMT
#515
On March 03 2013 12:29 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 06:06 Jealous wrote:
On March 02 2013 08:17 Jealous wrote:

[image loading]

Sun KHAN's official roster (and name change):

, vpebble444
sGs.BaBo // Jealous (temporary )
Mellial // thezanursic
sGs.Gorg // George_the_man
xkcd[win] // amazingxkcd
NewJetCity
, v KingGeedorah
ImAtTheBeach

Changed name for xkcd


Soooo, is it reasonable to say this is incorrect because I'm not on here?

idk, but you 2 need to make up your minds...
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10260 Posts
March 03 2013 03:35 GMT
#516
I haven't heard any confirmation from anyone, I just added the people I knew for sure were on the team, either from pebble's post, messages on skype, or my own recruitment. You should ask pebble and get back to me via PM. I personally don't see any reason not to have you on the team.
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 03 2013 04:00 GMT
#517
I mean you could have more than one C rank player on a team, but one C rank match...
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 04:10:02
March 03 2013 04:05 GMT
#518
By C rank you mean C-? Because anything above would be ridiculous I think. XD
Then you really could replace the C- guy with a good D+ if he's missing. (eg. the D+ is like 2999 and has the one really strong matchup)

And maybe that could be only reserved for people that became C- while playing this, or players who were C- in ancient times. Dunno.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 03 2013 04:46 GMT
#519
On March 03 2013 11:47 traceurling wrote:
Well if the matches were set up like
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
C Rank vs C rank
The teams would need more than 1 C rank player, cuz if one team's C player shows up, and another team has a really spotty C player, than thats free points to the other team...

Lineups are presubmitted. If any player does not show up the other team gets a walkover win, regardless of which of the 7 sets it is.

Example:
Courage vs Stealth Bunnies
Birdie vs Prophecy
LCC vs Nagisama
Roy vs ZNF
Arca vs Sentenal
... vs ...
... vs ...
I'mYELLOWSB vs CRankedCourage

If Roy doesn't show up, and nagisama doesn't show up, and CRankedCourage doesn't show up, then the score before the sets start will be 2-1 in Stealth Bunnies' favour. Only if the matches have already been agreed to be postponed, or if the teams agree to postpone games on the day, will that change. This isn't like the All Kill Teamleague where lineups are given on the day. We have to submit lineups on Thursday I believe, several days before the actual match day.

Of course it's ideal to have at least two C ranks players, just as it is ideal to have at least 10 D ranks players, in case some of them are "spotty" as you put it. But the rank of the players doesn't change the effect of having a spotty player, or a no show.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 05:05:39
March 03 2013 05:04 GMT
#520
On March 03 2013 09:08 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 09:03 Birdie wrote:
Yeah I think a lot of you don't understand how the C ranks match would work. It'd be like this:

D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
D Rank vs D rank
C Rank vs C rank

If any of them don't show up and the match doesn't get postponed then the team that didn't have a player show is going to be down 1 set, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A C RANK OR NOT.
So when you say "It's dependent on the C rank showing up" no it isn't, it's dependent on the entire team showing up, same as always.

It's not hard to find a C rank or two and would mean only 6 D ranks games which helps teams which have small rosters. I can't think of any negatives beyond "It's supposed to be a D Ranks Teamleague".


This is my thought.

No one seems to have a rational objection, other than "it's supposed to be D Ranks Teamleague/We have always done it this way in the past."

Definitely sticking with the poll results though, even if I feel like most people aren't stopping to actually understand/consider what they are voting for.

I'm more or less neutral on that particular issue, but I can point out some "difficulties" with it to say the least. One is we would have to recruit enough C Rank Players to stick into every team, and also try and "balance" this somehow. In my experience at least, there is a huge difference between C+ and C-. Another is this is sorta last minute, which compounds point 1. Another difficulty, having 6 matches for D-Ranks means that teams need to be even bigger than before in order to have enough people every week to fill a roster. Like, if we assume 7 or 8 is the minimum for 5 sets to be viable, then for 6 sets that would require 8 or 9 people on the team. Which is a problem for the smaller teams, although maybe at this point we might not have to worry about that...? Not sure what the situation is on that front. Additionally on this, for the D-Rank matches, we assume the team size needs to be larger than the Set-size, in order to have available replacements every week. If its just 1 C Rank player on each team, with no replacement, then that seems like it would open the door for a lot of walkovers.
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