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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
May 10 2013 21:23 GMT
#2001
I can see a good argument for Bo7 playoffs but not WL -_-;
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
May 10 2013 23:55 GMT
#2002
On May 11 2013 05:03 rauk wrote:
have playoffs be tictactoe


More like Go. I even have a python program made to play it :D
darkness overpowering
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 11 2013 00:26 GMT
#2003
Best out of seven with an ace match sounds scrumptious.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 11 2013 00:44 GMT
#2004
On May 11 2013 05:01 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 04:30 KaiGreene wrote:
BTW guys, shall we make the playoffs Winner's league style? Or like only 1 round WL style? To spice it up a little

Have playoffs be sc2.


Wings of Liberty please.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
May 11 2013 01:00 GMT
#2005
On May 11 2013 09:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:01 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:30 KaiGreene wrote:
BTW guys, shall we make the playoffs Winner's league style? Or like only 1 round WL style? To spice it up a little

Have playoffs be sc2.


Wings of Liberty please.


Can we just switch to the original Red Alert?
darkness overpowering
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 11 2013 01:18 GMT
#2006
On May 11 2013 10:00 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 09:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On May 11 2013 05:01 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:30 KaiGreene wrote:
BTW guys, shall we make the playoffs Winner's league style? Or like only 1 round WL style? To spice it up a little

Have playoffs be sc2.


Wings of Liberty please.


Can we just switch to the original Red Alert?


Or Warcraft 2. BW is noobified.

/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
May 11 2013 01:57 GMT
#2007
On a more serious note, so yes to a Bo7 for DRTL finals?
twitch.tv/dizzywee
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 02:16:38
May 11 2013 01:59 GMT
#2008
On May 11 2013 10:57 SynC[gm] wrote:
On a more serious note, so yes to a Bo7 for DRTL finals?

As always, up to administration, but I personally want Bo7, even if it statistically might not favor my team - I want to get as many games in for our players as possible ^^; This is also why I voted no ace match.

Poll: Bo7 or Bo5

Bo5 (20)
 
63%

Bo7 (12)
 
38%

32 total votes

Your vote: Bo7 or Bo5

(Vote): Bo7
(Vote): Bo5



Poll: If Bo7, Ace or No?

Ace (20)
 
77%

No (4)
 
15%

Don't care (2)
 
8%

26 total votes

Your vote: If Bo7, Ace or No?

(Vote): Ace
(Vote): No
(Vote): Don't care



"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
May 11 2013 02:07 GMT
#2009
If the polls lead up to a Bo7 WITH Ace match, wouldn't be a better reason to live-cast the finals, playing each game one-by-one instead of all at once to give it a Proleague type of atmosphere?
twitch.tv/dizzywee
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
May 11 2013 02:13 GMT
#2010
On May 11 2013 11:07 SynC[gm] wrote:
If the polls lead up to a Bo7 WITH Ace match, wouldn't be a better reason to live-cast the finals, playing each game one-by-one instead of all at once to give it a Proleague type of atmosphere?

With all the scheduling conflicts people will invariably have, I don't think this is viable. Whole cast would be ruined with 1 no-show/PP unless they do their game BEFORE match time.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 11 2013 02:16 GMT
#2011
On May 11 2013 11:07 SynC[gm] wrote:
If the polls lead up to a Bo7 WITH Ace match, wouldn't be a better reason to live-cast the finals, playing each game one-by-one instead of all at once to give it a Proleague type of atmosphere?

Live casting just creates tons of logistic problems. Just look at what happened with DRIT finals, that was stupid. Being Bo7 with ace would only compound such issues.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
May 11 2013 02:17 GMT
#2012
Poll: Play playoffs with:

Chess (8)
 
40%

BW (4)
 
20%

go (2)
 
10%

Warcraft in space Original Alpha version (2)
 
10%

Red Alert (2)
 
10%

Poker (1)
 
5%

connect4 (1)
 
5%

20 total votes

Your vote: Play playoffs with:

(Vote): Chess
(Vote): Poker
(Vote): go
(Vote): connect4
(Vote): Warcraft in space Original Alpha version
(Vote): BW
(Vote): Red Alert



Choose your pic
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SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
May 11 2013 02:25 GMT
#2013
On May 11 2013 11:16 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 11:07 SynC[gm] wrote:
If the polls lead up to a Bo7 WITH Ace match, wouldn't be a better reason to live-cast the finals, playing each game one-by-one instead of all at once to give it a Proleague type of atmosphere?

Live casting just creates tons of logistic problems. Just look at what happened with DRIT finals, that was stupid. Being Bo7 with ace would only compound such issues.


Well, I feel like the DRATL live-casted finals went well, and the DRIT 5 finals was going well too until Echo had a slight misunderstanding...

Other than the slight misunderstanding that lasted for about an hour, I didn't see a problem in the last two live-casted events for D-rank finals...
twitch.tv/dizzywee
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
May 11 2013 02:28 GMT
#2014
On May 11 2013 08:55 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:03 rauk wrote:
have playoffs be tictactoe


More like Go. I even have a python program made to play it :D


On KGS? AyaBot?
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 11 2013 02:29 GMT
#2015
What is wrong with doing it off replays? I don't see any negatives to casting replays, while problems introduced by livecasting include scheduling, in-game lag, "misunderstandings" with around 14 people+casters, ghosting, etc. There is just no point in it.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
May 11 2013 02:37 GMT
#2016
On May 11 2013 11:29 Sentenal wrote:
What is wrong with doing it off replays? I don't see any negatives to casting replays, while problems introduced by livecasting include scheduling, in-game lag, "misunderstandings" with around 14 people+casters, ghosting, etc. There is just no point in it.


Well, I'm not saying live-casting is a must, but if it's possible, why not? Also, at least if it's possible for live-casting, those not involved in the playoffs can know how all the games went and the results right away, instead of having to wait for someone to reveal who won/lost.

If none of the casters don't wanna do it, that's fine, I'm just saying it's a recommendation. Plus, the players would feel a sense of pride in that people are watching their game right then/there as if there's something major on the line.

I don't mean to sound rude, but I feel like once the season enters the playoff, it'd be best if teams didn't field players that needed to reschedule. Again, don't wanna seem rude, but if you can't play on gameday, I feel like there'd be no point in actually having a specific date for games to be played, especially in the playoffs. If there's lag, unless it's the special circumstance with getting lag with more than 2 players in a game, players would have to play in lag regardless it's being live-casted or not... Dunno what ghosting is, but I'm gonna assume it's something along the lines of bothering players/casters while watching...?
twitch.tv/dizzywee
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 02:40:52
May 11 2013 02:40 GMT
#2017
Yeah it would be pretty lame to have to wait for pp results for like a week and a half when were in the semis, plus Uni scheduling issues should be over by then...
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 03:12:24
May 11 2013 02:41 GMT
#2018
Having played both casted, live, and non-live matches, I agree with Sentenal and really don't think there is a point to it. All it would be is an inconvenience to teams and players alike. In fact, I much prefer playing the games, then watching the casters cast off replay with other viewers instead of watching the VODs or replays from my team.

Ghosting is watching the stream while playing, effectively cheating, iirc.

On May 11 2013 11:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Yeah it would be pretty lame to have to wait for pp results for like a week and a half when were in the semis, plus Uni scheduling issues should be over by then...


Some of us have jobs. Some of us might be matched with players from a very different time zone. I personally get off work at 1 pm and sometimes don't get home until 1:45, 15 mins before match time. I'd like more warm-up time for the finals so I have a greater chance of not losing games due to dumb shit.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 11 2013 02:45 GMT
#2019
Ghosting would be having the stream on a different monitor/in the background to cheat. Unless there is a significant delay in the cast (which hasn't been the case in the past), it is easy to do and impossible to prevent. We can all say that everyone in here is honorable and wouldn't do that, but I wouldn't want to even risk it. Multiple people in a game, one of which is also streaming it, has an increased chance of casuing lag, which should be unacceptable for the event. And seeing as it is the playoffs, we should try and get as many games played as possible, and not everyone who can play is always available at game time. TAKK is huge so I doubt you would have that problem, but not all other teams are as fortunate.

Anyway, I simply don't see the point in live-casting with all these potential problems, when the only payoff is some sense of pride it maybe creates?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
May 11 2013 03:32 GMT
#2020
Playoffs should be using Cat N Mouse
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
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