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On August 04 2012 22:22 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 04 2012 22:11 atrox_ wrote: my only regrets are the nights when I thought "I'll just watch the vod" LOL fucking school man, forcing me to watch vods over the live thing. Yeah, because bw is more important than school... It is yo. Just look at these progamers. They're not suffering college students. They're players of the game(not anymore though) they want to play for the rest of their lives. I'm jelly.
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BW is like a piano or a violin. For the most people who've never heard of it, it's just a game made a long time ago. If amateurs were try to play with it for the first time, the result would be the same as a child playing on a piano for the first time. Mashing buttons left and right while making not so beautiful tunes. I'm sure many of you experienced it. Either while playing at LANs with your friends, or your first few games after buying it from a store. You, I and everyone were noobs, and frankly, Bw isn't beautiful at this level, it's ugly. It's fun for a while, but that's it. Just like when someone plays on a piano for the first time ever. It's fun to mash buttons, but it gets boring quickly.
Someone somewhere didn't accept this and recognized the piano's potential. That's why we have world class pianists playing godly melodies today. The learning curve is steep as hell, and there aren't many youngsters willing to sacrifice this much for very little gain. But they are there, young and old. Many people are trying to learn how to play on the piano, because they've heard that it can be beautiful if played right. They devote time in it, with absolutely no hope for any financial gain. They're doing it, because they love it.
Now what happens if I replace piano with BW in the previous paragraph? I think it would be similar how a BW fan would describe BW to a total newcomer. Fortunate for the piano, it's much easier to hear than to see. People are often fascinated when hearing a beautiful tune, despite not knowing much about music itself. This is sadly, not the case with Starcraft. Well, not entirely. You need to learn to see, in order to appreciate BW (and any form of visual art, like paintings, theater play and such). Not many people are willing to do that. But you guys who're reading this were probably done this. You are able to see how beautiful BW is when played right. And the fact, that many people in Korea in their 40's and 50's were also able to do this means something.
Today is a sad day. I think back then the samurais in Japan felt the same when the government banned carrying and walking around with katanas in Japan. Bigger, better weapons came, and the katana had to go. They devoted their whole life to master the sword and it meant nothing from that point. But hey, that didn't stop people from owning katanas and being a samurai at their home or at the dojos. I think the same thing is happening with BW. It was never meant to be big, but dedicated people made it somewhat big. Sadly, for people who matter, it's not big enough or it's in the way. So it's need to go from the mainstream. But hey, samurais did not die out for hundreds of years, why should progamers die out? Sure, they won't be as refined as they were, but I'm sure there will be people in 10 years from now on who'll be on A/B level. Because they love this game. And with this, BW won't die out as long as people play with it.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:22 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 04 2012 22:11 atrox_ wrote: my only regrets are the nights when I thought "I'll just watch the vod" LOL fucking school man, forcing me to watch vods over the live thing. Yeah, because bw is more important than school... :p
of course not, but I wasn't convinced of that when I still went to school.
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Can't stop thinking about Boxer and YellOw standing in the epic stage effects....that was so much nostalgia..I have to say that was the best way they could have started off the finals.
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On August 04 2012 22:24 chambertin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:22 Aeceus wrote: Gotta be honest guys, that was a terrible finals. Crowd was great though. Fuck this...
Really? Not sure why I didn't think too much of it. Enjoyed game 2 though.
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On August 04 2012 22:26 honed wrote:no, he got rolled surprisingly Unsurprisingly.Yellow was a pro much more recently and Boxer played SC2.
On topic, BW. </3 farewell.
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Canada5155 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:27 valaki wrote: BW is like a piano or a violin. For the most people who've never heard of it, it's just a game made a long time ago. If amateurs were try to play with it for the first time, the result would be the same as a child playing on a piano for the first time. Mashing buttons left and right while making not so beautiful tunes. I'm sure many of you experienced it. Either while playing at LANs with your friends, or your first few games after buying it from a store. You, I and everyone were noobs, and frankly, Bw isn't beautiful at this level, it's ugly. It's fun for a while, but that's it. Just like when someone plays on a piano for the first time ever. It's fun to mash buttons, but it gets boring quickly.
Someone somewhere didn't accept this and recognized the piano's potential. That's why we have world class pianists playing godly melodies today. The learning curve is steep as hell, and there aren't many youngsters willing to sacrifice this much for very little gain. But they are there, young and old. Many people are trying to learn how to play on the piano, because they've heard that it can be beautiful if played right. They devote time in it, with absolutely no hope for any financial gain. They're doing it, because they love it.
Now what happens if I replace piano with BW in the previous paragraph? I think it would be similar how a BW fan would describe BW to a total newcomer. Fortunate for the piano, it's much easier to hear than to see. People are often fascinated when hearing a beautiful tune, despite not knowing much about music itself. This is sadly, not the case with Starcraft. Well, not entirely. You need to learn to see, in order to appreciate BW (and any form of visual art, like paintings, theater play and such). Not many people are willing to do that. But you guys who're reading this were probably done this. You are able to see how beautiful BW is when played right. And the fact, that many people in Korea in their 40's and 50's were also able to do this means something.
Today is a sad day. I think back then the samurais in Japan felt the same when the government banned carrying and walking around with katanas in Japan. Bigger, better weapons came, and the katana had to go. They devoted their whole life to master the sword and it meant nothing from that point. But hey, that didn't stop people from owning katanas and being a samurai at their home or at the dojos. I think the same thing is happening with BW. It was never meant to be big, but dedicated people made it somewhat big. Sadly, for people who matter, it's not big enough or it's in the way. So it's need to go from the mainstream. But hey, samurais did not die out for hundreds of years, why should progamers die out? Sure, they won't be as refined as they were, but I'm sure there will be people in 10 years from now on who'll be on A/B level. Because they love this game. And with this, BW won't die out as long as people play with it.
Now this is an LR thread post
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Norway1325 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:21 DreXxiN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:19 tanngard wrote: Today i have screamed in excitement, laughed, cried and i dont know how many times my heart have stopped, but its all because of the most beatiful game in the world.
The last 4 years has been an amazing journey of watching, playing and LOVING the crap out of everything brood war. And i have so much to thank TL for. Take a look at the features bar. Power Rank, Liquipedia and the Final Edits by the amazing TL writers. These guys have put out articles of such quality, it surpasses any other sportsjournalism i have read thus far. And it was all done in charity! Think about that.
Thank you Dr. Helvetica, riptide, Plexa, HonestTea, Hot_Bid, Ver (im still waiting on part 2 god of the battlefield, part 1 is possibly the best article in history) and everyone else for contributing into making BW my biggest love in sports alltogether
I hope people will still continue to play on iccup, im sure i will for many years to come. BW is a passion, not a fad.Trends and fads die out.
BW lasts for ever.
Well spoken, man. Not nearly as popular as Team Liquid these days, but I was once a writer for Gosugamers (Starcraftgamers at the time) and will never regret what I contributed there as strictly charitable content as no matter how much work I could have put into the scene it will never be as much as I've received from Brood War.
Respect to you!
Also i have to thank gosugamers aswell. It was gosugamers that got me into competitive foreign brood war, before i started watching korean broodwar. They had really great coverage of what was going in amateur leagues. I used to be quite active on gosugamers. Thanks gosugamers!
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Everything after this in e-sports is going to seem so dull and boring and far less passionate...I'm glad we could grab the epicness of my childhood one last time..
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On August 04 2012 22:29 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:26 honed wrote:On August 04 2012 22:25 CruelZeratul wrote: Did Boxer win against Yellow? no, he got rolled surprisingly Unsurprisingly.Yellow was a pro much more recently and Boxer played SC2. On topic, BW. </3 farewell. And he is injured, and he didn't train at all because of it, and yellow seemed to be trying really really hard.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:27 valaki wrote: BW is like a piano or a violin. For the most people who've never heard of it, it's just a game made a long time ago. If amateurs were try to play with it for the first time, the result would be the same as a child playing on a piano for the first time. Mashing buttons left and right while making not so beautiful tunes. I'm sure many of you experienced it. Either while playing at LANs with your friends, or your first few games after buying it from a store. You, I and everyone were noobs, and frankly, Bw isn't beautiful at this level, it's ugly. It's fun for a while, but that's it. Just like when someone plays on a piano for the first time ever. It's fun to mash buttons, but it gets boring quickly.
Someone somewhere didn't accept this and recognized the piano's potential. That's why we have world class pianists playing godly melodies today. The learning curve is steep as hell, and there aren't many youngsters willing to sacrifice this much for very little gain. But they are there, young and old. Many people are trying to learn how to play on the piano, because they've heard that it can be beautiful if played right. They devote time in it, with absolutely no hope for any financial gain. They're doing it, because they love it.
Now what happens if I replace piano with BW in the previous paragraph? I think it would be similar how a BW fan would describe BW to a total newcomer. Fortunate for the piano, it's much easier to hear than to see. People are often fascinated when hearing a beautiful tune, despite not knowing much about music itself. This is sadly, not the case with Starcraft. Well, not entirely. You need to learn to see, in order to appreciate BW (and any form of visual art, like paintings, theater play and such). Not many people are willing to do that. But you guys who're reading this were probably done this. You are able to see how beautiful BW is when played right. And the fact, that many people in Korea in their 40's and 50's were also able to do this means something.
Today is a sad day. I think back then the samurais in Japan felt the same when the government banned carrying and walking around with katanas in Japan. Bigger, better weapons came, and the katana had to go. They devoted their whole life to master the sword and it meant nothing from that point. But hey, that didn't stop people from owning katanas and being a samurai at their home or at the dojos. I think the same thing is happening with BW. It was never meant to be big, but dedicated people made it somewhat big. Sadly, for people who matter, it's not big enough or it's in the way. So it's need to go from the mainstream. But hey, samurais did not die out for hundreds of years, why should progamers die out? Sure, they won't be as refined as they were, but I'm sure there will be people in 10 years from now on who'll be on A/B level. Because they love this game. And with this, BW won't die out as long as people play with it.
wow well writtern, respect to you.
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I've been lurking on here since Grrrr... and Boxer, and I just wanted to say thanks to all the LR's for when i couldn't watch the Vods and to all the articles and fanboys of all the teams.
You helped make this special.
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You could be happyyyyyy.......but you weren't happy the day I watched you goooo......... and all the things I wish... I had not said.
Is it too late to remind you... how we were. But not our last days of silence, screaminggggg, blur. I should have stopped you from walking out the dooooooorrrrrrrrr. 
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yay! broodwar will be my great memory <3
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A worthy final, a worthy champion. So long, broodwar.
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On August 04 2012 22:30 HawaiianPig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:27 valaki wrote: BW is like a piano or a violin. For the most people who've never heard of it, it's just a game made a long time ago. If amateurs were try to play with it for the first time, the result would be the same as a child playing on a piano for the first time. Mashing buttons left and right while making not so beautiful tunes. I'm sure many of you experienced it. Either while playing at LANs with your friends, or your first few games after buying it from a store. You, I and everyone were noobs, and frankly, Bw isn't beautiful at this level, it's ugly. It's fun for a while, but that's it. Just like when someone plays on a piano for the first time ever. It's fun to mash buttons, but it gets boring quickly.
Someone somewhere didn't accept this and recognized the piano's potential. That's why we have world class pianists playing godly melodies today. The learning curve is steep as hell, and there aren't many youngsters willing to sacrifice this much for very little gain. But they are there, young and old. Many people are trying to learn how to play on the piano, because they've heard that it can be beautiful if played right. They devote time in it, with absolutely no hope for any financial gain. They're doing it, because they love it.
Now what happens if I replace piano with BW in the previous paragraph? I think it would be similar how a BW fan would describe BW to a total newcomer. Fortunate for the piano, it's much easier to hear than to see. People are often fascinated when hearing a beautiful tune, despite not knowing much about music itself. This is sadly, not the case with Starcraft. Well, not entirely. You need to learn to see, in order to appreciate BW (and any form of visual art, like paintings, theater play and such). Not many people are willing to do that. But you guys who're reading this were probably done this. You are able to see how beautiful BW is when played right. And the fact, that many people in Korea in their 40's and 50's were also able to do this means something.
Today is a sad day. I think back then the samurais in Japan felt the same when the government banned carrying and walking around with katanas in Japan. Bigger, better weapons came, and the katana had to go. They devoted their whole life to master the sword and it meant nothing from that point. But hey, that didn't stop people from owning katanas and being a samurai at their home or at the dojos. I think the same thing is happening with BW. It was never meant to be big, but dedicated people made it somewhat big. Sadly, for people who matter, it's not big enough or it's in the way. So it's need to go from the mainstream. But hey, samurais did not die out for hundreds of years, why should progamers die out? Sure, they won't be as refined as they were, but I'm sure there will be people in 10 years from now on who'll be on A/B level. Because they love this game. And with this, BW won't die out as long as people play with it.
Now this is an LR thread post A fucking beauty, to say the least.
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Norway1325 Posts
On August 04 2012 22:35 neocronx wrote: I've been lurking on here since Grrrr... and Boxer, and I just wanted to say thanks to all the LR's for when i couldn't watch the Vods and to all the articles and fanboys of all the teams.
You helped make this special.
Man i wish had been around since the first generation like you have.
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On August 04 2012 22:27 valaki wrote: BW is like a piano or a violin. For the most people who've never heard of it, it's just a game made a long time ago. If amateurs were try to play with it for the first time, the result would be the same as a child playing on a piano for the first time. Mashing buttons left and right while making not so beautiful tunes. I'm sure many of you experienced it. Either while playing at LANs with your friends, or your first few games after buying it from a store. You, I and everyone were noobs, and frankly, Bw isn't beautiful at this level, it's ugly. It's fun for a while, but that's it. Just like when someone plays on a piano for the first time ever. It's fun to mash buttons, but it gets boring quickly.
Someone somewhere didn't accept this and recognized the piano's potential. That's why we have world class pianists playing godly melodies today. The learning curve is steep as hell, and there aren't many youngsters willing to sacrifice this much for very little gain. But they are there, young and old. Many people are trying to learn how to play on the piano, because they've heard that it can be beautiful if played right. They devote time in it, with absolutely no hope for any financial gain. They're doing it, because they love it.
Now what happens if I replace piano with BW in the previous paragraph? I think it would be similar how a BW fan would describe BW to a total newcomer. Fortunate for the piano, it's much easier to hear than to see. People are often fascinated when hearing a beautiful tune, despite not knowing much about music itself. This is sadly, not the case with Starcraft. Well, not entirely. You need to learn to see, in order to appreciate BW (and any form of visual art, like paintings, theater play and such). Not many people are willing to do that. But you guys who're reading this were probably done this. You are able to see how beautiful BW is when played right. And the fact, that many people in Korea in their 40's and 50's were also able to do this means something.
Today is a sad day. I think back then the samurais in Japan felt the same when the government banned carrying and walking around with katanas in Japan. Bigger, better weapons came, and the katana had to go. They devoted their whole life to master the sword and it meant nothing from that point. But hey, that didn't stop people from owning katanas and being a samurai at their home or at the dojos. I think the same thing is happening with BW. It was never meant to be big, but dedicated people made it somewhat big. Sadly, for people who matter, it's not big enough or it's in the way. So it's need to go from the mainstream. But hey, samurais did not die out for hundreds of years, why should progamers die out? Sure, they won't be as refined as they were, but I'm sure there will be people in 10 years from now on who'll be on A/B level. Because they love this game. And with this, BW won't die out as long as people play with it.
Beautifully written, well done. I fully agree with your analogies, and as a humble piano player (6 years, wheee) I can say it rings quite true.
TL BW dojo shall stand unshaken until our beloved feudal lord comes back in 2052!
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On August 04 2012 22:27 valaki wrote: BW is like a piano or a violin. For the most people who've never heard of it, it's just a game made a long time ago. If amateurs were try to play with it for the first time, the result would be the same as a child playing on a piano for the first time. Mashing buttons left and right while making not so beautiful tunes. I'm sure many of you experienced it. Either while playing at LANs with your friends, or your first few games after buying it from a store. You, I and everyone were noobs, and frankly, Bw isn't beautiful at this level, it's ugly. It's fun for a while, but that's it. Just like when someone plays on a piano for the first time ever. It's fun to mash buttons, but it gets boring quickly.
Someone somewhere didn't accept this and recognized the piano's potential. That's why we have world class pianists playing godly melodies today. The learning curve is steep as hell, and there aren't many youngsters willing to sacrifice this much for very little gain. But they are there, young and old. Many people are trying to learn how to play on the piano, because they've heard that it can be beautiful if played right. They devote time in it, with absolutely no hope for any financial gain. They're doing it, because they love it.
Now what happens if I replace piano with BW in the previous paragraph? I think it would be similar how a BW fan would describe BW to a total newcomer. Fortunate for the piano, it's much easier to hear than to see. People are often fascinated when hearing a beautiful tune, despite not knowing much about music itself. This is sadly, not the case with Starcraft. Well, not entirely. You need to learn to see, in order to appreciate BW (and any form of visual art, like paintings, theater play and such). Not many people are willing to do that. But you guys who're reading this were probably done this. You are able to see how beautiful BW is when played right. And the fact, that many people in Korea in their 40's and 50's were also able to do this means something.
Today is a sad day. I think back then the samurais in Japan felt the same when the government banned carrying and walking around with katanas in Japan. Bigger, better weapons came, and the katana had to go. They devoted their whole life to master the sword and it meant nothing from that point. But hey, that didn't stop people from owning katanas and being a samurai at their home or at the dojos. I think the same thing is happening with BW. It was never meant to be big, but dedicated people made it somewhat big. Sadly, for people who matter, it's not big enough or it's in the way. So it's need to go from the mainstream. But hey, samurais did not die out for hundreds of years, why should progamers die out? Sure, they won't be as refined as they were, but I'm sure there will be people in 10 years from now on who'll be on A/B level. Because they love this game. And with this, BW won't die out as long as people play with it.
Hats off.
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On August 04 2012 22:34 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 22:29 Jealous wrote:On August 04 2012 22:26 honed wrote:On August 04 2012 22:25 CruelZeratul wrote: Did Boxer win against Yellow? no, he got rolled surprisingly Unsurprisingly.Yellow was a pro much more recently and Boxer played SC2. On topic, BW. </3 farewell. And he is injured, and he didn't train at all because of it, and yellow seemed to be trying really really hard. he barely held any attacks, and saved up enough money to make like 30 cows at once
he was sure trying really really hard
not to take away, it was still a great game, and besides he knew it would probably be their last time playing professionally against each other so i dont doubt he wanted to win
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