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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 04:34:24
August 20 2012 04:32 GMT
#261
grats + Show Spoiler +
baku all kill, come from behind win on karate (that jade map looks hard to attack vs Z)


whats next week map order?
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2012 04:34 GMT
#262
On August 20 2012 13:32 dRaW wrote:
grats + Show Spoiler +
baku all kill, come from behind win on karate (that jade map looks hard to attack vs Z)

He would have been fine if he killed the first Defiler... Not too sure why he didn't tbh.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 04:45:56
August 20 2012 04:42 GMT
#263
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 20 2012 06:00 GMT
#264
After 2 CW for each team
Top 10 Players:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bakuryu 4-0 (LRM)
Michael 4-0 (sas)
Specter 4-0 (SiR)
Karate 4-1 (FOX)
SouthPark 4-2 (SJ)
Sziky 3-1 (sas)
WK 2-0 (CN)
Plumbum 2-1 (Reps)
Game 2-1 (LRM)
Zhanhu 2-1 (CN)


Teams:
+ Show Spoiler +
LRM +5
sas +4
CN +1
SiR 0
Reps -1
Fox -2
iFU -3
SJ -4


So far a few surprises but it's to be expected in inactive times, curious to see how the next few weeks progress.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 20 2012 07:42 GMT
#265
Thanks for posting that in the thread.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
August 20 2012 08:44 GMT
#266
Try to put Gambit's Cup 3 in calendar as a broodwar events
Mewka, Mewka[AoV], Fox.Mewka, Mewman
reps)Plumbum
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation484 Posts
August 20 2012 08:54 GMT
#267
Where are official standings?
Mewka
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1458 Posts
August 20 2012 08:57 GMT
#268
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Gambit's_Cup_3/Results/Round_1/Current_Standings
Mewka, Mewka[AoV], Fox.Mewka, Mewman
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2012 11:01 GMT
#269
On August 20 2012 17:44 Mewka wrote:
Try to put Gambit's Cup 3 in calendar as a broodwar events

I always check this setting, somehow it doesn't get translated.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 20 2012 15:45 GMT
#270


Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1077 Posts
August 20 2012 16:55 GMT
#271
On August 20 2012 13:42 Eywa- wrote:
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.


To be honest, I don't think this is very fair. Racepickers themselves do not pose a problem itself, it's only a problem when 2 racepickers face one another. Therefore it is not fair to punish 1 racepicker by allowing last minute change and also it's not very "neat" if u know what i mean.

What I propose is the method proposed by daemonarchy in the series, although it was never enforced in that game. Racepickers have to be announced beforehead and when 2 racepickers meet, the referre needs to go into the game too. If a conensus cannot be reached, each player has to whisper to the referee about what race would they play. This avoid last minute switching and I think it should be banned.
BW forever!
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2012 18:18 GMT
#272
On August 21 2012 01:55 HaFnium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 13:42 Eywa- wrote:
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.


To be honest, I don't think this is very fair. Racepickers themselves do not pose a problem itself, it's only a problem when 2 racepickers face one another. Therefore it is not fair to punish 1 racepicker by allowing last minute change and also it's not very "neat" if u know what i mean.

What I propose is the method proposed by daemonarchy in the series, although it was never enforced in that game. Racepickers have to be announced beforehead and when 2 racepickers meet, the referre needs to go into the game too. If a conensus cannot be reached, each player has to whisper to the referee about what race would they play. This avoid last minute switching and I think it should be banned.

This is not going to happen, simply put... We're not going to implement a solution that is perfect for the party which is causing the issue. Aside from that, it's already a ton of stress to run clan wars when they have issues, I don't need race picking to be another issue that comes up. This way, the referee doesn't have to get involved in the selection of races between the players when he's potentially running up to 4 clan wars at the same time.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 18:38:17
August 20 2012 18:29 GMT
#273
On August 21 2012 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 01:55 HaFnium wrote:
On August 20 2012 13:42 Eywa- wrote:
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.


To be honest, I don't think this is very fair. Racepickers themselves do not pose a problem itself, it's only a problem when 2 racepickers face one another. Therefore it is not fair to punish 1 racepicker by allowing last minute change and also it's not very "neat" if u know what i mean.

What I propose is the method proposed by daemonarchy in the series, although it was never enforced in that game. Racepickers have to be announced beforehead and when 2 racepickers meet, the referre needs to go into the game too. If a conensus cannot be reached, each player has to whisper to the referee about what race would they play. This avoid last minute switching and I think it should be banned.

This is not going to happen, simply put... We're not going to implement a solution that is perfect for the party which is causing the issue. Aside from that, it's already a ton of stress to run clan wars when they have issues, I don't need race picking to be another issue that comes up. This way, the referee doesn't have to get involved in the selection of races between the players when he's potentially running up to 4 clan wars at the same time.


I've said it before, racepickers DO NOT POSE a problem, it's a problem when BOTH of the players are racepickers. Your method punishes one player randomly, at least Daemonarchy's method provideds a fairer way of who's going to play without having lame last minute switches.


edit: I'm really curious about how the other leaders/members think about this...
BW forever!
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2012 18:39 GMT
#274
On August 21 2012 03:29 HaFnium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2012 01:55 HaFnium wrote:
On August 20 2012 13:42 Eywa- wrote:
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.


To be honest, I don't think this is very fair. Racepickers themselves do not pose a problem itself, it's only a problem when 2 racepickers face one another. Therefore it is not fair to punish 1 racepicker by allowing last minute change and also it's not very "neat" if u know what i mean.

What I propose is the method proposed by daemonarchy in the series, although it was never enforced in that game. Racepickers have to be announced beforehead and when 2 racepickers meet, the referre needs to go into the game too. If a conensus cannot be reached, each player has to whisper to the referee about what race would they play. This avoid last minute switching and I think it should be banned.

This is not going to happen, simply put... We're not going to implement a solution that is perfect for the party which is causing the issue. Aside from that, it's already a ton of stress to run clan wars when they have issues, I don't need race picking to be another issue that comes up. This way, the referee doesn't have to get involved in the selection of races between the players when he's potentially running up to 4 clan wars at the same time.


I've said it before, racepickers DO NOT POSE a problem, it's a problem when BOTH of the players are racepickers. Your method punishes one player randomly, at least Daemonarchy's method provideds a fairer way of who's going to play without having lame last minute switches.


edit: I'm really curious about how the other leaders/members think about this...

And the solution only addresses if both players are race pickers.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1077 Posts
August 20 2012 18:57 GMT
#275
On August 21 2012 03:39 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 03:29 HaFnium wrote:
On August 21 2012 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2012 01:55 HaFnium wrote:
On August 20 2012 13:42 Eywa- wrote:
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.


To be honest, I don't think this is very fair. Racepickers themselves do not pose a problem itself, it's only a problem when 2 racepickers face one another. Therefore it is not fair to punish 1 racepicker by allowing last minute change and also it's not very "neat" if u know what i mean.

What I propose is the method proposed by daemonarchy in the series, although it was never enforced in that game. Racepickers have to be announced beforehead and when 2 racepickers meet, the referre needs to go into the game too. If a conensus cannot be reached, each player has to whisper to the referee about what race would they play. This avoid last minute switching and I think it should be banned.

This is not going to happen, simply put... We're not going to implement a solution that is perfect for the party which is causing the issue. Aside from that, it's already a ton of stress to run clan wars when they have issues, I don't need race picking to be another issue that comes up. This way, the referee doesn't have to get involved in the selection of races between the players when he's potentially running up to 4 clan wars at the same time.


I've said it before, racepickers DO NOT POSE a problem, it's a problem when BOTH of the players are racepickers. Your method punishes one player randomly, at least Daemonarchy's method provideds a fairer way of who's going to play without having lame last minute switches.


edit: I'm really curious about how the other leaders/members think about this...

And the solution only addresses if both players are race pickers.


And i thought that's precisely the point since "Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. " from your your earlier post.
BW forever!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6834 Posts
August 20 2012 19:07 GMT
#276
dude just remove race pickers. i remember ret learned zvz. so.. lets remove race pickers from our professional league
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
August 20 2012 19:16 GMT
#277
On August 21 2012 04:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
dude just remove race pickers. i remember ret learned zvz. so.. lets remove race pickers from our professional league

Inb4 no people who pick Zerg. I like this league more and more every day.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2012 19:18 GMT
#278
On August 21 2012 03:57 HaFnium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 03:39 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2012 03:29 HaFnium wrote:
On August 21 2012 03:18 Eywa- wrote:
On August 21 2012 01:55 HaFnium wrote:
On August 20 2012 13:42 Eywa- wrote:
Rules Announcement


Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. Given that race pickers are causing an issue for themselves by race picking, the following ruling will be made for race picking:

Race Picking is permitted, however, by doing so, you are taking a severe risk. There is the possibility that your opponent switches races without prior notice. If this happens, you are to play out the game, players leaving a game due to a last minute race pick will be disqualified. Switching your race during the countdown is therefore permitted, however, the player doing so must ensure that their opponent is aware of the switch and what their current race is. Random players are not considered race pickers therefore, do not have to reveal their race at game start.

This ruling is primarily to discourage race picking given that it affects only themselves, no other players should feel the effects of this at all.


To be honest, I don't think this is very fair. Racepickers themselves do not pose a problem itself, it's only a problem when 2 racepickers face one another. Therefore it is not fair to punish 1 racepicker by allowing last minute change and also it's not very "neat" if u know what i mean.

What I propose is the method proposed by daemonarchy in the series, although it was never enforced in that game. Racepickers have to be announced beforehead and when 2 racepickers meet, the referre needs to go into the game too. If a conensus cannot be reached, each player has to whisper to the referee about what race would they play. This avoid last minute switching and I think it should be banned.

This is not going to happen, simply put... We're not going to implement a solution that is perfect for the party which is causing the issue. Aside from that, it's already a ton of stress to run clan wars when they have issues, I don't need race picking to be another issue that comes up. This way, the referee doesn't have to get involved in the selection of races between the players when he's potentially running up to 4 clan wars at the same time.


I've said it before, racepickers DO NOT POSE a problem, it's a problem when BOTH of the players are racepickers. Your method punishes one player randomly, at least Daemonarchy's method provideds a fairer way of who's going to play without having lame last minute switches.


edit: I'm really curious about how the other leaders/members think about this...

And the solution only addresses if both players are race pickers.


And i thought that's precisely the point since "Race Picking has always been a problem when it comes down to race pickers playing against race pickers. " from your your earlier post.

Yeah, thus, the ruling addresses that problem. You assume that had your player left the game, Daemonarchy would have solved it easily with everyone being happy in the end, but that's entirely false. Specter plays PvP, ZvZ and your player was PvZ ZvP... There's no compatibility and if both players whisper their race, one player gets shafted. Regardless of how you look at it, one player gets the short end of the straw, thus, ruling remains that minimal administrative time will be used on the matter. Once the game starts, it gets played regardless if the player is happy with race selection (applies for race picking situations only).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6834 Posts
August 20 2012 19:22 GMT
#279
wait a minute... specter play pvp zvz tvt ? OMEGE !
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 20 2012 19:24 GMT
#280
On August 21 2012 04:22 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
wait a minute... specter play pvp zvz tvt ? OMEGE !

PvT
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
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