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Holy Sh#%#&!! Where did they get so many money O_O! it's amazing!
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On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least.
Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this-
My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
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On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
so, who's sponsor of this tournament/league a "Mister X" millionaire who loves starcraft, a company or what?
i'm a bit confused. anyway it's awesome i hope this revives Broodwar
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For everyone, I would like to say that your criticism, comments and anything else related to the league are welcome in this thread, I fully understand any doubts and or questions and am more than happy to take them.
I don't want to have any conflict in this thread.
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On July 19 2012 06:56 Shotcoder wrote:
Not to be a dick or anything but how many of you are questioning the authenticity of this because of the name on the topic? I can peg probably half of you to this I believe.
To be honest, the name(s) on the topic is the ONLY thing causing me to have any hope at all that this is legit, since Ewya is one of the biggest foreign BW tournament organizers. It's the lack of information combined with the "way-too-good-to-be-true" prizepool that make me question it. I don't believe (and I don't speak for everyone, but I don't think most people believe) that there is any malicious intent or scam behind this tournament, but I fear this is a case of overambition which will fail when the amount of money ends up being less than promised.
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On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all.
I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free."
I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?
None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read:
"Hi.
First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture.
- Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures?
- How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing?
Basically, where is the money coming from?
Regards,
ninazerg"
I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name?
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Ohh please get Sayle to co-cast this with elegant. I beg you!
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On July 19 2012 10:30 thezanursic wrote:
Ohh please get Sayle to co-cast this with elegant. I beg you!
The door is open for him, fully inclusive, same deal as Elegant, I haven't had a chance to chat with him yet though.
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On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name?
The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post.
I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant.
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Following some discussions, Euro Winter will be open to the Americas for Individual league qualifications, however, the main stage location will not be changed and Nation War teams from the Americas will have to pay their own way (potentially with their winnings) if they qualify.
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Qualification locations as of now:
Paid QFs per - Location - Total QFs
1 - Canada / Latin America - 3
2 - Hungary - 4
2 - Germany - 4
1 - Nordic - 2
3 - Poland - 5
3 - Russia - 5
2 - United States - 4
3 - Rest Of Europe - 5
*Please note, this is a ballpark tool and it is likely to be changed, This is an ESTIMATE of how many people will be covered for the Grand Finals. Also, given the addition of the Americas, likely there will be room for a couple extra inclusive Qualifications over 16.
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This would be wonderful if it is true, a true blessing to the community..but I am honestly going to say that I find this very hard to believe...Hope it happens though, would be amazing. If this doesn't happen though, I think it is going to be bad for the community, if this is hyped and people get they're hopes up, then it could bring disaster to the BW foreign community...Hope this happens guys, gl hf gg.
god bless~
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On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name? The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant.
So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization.
On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from?
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On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name? The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant. So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from?
The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel.
As for the money,
On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from?
This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest.
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On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name? The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant. So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization. On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from? The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money, This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest.
So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved.
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On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name? The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant. So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization. On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from? The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money, On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from? This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest. So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved.
It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this.
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On July 19 2012 11:44 Eywa- wrote:
Qualification locations as of now:
Paid QFs per - Location - Total QFs
1 - Canada / Latin America - 3
2 - Hungary - 4
2 - Germany - 4
1 - Nordic - 2
3 - Poland - 5
3 - Russia - 5
2 - United States - 4
3 - Rest Of Europe - 5
*Please note, this is a ballpark tool and it is likely to be changed, This is an ESTIMATE of how many people will be covered for the Grand Finals. Also, given the addition of the Americas, likely there will be room for a couple extra inclusive Qualifications over 16.
it went from only europe to 3 (canada LA) + 4 USA, just curious the reasoning behind this, i.e does this mean Canada has to compete vs LA (lag central) while USA only plays vs other USA?
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On July 19 2012 12:31 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 14:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I like the police record thing.
I read it like three times now and I still have not figured out how this is supposed to work, who pays what or anything. What.
Also, there is a lot of demands for a lot of very, very personal information. Why would you need that? This looks fishy to say the least. His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name? The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant. So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization. On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from? The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money, On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from? This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest. So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved. It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this.
So, what you're saying is "Nobody needs to know where the money is coming from."?
Because if that's the case, then it seems disingenuous to present your business venture as "non-profit" while simultaneously refusing to disclose your financial information. To simply say "Trust me, I'm losing money" doesn't really give people much confidence, to say the least.
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