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On July 19 2012 20:16 ne4aJIb wrote:
18000+++ from just Hockey cards??? OMG...
Are they made of GOLD??
22 K$ 18k for 1v1 and 4k for the national teams
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lol no, its over 30k pool
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On July 19 2012 20:41 Mewka wrote:
lol no, its over 30k pool
22k, 18k for 1v1 and 4k for NWT
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Australia7069 Posts
On July 19 2012 20:45 Mazur wrote:22k, 18k for 1v1 and 4k for NWT
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Around 35k dollars from hockey cards :D
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Hockey cards is serious business apparently
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oh u might be right, my bad 
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On July 19 2012 21:10 Shana wrote:
Hockey cards is serious business apparently
Indeed, some are worth over $8k for 1 standalone card.
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On July 19 2012 20:37 Mazur wrote:With the criminal record check u might have a problem with translating it form so menny languages  I would like to see u reading a Hungarian or Russian criminal record check
I guess a police station would be able to give you the record in english if you are asking for that, considering that you might want to apply for a foreign company.
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Just as an add-on, any player who is attending the Grand Finals reserves the right to also see the criminal record check of any league staff. (who is attending)
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On July 19 2012 21:23 Eywa- wrote:
Just as an add-on, any player who is attending the Grand Finals reserves the right to also see the criminal record check of any league staff. (who is attending)
Nooo, my history of drugs trafficking is coming back to haunt me!
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Is there a way that the community could help the event?
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Canada39254 Posts
Wow this is awesome, a huge prize pool.
Although it is a bit shady ;o
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On July 19 2012 20:07 Kiante wrote:
theres lots of money in the banana stand hockey cards
I just blue myself. Hockey cards?!!!!?!!
(Also: "There´s always money in the banana stand" is the original catch phrase but close enough ^^)
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LML, u gonna orga the german team again?
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Haha, wow awesome.
I think the doubt is pretty understandable, but since I'm not risking anything, I'll just wait 'til winter 13 and hope for the best :D
You guys are awesome.
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On July 19 2012 22:09 Skeggaba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 20:07 Kiante wrote:
theres lots of money in the banana stand hockey cards I just blue myself. Hockey cards?!!!!?!! (Also: "There´s always money in the banana stand" is the original catch phrase but close enough ^^)
i know, but i felt it was more appropriate with lots considering the size we're talking about here D:
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On July 19 2012 18:07 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]). I'm trying to stay out of this and remain cautiously optimistic but this is too absurd. This paragraph sounds like Requiem for a Dream and Breaking Bad rolled into one, how is anyone supposed to read that and think you're not selling drugs? That line at the end about how you can't reveal it only cements it, this explanation feels so unbelievably shady.
Hey... as long as we have the money and this is for real I am extatic, and I always thought it was about time to get the drug lords involved in ESPORTS
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So... uh... can you explain why there need to be criminal record checks?
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On July 19 2012 19:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:54 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 12:31 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 12:09 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 12:00 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 11:56 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 11:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 19 2012 10:22 ninazerg wrote:On July 19 2012 08:07 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 ImbaTosS wrote:
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His motives are good, and he is not trying to pull anything strange here, rest assured. I would put my name on that at the very least. Just to make this clear, as my post has seemingly raised question marks to some about my thoughts+role in this- My message is simply that whatever you may think, Eywa is not trying to scam anyone, or operate this for personal gain. I just know this because I know Eywa. Also I'm the commentator. That is all. I'm going to be honest - if organized a huge international tournament with a prize pool larger than both TSL, TSL2, ISL, KISL2, and ISL3 combined, I would want to earn a bit of money for that amount of work. I can't imagine Eywa going "Nope! It's non-profit! I'm totally doing all this for free." I voiced some concerns of mine in the original post about the business venture and handling other people's money. There should be, in my opinion, accountability for finances if the venture is truly non-profit. I asked:
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?None of my questions were answered. The only thing that changed was that Eywa dropped the "Inc" from the name, and began referring to the enterprise as EywaSC Non-Profit. I sent Eywa- a PM on TL that read: "Hi. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm not against you doing a big StarCraft event. I think that's great. However, I have some questions about this venture. - Is your organization registered as a non-profit organization in the United States or Canada? If so, will you be releasing financial information regarding all income and expenditures? - How are you raising 30,000 dollars for a StarCraft: BroodWar event when most SC2 events, and prior TSL events, and all prior ISL events have fallen far short of the enormous prize pool you are proposing? Basically, where is the money coming from? Regards, ninazerg" I'm not bashing the event or Eywa. I want good things for BroodWar, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with everyone involved on completely different issues. That's not the issue. Everything I've said thus far boils down to two questions: Where is this money coming from, and secondly, is this venture LEGALLY a non-profit organization or just one in name? The non-profit is not yet registered, however, I can guarantee that it will be for more reasons than you have listed in your post. I don't take commission on any events, nor do I plan on it. Brood War has forever been a hobby and will be nothing more. I can more than cover myself financially, quite frankly taking profit from BW events would be insignificant. So the company isn't listed as a non-profit organization. On July 18 2012 07:17 Eywa- wrote:
Players from the Americas may participate assuming they can fund their own way to the finals. EywaSC non-profit has started a communal fund for these players, you may donate at the link above in the OP.
You presented your organization as "non-profit" in your subsequent post. So again, what assurances can you give that people's money will be handled appropriately? Furthermore, where is the money for the prize pool, venue, logistics, etc., coming from? The organization is not listed because I've practically been living out of my car for the past few weeks with the abundance of work related travel. As for the money, On July 19 2012 06:25 Antoine wrote:
Cool! Where's the money coming from? This is the big question which everyone has been asking. The money has come from a series of fundraising events which have been conducted by myself while the product being produced by NoisE and venues located by EleGanT. Hence, NoisE being put first in the sponsorship crew, he's worked the hardest to make the money to be honest. So, is NoisE allowed to talk about these fund-raising events? Because he was quite reticent about the subject and deferred to you for providing information regarding the funds involved. It's not a public venture. What is donated by my company is entirely up to myself, I chose to invest this in BW and that's all that's required for you to know. A donation which is deemed impossible does not merit the internal investigation of a private enterprise. We expanded a section specifically to fit the BW fundraising needs. This also accounts for the question if I'm getting anything out of this, my business is funding it... So, short answer, I'm getting -$X out of this. So, what you're saying is "Nobody needs to know where the money is coming from."? Because if that's the case, then it seems disingenuous to present your business venture as "non-profit" while simultaneously refusing to disclose your financial information. To simply say "Trust me, I'm losing money" doesn't really give people much confidence, to say the least. Not really, I told you where the money is coming from and about 20-30 people know the exact details.
No, you didn't tell me where the money is coming from at any point so far. Not in this thread, not in PMs.
On July 19 2012 19:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 18:07 heyoka wrote:On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]). I'm trying to stay out of this and remain cautiously optimistic but this is too absurd. This paragraph sounds like Requiem for a Dream and Breaking Bad rolled into one, how is anyone supposed to read that and think you're not selling drugs? That line at the end about how you can't reveal it only cements it, this explanation feels so unbelievably shady. Hockey Cards is the product. I'm not even joking.
So Shotcoder has a collection of Baseball Hockey Cards that are worth 40k, and he's selling them because he loves BroodWar way more than hockey. GEEZ. Was that so hard?
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