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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 08 2012 04:12 GMT
#61
On July 08 2012 13:04 Obelisco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 13:00 VGhost wrote:
On July 08 2012 12:55 Ribbon wrote:
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A.

I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started.


On July 08 2012 12:41 N.geNuity wrote:
eh, cuz the excitement of maybe getting one decent BW set (or sctoo set, I guess for hardcore fans of that) is far outweighed by either having stuff to do or not caring.


KeSPA tried to please everyone and they ended up pleasing no-one, really. They need to take some action, I think. At the very least, they need to update the SC2 map pool (it's all small-to-medium maps. Put Whirlwind in, take maybe Ohana out). I don't even know what they can do on the BW side at this point, though.

It's only a few more weeks before KeSPA players have to face GSL players (Monday, if you count the show matches, but no one takes those that seriously). If they get trounced, I think that's almost it for Proleague. There's no way they can survive as a poor man's GSTL.

I don't know if they could've saved it through BW somehow (maybe tried to renegotiate with Blizzard, who no longer really needs them), but the switch to SC2 is starting to turn into a disaster.


The thing is, GSTL format is kind of retarded for a teamleague. I think the bigger sponsors (say, a KHAN-SKT-STX cabal) have the clout to impose a reasonable format on KeSPA, while I don't see the GSL gogogogo format working long-term. So what I'm really afraid of now is that the sponsors don't care and contracts will simply run out and then... who knows.


yea. I dont like an ODT and all-kill format for a teamleague. For some reason, in SC2/Gom seems individual tournaments are given a much higher priority while BW/Ogn gives a higher importance to teams through Proleague. Im still not sure what will the consecuences of this will be, but establishing teams will be difficult if they are less important in competitions


It's gotten to the point where individual players are getting sponsorships, instead of teams. But a lot of SC2 stars made their names in the Team League back when it was treated seriously (MMA, DRG). I think it makes the scene less stable, honestly. Players can have off days more easily than whole teams can.

On July 08 2012 13:07 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 12:55 Ribbon wrote:
On July 08 2012 12:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Could it more more clear that the fans have given up on proleague? There are no fans in the audience, there are no SC2 fans watching (and no SC2 LR threads), and the BW fans has whittled down to 3 KT fans, an STX fan, and X10A.

I made this LR thread 11 minutes after the games started.


On July 08 2012 12:41 N.geNuity wrote:
eh, cuz the excitement of maybe getting one decent BW set (or sctoo set, I guess for hardcore fans of that) is far outweighed by either having stuff to do or not caring.


KeSPA tried to please everyone and they ended up pleasing no-one, really. They need to take some action, I think. At the very least, they need to update the SC2 map pool (it's all small-to-medium maps. Put Whirlwind in, take maybe Ohana out). I don't even know what they can do on the BW side at this point, though.


nah kespa just ignores what people want and do what some corporate sponsor wants. I don't really blame them for having to switch to sc2 (various reasons of sponsorship for bw drying up; everyone who bothers to show up in this thread knows those reasons lol) but it's pretty obvious everyone knew a mixed format would be shitty.

But, I also refer to start of season 1 where they fan's pretty resounding results on fomos (wanting bo7, winners league etc)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275033

as well as ignoring bo7 from progamers (though there is some concern for the amount of bo7s a week, they still wanted bo7. and some coaches wanted winner's league reduced, but not eliminated)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274673


KeSPA's always been kind of douchey, but they're not going to be able to get away with it now that they'll have real competition.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:12 GMT
#62
Shy going to wall off the back door with pylons
Hive is morphing in
Shuttle loving out for Shy towards the 11 oclock
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:13 GMT
#63
Lurkers trying to sneak into the backdoor, but cannons ward them off
Effort has no forces to clear off anything
Zealots and a DT are going to get ferried into the mineral only of Effort
Effort supply capped at 99/87 supply
DT going to rape the mineral line in the main
5 drone kills I think
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:14 GMT
#64
The drop gets cleaned up pretty well, only losing a few units, taking a bit of damage to the mineral only hatchery
Shy adding a ton of gates, and robo is up
Lurkers get cleared out of the mineral only backdoor
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
July 08 2012 04:14 GMT
#65
Pretty drop... should have focused the hatch though I think.

Also reavers please.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
July 08 2012 04:14 GMT
#66
shy is playing really well ...
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:15 GMT
#67
Defilers are in play now
Shy looking to take a fourth at 3 oclock
Cracklings try to counter, but zealots and a goon are there to defend
+2 attack done for Shy
1-1 for melee, 1-0 for ranged zerg I think
Forge spinning
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:16 GMT
#68
A group of hydras going to die at 7 oclock, by Shy's main army
Pretty indecisive, Effort oging for a big crackling counter at the 3 oclock
Storm but it doesn't kill anything
Three HT and one bad storm between them
Lings eat through a few cannons, but Effort's force gets cleaned up
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:17 GMT
#69
Did 7 oclock have a hatchery?
Drones getting transferred, get killed off
Huge plague on Shy's army
Storm on the lings try Effort tries to surround the army with
7 oclock did have a hatch and it fell apparently o.o
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#70
Effotr going to run by into the mineral only
Huge storm on the lings
But three overlord drop into there too!
Not enough cracklings to do anything
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
July 08 2012 04:18 GMT
#71
Poor drop by EffOrt, but keeping sHy distracted.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#72
Lings try to run by yet again, but get killed
7 oclock going to get denied yet again
+3 weapons for Shy
2-2 for melee
Ultra Cavern is up
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
July 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#73
cow den is out for effort
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
July 08 2012 04:19 GMT
#74
Shy seems to be a step ahead of effort.
Knew that drop was coming.
Preempted the attack at his fourth.
It's close, but he seems to be dictating play now.
Random player, pixel enthusiast, crappy illustrator, offlane/support
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#75
Both players banking quite a few resources each
Huge drop in the main of Shy
Catching a ton of HT just warping in from Aiur
Lings running into the mineral only too
Towards the 7 oclock too!
The army at 7 oclock gets destroyed, and the main drop finally gets cleaned up
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
July 08 2012 04:20 GMT
#76
Robotics support coming up, reavers to come ...assuming sHy survives the drops.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
July 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#77
shy loses his army at the bottom left, effort defends his bottom 2 bases
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:22 GMT
#78
Yet another drop into the main
0-1-3 for Shy's upgrades
7 oclock is finally taken
Effort dropping yet again into the main
The gates are getting crushed
Shy is totally out of position
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
July 08 2012 04:22 GMT
#79
Huge drop and runby by effort doing some damage to Shy's infrastructure.
Gates not powered.
Shy back in his base.
Another drop from effort damaging production again.
Repulsed fairly easily.
Complete reversal of roles, Shy on the defensive. Drop after drop from effort, Shy falling apart.
Random player, pixel enthusiast, crappy illustrator, offlane/support
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 08 2012 04:22 GMT
#80
Templar Archives get sniped!
Citadel gets sniped too!
7 oclock getting countered by Shy
Effort finally has a lead in supply 144-136
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
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