On June 27 2012 11:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: What the fuck It's KT Rolster not Kt Rolster......Why is everyone making that mistake T_T
Other than that great thread.
Kespa figured out that by printing a smaller t they could save over 165.06$ annually on printing the logo on countless t-shirts, posters, and promotional products, thus saving the esports industry.
Rooting KT, but I don't really follow PL anymore . The BW/SC2 thing makes it less exciting for me. Hoping there's a cool game that makes me watch a VOD though. JD/Flash SC2 ace match? That would be fun.
On June 27 2012 15:57 Vasoline73 wrote: wooooooooooow. Amazingly cool OP imo.
Rooting KT, but I don't really follow PL anymore . The BW/SC2 thing makes it less exciting for me. Hoping there's a cool game that makes me watch a VOD though. JD/Flash SC2 ace match? That would be fun.
Try to look at it the positive way, that's what im doing. You can watch our beloved player play a brand new game with new strats which is kinda similar to BW (eh, better than Dota/LoL) while still having some bw games. I know, BW forever would have been better, but it's not going to happen.
On June 27 2012 15:57 Vasoline73 wrote: wooooooooooow. Amazingly cool OP imo.
Rooting KT, but I don't really follow PL anymore . The BW/SC2 thing makes it less exciting for me. Hoping there's a cool game that makes me watch a VOD though. JD/Flash SC2 ace match? That would be fun.
Try to look at it the positive way, that's what im doing. You can watch our beloved player play a brand new game with new strats which is kinda similar to BW (eh, better than Dota/LoL) while still having some bw games. I know, BW forever would have been better, but it's not going to happen.
Yeah I'm kind of looking at this season like an exhibition sort of thing. I am excited for the full switch to SC2, so it's not like I hate SC2, I just don't like the mixed format too much.
But yeah perspective is everything. I just need to get into it a different way than I normally would with PL.
On June 27 2012 11:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: What the fuck It's KT Rolster not Kt Rolster......Why is everyone making that mistake T_T
Other than that great thread.
Kespa figured out that by printing a smaller t they could save over 165.06$ annually on printing the logo on countless t-shirts, posters, and promotional products, thus saving the esports industry.
who knew such a small letter was the reason why esports was dying.
On June 27 2012 11:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: What the fuck It's KT Rolster not Kt Rolster......Why is everyone making that mistake T_T
Other than that great thread.
Kespa figured out that by printing a smaller t they could save over 165.06$ annually on printing the logo on countless t-shirts, posters, and promotional products, thus saving the esports industry.
who knew such a small letter was the reason why esports was dying.
It's so important man, every kitten death is connected proportionally to the amount of t's not capitalized in KT
thankfully, I didn't see it till I read the thread so my eyes are ok
On June 27 2012 11:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: What the fuck It's KT Rolster not Kt Rolster......Why is everyone making that mistake T_T
Other than that great thread.
Kespa figured out that by printing a smaller t they could save over 165.06$ annually on printing the logo on countless t-shirts, posters, and promotional products, thus saving the esports industry.
who knew such a small letter was the reason why esports was dying.
It's so important man, every kitten death is connected proportionally to the amount of t's not capitalized in KT
thankfully, I didn't see it till I read the thread so my eyes are ok
oh god. so much money down the drain... if only we saw this sooner TT.TT
On June 27 2012 14:00 TheMilkyOne wrote: 28?????i thought that 30 Juni must be.....tha;ts strange....on liquipedia another date...30 Juni!
It's pretty weird, you're right. I did put "June 30 12:00 KST" with /date bb code and it changes (at least for me) to 28.
date tags tend to fuck up,
try this instead.
Saturday June 30th [time]1200KST[/time]
Make sure to include the year, that's what usually fucks up things, especially the day of week. Also indicate AM/PM if you use the ":" notation instead of 24-hour military time ("12:00" vs "1200").
This should be correct:
SKT1 vs CJ: [date]30 June 2012 1200 KST[/date] T8 vs KT: [date]30 June 2012 1500 KST[/date]
SKT1 vs CJ: Saturday, Jun 30 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) T8 vs KT: Saturday, Jun 30 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
This uniform doesn't suit Jaedong at all. Thankfully, he's going to brutalise Stats to make up for it ^_^ Cakes for both teams. Who has the birthday? And apparently Movie has been a pro for 4 years now?
LOL What Jaedong making a hatchery at Stats' third base at 3 oclock Forge first for Stats No pool for Jaedong just yet Hidden three hatch before pool Forge->nexus->cannon
Stats doesn't scout the 3 oclock I don't even know! Holy crap, if Stats didn't catch that Pool is finished now Nat for Stats is up now, for Jaedong too Hydra den pretty fast!
Stats scouts it out! Lings out, going to try and pick out the scouting probe Second cannon for Stats Stargate on the way for Stats Hatch got pretty low, but three hydras pop out from the hatchery Three cannons at the wall
Gateway has fallen Forge still in red health Zealot managed to sneak into the nat of Jaedong Forge finally falls 8 cannons out for Stats Overlord gets sniped Archives is done now!, DT is going to be out soon I think
Zealots moving out for Sang, no +1 Zealot legs finish Two creep colonies for CH at the nat, one morphs in really quickly Drones and lings fall CH defends pretty well, Sim city well placed at the third too
Movie has been coaching Sang well I see Single ling scouts the mineral only Only a single cannon at the mineral only Maelstrom Archons rip through the mutas, only three survive
Lurker being burrowed on the high ground lol Observer gets sniped by scourge, but Sang has another one CH going to pick off reinforcements Sang manages to pick off four lurkers and a hatchery
Huge attack on the mineral only Only four cannons Zealots kill off the cracklings inside the expo Minimal loses, and many lings fell HT get sniped again by the lings
Reaver gets sniped by a few cracklings The mineral only for CH morphing in, Sang going to let it go in uncontested? Lurker defiler drop in the 9 oclock, aswell as a crackling drop in the main of Sang
Storm and reaver defense at the 9 oclock Sang taking 5 oclock natural now Mass lurker defense now Playgu yet again on the army, they're all down to 1 hp now
CH just swarming in tier one units towards the 5 nat Hydra ling Two reavers going to defend the nexus Single hydra gets maelstromed Hero zealots, Manlots taking on a ton of lurkers and a defiler
Two DT's out on the map, one dies, and the other ninja's its way through Two reavers and a ton of cannons at the 5 nat, but CH pushes in with the battering ram Both reavers fall Tons of lurkers fell to the scarabs though Nexus stands though
No sign of a cow cavern yet 147-145 pretty even supply now Sang I thought was zerg, and he isn't as bad as I thought he was Huge storm on the clumped lurkers, four or five lurkers fall! 125-164 now what just happened? 5 nat coming under attack again
sang is in big trouble. contained to basically the bottom left of the map. ch just wont stop making units lol. He probs has like at least 10 hatches at this point.
On June 30 2012 15:16 FlaShFTW wrote: It's my lucky 3k posts that made CH win. That's obvious ^.^
ugh why did you change from a bad ass ghost to a hovering magic wand templar ? XD
I stick to my favorite units, HT being one of them as its a baller spellcaster. Don't know though, I might change back to Ghost. I like nukes too <3 pay some homage to boxer :D
Basic recap of the game: Sang tried to use maelstorm on muta strategy. Kind worked. CH just went 4 base turtle style into just throw units at the protoss ball and hope the ball gets smaller. Wonder how many lings CH lost that game XD
The rax doesn't finish! Third scv goign to try and finish it The rax finally finishes One marine out on the way One zealot on the way, second zealot getting time warped Core warping in
Single zealot swiping away at the supply depot at the top of the ramp Second rax on the top of the ramp is done imba gates are researching CC under construction
One zealot going to fall? No Hoon keeps it alive! Second dtGoon there Flash in trouble! imbagates are finished! Jaehoon's revenge for WL 09-10 finals? <3
Two zealots fall Third dtGoon coming over to reinforce One gate expand, robo getting added Flash manages to pick off a dtGoon bunker started at the nat now
Flash is pretty dead... I am not sure what he tried to do with the rax, like there was not even room for his addon and it was scouted so early Flash should have just canceled and go cc first + bunker at choke and hold at natural i think.
On June 30 2012 15:37 Nikon wrote: Jaehoon's buildings are doing something! Seriously, the robo bay looks so weird with those... things moving like that.
It is really hard to come back in sc2, Flash was pretty dead after the pressure from Jaehoon. and Colossus dont require control to be effective so there is no way to mess up for Jaehoon :/
Great play from both! <3 Flash's attempt with the proxy rax was strange, and props to Jaehoon for showcasing excellent micro. Sloppy play has been shown at those stages by pros with that advantage.
On June 30 2012 15:40 Obelisco wrote: It is really hard to come back in sc2, Flash was pretty dead after the pressure from Jaehoon. and Colossus dont require control to be effective so there is no way to mess up for Jaehoon :/
In fairness, Jaehoon's micro during the pressure was pretty good.
Flash did a really big all-in that did exactly nothing, though. Then Jaehoon's pressure was really good. Even in BW, that's hard to get out of.
On June 30 2012 15:40 Obelisco wrote: It is really hard to come back in sc2, Flash was pretty dead after the pressure from Jaehoon. and Colossus dont require control to be effective so there is no way to mess up for Jaehoon :/
In fairness, Jaehoon's micro during the pressure was pretty good.
Flash did a really big all-in that did exactly nothing, though. Then Jaehoon's pressure was really good. Even in BW, that's hard to get out of.
There was no micro during the final counter attack with Colossus.
On June 30 2012 15:40 Obelisco wrote: It is really hard to come back in sc2, Flash was pretty dead after the pressure from Jaehoon. and Colossus dont require control to be effective so there is no way to mess up for Jaehoon :/
In fairness, Jaehoon's micro during the pressure was pretty good.
Flash did a really big all-in that did exactly nothing, though. Then Jaehoon's pressure was really good. Even in BW, that's hard to get out of.
If Jaehoon microed worse and lost Stalkers more than he should then Flash would be in a better shape than that.
On June 30 2012 15:40 Obelisco wrote: It is really hard to come back in sc2, Flash was pretty dead after the pressure from Jaehoon. and Colossus dont require control to be effective so there is no way to mess up for Jaehoon :/
In fairness, Jaehoon's micro during the pressure was pretty good.
Flash did a really big all-in that did exactly nothing, though. Then Jaehoon's pressure was really good. Even in BW, that's hard to get out of.
There was no micro during the final counter attack with Colossus.
Flash had already lost by then by having no army compared to jaehoon + it being much worse, no vikings etc
Jaehoon's Stalker micro was very good in the game. He has like 10 kills on one Stalker and save another Stalker with 1 HP. Talking about taking a really good care on a unit
BTW, prop to oOOoOphidian's stream (all of the casters) for the analysis and explanation. The explanation really help me understand more about the game (both in BW and SC2).
On June 30 2012 15:51 Proseat wrote: So I guess we want T8 to win this so we'll get to see a JD vs Flash ace match?
Flash is likely only practicing BW until he wins the OSL, at which point I imagine he'll coast on BW for the rest of the season on practice SC2 full time.
Standard openings out of these two. Forge FE into fast 3 base before gas Zerg.
weird for Wooki to only get 1 gas, it showed he wanted to warp in stalkers but he just didnt have the gas and was floating a lot mins at the beginning of the attack. At the same time, he stopped at 36 probes, which is 3 gas, 1 for proxy and 16/16 for optimal saturation, so i dont really know if he wanted 2 geisers mining.
Great game by Sea, I liked the build although he could've controlled a bit better. The marine splits were solid though, and he turtled well after his push was cleaned up.
On June 30 2012 16:28 Dodgin wrote: Sea played a great game there, well done!
Sea did play really well, actually, but the reason he won was because Action randomly move-commanded half his units away. Why did he pull 50 lings and all his mutas to defend 8 marines? WHY THE FUCK did he roll all his banelings into tanks and Thors with no support at all?
On June 30 2012 16:29 GTR wrote: action should just play infestor/ling, seems to suit his play style more.
Reactor Hellion/Cloak Banshee kinda force Action to go ling/baneling/muta, though. If he tech to Infestor too fast, he would die to hellions/banshee quite easily. So I guess it's kinda reasonable to go muta.
On June 30 2012 16:31 Zenbrez wrote: He lost two reaaalllyyy big groups of banelings for very little gain Sea had great control though, was happy to see that.
I'm actually really annoyed. That game was going pretty well; I was interested in it, and there was good micro. And then....fwoof.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
Well, if he does a really silly cheese again and loses a bunch of SCVs killing exactly nothing....
But the Jaehoon pressure on Flash's door was fun to watch, so I'm crossing my fingers. SPL SC2 has been improving at a pretty nice rate (one of the reasons I'm watching SPL instead of GSTL right now). I'm hoping we'll get ONE good game today. Sea vs Action was shaping up to be a fun game, before the Great Derp of Twenty Twelve.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
Well, if he does a really silly cheese again and loses a bunch of SCVs killing exactly nothing....
But the Jaehoon pressure on Flash's door was fun to watch, so I'm crossing my fingers. SPL SC2 has been improving at a pretty nice rate (one of the reasons I'm watching SPL instead of GSTL right now). I'm hoping we'll get ONE good game today. Sea vs Action was shaping up to be a fun game, before the Great Derp of Twenty Twelve.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
The chance of Flash losing to Jaehoon twice in a day is exactly 50% - either he's going to lose twice, or he won't.
>_> Odds i.e. probability is a statistical distribution of events, by this logic there's a 50% chance that I will be president of the USA tomorrow, either I will or I won't. It's not an confirmed inevitability that Flash loses to Jaehoon twice in a day.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
The chance of Flash losing to Jaehoon twice in a day is exactly 50% - either he's going to lose twice, or he won't.
>_> Odds i.e. probability is a statistical distribution of events, by this logic there's a 50% chance that I will be president of the USA tomorrow, either I will or I won't. It's not an confirmed inevitability that Flash loses to Jaehoon twice in a day.
Ye, thankfully they're not playing the ace match in probability distribution. Anything can happen
On June 30 2012 16:35 raga4ka wrote: Is Flash the best at SC2 in KT also ? The coach seems to use him regardless of his performance in SC2 and he has OSL as well .
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
The chance of Flash losing to Jaehoon twice in a day is exactly 50% - either he's going to lose twice, or he won't.
>_> Odds i.e. probability is a statistical distribution of events, by this logic there's a 50% chance that I will be president of the USA tomorrow, either I will or I won't. It's not an confirmed inevitability that Flash loses to Jaehoon twice in a day.
Ye, thankfully they're not playing the ace match in probability distribution. Anything can happen
On June 30 2012 16:35 raga4ka wrote: Is Flash the best at SC2 in KT also ? The coach seems to use him regardless of his performance in SC2 and he has OSL as well .
We can't really know, but it seems that Lizzy has been sent back to the B team for the time being.
Sometimes it just makes sense to send your most clutch player in these key moments.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
The chance of Flash losing to Jaehoon twice in a day is exactly 50% - either he's going to lose twice, or he won't.
>_> Odds i.e. probability is a statistical distribution of events, by this logic there's a 50% chance that I will be president of the USA tomorrow, either I will or I won't. It's not an confirmed inevitability that Flash loses to Jaehoon twice in a day.
Ye, thankfully they're not playing the ace match in probability distribution. Anything can happen
dah so why did you say 50% then =3
Because I'd like to think of myself as a fair and ubiased spectator =3
On June 30 2012 16:35 raga4ka wrote: Is Flash the best at SC2 in KT also ? The coach seems to use him regardless of his performance in SC2 and he has OSL as well .
We can't really know, but it seems that Lizzy has been sent back to the B team for the time being.
Sometimes it just makes sense to send your most clutch player in these key moments.
Has he? I am wondering what happened to him he like isn't played anymore and he went 2-2 so idk seems weird he must not be good anymore or something xD
On June 30 2012 16:35 raga4ka wrote: Is Flash the best at SC2 in KT also ? The coach seems to use him regardless of his performance in SC2 and he has OSL as well .
We can't really know, but it seems that Lizzy has been sent back to the B team for the time being.
Sometimes it just makes sense to send your most clutch player in these key moments.
Now the question is, why did they send out Jaehoon instead of Jaedong? Because they thought SKT would send Flash despite OSL? And Jaehoon beat him earlier?
On June 30 2012 16:35 raga4ka wrote: Is Flash the best at SC2 in KT also ? The coach seems to use him regardless of his performance in SC2 and he has OSL as well .
MLG was a confidence boost.
You'd expect this to be Flash's worst time in SC2, though, since he's likely practicing BW a lot more than everyone else at the moment. Which I guess doesn't mean he's practicing SC2 less, since he trains in the hyperbolic time chamber, but still.
Cross Positions on Entombed Valley. Hoping for a big macro game.
Why is the crowd so loud? SPL's been dead the last couple of weeks.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
The chance of Flash losing to Jaehoon twice in a day is exactly 50% - either he's going to lose twice, or he won't.
>_> Odds i.e. probability is a statistical distribution of events, by this logic there's a 50% chance that I will be president of the USA tomorrow, either I will or I won't. It's not an confirmed inevitability that Flash loses to Jaehoon twice in a day.
Ye, thankfully they're not playing the ace match in probability distribution. Anything can happen
dah so why did you say 50% then =3
Because I'd like to think of myself as a fair and ubiased spectator =3
Dahh... surely as a fair and unbiased spectator then you would base your opinion on facts and inherent logic, which would produce a figure that isn't 50% since the history of events don't suggest the two players are exactly perfectly in SC2 skill.
what are the odds of him losing to Jaehoon twice...
The chance of Flash losing to Jaehoon twice in a day is exactly 50% - either he's going to lose twice, or he won't.
>_> Odds i.e. probability is a statistical distribution of events, by this logic there's a 50% chance that I will be president of the USA tomorrow, either I will or I won't. It's not an confirmed inevitability that Flash loses to Jaehoon twice in a day.
Ye, thankfully they're not playing the ace match in probability distribution. Anything can happen
dah so why did you say 50% then =3
Because I'd like to think of myself as a fair and ubiased spectator =3
Dahh... surely as a fair and unbiased spectator then you would base your opinion on facts and inherent logic, which would produce a figure that isn't 50% since the history of events don't suggest the two players are exactly perfectly in SC2 skill.
Look, I know that Jaehoon is the best protoss player since forever, but I'd like to give Flash a chance to redeem himself, alright?
On June 30 2012 16:48 FlaShFTW wrote: Lol i have fb on send me notifs, so screen lights up wen he sent me. I happened to be looking at the ceiling wen i sent so i checked it.
Also, is flash really 15cc? Wat is jaehoon doin?
Aha, so you weren't actually asleep! My work here is done!
On June 30 2012 16:51 FlaShFTW wrote: Nikon, im not a fast sleeper. I usually stay awake contemplating my existence and other stuff for like 30 minutes before i go to bed. xD
On June 30 2012 15:48 FlaShFTW wrote: w.e. im going to sleep guys. have fun watching the rest my friends. pce.
KT HWAITING!!!
On June 30 2012 16:46 FlaShFTW wrote: Nah. My friend sent me fb message saying rematch so i woke up. If flash loses... Mfw...
That doesn't look like 30 minutes to me. I ask, good sir, what were you REALLY doing during that time?
P.S. Flash managing to stay one base ahead is bad news for you.
Flash is overmaking vikings, but Jaehoon hasn't made the HT switch yet, just stopped making Tripods. Not sure what his plan is. Flash is poking, but taking his 4th. Both players super-passive. Flash is pre-splitting his bio, which is good on him.
On June 30 2012 16:58 Ribbon wrote: I mean, good on Flash for attacking at the exact right second, but 20 minutes of nothing into attack into gg is not what I wanted
On June 30 2012 16:58 Ribbon wrote: I mean, good on Flash for attacking at the exact right second, but 20 minutes of nothing into attack into gg is not what I wanted
I relate to that feel
I don't know why Jaehoon stopped Tripods for like three minutes before making HT. He had more than enough time for storm, and then he holds easy. Of even, rampstasis. It's a pretty good spell.
the esports TV youtube channel is not available for me.
well, I live in germany and over here a lot of videos are blocked an organisation called GEMA (they deal with licenses). But when a youtube video is blocked by GEMA, the user usually is informed about it. In this case it seems to be different, because the only information one gets is "this video is not available". Does anyone have the same problem? Maybe a solution to circumvent it?
If more people cannot watch it via youtube, the whole thing with "spreading esports/starcraft to a larger audience" is doomed to fail, cuz people simply cant see shit.
On June 30 2012 16:58 Norada wrote: that game was so boring. macro to 200 then push attack whoever wins the big ball fight wins the game. god that was so sad >:
On June 30 2012 16:58 Norada wrote: that game was so boring. macro to 200 then push attack whoever wins the big ball fight wins the game. god that was so sad >:
so boring
Blame Jaehoon for not having any templar and only have 3 Tripods and 0 sentries. Flash was just "Oh wait, you don't have anything at all" when he saw the first templar warp in. That's what triggered the attack, because he knew he'd win easy. And he did.
This is the reason why I kind of hate SC2. Sit there, max( since it's so easy compare to BW and also the overall speed of the game) . 1 Attack to win the game. So boring
Oh yeah nikon, i was lying the whole time xD i had to shower and brush teeth first. Then i always stay up for like half an hour to an hour on ipod watching utube. xD
On June 30 2012 17:00 zul wrote: the esports TV youtube channel is not available for me.
well, I live in germany and over here a lot of videos are blocked an organisation called GEMA (they deal with licenses). But when a youtube video is blocked by GEMA, the user usually is informed about it. In this case it seems to be different, because the only information one gets is "this video is not available". Does anyone have the same problem? Maybe a solution to circumvent it?
If more people cannot watch it via youtube, the whole thing with "spreading esports/starcraft to a larger audience" is doomed to fail, cuz people simply cant see shit.
On June 30 2012 17:00 zul wrote: the esports TV youtube channel is not available for me.
well, I live in germany and over here a lot of videos are blocked an organisation called GEMA (they deal with licenses). But when a youtube video is blocked by GEMA, the user usually is informed about it. In this case it seems to be different, because the only information one gets is "this video is not available". Does anyone have the same problem? Maybe a solution to circumvent it?
If more people cannot watch it via youtube, the whole thing with "spreading esports/starcraft to a larger audience" is doomed to fail, cuz people simply cant see shit.
On June 30 2012 17:02 BgSBendeR wrote: This is the reason why I kind of hate SC2. Sit there, max( since it's so easy compare to BW and also the overall speed of the game) . 1 Attack to win the game. So boring
I'm hoping it's because of the current skill level to read information, clearly Jaehoon wasn't expecting nor ready for that timing attack. Was it +3+3 right?
On June 30 2012 17:02 BgSBendeR wrote: This is the reason why I kind of hate SC2. Sit there, max( since it's so easy compare to BW and also the overall speed of the game) . 1 Attack to win the game. So boring
I'm hoping it's because of the current skill level to read information, clearly Jaehoon wasn't expecting nor ready for that timing attack.
It was a timing attack because Jaehoon didn't have anything. He stopped making Colossus for a long time, and was behind in upgrades. Flash scanned right as the first Templar of the tech-switch warped in. The timing wasn't on Flash's end (though he was ahead in upgrades), Flash realized that Jaehoon was really weak at that exact moment and won the game. He had about 30 seconds before all the money Jaehoon put in to getting storm became usable (HTs had to build the energy), and that was the window he exploited
Edit: Apparently it was also right when +3 attack finished, which is probably what prompted the scan, but it was still Jaehoon being weak more than Flash being strong.
On June 30 2012 17:02 BgSBendeR wrote: This is the reason why I kind of hate SC2. Sit there, max( since it's so easy compare to BW and also the overall speed of the game) . 1 Attack to win the game. So boring
Now is it SC2 or KESPA players playing like it is 2010?
On June 30 2012 16:58 Norada wrote: that game was so boring. macro to 200 then push attack whoever wins the big ball fight wins the game. god that was so sad >:
so boring
well if u have 1 player that stays at his base to max out with colossi and dies to a straight up push with no colossi or stalker control. 0 forcefields and 0 templars... yes its boring
Not all SC2 games play out in this horrible fashion, like some seem to suggest. There are amazing SC2 games as well where there is action all over the map. I think a lot of the BW pros don't allow themselves to play more intricate games yet if they don't have to. Heart of the Swarm will open up for a more dynamic metagame imo and I think it is introducing units that will sit well with the BW pros.
On June 30 2012 17:02 BgSBendeR wrote: This is the reason why I kind of hate SC2. Sit there, max( since it's so easy compare to BW and also the overall speed of the game) . 1 Attack to win the game. So boring
Well, it doesn't help when players doesn't get their timings/compositions right. But hey, if you want to want to watch multiple engagement all over the map, you should watch GSL/GSTL instead (Sculp vs Symbol on GSTL that aired at the same time was so goooooood).
On June 30 2012 17:02 BgSBendeR wrote: This is the reason why I kind of hate SC2. Sit there, max( since it's so easy compare to BW and also the overall speed of the game) . 1 Attack to win the game. So boring
I agree with you, but be aware that this only pertains to PL right now. If you watch the GSL/GSTL it is extremely rare to see such games (although a higher ratio occurs in PvZ due to strong 2-base timings). SC2 itself cannot be judged by what is seen in PL, it's actually the skill and knowledge level of the Kespa players that is producing such games.
On June 30 2012 17:10 njoe wrote: Not all SC2 games play out in this horrible fashion, like some seem to suggest. There are amazing SC2 games as well where there is action all over the map. I think a lot of the BW pros don't allow themselves to play more intricate games yet if they don't have to. Heart of the Swarm will open up for a more dynamic metagame imo and I think it is introducing units that will sit well with the BW pros.
Let's not start this fight. That game was bad and Jaehoon should feel bad.
Sea vs Action was pretty decent until Action threw away his army being stupid. Most other SPL games have been bad.
Damn no Jaedong for ace match... tt. I guess T8 knew Flash was gonna be sent out, and so seeing as Jaehoon already beat him it was their best chance.
That last game was boring though. I haven't seen a game play out like that in a long time to be honest. Jaehoon was wayyy too late getting templar tech though.
On June 30 2012 19:21 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Damn no Jaedong for ace match... tt. I guess T8 knew Flash was gonna be sent out, and so seeing as Jaehoon already beat him it was their best chance.
That last game was boring though. I haven't seen a game play out like that in a long time to be honest. Jaehoon was wayyy too late getting templar tech though.
Yeah, Flash played pretty much perfectly (though a passive game, his timing with +3 and max was excellent and no macro mistakes or composition problems whatsoever). Great scouting as well really let him just dominate Jaehoon who just isn't as good at all.
Makes you wonder why Flash even bothered with a proxy rax strategy if Jaehoon is really that weak in a macro game. Jaehoon's micro was really great in their first game, but he doesn't understand tech transitions and solid builds in general while flash has that all down.
On June 30 2012 16:35 raga4ka wrote: Is Flash the best at SC2 in KT also ? The coach seems to use him regardless of his performance in SC2 and he has OSL as well .
We can't really know, but it seems that Lizzy has been sent back to the B team for the time being.
Sometimes it just makes sense to send your most clutch player in these key moments.
Has he? I am wondering what happened to him he like isn't played anymore and he went 2-2 so idk seems weird he must not be good anymore or something xD
The reason he was sent back to B-Team is plain and simple. He has no BW and isn't very good in SC2 either. There's no reason to keep him in A-team. He lost all his BW games and went 2-2 for Sc2 which is kind of bad for someone who only plays sc2.
jaehoon just rly bad macro. way too late 3rd, no archons or storm on the field so late in the game. his probe production was so low as well.
flash just played solid and showcased his superior macro. no spectacular multidrop or anything. sadly, PvT on entombed is a 3 base sit back turtle map anyways, dont know why the map is in the pool honestly
i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
does this not signify a stupid build?
Can you read?
I think he is referring to Flash's build being stupid, not Jaehoon's.
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
does this not signify a stupid build?
Can you read?
I think he is referring to Flash's build being stupid, not Jaehoon's.
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
does this not signify a stupid build?
Can you read?
I think he is referring to Flash's build being stupid, not Jaehoon's.
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
does this not signify a stupid build?
Can you read?
I think he is referring to Flash's build being stupid, not Jaehoon's.
Then why did he state the opposite?
Because he didn't express himself well initially? Idk.
I think the coach of team 8 should consider sending Baby or Sea for ACE matches . They have improved a lot and have impressed me more or equal to Flash's performance based on the games i've seen .
On July 01 2012 01:54 FlaShFTW wrote: i felt that it was a terrible call to send out jaehoon. he beat flash by going for some stupid strat. ok. congratz. anyone can do that. but they got overconfident in jaehoon and sent him out anyways.
he didnt go for a stupid build. flash went for a build that a) doesnt even punish nexus first (2 rax OR 1 rax marodeur proxy needed) b) cant apply any pressure otherwise (see above) c) leads to an instant loss if scouted in time
wasnt jaehoon's fault, he simply wanted to 1 gate expo which is standart in PvT
yep it was a gamble, flash said in his interview that he noticed jaehoon doesn't scout usually and that flash considers this build a guaranteed win when unscouted. Jaehoon scouted though...
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Jaedong, 
BaBy, 
Stats, ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zGrCY.png)
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. The BW/SC2 thing makes it less exciting for me. Hoping there's a cool game that makes me watch a VOD though. JD/Flash SC2 ace match? That would be fun. ![[image loading]](http://vvcap.net/db/kC5mE3qtqINh0TTkTGK4.png)
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