[SPL] Grand Final: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 339

On April 08 2012 23:57 IntoTheheart wrote:

The clay figures are amazing, who made those?

On April 08 2012 23:56 Soulforged wrote:
Flash wasn't ahead after the early game. He got stuck on marine vs zealot fight for too long.
He took his nat somewhat faster than Bisu, but he lost some scvs and had to bring some scvs with his force. His mining also got disrupted by zealots / manner pylons a decent amount of time. The economy was similar tbh.

The situation where terran's starting his factory, when protoss has 2 gates up, on equal economy - that's not good. It naturally leads to protoss grabbing an easy 3rd base, while maintaining a good enough gate-2-factory ratio to stop any push. Or getting a reaver instead of a gateway/extra goons, which is certainly preferable with all the marines.

The reason he could push up was that he managed to grab high ground before the engagement. That's about it.
...going out in the open and trying to shut down the proxy was pretty much overconfidence. If it worked good, he could grab his CC fast and put pressure on Bisu, possibly slowing down the nexus\gaining tech advantage. Instead he got an extra zealot coming out of gateway right in front of marines 2 times, and outmicroed in the open(often at the beginning of a fight in the open the damaged rines went down very quick). His micro back home was good, though.

On April 08 2012 23:57 Mazer wrote:


3) Flash made a mistake with his composition after taking out the cybernetics core but like you said, he was rattled after that ridiculous start and mid game.

On April 08 2012 23:58 reincremate wrote:

Oh yeah. That was also with a proxy in the ace match LOL.

On April 08 2012 23:55 Random_0 wrote:


These are good points. My thoughts:

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4) I would definitely send out Flash over Hoejja, regardless of how well Hoejja was playing. The KT coach said in the end that Flash really wanted to take the challenge of the ACE match map, even though it's clearly P favored (SKT picked the map.)

On April 08 2012 23:55 Random_0 wrote:


These are good points. My thoughts:

1) Bisu's proxy gate at the beginning wasn't intended to kill Flash, but rather to throw him off of the stylized games which Flash has millions of repetitions at. In games that go the "normal" way, Flash has the best mechanics, and the best chance of winning.

2) For microing marines vs. zealots at the beginning of the game, you have to consider that Flash is rattled, probably dealing with nerves on the big stage. In addition, his infrastructure is not where he expects it to be, so microing while macroing is so much harder.

3) Flash did have significant defenses at home: a bunker and three siege tanks set up. This is a great defense against the typical Protoss composition. It's hard to anticipate a speed zealot counter going in that hard that fast, because it just doesn't happen very often in PvT.

4) I would definitely send out Flash over Hoejja, regardless of how well Hoejja was playing. The KT coach said in the end that Flash really wanted to take the challenge of the ACE match map, even though it's clearly P favored (SKT picked the map.)

On April 09 2012 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Where's that Bisu bucket? I guess he was collecting them all

On April 08 2012 23:59 shadymmj wrote:
let's put it this way though, i think bisu's recent wins against flash have come from reverse ramp maps using strategies you could never use on a normal map (neo aztec, woo hoo!)

as for tournaments that use normal maps (like the starleagues, cough), well, no elaboration is needed.

i would say fantasy played better than flash today, and fanta only.

On April 08 2012 23:51 Dante08 wrote:


Bisu opens 1 gate proxy gas steal and Flash responds by 2 rax and defends it pretty well. Flash expected bisu to expand or tech after the 1 gate and hence moved out with marines to pressure. But Bisu already had a plan for that, delayed his tech and expansion and went for 3 gates I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) before teching and expanding. Thats why Flash lost quite a few marines pressuring the proxy as he didnt expect the extra zealots. They both then expand behind it and Bisu steals Flash's gas quite a few times, delaying his tech. Bisu tries to pressure with dragoons up the ramp but is denied and soon after both settle down and Flash pushes out with marine/tank while Bisu gets a third and reaver tech. Flash manages to push into the main and deny mining, destroying the core and other stuff. But Bisu was never that far behind IMO because he had his third running for quite some time and I think in a moment of either genius/desperation, he made a ton of zealots and countered Flash and won him the game. Flash must have been kicking himself for not building vultures.