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[SPL] Grand Final: SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 338
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:53 IntoTheheart wrote: Personally I'd just watch the games for BW, tune out, come back for BW, etc. that's what i plan to do as well, and maybe for boxer and some old timers who switched as well. so take it easy guys. | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:51 Wockets wrote: You have to admit that the map was at least slightly imbalanced for protoss in TvP.... there's a reason why terrans are scared and hence tend to avoid it.. A. Join "Bisu's maps r imba club". B. Don't expect Flash to overcome everything. C. Earn #1 spot during season to CHOOSE ACE map during finals. | ||
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pencil-leads
Singapore404 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:53 SovSov wrote: rip brood war it was a great run! and what better way to go out than with a bang? here's to the end of brood war and to the future of sc2! bw has not ended yet. why the hell are people so excited about bw dying? | ||
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chambertin
United States1704 Posts
IMO the future is not BW vs. SC2 but LoL vs. SC.... Bottom line: maybe sometime in the future (perhaps distant) SC2 could become like this. I believe. It's just crucial that LoL not strangle SC to death... | ||
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:49 Renkaoru wrote: I hate the fact that KT fans cant accept they lost because Fanta and Bisu wiped the stadium floor with their supposedly godlike ace player. Seriously I now hate all of you with my bones. You give little credit where it's due, to HoeJJa, Action and CrazyHydra, without which you wouldn't have stood a chance of even facing SKT in this series. All you do is complain about map imbalance, race imbalance, seed imbalance.. I'm glad the series ended up this way, with your underappreciated KT Zergs taking it to ACE and your god failing to the best multitasker/harasser that ever played this game in the most painfully cheesy way possible. Your tears are just icing in my cake. Congrats to SKT1 and KT for such a great series played. And congrats to SKT1 for getting the championship they deserved. 10/10, bro you got me | ||
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figq
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thanhbao86
Canada199 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:51 Wockets wrote: You have to admit that the map was at least slightly imbalanced for protoss in TvP.... there's a reason why terrans are scared and hence tend to avoid it.. Yah but its a team league with different kind of maps. if its OSl I totally agree on blaming on maps, but as a team if you dont have good options on certain maps then your team is not as strong as the other team in that aspect. If they can exploit it, you deserve to lose. Giving the privilege of picking maps wouldnt KT pick good maps for them ? As I said, if they think the map is total shit for terran that Flash cant even win then why did they send him in the first place. First, its their coach fault dont blame it on the map to lessen the other team victory. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:54 shadymmj wrote: that's what i plan to do as well, and maybe for boxer and some old timers who switched as well. so take it easy guys. Yeah same. BoxeR and NaDa and fOrGG perhaps, that's it. | ||
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:37 Shikyo wrote: Okay, time to be serious now I guess. Flash played awfully that last game. In the early game he had numerous chances to take a significant advantage, then just throws it by letting himself get flanked by Zealots. He might have been able to accumulate a large enough advantage at that point that he could just win with a timing push. Afterwards he makes only tanks and no vultures. I was thinking he would lose it the moment he overcommitted to the place behind bisus base, but Bisu tried to break it instead of counterattacking. However, flash kept doing that, with NO vultures and NO proper defenses at home, and so Bisu was going to win the second he decided to counterattack. Flash couldn't even go for a base race himself after seeing Bisu countering him because he was at a terrible position behind Bisu's base where he couldn't access the actually important parts of Bisus base fast enough to deal any kind of significant damage. Especially the part where he snipes core and then makes a total of 0 vultures against the only unit Bisu could possibly make was just unbelievable. Flash definitely wasn't in form again. I believe that sending out Hoejja would have given KT better chances of victory. These are good points. My thoughts: 1) Bisu's proxy gate at the beginning wasn't intended to kill Flash, but rather to throw him off of the stylized games which Flash has millions of repetitions at. In games that go the "normal" way, Flash has the best mechanics, and the best chance of winning. 2) For microing marines vs. zealots at the beginning of the game, you have to consider that Flash is rattled, probably dealing with nerves on the big stage. In addition, his infrastructure is not where he expects it to be, so microing while macroing is so much harder. 3) Flash did have significant defenses at home: a bunker and three siege tanks set up. This is a great defense against the typical Protoss composition. It's hard to anticipate a speed zealot counter going in that hard that fast, because it just doesn't happen very often in PvT. 4) I would definitely send out Flash over Hoejja, regardless of how well Hoejja was playing. The KT coach said in the end that Flash really wanted to take the challenge of the ACE match map, even though it's clearly P favored (SKT picked the map.) | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9041 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
Seems this is last proleague. A bit of me died today | ||
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chaosTheory_14cc
Canada1270 Posts
Fantasy was amazing today and I love him as a player, definitely one of my favorite terrans. Really happy for him. | ||
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Winechu
Singapore1186 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:55 Garnet wrote: and who is that Park Wan Gyu guy? Apparently a famous rocker! Also famed for being a huge fan of bisu and turning up to his matches regularly | ||
Spica
United States5582 Posts
It's only appropriate that the founding fathers of BW legacies, SKT, also close the ending to this epic tale. KT fought well, but it was not meant to be. The finals this time really delivered, and I feel incredibly lucky to have witnessed them live. What an exciting, roller coaster ride of a series. Hopefully this won't be the final chapter to the grand story of BW, and may there be many more Proleague finals to come! Thanks to Hyde for making the LR thread again, all of our awesome streamers as usual, and to every BW fan for showing their love and support for this game. I always get delighted to see new fans showing their interest in these LR threads! Congratulations to SKT, Proleague champions of 2012!! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eAXVo.jpg) | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia944 Posts
He took his nat somewhat faster than Bisu, but he lost some scvs and had to bring some scvs with his force. His mining also got disrupted by zealots / manner pylons a decent amount of time. The economy was similar tbh. The situation where terran's starting his factory, when protoss has 2 gates up, on equal economy - that's not good. It naturally leads to protoss grabbing an easy 3rd base, while maintaining a good enough gate-2-factory ratio to stop any push. Or getting a reaver instead of a gateway/extra goons, which is certainly preferable with all the marines. The reason he could push up was that he managed to grab high ground before the engagement. That's about it. ...going out in the open and trying to shut down the proxy was pretty much overconfidence. If it worked good, he could grab his CC fast and put pressure on Bisu, possibly slowing down the nexus\gaining tech advantage. Instead he got an extra zealot coming out of gateway right in front of marines 2 times, and outmicroed in the open(often at the beginning of a fight in the open the damaged rines went down very quick). His micro back home was good, though. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:56 Spica wrote: Revenge is so, so sweet. Victory is ours, T1 fans! It's only appropriate that the founding fathers of BW legacies, SKT, also close the ending to this epic tale. KT fought well, but it was not meant to be. The finals this time really delivered, and I feel incredibly lucky to have witnessed them live. What an exciting, roller coaster ride of a series. Hopefully this won't be the final chapter to the grand story of BW, and may there be many more Proleague finals to come! Thanks to Hyde for making the LR thread again, all of our awesome streamers as usual, and to every BW fan for showing their love and support for this game. I always get delighted to see new fans showing their interest in these LR threads! Congratulations to SKT, Proleague champions of 2012!! The clay figures are amazing, who made those? | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:55 Random_0 wrote: These are good points. My thoughts: 1) Bisu's proxy gate at the beginning wasn't intended to kill Flash, but rather to throw him off of the stylized games which Flash has millions of repetitions at. In games that go the "normal" way, Flash has the best mechanics, and the best chance of winning. 2) For microing marines vs. zealots at the beginning of the game, you have to consider that Flash is rattled, probably dealing with nerves on the big stage. In addition, his infrastructure is not where he expects it to be, so microing while macroing is so much harder. 3) Flash did have significant defenses at home: a bunker and three siege tanks set up. This is a great defense against the typical Protoss composition. It's hard to anticipate a speed zealot counter going in that hard that fast, because it just doesn't happen very often in PvT. 4) I would definitely send out Flash over Hoejja, regardless of how well Hoejja was playing. The KT coach said in the end that Flash really wanted to take the challenge of the ACE match map, even though it's clearly P favored (SKT picked the map.) 3) Flash made a mistake with his composition after taking out the cybernetics core but like you said, he was rattled after that ridiculous start and mid game. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
On April 08 2012 23:54 bearbuddy wrote: Fantasy already got one, though, when he destroyed JD in the '08-'09 Proleague finals. Oh yeah. That was also with a proxy in the ace match LOL. | ||
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