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SevenSeven
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)37 Posts
April 08 2012 14:49 GMT
#6701
Flash played awful? Jesus some people apparently haven't gotten cheesed every possible way early game in tvp on a 1v1 reverse ramp map. Proxy gate? Check. Gas steal? Check. Manner pylon? Check. 2 gate continuous zealots? Check. Oh and all of that times F***IING TWO. Wow damn.

I mean it's f***ing amazing that Flash even stablized and went to the mid game. There's so many mental notes the terran have to check off while at the same time microing rines/tanks and macroing in TvP.
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
April 08 2012 14:50 GMT
#6702
On April 08 2012 23:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:45 Winechu wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:44 rabidch wrote:
they gave bisu mvp? what? am i reading this right?

fantasy was the guy who carried skt on his back this season, and if he didnt beat flash in game 2, who knows wouldve happened


Isn't it FINALS mvp? In that case I'd support giving it to bisu too...

HoeJJa. I'm not even a fan of KT but he had so much pressure on him to play well. Sure all of them did but if he lost to BeSt it would've been over for his team.

Also think about how many people underestimate him as well, he had a lot of pressure and pulled through.


Ultimately Bisu's influence over the finals was much greater than Hoejja's, since he won the ace match and the first set

The KT fan in me would like to see Hoejja win it as well, but frankly speaking bisu was the most deserving winner
xXxAPM_NoScoP_420xXx
Profile Joined April 2012
France31 Posts
April 08 2012 14:50 GMT
#6703
I am actually crying. Broodwar has been such a huge part of my life. I been watching when Savior's name was still IPXZerg. Why can't I stop all these tears, they are just flowing out......
5SDSRRRRRR XD TEAM I MAEK ROACHU XD | Supporting: Stephano CrazyMoving Eeel Zenio BBoongBBoong Idra
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
April 08 2012 14:50 GMT
#6704
SKT coach must've told Bisu to just proxy and fuck up Flash's secret build for this map, it makes complete sense if you think about it
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
April 08 2012 14:50 GMT
#6705
Bisu!!!!! Cannot wait to see VOD's... my heart was pumping so much and then i get on sayle's stream and and just as everything fades out while i see Bisu 4:3 Flash !!!! and the screen went dark!!! Oh my gosh!!!
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 08 2012 14:50 GMT
#6706
Oh gawd teary eyes after that nostalgic compilation.

Good bye proleague <3
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6707
On April 08 2012 23:47 GoTuNk! wrote:
did anyone get a goodbye vibe with that video?


Absolutely. It's like a best friend dying.
ATOBTTR
HNOblivion
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil37 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6708
On April 08 2012 23:47 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:45 thanhbao86 wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:41 SkelA wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:35 J1.au wrote:
SK sponsored league, these maps are no coincidence. KT did their best, but the evil ones prevailed.


The thing is 1st place gets to pick the Ace match map over 2nd... just an advantage for being 1st in proleague

Losing team fans always make shit up. It makes the win even more worth it, without anti-fans the win may not taste that great. Haha. Blaming on maps, on this on that, I love it, bring it on KT fans, we will see you again for sure and it will be as epic as this or more. If we lose, we would blame it on the maps too. I love broodwar fans.


He just said 1st place has an advantage because they get to pick. That's objective fact. Calm down


I think 3rd poster was reacting to 1st's fanboyism , he understood well what 2nd one said.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6709
On April 08 2012 23:50 Winechu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:45 Winechu wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:44 rabidch wrote:
they gave bisu mvp? what? am i reading this right?

fantasy was the guy who carried skt on his back this season, and if he didnt beat flash in game 2, who knows wouldve happened


Isn't it FINALS mvp? In that case I'd support giving it to bisu too...

HoeJJa. I'm not even a fan of KT but he had so much pressure on him to play well. Sure all of them did but if he lost to BeSt it would've been over for his team.

Also think about how many people underestimate him as well, he had a lot of pressure and pulled through.


Ultimately Bisu's influence over the finals was much greater than Hoejja's, since he won the ace match and the first set

The KT fan in me would like to see Hoejja win it as well, but frankly speaking bisu was the most deserving winner


Yeah fair enough, that works. KT Zerg must be really pleased admist losing though, if I was coach I'd take 'em out to a really nice dinner for their performance. (I mean the team, not just the 3).
kiss kiss fall in love
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6710
Damn Facebook spoiled the results for me.
always tired -_-
pencil-leads
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore404 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6711
damn why do they make it as if this is the last proleague season...
http://no-more-fairytales.com/scbw
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 14:52:13
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6712
I don't ever post much when it comes to live report threads, and SKT and KT are two of my least favorite teams, but this finals was one of the most amazing things I've ever had the pleasure of watching. I've been following professional BW since 2007 and it is and will always be the best game ever. That montage is tearing me up inside thinking it might come to an end soon. But thank you for all the memories, and what a finish.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6713
On April 08 2012 23:47 beachbeachy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:43 revy wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:39 beachbeachy wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:37 Shikyo wrote:
Okay, time to be serious now I guess.

Flash played awfully that last game. In the early game he had numerous chances to take a significant advantage, then just throws it by letting himself get flanked by Zealots. He might have been able to accumulate a large enough advantage at that point that he could just win with a timing push.

Afterwards he makes only tanks and no vultures. I was thinking he would lose it the moment he overcommitted to the place behind bisus base, but Bisu tried to break it instead of counterattacking. However, flash kept doing that, with NO vultures and NO proper defenses at home, and so Bisu was going to win the second he decided to counterattack. Flash couldn't even go for a base race himself after seeing Bisu countering him because he was at a terrible position behind Bisu's base where he couldn't access the actually important parts of Bisus base fast enough to deal any kind of significant damage.

Especially the part where he snipes core and then makes a total of 0 vultures against the only unit Bisu could possibly make was just unbelievable.

Flash definitely wasn't in form again. I believe that sending out Hoejja would have given KT better chances of victory.


this is such a warped perception it's unreal.

he did take a significant advantage in the early game which is WHY he was able to push out with pure tanks and actually get behind bisu's main. do you think that ever happens when the game is even or protoss is ahead?



He didn't take that large of an advantage in the early game. Flash should have been able to seal the game after the first few micro battles in his main. Every time Flash made great progress against the zealot rush he pushed out into the open and lost far too many marines.

I'm not such a fan of Flash's push location either, that spot behind the base let him siege down 2 tech buildings and that's it. It was a nice defensible position, sure, but he couldn't push anywhere from there. Let alone the fact that you can't reinforce that location, the supply lines are just too long!


they did trade even, with flash maybe slightly ahead, however, there are more variables to account for.

Bisu...
-had no expansion
-had his gateway in the middle of the map
-made zealots. in the early game, making too many will just set you back. because even if you do mass up a whole bunch, they're useless because terran can build up a marine ball or just use vultures and just win.


But by the time Flash actually managed to break the middle proxy Bisu had already taken his 3rd. Flash traded better than even, then pushed out several times to the proxy only to lose his gains. In the end I would say Flash traded mildly better than even on the rush.

Bisu's probe might have actually won him the game with several gas steals+manner pylons.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6714
On April 08 2012 23:50 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Bisu!!!!! Cannot wait to see VOD's... my heart was pumping so much and then i get on sayle's stream and and just as everything fades out while i see Bisu 4:3 Flash !!!! and the screen went dark!!! Oh my gosh!!!


stop reading the thread, you don't want to know anything about that game (in a good way)
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Wockets
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong467 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6715
On April 08 2012 23:45 thanhbao86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:41 SkelA wrote:
On April 08 2012 23:35 J1.au wrote:
SK sponsored league, these maps are no coincidence. KT did their best, but the evil ones prevailed.


The thing is 1st place gets to pick the Ace match map over 2nd... just an advantage for being 1st in proleague

Losing team fans always make shit up. It makes the win even more worth it, without anti-fans the win may not taste that great. Haha. Blaming on maps, on this on that, I love it, bring it on KT fans, we will see you again for sure and it will be as epic as this or more. If we lose, we would blame it on the maps too. I love broodwar fans.


You have to admit that the map was at least slightly imbalanced for protoss in TvP.... there's a reason why terrans are scared and hence tend to avoid it..
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6716
with the 5k viewers on Sayle's stream you have to figure a lot of them are sc2 fans who wouldn't normally have tuned in, unless theres 3k~ people who didn't watch all the other matches this season.

I hope they liked what they saw and the two communities can be a little less hostile now, but maybe that's wishful thinking.

At the very least when the sc2/bw merge comes into proleague they might watch and enjoy the bw games, that's good enough for me I guess.
thanhbao86
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada199 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6717
On April 08 2012 23:49 Renkaoru wrote:
I hate the fact that KT fans cant accept they lost because Fanta and Bisu wiped the stadium floor with their supposedly godlike ace player. Seriously I now hate all of you with my bones. You give little credit where it's due, to HoeJJa, Action and CrazyHydra, without which you wouldn't have stood a chance of even facing SKT in this series. All you do is complain about map imbalance, race imbalance, seed imbalance.. I'm glad the series ended up this way, with your underappreciated KT Zergs taking it to ACE and your god failing to the best multitasker/harasser that ever played this game in the most painfully cheesy way possible. Your tears are just icing in my cake.

Congrats to SKT1 and KT for such a great series played. And congrats to the SKT1 for getting the championship they deserved.

Ppl complain about SKT/Bisu fans all the time too since there are too many of us. People get salty all the time. Its ok, in fact it makes it even better.
Fat Dragoon
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4148 Posts
April 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#6718
On April 08 2012 23:36 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2012 23:34 chambertin wrote:
Can someone who actually understands this game write a quick explanation of that last game... just a few sentences.. I'm really curious since I havent seen that much broodwar and the the first set of games were quite accessible. That last game I don't even...

LAST GAME WRITE-UP please gogo LITTLE SYNOPSIS


In TvP, the T only wants to make a very small handful of marines because it's mech that can really fight toss armies. Bisu not only delayed Flash's gas incredibly but he also forced Flash into tank/marine, which is not optimal against protoss in anyway


Bisu opens 1 gate proxy gas steal and Flash responds by 2 rax and defends it pretty well. Flash expected bisu to expand or tech after the 1 gate and hence moved out with marines to pressure. But Bisu already had a plan for that, delayed his tech and expansion and went for 3 gates I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) before teching and expanding. Thats why Flash lost quite a few marines pressuring the proxy as he didnt expect the extra zealots. They both then expand behind it and Bisu steals Flash's gas quite a few times, delaying his tech. Bisu tries to pressure with dragoons up the ramp but is denied and soon after both settle down and Flash pushes out with marine/tank while Bisu gets a third and reaver tech. Flash manages to push into the main and deny mining, destroying the core and other stuff. But Bisu was never that far behind IMO because he had his third running for quite some time and I think in a moment of either genius/desperation, he made a ton of zealots and countered Flash and won him the game. Flash must have been kicking himself for not building vultures.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45727 Posts
April 08 2012 14:52 GMT
#6719
Flash lost twice and Bisu > Flash in the finals...

"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 08 2012 14:52 GMT
#6720
Fantasy's parents:

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