On January 10 2012 21:08 Scarecrow wrote: Team 8 needs to sack its coach.
Ju or Han? Also, I don't agree. The players have to realize something for themselves, it won't matter who's coaching, and Ju/Han are probably better than many alternatives.
From what's been said, Ju's a legend. The essential's of coaching can't have changed since he was last around. I wonder what's going on at T8. I hope this start simply makes the coming of the dawn the brighter.
Didn't flash mentionned in an interview before his surgery that he had troubles playing because his wrist hurted too much ? Like now without the pain, there's just no way he can lose anymore no ?
On January 10 2012 21:08 Scarecrow wrote: Team 8 needs to sack its coach.
Ju or Han? Also, I don't agree. The players have to realize something for themselves, it won't matter who's coaching, and Ju/Han are probably better than many alternatives.
From what's been said, Ju's a legend. The essential's of coaching can't have changed since he was last around. I wonder what's going on at T8. I hope this start simply makes the coming of the dawn the brighter.
just because a coach was a legend doesn't mean they are still good. there's a reason why skt sacked him back in 08 and bought in coach park and new staff. his time was clearly done.
adding to that, he has like minimal game knowledge. doesn't help the rest of their coaching staff only consists of one coach (hwaseung's old coach).
On January 10 2012 21:07 Fionn wrote: It's okay T8, you still have the honor of being the only team to beat Stats or Flash this year.
But it was also the only win for Sea this season.
I know, right? If Sea hadn't beaten Stats, his win rate in the current proleague against protoss would be be 0%. Right now, it is about 14% (1 out of 7). I guess that is something to feel good about.
On January 10 2012 21:13 Boonbag wrote: Didn't flash mentionned in an interview before his surgery that he had troubles playing because his wrist hurted too much ? Like now without the pain, there's just no way he can lose anymore no ?
I think Flash definitely started modifying his strategies to accommodate his pain near the end. He was starting to fall back into the pattern of turtling early and counting on lategame management to win his games. A lot of people probably didn't notice because that's kind of the impression people have of standard Flash play, but God-mode Flash achieved that status by mixing in tons of early-game pressure and deadly timing attacks, and we're starting to see that again now that his arm is better.
On January 10 2012 21:07 Fionn wrote: It's okay T8, you still have the honor of being the only team to beat Stats or Flash this year.
But it was also the only win for Sea this season.
I know, right? If Sea hadn't beaten Stats, his win rate in the current proleague against protoss would be be 0%. Right now, it is about 14% (1 out of 7). I guess that is something to feel good about.
On January 10 2012 21:13 Boonbag wrote: Didn't flash mentionned in an interview before his surgery that he had troubles playing because his wrist hurted too much ? Like now without the pain, there's just no way he can lose anymore no ?
I think Flash definitely started modifying his strategies to accommodate his pain near the end. He was starting to fall back into the pattern of turtling early and counting on lategame management to win his games. A lot of people probably didn't notice because that's kind of the impression people have of standard Flash play, but God-mode Flash achieved that status by mixing in tons of early-game pressure and deadly timing attacks, and we're starting to see that again now that his arm is better.
Yeah, Flash's rise to #1 coincided with him developing that lethal early-game killer instinct. I don't see how anybody can say that Flash's recent play is abnormal.
On January 10 2012 21:08 Scarecrow wrote: Team 8 needs to sack its coach.
Ju or Han? Also, I don't agree. The players have to realize something for themselves, it won't matter who's coaching, and Ju/Han are probably better than many alternatives.
I agree. People need to keep in mind that it's totally standard and expected for players switching teams to slump horribly for a few months. Every player on T8 switched teams to get there, and on top of that they have a small coaching staff, limited access to practice partners, and a roster that's pretty ill-suited to this season's maps. They need more time to settle in, not another big change in the form of a panicked coach replacement.
I wouldn't be opposed to Kespa bringing in a third coach both to work with players day-to-day and to be ready in the wings as a potential replacement if Ju Hoon can't make things work, though.
On January 10 2012 21:08 Scarecrow wrote: Team 8 needs to sack its coach.
Ju or Han? Also, I don't agree. The players have to realize something for themselves, it won't matter who's coaching, and Ju/Han are probably better than many alternatives.
From what's been said, Ju's a legend. The essential's of coaching can't have changed since he was last around. I wonder what's going on at T8. I hope this start simply makes the coming of the dawn the brighter.
He was a legend, I don't know if it's helping T8 now though, times do change. I feel like a coach needs to be in tune with their players, needs to know them inside out. Maybe he needs more time (they don't have that much time). But even then, they don't really have the support they need, they only have some support I feel. Other teams have dedicated staff to coach their players, and analyze things for them, T8 doesn't have that, it's all dependent on the players and the two coaches I think.
Something is definitely rotten at the T8 house, it's fucking heartbreaking, more so then SKT losing GF last year, and that's saying a lot for me.
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